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2 hours ago, couchsurfer said:

Annie,,, please don't make it so difficult.   Once the ingredients are in the cups, just close'em up and ...SHAKE 'EM!!   :)

  5 hours ago, Chasm said:

Apropos live, here is the raw of Annie trying not to burn her hands. Too often. http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/raw/2878.html

How about a long neck funnel, with a stick (aka handle) glued on? Cut the toothbrushes down, you can find the weight budget. :) 
(On second thought 20(?) minutes of warmup time below sound better.)

4 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

presumably there's a reason she hasn't got the carbon cup holder jammed in the sink to hold the mugs for her while she pours the boiling water?

 

.......good she knows how to sail.    :mellow:

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                                                    ....''it's true they used SCA's stylist for our suits!?''   :unsure:

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...orr,,,,,,''hold my drinky,, gotta show you somethin!''   
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Leg 02, Lisbon to Cape Town, day 17, on board AkzoNobel. Simeon Tienpont- ready for anything.

Photo by James Blake/Volvo Ocean Race. 21 November, 2017.

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                                                                            ....''no fair,, it's meant to be -my- turn at th'wheel''   

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15 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Leg 02, Lisbon to Cape Town, day 17, on board AkzoNobel. Simeon Tienpont- ready for anything.

Photo by James Blake/Volvo Ocean Race. 21 November, 2017.

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......''yah,, they said they'd be happier in the liferaft.  Oh, well,,, more fer me.''  

        

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Runs in the family.

Leg 02, Lisbon to Cape Town, day 17, on board AkzoNobel. Martine Grael- Hold on tight

Photo by James Blake/Volvo Ocean Race. 21 November, 2017.

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8 minutes ago, PIL007 said:

Any chance you could give it a rest Couchy....

..yah,, I spose.   not much happening on the track anyways,, guess i'll go do somthn.    :mellow:

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1 hour ago, southerncross said:

A word from SciFi about the High.

http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/raw/2960.html

The last 40 seconds of that video also has some really great sailing footage.  Gives you a good feel of just how intense the sailing is right now.  Definitely a long way from the tropics now & seriously earning their pay this portion of the leg.

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3 hours ago, southerncross said:

From Bru.  Bouwe discussing Stealth.

http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/raw/2937.html

 

2 hours ago, southerncross said:

Nice finds. Young and old describing  VOR OD racing as relentless, but addictive. Plus 1 or more to " And to do this with your mates." (think Dee also said something similar recently).  Thanks.

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Clean Report

You see them at every major regatta; a chaotic, bedraggled corps of passionate wackos toting pelican cases and laptop bags who call themselves ‘media professionals.’  They’re more demanding than the most spoiled billionaire owner and more manipulative than a match racing champ, and they’re more cynical and jaded than any sailor could hope to be.  The scariest part of it all is that the success or failure of an event can come down to whether or not someone can keep the journalists, filmmakers, and photographers happy, and in all the world, there was one woman better at that job than anyone else in the world.

And we’re gutted to tell you that yesterday, after years of quietly battling against the disease that took her, one of the world’s best managers of personalities anywhere died.

I’d say Isabel Genis exemplified the term ‘grace under pressure,’ but in reality, grace permeated Isa did regardless of pressure.  When we first met Isabel she was running a massive press operation at the Barcelona World Race, and her deft hand at handling the stickiest situations was already legendary.  Somehow able to turn the most negative story into a feel-good win/win narrative, Isabel always managed to find an elegant solution to any problem without sacrificing her integrity or honesty.

Isabel took the time to read every reporter’s filing and watch almost every film.  She spoke at least 6 languages and could provide you with a fact, a name, or a translation in microseconds. To me,  a 30-something ‘reporter’ with my 20-something photographer wife representing an ‘outlaw’ publication, Genis did something that no one else running a major event had ever done: She made us feel like a truly valuable part of the whole thing, and helped us really want to bring our readers behind the scenes for some amazing stories.

