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6 minutes ago, mad said:

Not always and not for a long time. 

In the case of a sudden rupture, you are in serious trouble. 

Sudden rupture from trauma? Granted I'm not a MD, but the offshore courses always talk about dull onset pain that progressively gets worse with possible fever. Alex thought he caught a stomach bug eating fine food in Barcelona, talked to event doctor and got sent to the hospital - think he rejoined the boat later in CV. 

If someone really starts having issues offshore, all you can do is stall and hope they hold out long enough to get into port or within airlift limits. 

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A growing concern in this Edition has been for inflamed prostrates and high cholesterol.

Now **that's** funny and probably true!

Not really sure how prevalent acute appendicitis is with off-shore races... we tend to hear about them as they can be pretty newsworthy ( like removing your own), but I suspect a far more dangerous scenario, as hinted , is trauma, with , for example a ruptured spleen or a ruptured bowel. Should this happen at point Nemo, I suspect that there would be a really good chance of dying.

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25 minutes ago, mad said:

Not always and not for a long time. 

In the case of a sudden rupture, you are in serious trouble. 

Hi Mad, 

You are quite right. Appendicitis requires an operation to remove the appendix, however if at sea and unable to have an operation then antibiotics MAY help it to "wall" off and form an abscess. The patient still requires urgent transfer off the boat. 

The appendix is a small blind end tube, which may become blocked and infected = appendicitis. If it perforates the infection may spread throughout the abdomen. This requires urgent specialist treatment

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25 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Sudden rupture from trauma? Granted I'm not a MD, but the offshore courses always talk about dull onset pain that progressively gets worse with possible fever. Alex thought he caught a stomach bug eating fine food in Barcelona, talked to event doctor and got sent to the hospital - think he rejoined the boat later in CV. 

If someone really starts having issues offshore, all you can do is stall and hope they hold out long enough to get into port or within airlift limits. 

I’ve seen sudden onset from grumbling appendix to rupture in less than 72 hours more than once.

I’d rather have mine removed before the event, than plan on hopefully stalling it! 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, dr_dave said:

Hi Mad, 

You are quite right. Appendicitis requires an operation to remove the appendix, however if at sea and unable to have an operation then antibiotics MAY help it to "wall" off and form an abscess. The patient still requires urgent transfer off the boat. 

The appendix is a small blind end tube, which may become blocked and infected = appendicitis. If it perforates the infection may spread throughout the abdomen. This requires urgent specialist treatment

Dave

Thanks Doc, that’s what I’ve been talking about. 

The idea of bouncing a patient around on one of those boats in 30 knots of breeze is far from appealing.

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35 minutes ago, mad said:

Thanks Doc, that’s what I’ve been talking about. 

The idea of bouncing a patient around on one of those boats in 30 knots of breeze is far from appealing.

....it'd make for some exiting footage though   :mellow:

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My appendix went from asymptomatic to being incapacitated by pain in under 12 hours.  Glad I wasn't offshore, let alone in the southern ocean, and glad it's gone.

More thread drift:  Gabart / MACIF is banging 700+ days and it's a great way to look ahead at the southern ocean weather.  Check the thread..  Drift off.

Witty reaching up towards Dee.

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For the naviguessers amongst us, outcome validity check alert with the ETA dates.

 

 

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So many things can go wrong when from from land.  It's one thing when surrounded by teammates.  Another when alone.

I'm always reminded of the time during the '98 - '99 Around Alone when Victor Yazykov had to perform surgery on his abscessed elbow at night, in a gale, a 1000 miles from Cape Town in the Southern Ocean.  He made an incision with a scalpel, lancing the elbow to the bone so that all the puss and blood would evacuate.  Apparently he almost bled to death from all the aspirin he had consumed for the pain.  

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14 minutes ago, Kenny Dumas said:

My appendix went from asymptomatic to being incapacitated by pain in under 12 hours.  Glad I wasn't offshore, let alone in the southern ocean, and glad it's gone.

