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VOR Leg 2 Lisbon to Cape Town

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11 minutes ago, euro said:

Stief, might have been posted before but where can we find the pos report spreadsheets.  You have a link?

Thanks

 

5 minutes ago, Chasm said:

"Not for internal use." :)

Position reports. Those are subscribtion based, you can get them and a whole bunch of other stuff here. [I didn't.]

Thanks. I was trying to find that page (not easy). Od login from a few years ago still worked this time, and the Terms allowed editorial use. Looked for anything about posting in the forums, and it seemed OK (IIRC, media login OK'd blogs) .

As long as I avoided plagiarism and credited them, I figured it was OK (I am not a lawyer), since they had plenty of chances to ask us not to repost their stuff. 

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On 11/9/2017 at 9:01 AM, southerncross said:

I'm looking at Macif's crossing almost 32W who is ahead of them so not completely reliable but a benchmark.  At 32W Macif is hitting some light air.

That was 2 days ago, Macif has now taken off, and can't go any further West:

http://www.macifcourseaularge.com/cartographie

Worth watching!

 

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6 minutes ago, Fiji Flaky said:

That was 2 days ago, Macif has now taken off, and can't go any further West:

Finally crossed at 33.  Slow going.  Awesome boat.

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Watching the VOR RAW show it seems that the teams with preparation time are up front so far.
Both time as a team and time on the boat (and OD in general). Who would have thought that. :) 

 

The position reports subscription is linked a the bottom of the dashboard. Not that obvious since there are so many trackers and addicts are likely on the raw page.
Hmm, do I have an old VOR account or was that BWR. :unsure: 

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Routing update

New routing for DFRT 1900 UTC to CT, arrival still at the 23rd in the afternoon. GFS forecast goes now almost up to CT, but still at bit of climate plugin.

I noted relative high boats speeds (mid twenties) in the last week before CT, which is explained by a couple of LP and HP zones playing together in a good way. So the last 2.500 nm is projected to have 4-6 BFT, (mostly 6 reaching) from 30 S to CT.

The former island waypoint could be visited up to 107 nm according to the projections. 

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5 minutes ago, Herman said:

The former island waypoint could be visited up to 107 nm according to the projections. 

Ha ha.  After all that.

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Indeed SC.

3/3 Forgot the Aviation color enhanced IR from the GOES satellite as overlay on the latest routing projection.

Green is high and active.

 

GOES AVN and routing dolldrums compressed.jpg

Legenda AVN colours GOES satellite.png

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0100 sked
Mapfre and Vestas slightly gaining on DF ~0.6nm. Akzo and Brunel loosing a bit more ~3nm. Wiity loosing the most ~20nm and TTT loosing not quite as much ~10nm.
Question is of course where the waypoint is now. =) Maybe something to display.

Go Dee.

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10 minutes ago, Chasm said:

Question is of course where the waypoint is now. =) Maybe something to display.

Yeah, Yann did display the waypoint in the VG, IIRC. Waypoint still "Doldrums gate" (from the spreadsheet). Pretty much straight ahead, based on VMG

[edit: forgot waypoint]

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Team At position
24h run Waypoint
Dongfeng Race Team 413.5 nm Doldrums gate
MAPFRE 405.9 nm Doldrums gate
Vestas 11th Hour Racing 404.7 nm Doldrums gate
Team AkzoNobel 398.0 nm Doldrums gate
Team Brunel 398.4 nm Doldrums gate
Team Sun Hung Kai / Scallywag 364.1 nm Doldrums gate
Turn The Tide on Plastic 359.8 nm Doldrums gate

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22 minutes ago, Chasm said:

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Mapfre and Vestas slightly gaining on DF ~0.6nm.

Not really. Mapfre and Vestas seem to have gained because of the waypoint being usedbut DF has managed to sneak lower than them. If you actually measure the distance between the boats, they have either stayed the same or maybe pulled out 0.2nm. Looking at the 24 hour run, DF has been going the best and used the wind speed/direction to soak low while holding the distance back to the fleet. 

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[Thread drift, while we await a word from our sponsors.]

Hmmm.   It's already Remembrance Day, national holiday here.  Thinking back to 100 years ago. Off to check other counties' traditions.

[end drift]

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Just now, Alinghi4ever said:

Given what we saw at the beginning of the Leg I'll give MAPFRE a slight reaching Advantage when the Fleet has to cross the South Atlantic on their way to Cape Town. If DF has still a lead around 15 nm that will be eaten up in no time.

Again, you are mistaken. You need to learn how to read the data. Look at the distance sailed. As said many times, some of the differences have been due to different wind strengths, some due to different sea conditions and some because boats have been prepared to sail faster but over longer distances to position themselves. I have not seen a single bit of evidence that says that Mapfre has any speed advantage. With the course that has been sailed over the last 48 hours or so, if they had an advantage, they would be in the lead by now. Instead, we have seen DF slowly but surely pull out a very small amount and the 24 hour runs confirm it. Because of so many potential factors, it is hard to call, but if anything, there is evidence that DF is the fastest reaching. What i believe the data shows pretty clearly is that they are no slower than the others.