Without Isabel, the world’s understanding of the great races she worked – The Race, the Vendee Globe, Olympics, Barcelona World Race, America’s Cup, Volvo Ocean Race (and everything else Isabel touched in her busy career) – would be much poorer.  Personally,  had I missed out on several late night, hours-long, red wine-fueled talks about the sport, controversy, ethics, technology and family with Isabel, I know I’d be a much poorer person for it.  We are all poorer this morning for her loss.

http://sailinganarchy.com/2017/11/21/real-genius/

 

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1 hour ago, Breitling said:

Vestas broaching ?

Thought it just a data glitch from yesterday, but laughed at VS11's explanation  "Just slowing down  to let you catch up @brunelsailing" .

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9 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Shang I can't remember what I had for breakfast let alone an opinion a couple of days ago. However I'm sure it was riveting. :-)

 

9 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Stop dodging the issue. FYI, I actually (and grudgingly) agreed with you at the time. It just shows there is only one thing more dangerous than a tiger and that is a wounded tiger

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Dodge???..Shang my job as a stuntman is about the only dodging I do these days..oh plus occasional disgruntled customers who prefer their alligator skin shoes to be dead.

I will have to go back and track down the finish order I predicted but I'm sure it is good..the last time I was wrong was when I thought I was wrong.

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1 hour ago, WLIS Jibing said:

Wish the next sked would just come out already... The wait is so brutal sometimes.

Here you are, "my" prediction for the next sked, nice and warm...

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4 hours ago, Elisa said:

Stu on the Donger is doing an amazing job, the guy is just loving it and seems right in his natural habitat in these conditions. 

He eats razor blades for breakfast...probably the most important guy on that boat for giving them a edge here towards the end of a leg and where everyone is half fucked..

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1 hour ago, southerncross said:

We are all poorer this morning for her loss.

http://sailinganarchy.com/2017/11/21/real-genius/

That sucks. Also one of the better things Clean has penned. Fuck maybe it is age but for me hardly a week goes by anymore without someone nice or talented or whatever you admire falling off the perch. 

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5 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Fuck maybe it is age but for me hardly a week goes by anymore without someone nice or talented or whatever you admire falling off the perch. 

Know what you mean.  Was just having this conversation.

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9 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

That sucks. Also one of the better things Clean has penned. Fuck maybe it is age but for me hardly a week goes by anymore without someone nice or talented or whatever you admire falling off the perch. 

Yup, and Clean is feeling fatherhood too.

Missing the callow days when weddings and bar hopping were the usual social events, and funerals rare.  Wrong way around for a few years now, but RTW the right way is good :) Had a crossing the bar allusion there, but  . . 

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4 hours ago, Elisa said:

Stu on the Donger is doing an amazing job, the guy is just loving it and seems right in his natural habitat in these conditions. 

A couple days ago as I watched video footage I was thinking how fun it looked and how I could totally see doing that.  The last 24 hours every time I watch a clip I keep thinking "Holy crap, that looks brutal and takes a special kind of person to thrive in those conditions."

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On 2017-11-16 at 7:55 PM, couchsurfer said:

 

                                                             Thy sea, O God, so great,    My boat so small.

                                                        It cannot be that any happy fate,  Will me befall.
                                                         Save as Thy goodness opens paths for me
                                                         Through the consuming vastness of the sea.

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                                        Thy winds, O God, so strong,
                                          So slight my sail.
                                         How could I curb and bit them on the long and saltry trail,
                                        Unless Thy love were mightier than the wrath
                                        Of all the tempests that beset my path?

                                         Thy world, O God, so fierce,
                                          And I so frail.
                                          Yet, though its arrows threaten oft to pierce my fragile mail,
                                          Cities of refuge rise where dangers cease,
                                           Sweet silences abound, and all is peace.

                                                           - Winfred Ernest Garrison

   

Thought this worth a bump. Will hide if wished.