More thread drift:  Gabart / MACIF is banging 700+ days and it's a great way to look ahead at the southern ocean weather.  Check the thread..  Drift off.

Witty reaching up towards Dee.

And Gitana lost both foils.

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1 hour ago, southerncross said:

A growing concern in this Edition has been for inflamed prostrates and high cholesterol.

LOL, exactly, a bunch of geriatrics, methinks. And uh, 1 free exam per leg...

And what about high blood pressure, gastritis from freeze dried, and a heart attack. Does any boat carry a defibrillator ?

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4 minutes ago, Fiji Flaky said:

gastritis from freeze dried, and a heart attack

That is very funny as well and well within the realm of possibility.  I think all the boats carry a defibrillator.

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The ETA's suggest that they will be arriving 2-3 days ahead of the original anticipated arrival date of the 27th. Quick passage through the doldrums and pretty favourable conditions are making for a swift leg.

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Leg 02, Lisbon to Cape Town, day 9, on board AkzoNobel. Emily Nagel- the youngest female sailor in the volvo on the eve of her first equator crossing.

Photo by James Blake/Volvo Ocean Race. 13 November, 2017.

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2 hours ago, couchsurfer said:

...okayyy,, what's that detail of..''one skipper made his team remove their appendix before the race''!!??  :o

....2:30 in the short video.

...a bit of bluster by VO?    ...did this actually happen?    and whythefack?..whodafack!??

 

2 hours ago, stief said:

Yeah, first I heard of it too. On my to-hunt list. I'm still trying to found out who wrote the script, because damn! it's impressive. 

Fish Tale, I bet. 

Remember reading about a Frenchman doing that to get on the crew, not the whole crew. Will go to the library and see if I can find the book, and report back on this fishy story.

 

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A lull in the thread until the next update I guess. Meanwhile I googled "whitbread appendix" and found only this funny story (sorry, cannot copy/paste the text and can't get the size any smaller). It may give a clue, and I will go looking for any Flyer books around here.

https://books.google.com.fj/books?id=e0KqCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false

5a0a3324d4852_whitbreadappendix22.jpg.a2b2a84fbf2a9cad83f3e6edfa821a42.jpg

 

 

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I think it would be more interesting if they didn't allow routing software. We have the 5 lead boats in sight of each other after 9 days. Their tracks span about 2 miles wide from the most easterly to the most westerly. There is no leverage or strategic thinking involved at all. Just sailors taking their orders from their computers....boring

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Might as well remove the GPS receivers and all weather downloads and let them flail about at random, like a bunch of kids at a piñata. After all if backstaffs and a lodestone were good enough for Columbus, and Rimas can make it without resorting to any of that shit why not. 

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8 minutes ago, Dog said:

I think it would be more interesting if they didn't allow routing software. We have the 5 lead boats in sight of each other after 9 days. Their tracks span about 2 miles wide from the most easterly to the most westerly. There is no leverage or strategic thinking involved at all. Just sailors taking their orders from their computers....boring

This is not the event you are looking for!

However, this is: http://goldengloberace.com/

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11 minutes ago, Dog said:

I think it would be more interesting if they didn't allow routing software. We have the 5 lead boats in sight of each other after 9 days. Their tracks span about 2 miles wide from the most easterly to the most westerly. There is no leverage or strategic thinking involved at all. Just sailors taking their orders from their computers....boring

Interesting point and one which merits discussion......

Expect somebody has or could write a thesis on this one........ Who mentioned the meaning of life the other day?

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13 minutes ago, Dog said:

I think it would be more interesting if they didn't allow routing software. We have the 5 lead boats in sight of each other after 9 days. Their tracks span about 2 miles wide from the most easterly to the most westerly. There is no leverage or strategic thinking involved at all. Just sailors taking their orders from their computers....boring

NO SHIT!  It is a bizarre situation where super close racing is boring as all fuck.  It would be different if the boats were different, or if the  boats were entirely doing their own routing on-board without computers, but as-is, it is the epitome of sterile "racing" with identical kind-of-boring boats sailing identical routes at identical speed.....  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The Volvo used to be sooo much more fun to follow in the days of Pirates, ABN, Telefonica, etc., Ericsson,...