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17 minutes ago, Team_GBR said:

What i believe the data shows pretty clearly is that they are no slower than the others.

What is pretty clear there is only a bees dick difference in BS between the top 4. The differences between them to date have been in the number of mistakes or opportunities lost.

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And rather a relief to be able to focus on the sailors, not the boats. Not often we get to see what top ocean sailors can do when competing in OD.

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Worth a read and sure to be referenced when gender issues on a boat are mentioned.

And 'beat the fuckers" is golden

 

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57 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

What is pretty clear there is only a bees dick difference in BS between the top 4. The differences between them to date have been in the number of mistakes or opportunities lost.

And even crews with boat speed diff aren't out of attacking distance - even after they've made enough distance south to turn east, some models are forecasting high pressure transitions between the chilly trades and northwesterlies. Looks like every 4-5 days we'll see trickly weather for boats looking to sail home to Cape Town.

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12 hours ago, Miffy said:

Not sure Jack. I don't think there's a need to switch gears when there are already multiple power ratios available and teams can work the pedestal or winch handle.

Thanks Mif. Probably a bit far fetched to think that they would switch gearing to get more line speed happening on the approach, through and other side of the ITCZ.

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Reading Dee's description - and thinking back of Liz's previous failed efforts to get a VG campaign going - sigh. Feel bad for her. She's got the boat know how to go alone - never could get the sponsors lined up.

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latest update says mapfre has closed 5.4nm to only 6.9nm behind DF, but they are actually separated by the best part of 12nm, so no real change.The interesting thing is that 11 hours ago, they were both on the same longitude but now DF have worked their way about 6nm west. I don't know if it was by design or just the conditions, but it seems that DF has been going lower and only a little bit slower to maintain the same gap. DF have made a slight turn through south towards SSW and the others are beginning to do the same.

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8 hours ago, stief said:

Yeah, Yann did display the waypoint in the VG, IIRC. Waypoint still "Doldrums gate" (from the spreadsheet). Pretty much straight ahead, based on VMG

[edit: forgot waypoint]

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RC changed the virtual waypoint on the 10th, but no lat/lon given AFAIK.

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4 hours ago, Team_GBR said:

latest update says mapfre has closed 5.4nm to only 6.9nm behind DF, but they are actually separated by the best part of 12nm, so no real change.The interesting thing is that 11 hours ago, they were both on the same longitude but now DF have worked their way about 6nm west. I don't know if it was by design or just the conditions, but it seems that DF has been going lower and only a little bit slower to maintain the same gap. DF have made a slight turn through south towards SSW and the others are beginning to do the same.

SSW is consistent with the routing I did earlier, see post

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58 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Wrong, reaching downwind is different than reaching from east to west or as we will see later in this Leg from west to east.

I don't trust the Numbers you are providing.

WTF?  I have refrained from commenting on the last few weeks of silliness.  But seriously, these words makes no sense.  They sound like the mutterings of someone who has read a couple of fictional books involving sailing and is regurgitating odd words that they they think have something to do with the subject, but don't understand enough to put the words into a sentence in a manner that has meaning. Your average kid learning to sail will know more than to utter such nonsense after their second one hour lesson.

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1 hour ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Wrong, reaching downwind is different than reaching from east to west or as we will see later in this Leg from west to east.

I don't trust the Numbers you are providing.

WTF are you drivelling on about here?? 

Are you aware of apparent wind angle? 

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2 hours ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Wrong, reaching downwind is different than reaching from east to west or as we will see later in this Leg from west to east.

I'm going to frame that.

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17 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

I for my part think that America's Cup Sailors are vastly overrated in a VOR 65 Boat. There is a reason behind it that no Professional Sailor thus far managed to win the Triple (Olympic Gold, AC and VOR)

Didn't John Kostecki get all three save for an Olympic Silver? I'm on ignore so he doesn't see this. 

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3 hours ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Wrong, reaching downwind is different than reaching from east to west or as we will see later in this Leg from west to east.

I don't trust the Numbers you are providing.

Please define reaching and how that might differ depending on which direction you might be sailing in......................................................................................

I'm coming to the conclusion that you make such inane statements on purpose and actually you know far more than you portray. My logic being that in order to be so stupid you must in fact possess genuine and accurate knowledge.

Whilst the rest of us are confounded by your idiocy you are in fact laughing at us..............

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18 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

Just discovered where he's got all that from :lol:

Icon of the thread award.

Wife and I still laughing. Gotta love British humour.

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29 minutes ago, stief said:

Potter, thanks for the text tips yesterday. Best places to watch for more text from Dee/ TTOP? 

One of the issues with so much stuff coming off is finding it. The text seems to go to the VOR Blog, but cannot be shared easily. 

That's why TTTOP put the text up as a picture. Annoying really. 

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Very happy to see Team Brunel has find its mojo again, slowly but steadily making progress on the front runners. This leg is not over yet, will be quite a race after the doldrums. 

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3 hours ago, Francis Vaughan said:

.......They sound like the mutterings of someone who has read a couple of fictional books involving sailing and is regurgitating odd words that they they think have something to do with the subject, but don't understand enough to put the words into a sentence in a manner that has meaning......