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7 minutes ago, Hugh Jorgan said:

A couple days ago as I watched video footage I was thinking how fun it looked and how I could totally see doing that.  The last 24 hours every time I watch a clip I keep thinking "Holy crap, that looks brutal and takes a special kind of person to thrive in those conditions."

Hah. I'm just the opposite.  I can't stand the light, hot stuff.  I want to slit my wrists.  Had my 7th birthday on my first equator crossing.  The whole Neptune ordeal.  It took forever.  Wasn't a breath of air for days.  Very traumatic.

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Since we are in a reflective mood waiting for the next update...

and where those on the water now seeing first light, 

and who have adhered to the golden rule of "you get them at night"...

might have prospered more than others.

Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

Remember The Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you - 
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
Take heart in the bedeepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

 

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Love it, Jack.  Best thing you've written to date.  Did you write it?  

Disclaimer:  I've had a couple so not exactly sure I understood it but I grasped the meaning in a Bukowski - ish blur.

“what matters most is how well you walk through the fire” 
 Charles Bukowski

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23 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Finally a freaking update.  Eeeech.  Akzo really bit it. 

oooph,,,   auto-pilot indeed.   :mellow:

 

...am I reading that right??.....   ''next report in 23:35:08''    :o

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Just now, couchsurfer said:

''next report in 23:35:08'' 

It's a glitch that pops up after an update.  It will go away.

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                                        .....''the beatings --will-- continue to continue.... until the morale improves.....''   :(

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That last update through me a bit.  I routed every one, then looked at the results and went Huh? So went back and realized hey had not updated the pos reports. Doh!

Anyway here are some projections.

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2 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Anyway here are some projections.

Thanks for putting the names of the boats on the route.

No route has predicted Mapfre placing anywhere but first for a few days now and by a good margin.  Looks like these places are set.  Maybe Brunel can come back on Vestas.  Never say it's over, right?

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So, Akzo just that little bit to slow and fell off the bus? Witty should be estatic. :) New tuning partner and all of that.

Mapfre is looking good. One shift - and then not parking under table mountain............
DF also looking good, blunder fixed as good as it gets.

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6 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

That last update through me a bit.  I routed every one, then looked at the results and went Huh? So went back and realized hey had not updated the pos reports. Doh!

Anyway here are some projections.

Great, and thanks for showing us what to watch for. Best news is that all should have daylight arrivals. Interesting that these projections have AKZO, TTOP and SHKS taking the southern option. The nav topic on all three today was that big upcoming decision, and all hoped the high changes.  

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Re AKZO's take, jbc  summarized the vid in his spreadsheet. Nice, and thanks.

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Slomo shot of a dark albatross gliding in their awake. Emily, below, getting out of her bunk: "It's cold." Jules, at the nav station, talks about how they're still riding the front, but have high pressure a few days ahead. Simeon repairs some piece of gear, hands it to someone, and talks about the upcoming winds and strategy. "In general we've been sailing the boat well." Nicho, on the stern: "Number one challenge is how we're gonna get ahead of some of the boats ahead of us." Talks about how boats can get stuck in the approach to Cape Town. Slomo of spray coming into the cockpit.

https://volvooceanrace-2017-18.s3.amazonaws.com/videos/cropped/m107312_13-02-171121-azn-00001_HD.mp4

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9 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Anyway here are some projections.

Hitch so the big spliffsky...a minimum DTG of 1,100nm makes it impossible for the southern split to stage an upset with say 200 extra miles to sail, regardless of the conditions.

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3 minutes ago, stief said:

Heh. "Forwad". I invent a lot of words when typing those. :D

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15 minutes ago, stief said:

Great, and thanks for showing us what to watch for. Best news is that all should have daylight arrivals. Interesting that these projections have AKZO, TTOP and SHKS taking the southern option. The nav topic on all three today was that big upcoming decision, and all hoped the high changes.  

...how can y'all put much weight on these speculguesses,,, when the router's themselves complain of constantly changing conditions outside of what's forecast?   :mellow:

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1 minute ago, couchsurfer said:

...how can y'all put much weight on these speculguesses,,, when the router's themselves complain of constantly changing conditions outside of what's forecast?   :mellow:

Fewer and fewer days out.  Routes agreeing more.