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Something to note.  This thread was dead for hours until Dog posted.   Even the Race Experts fell asleep I think.

Have to admit, the drag races are a little dull to follow.  The only consolation is the Raw Content in which we are reminded of how grueling this close racing really is.

There's a chance further down for the trailing boats to make a move but they may only close the distance at best.  A flyer to work would require the clairvoyance of deity or some stupendous amount of god gifted luck.

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7 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Something to note.  This thread was dead for hours until Dog posted.   Even the Race Experts fell asleep I think.

Have to admit, the drag races are a little dull to follow.  The only consolation is the Raw Content in which we are reminded of how grueling this close racing really is.

There's a chance further down for the trailing boats to make a move but they may only close the distance at best.  A flyer to work would require the clairvoyance of deity or some stupendous amount of god gifted luck.

What's funny, as a guy that used to follow the Volvo as much as anyone, I have completely lost interest and had NO IDEA of what was going on in this leg, but I starting thinking about it today and would have bet my house that when I pulled it up, I would see 5 boats within 20 miles and on identical tracts.... and guess what.....?  The lack of variety between the boats and the tech for weather routing has resulted in no boats having an advantage in different conditions, and therefore, totally identical tracts and no one taking flyers or doing anything to mix it up.  It is just too damned predictable as to how the racing goes down, just replace the livery of one leader for another and you are there.  Yeah, it has to be nerve wracking and exhausting for the crews to try and eek out that nth degree of advantage 24/7, somehow, but unless you are on-board, it just looks like a train on a track with human interest stories crammed into it to try and make it more interesting to follow.

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I see Gabart is hitting 37knts.

In all fairness. The Ist Leg was a good race and this Leg up to leaving the doldrums has been good as well.  The SO should shake things up a bit as it's the first time down there in this Race.  It's a much better race than the last edition in many ways.

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The Class 40s and IMOCA 60s in the current TJV  are probably good examples of box rule boats of different vintages with nav software. It's similarly mostly pretty stable in the order except the gaps are bigger. Somehow though, when it is close at the front, like in the 40s right now and the boats are different there is the possibility changes might happen and that seems more exciting. The VOR boats can be .5nm apart and you still don't see one overhauling the other.

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7 minutes ago, Foiling Optimist said:

The Class 40s and IMOCA 60s in the current TJV  are probably good examples of box rule boats of different vintages with nav software. It's similarly mostly pretty stable in the order except the gaps are bigger. Somehow though, when it is close at the front, like in the 40s right now and the boats are different there is the possibility changes might happen and that seems more exciting. The VOR boats can be .5nm apart and you still don't see one overhauling the other.

Yep.  When some boats are optimized for lighter air, heavier air, or different wind angles, then as a spectator you feel that a lead is far less safe as conditions change, you postulate a boat should take a flyer, etc.... Where in the Volvo race, you just don't have that.  Like I said, it's not just the navigation/routing, but rather the combination of strict OD & the nav/routing that kills the spice.

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42 minutes ago, southerncross said:

In all fairness. The Ist Leg was a good race and this Leg up to leaving the doldrums has been good as well.  The SO should shake things up a bit as it's the first time down there in this Race.  It's a much better race than the last edition in many ways.

Agree-

My thought is of all the issues that people complain about for the VOR- The boats, AIS, one design, etc. I have to agree that one thing that could be changed would be to take the routing software out ot the equation. Everything else has a cost or safety implication and is likely not happening.

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Just now, Slark said:

Agree-

My thought is of all the issues that people complain about for the VOR- The boats, AIS, one design, etc. I have to agree that one thing that could be changed would be to take the routing software out ot the equation. Everything else has a cost or safety implication and is likely not happening.

It's not like the fleet is so much bigger than it was when the boats weren't OD.  The cost savings of the OD can be made up for by more public interest & sponsorship $$$. 