...why be so complimentary? <_< 

2 hours ago, LionessRacing said:

Fanboys are often tediously monotonous. 

"Alinghi forever"... Lets think about that for a minute.    By claiming such a name,, clearly blind to everything but an unrealistic , in fact completely doomed impossibility., fanboy ignores the fact that Ilingi, indeed his own live is nothing more than a tiny millisecond in a multidimensional cosmos,, well beyond space,, well beyond time.   :mellow:

1 hour ago, Laser1 said:

Just discovered where he's got all that from :lol:

 

...probably a valuable resource for team Alinquist all through. :mellow: 

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Didn't John Kostecki get all three save for an Olympic Silver?  

 

44 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Kostecki didn't get Olmypic Gold just Silver

You really are the dumbest cunt on earth

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Just now, Alinghi4ever said:

VOR Chief Meteorologist & Race Expert Gonzalo Infante explains how one big cloud can play tricks and messing around with you

Luckily it appears DF, MAPFRE and Vestas escaped the worst of it.

As someone I think yesterday said there is waaay too much luck involved now. Imagine this happens at night. You could be stuck for hours under a cloud like that and in darkness you can't really see what's happening so you have to rely on your Navman.

Oh, this should not matter, as the wind conditions are all the same over a strip of at least 12nm.

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4 hours ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Wrong, reaching downwind is different than reaching from east to west or as we will see later in this Leg from west to east.

 

1 hour ago, rogerfal said:

I'm coming to the conclusion that you make such inane statements on purpose and actually you know far more than you portray.

Rog were you in a horrific train smash today?

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28 minutes ago, Potter said:

One of the issues with so much stuff coming off is finding it. The text seems to go to the VOR Blog, but cannot be shared easily. 

That's why TTTOP put the text up as a picture. Annoying really. 

Agree about the finding issue. TTOP text-pic annoying, but creative way to get onto the successful Raw Content page.

--Will revisit the VOR  Blog (without search,  least successful new feed). 

--content found elsewhere, Team retweets work well enough so far.

--VOR Team pages list feeds, need to revisit too.

Cheers.

now back to our regularly scheduled bashing. So ludicrous it's becoming entertaining.

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Alinghi, please start your own thread for posting. That way you can get a "viewed" count to show your people back home.

Thanks. 

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Just now, couchsurfer said:

...hellew,, is there a boat somwhere under me!? :mellow:

that's actually  a bidet

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8 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

No and you have just made it to my ignore list. It's sad because I actually like you.

Can you please put me back on your ignore list. Before you go, do you let Theodore trim the main?

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2 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

For us girls hereabouts: Boat Porn

All by Jeremie Lecaudey/Volvo Ocean Race

noticed there's more beefcake shots than ever. OBR's are risking dump shots; Cringing in case they try sunrise/ morning wood rise.

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Thank you Rennmaus, I too noticed the increase in nudity in the pictures, not bad, not bad at all! 

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DFRT not in stealth mode.

"Their" actually means TTOP, I think. Even Dee was puzzled

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As Dongfeng lead into the doldrums by playing their stealth card they are limiting the information the others have in the area. It is always good to see if the boat ahead is slowing down. So while it might not be about hiding their manoeuvres, it may be about not giving other teams a better or earlier escape route.

from Libby's analysis of the race so far on her B&G blog

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17 minutes ago, schakel488 said:

Where do you find that?

Twitter post by the race experts. I would really like him to explain what it means. As such it is meaningless.

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13 minutes ago, Marty6 said:

Twitter post by the race experts. I would really like him to explain what it means. As such it is meaningless.

Like that the leaders of the fleet are heading into light winds?

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2 minutes ago, schakel488 said:

Like that the leaders of the fleet are heading into light winds?

That's exactly my point. Unless we know what it means it's useless. Heading into light wind in the future, are already in light wind, what is the threshold ...????

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2 minutes ago, Marty6 said:

That's exactly my point. Unless we know what it means it's useless. Heading into light wind in the future, are already in light wind, what is the threshold ...????

Ask them on twitter,
Less then 4 knots velocity over ground  is my guess.

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22 minutes ago, couchsurfer said:

Chippendales Race Team.  

...nttawwt.  :mellow:

 

When do we see pictures of Carolijn Brouwer , and Martine Grael, Jena May Hansen?
My favourites.
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Martine Grael
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Jena Mai Hansen
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37 minutes ago, schakel488 said:

Ask them on twitter,
Less then 4 knots velocity over ground  is my guess.

On Twitter they say that the alarm goes on if the wind is less than 10kts. 

Obviously it's not very meaningful unless you know the context

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1 minute ago, jonas a said:

On Twitter they say that the alarm goes on if the wind is less than 10kts. 

Stupid Twitter doesn't give the thread content.
But thanks for asking and telling us.

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1 hour ago, schakel488 said:

When do we see pictures of Carolijn Brouwer , and Martine Grael, Jena May Hansen?
My favourites.
 

...likely when hell freezes over.

Get a grip buddy.   That's as close as you'll get. :mellow:

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