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1 minute ago, southerncross said:

Geez, one little drag race and all hell breaks loose.

We'll see if it is just one.  My guess is this will be the norm of the Volvo as long as they have it set up as strict OD.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

I think it would be more interesting if they didn't allow routing software. We have the 5 lead boats in sight of each other after 9 days. Their tracks span about 2 miles wide from the most easterly to the most westerly. There is no leverage or strategic thinking involved at all. Just sailors taking their orders from their computers....boring

I would suggest they'd be sticking even closer to each other without routing s/w.

Routing may provide an optimal track, but you still need to interpret it - optimal might be high risk compared to a 2% slower route - which do you take? (just one  example).

The navs would be having deep debates with the strategists at all times.  You'd have the nav wanting to go one way for better route, with the strategist insisting they need to cover; the result would be just ensuring you're on 'that side' of the fleet within striking distance if things go pear shaped.

They're sticking close together precisely because separation from the fleet is risky.

I'm sort of surprised no-one managed to get a break from the pack in the doldrums, though. 

 

Wait till they get some bad weather, where mistakes and breakages will be costly, and driving at the edge consistently will make gains.

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2 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

I'm sort of surprised no-one managed to get a break from the pack in the doldrums, though

The doldrums never materialized.  Fast passage.

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3 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

Wait till they get some bad weather, where mistakes and breakages will be costly, and driving at the edge consistently will make gains.

If the rest of the Race is anything like the first Leg, it will definitely be a race of attrition including broken bodies.

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Lots of cool stuff and never a dull moment. 

The hottest and most exciting yacht racing is done in close proximity of each other.

What is simply missing now is MORE competitors !

Anyway, wait till they hit the Southern Ocean proper, then we have a real race again.

And carnage...

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50 minutes ago, GauchoGreg said:

We'll see if it is just one.  My guess is this will be the norm of the Volvo as long as they have it set up as strict OD.

I don't remember the last Volvo being criticised for being non stop drag racing with no excitement and that used the same OD boats. This is simply the combination of a very straight forward doldrums and a one way race track. There aren't exactly a lot of options so even if the boats weren't OD, what we would be seeing is a drag race but instead of it being a close drag race, we would see gaps opening with the potential for the rich to get richer and the poor to drop right of the back of the pack. It might seem boring now, but the closeness will allow for some excitement as they get near cape Town.

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1 minute ago, Team_GBR said:

I don't remember the last Volvo being criticised for being non stop drag racing with no excitement and that used the same OD boats. This is simply the combination of a very straight forward doldrums and a one way race track. There aren't exactly a lot of options so even if the boats weren't OD, what we would be seeing is a drag race but instead of it being a close drag race, we would see gaps opening with the potential for the rich to get richer and the poor to drop right of the back of the pack. It might seem boring now, but the closeness will allow for some excitement as they get near cape Town.

Much of the last iteration had the same issue, with several legs going like follow-the-leader, and you can refer back to before this 2017 iteration started where people were complaining about the last go-around, and anticipating more of the same this time.  I forget which legs in 2015-16, but I clearly remember several being the same, and it led to me falling away from an event I used to really love following.  I'm bored with the race already, and bored griping about it.  I'll go back to the TJV thread where the racing is far more interesting to me.

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9 hours ago, stief said:

my nav experience is 17 years out of date. 4hrs downloading weather fax maps over a short wave radio, e.g, I know nothing).

Far from a "I know nothing" stiffler. 

Properly interogating synoptic info like you had to do along with real time data is a skill only good navigators have and for top ones is a must have. The process of just downloading and relying on gribs any Tom Dick and Harry can do.

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3 hours ago, LionessRacing said:

Might as well remove the GPS receivers and all weather downloads and let them flail about at random, like a bunch of kids at a piñata.

This software/hardware argument must have a use by date surely. 

For the Luddites you already have your own RTW race starting soon, though you won't be flailing about very quickly.

http://goldengloberace.com/ggr/

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9 hours ago, mad said:

Alingh4evers brain would implode trying to apply that!! Well what little he has :lol:

Give the guy a break. I would much rather read comments from a fan with some passion for the race than analytics of this that or the other factor which the navigators on the boat either don't have access to, don't have time to spend hours building or use a much more 'on the spot' and 'right now' information in any case rather like the vid that came of DFRT with pascal talking about "angry" clouds. Minute by minute details are infinitely more useful to a navigator or skipper rather than some router (which they don't have access to) guessing which boat is going to arrive first in 7-10 (or more) days>

Analysing "stuff" that the racers can't is laughingly pointless, some people obviously have far too much time on their hands.

All that matters - to me anyway, and perhaps Alinghi as well -  right now is that Dongfeng seem to have the uncanny ability that, when the chasers get close they can gradually eek out the miles again as the skeds from the last 24 hours appear to bear out.

Of course I might be completely utterly wrong which is one of the fascinations of the race in one design. No one team has a super design and ends up so far ahead we can all go to sleep until they approach the finish.

 

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11 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Far from a "I know nothing" stiffler. 

Properly interogating a synoptic info along with real time data is a skill only good navigators have and for top ones is a must have. The process of just downloading and relying on gribs any Tom Dick and Harry can do.

So true Jack and in addition they have to be able to see a cloud and say "Hang on those GRIBS can't be right and choose to ignore them

SS

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12 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

than analytics of this that or the other factor which the navigators on the boat either don't have access to, don't have time to spend hours building or use a much more 'on the spot' and 'right now' information

 

12 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

rather than some router (which they don't have access to)

 

12 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Analysing "stuff" that the racers can't is laughingly pointless,

Shang we sometimes can be seperated by a common language but your idea of the role of a navigator in the VOR and all offshore racing, what he has at his disposal data and equipment wise and he is doing every waking hour is incorrect and out by a country mile.

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9 hours ago, mad said:

I’ve heard of people taking that option, not for a few years though. Not a bad call really, last place to have a ruptured appendix is in the middle of an ocean. 

Fix it yourself - see below...

humm ,I suppose.   'just a useless remnant of our evolutionary past',,, unless we need to reboot our intestinal flora.  :wacko:

 

The function of the appendix is unknown. One theory is that the appendix acts as a storehouse for good bacteria, “rebooting” the digestive system after diarrheal illnesses. Other experts believe the appendix is just a useless remnant from our evolutionary past.

 

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In the "old days" they would try to do the same thing, not with AIS, but with radar....

Sailing 2-3000 Nm without seeing another boat is not good when you are racing, as romantic as it may seem.

Being on radar range of other boats made you competitive.

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7 hours ago, southerncross said:

 I think all the boats carry a defibrillator.

If so surely as multi purpose devices though. Like emergency engine start, browning the tops of their Crème brûlées, pesky facial hair removal for the girls, welding reaching-strut end fittings and of course as a driver and trimmer encourager to hit max % polar targets off the breeze.

Van Rietschoten/Flyer in 82 in Southern Ocean only one I recall ever needing one. His heart attack probably caused by Blakey/Ceramco being up his arse as he was only in his 50's and had been retired for about 10 years, so he could go sailing. Anyway he put one on board at the next stopover and kept going. Tough cookies them Dutchmen.

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4 hours ago, GauchoGreg said:

NO SHIT!  It is a bizarre situation where super close racing is boring as all fuck.  It would be different if the boats were different, ,,,,,,,,

The Volvo used to be sooo much more fun to follow in the days of Pirates, ABN, Telefonica, etc., Ericsson,...

The 70's added so much excitement with their bleeding edge breakdowns,,, and those amazing freighter races.  :mellow:

4 hours ago, southerncross said:

Have to admit, the drag races are a little dull to follow.  The only consolation is the Raw Content in which we are reminded of how grueling this close racing really is.

There's a chance further down for the trailing boats to make a move but they may only close the distance at best.  A flyer to work would require the clairvoyance of deity or some stupendous amount of god gifted luck.

All that raw content of how gruelling the challenge is, I find it somewhat similar to put a bunch of blokes in the coleseum, then release the lions,,, or watch dogfights,,, a morbid curiosity really.  :mellow:

The strategy of one designs, something I was very involved with in my sailing,, definitely calls a team to respect the 'group mind', especially of this caliber of nav's. You'd have to have a pretty darn good reason to break out from that consensus,, or be desperate.

   Its quite somthn when such OD racing...  goes.  for.   weeks.  ,,,an interesting phenomena,, if you don't follow too close!  :rolleyes:

3 hours ago, GauchoGreg said:

It's not like the fleet is so much bigger than it was when the boats weren't OD.  The cost savings of the OD can be made up for by more public interest & sponsorship $$$. 

Think of all the big sponsor $$$ lost from Antimov, and all the international shipping consortiums.  I miss those daze. :lol:

1 hour ago, shanghaisailor said:

Give the guy a break. I would much rather read comments from a fan with some passion for the race than analytics of this that or the other factor......

...might have something to do with being rabid fanboys of the same boat.  <_<

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1 hour ago, By the lee said:

 

....is it true he performed his own lobotomy leading up to this!?  :unsure:

14 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Tough cookies them Dutchmen.

I remain convinced this is how Bouwe wakes each time he's back on watch,,, and how Walker absolutely -never- slept on the last go-round.... look at the pictures. :mellow:

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Great to see the technical content that "race experts" are putting out - very educational and pretty unusual to see that level of discussion. A really good innovation this time around.

 

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27 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Van Rietschoten/Flyer in 82 in Southern Ocean only one I recall ever needing one. His heart attack probably caused by Blakey/Ceramco being up his arse as he was only in his 50's and had been retired for about 10 years, so he could go sailing. Anyway he put one on board at the next stopover and kept going. Tough cookies them Dutchmen.

Yep my friend, that's exactly the story I heard in the Vuda Point Marina bar here in Fiji, funny that. Only addition was that whenever the Richshit or Rightshot  was a bit miserable, the watch captain would ask the crew to bring out the defib and they would go Zaaap Zaaap !

BTW, I heard one of the commentators, Nial probably, tell the story of his heart attack, and that he took a few aspirins and did not tell the crew. Not the story I heard, which involved plenty of morphine. He did keep it secret from Ceramco though. True ?

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27 minutes ago, Fiji Flaky said:

He did keep it secret from Ceramco though. True ?

My fear is this is a one-off from you but yes true even though Ceramic had a heart specialist as their medico. He did not want to give up their psychological edge up front. 

Your better at this than commenting on routing choices and history in Leg 1's to Cape Town.

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44 minutes ago, Nixon said:

Great to see the technical content that "race experts" are putting out - very educational and pretty unusual to see that level of discussion...

Yes I think we are all doing a wonderful job here at that. PondMan will be particulary chuffed to read your kind words.

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4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Yes I think we are all doing a wonderful job here at that. PondMan will be particulary chuffed to read your kind words.

Note you or your ilk, mofo, the Volvo peeps!

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1 hour ago, couchsurfer said:

The 70's added so much excitement with their bleeding edge breakdowns,,, and those amazing freighter races.  :mellow:

All that raw content of how gruelling the challenge is, I find it somewhat similar to put a bunch of blokes in the coleseum, then release the lions,,, or watch dogfights,,, a morbid curiosity really.  :mellow:

The strategy of one designs, something I was very involved with in my sailing,, definitely calls a team to respect the 'group mind', especially of this caliber of nav's. You'd have to have a pretty darn good reason to break out from that consensus,, or be desperate.

   Its quite somthn when such OD racing...  goes.  for.   weeks.  ,,,an interesting phenomena,, if you don't follow too close!  :rolleyes:

Think of all the big sponsor $$$ lost from Antimov, and all the international shipping consortiums.  I miss those daze. :lol:

...might have something to do with being rabid fanboys of the same boat.  <_<

Sorry Couchsurfer, you got the motivation for my post completely wrong.

To coin that good old Kiwi expression there appear at times to be a fair population of FIGJAMs on the forum

F - fuck

I - I'm

G - good

J - just

A - ask

M - me

And often at the expense of putting others down - dissing others doesn't make the 'disser' any better, it is really just a form of little willy syndrome.

If people let their enthusiasm for the race (or a particular team)  spill over onto the forums whether their comments are agreed with or disagreed with then so be it - to suggest blocking them for their views which really hurt no one really flies in the face of the name of this site - people can always scroll past their posts if they don't like them, I know I do on occasion.

SS

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4 hours ago, Team_GBR said:

I don't remember the last Volvo being criticised for being non stop drag racing with no excitement and that used the same OD boats. This is simply the combination of a very straight forward doldrums and a one way race track. There aren't exactly a lot of options so even if the boats weren't OD, what we would be seeing is a drag race but instead of it being a close drag race, we would see gaps opening with the potential for the rich to get richer and the poor to drop right of the back of the pack. It might seem boring now, but the closeness will allow for some excitement as they get near cape Town.

It was mentioned and discussed many times in the last race. 

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30 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

And often at the expense of putting others down - dissing others doesn't make the 'disser' any better, it is really just a form of little willy syndrome.

 

Hey, the forum is managing just fine without your evaluation. Use your own medicine and just scroll away. Nothing is more boring than somebody feeling the need to tell everybody to behave. We don't need a daaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Alinghi is doing just fine.

As you were.

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5 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

Hey, the forum is managing just fine without your evaluation. Use your own medicine and just scroll away. Nothing is more boring than somebody feeling the need to tell everybody to behave. We don't need a daaaaaaaaaaaaaad. Alinghi is doing just fine.

As you were.

Yes Maaaaaaaaaaaa. (just joking)

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38 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

And often at the expense of putting others down - dissing others doesn't make the 'disser' any better, it is really just a form of little willy syndrome

Shang yes I too follow a well scriptured credo for interpersonal relations. Mine is;

"Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss, and when.
Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do."

Shang I could go on but I think I might be wasting my breath. My guess is you really are in dire need of something that I can't put my tongue around.

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15 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Stu (Bannetyne that is) is going to play a Major in the outcome of this Leg with his driving in high winds once we hock into a western storm track.

Oh yes how true. You must have seen how all the other drivers were forced practise in a wind tunnel in Lisbon before they left just to get their Learners Licence and the tick to cast off.

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2 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

I do that too. Consider this though: In any other Forum who has more strict rules mad & jack would have been banned what they said to me the first pages of this Thread. These were personal insults of the highest order.

Feel free to move over to these forums.

No fuck off and stop obsessing about your own person, people are here for the race, not you.

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12 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

I do that too. Consider this though: In any other Forum who has more strict rules mad & jack would have been banned what they said to me the first pages of this Thread. These were personal insults of the highest order.

How did you get on with your complaint to Mr Clean..

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6 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

jack & mad are here to insult me. That has become pretty obvious to me.

And you are here to talk about yourself as a little girl and say stupid things about the race. We all know this.

Carry on.

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11 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

jack & mad are here to insult me. That has become pretty obvious to me.

1 hour ago, shanghaisailor said:

to suggest blocking them for their views which really hurt no one really flies in the face of the name of this site - people can always scroll past their posts if they don't like them, I know I do on occasion.

 

17 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

I do that too. Consider this though: In any other Forum who has more strict rules mad & jack would have been banned what they said to me the first pages of this Thread. These were personal insults of the highest order.

Mate you have it all wrong. Mad and I simply can't believe how your experience matches that of RTW VOR skippers and your willingness to share it here.

For instance I have heard on the grapevine that for this weekend's RTP Leg 1 starting from the Water Lillies and finishing at the Water Wheel beside the carpark, that your sponsor; that pet grooming place in your village called, Dongs Doggy Style, fired you last week. 

You then took Dong to the AAC (Arbitrators for Animal Cruelty), you miraculously got reinstated as skipper but your two main critters, Theodore and Simon have now scurried off back to the woods. All because you haven't been giving them the biscuits you and Dong promised at outset it seems. Talk about a bloody coincidence.

Anyway will DongPond Racing be able to find two able 6" high furry little replacements of your interlectual and technical calibre in time? That is a hard ask. There are a couple of candidates here that might fit the bill at a pinch, if that helps.

Good luck this weekend.

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5 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Unfortunately Clean doesn't take messages so I've to find someone else...preferably the Admin of SA.

Ah you never disappoint.....

Beastly they are, beastly........

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1 hour ago, shanghaisailor said:

Sorry Couchsurfer, you got the motivation for my post completely wrong.

To coin that good old Kiwi expression there appear at times to be a fair population of FIGJAMs on the forum

F - fuck

I - I'm

G - good

J - just

A - ask

M - me

And often at the expense of putting others down - dissing others doesn't make the 'disser' any better, it is really just a form of little willy syndrome.

If people let their enthusiasm for the race (or a particular team)  spill over onto the forums whether their comments are agreed with or disagreed with then so be it - to suggest blocking them for their views which really hurt no one really flies in the face of the name of this site - people can always scroll past their posts if they don't like them, I know I do on occasion.

SS

Play by your own post above SS, don’t like?! 

Scroll on by. 

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22 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

Feel free to move over to these forums.

No fuck off and stop obsessing about your own person, people are here for the race, not you.

Very eloquently put :)

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25 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

jack & mad are here to insult me. That has become pretty obvious to me.

It’s not just the 2 of us!!

 

Plenty of people here think you’re a whiny little fuckwit, just have a closer look back in AC anarchy for a trip down memory lane in case you’ve forgotten. 

 

We’re here to follow the race, you being here, is just the annoying turd on the doorstep every time we come in and out of the thread. 

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6 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

No, I haven't. You consistently insulted me.

That pales in comparison to your and Dong's treatment of Theodore and Simon. Shame on you both. You should be whacked with a RC Rule 69 Misconduct offence.

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15 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

No, I haven't. You consistently insulted me.

Small fish become big fish by not rising to the bait

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I usually try to be civil about most things, but, seriously, this is all getting me down.  The clutter is making the forum painful.

Can everyone just put Mr A4E on ignore and get back to the race.   I just have.

 

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Update Alert, update alert !!!

There was an update 2 hrs ago.  Race experts say: "Battle tightens".   Pay attention, carry on !!!

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12 minutes ago, mad said:

Plenty of people here think you’re a whiny little fuckwit, just have a closer look back in AC anarchy for a trip down memory lane in case you’ve forgotten. 

Mad I spent little time on AC but isn't now about the time he says goodbye never to return...there is a party..then he returns..or has that already occured here??

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21 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

No, I haven't. You consistently insulted me.

You’re a consistent idiot, see any coincidences here? 

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21 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Bottom Line: I want them both out of his Forum...NOW...immediatedly.

:lol::lol::lol:

toddler is stamping his foot and having a tantrum. 

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3 minutes ago, Francis Vaughan said:

The clutter is making the forum painful

Bet you have the best made bed in the dormitory Francis. I put clutter here down to a boring as fuck 1,000nm drag race in OD's just at the moment. Blame the GFC, Knut and Farr.

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11 minutes ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Oh, yes. It's you two. Others at least trying to keep it civil somewhat.

Really??? 

There’s not one other person here that has explained that you’re an idiot? 

I seem to remember you having similar issues in AC anarchy, but I see you decided to pick and choose which bits of my post to quote. 

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1 hour ago, Alinghi4ever said:

Bottom Line: I want them both out of his Forum...NOW...immediatedly.

I want a Possum, whose larger than you Chipmunk, to come along, steal DongPond Racing from under your big beedy eyes as an addition to his own RC team Puma...and bite your dick off for good measure. Don't think that is going to happen though.

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