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18 minutes ago, couchsurfer said:

...how can y'all put much weight on these speculguesses,,, when the router's themselves complain of constantly changing conditions outside of what's forecast?   :mellow:

Can't. As I said, they tell us what to watch for better than blustery assertions. For example, when Conrad cockily called big gybe the leaders would take for . . .  2100 tomorrow, I laughed. Didn't you? Sheesh. 

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1 hour ago, southerncross said:

Hah. I'm just the opposite.  I can't stand the light, hot stuff.  I want to slit my wrists.  Had my 7th birthday on my first equator crossing.  The whole Neptune ordeal.  It took forever.  Wasn't a breath of air for days.  Very traumatic.

Maybe it's a 'grass is greener' thing :D  Strong winds I'm ok with, we get those a lot locally.  It's also winter hat, foulies, thermals almost Every. Single. Fricken. Day. in SF.  Hate to sound ungrateful, we do have fantastic conditions.  But I dream of sailing in warm weather constantly, it's borderline obsession.  So, I'm watching the VOR guys near the roaring 40's and figure it's gotta be like 50 times worse.  Those are some incredibly wet looking boats too.  

I'm not a boat builder but seems like they could have found a way to not sacrifice speed for a slightly drier ride, no?  Did the designer not get the memo this was an offshore race series?

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42 minutes ago, Hugh Jorgan said:

I'm not a boat builder but seems like they could have found a way to not sacrifice speed for a slightly drier ride, no? 

They could definitely have a faster and drier platform ...however the never ending debate then is whether they would be good for two or more rounds of the orange and or not cost too much more?

The next edition foiling 60's will answer that question and hopefuly settle the debate once and for all.

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Maybe someday they'll be able to keep dinghy sailors dry too.  Little Opti bubbles bobbing around.  Sheltered Skiff sailors. Forget the trapeze.  Best not let them go out at all if if gets too windy.  Otherwise, they might capsize and get all wet.  

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15 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Maybe someday they'll be able to keep dinghy sailors dry too.  Little Opti bubbles bobbing around.  Sheltered Skiff sailors. Forget the trapeze.  Best not let them go out at all if if gets too windy.  Otherwise, they might capsize and get all wet.  

...just stay on the couch,, so much less fuss!    :)

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Hitch so the big spliffsky...a minimum DTG of 1,100nm makes it impossible for the southern split to stage an upset with say 200 extra miles to sail, regardless of the conditions.

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No matter how much one smokes.  It would seem very unlikely.

Is that your personal stash?

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15 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Nah confiscated it off one of the kids for being 2 seconds late for dinner.

I always drug test my crew.  That way I know who's holding out on the good shit!

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3 hours ago, southerncross said:

It's a glitch that pops up after an update.  It will go away.

...still showing 20hrs.   mebbe theyre serious.

Kinda quiet without,,, errr,,, wazizname.  :mellow:

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....here's a good fanboy piece from Shanghai.... from the FP...

They say in the jungle that the only thing more dangerous in the jungle than a tiger, is a wounded tiger. Clearly the pride of Charles and Pascal on Dongfeng was wounded when, having led Leg 2 of the Volvo Ocean Race virtually all the way from leading the fleet out of Lisbon, a wrong decision leading to sailing too far towards the high pressure threw them out the back door.

Even Pascal was heard to say on the VOR Daily Live “we’re completely fucked”.

The mark of true champions however, is that when they are down they don’t stay down, they pick themselves up.

I have seen Olympic runners knocked over on the last lap, pick themselves up, then pass everyone to take the gold. Football teams 3-0 down come back to lift the trophy – that is the mark of champions.

Dongfeng have not yet re-taken the lead but Mapfre must be looking over their shoulder as the boys and girls on the East Wind (Dong Feng) have just posted the fastest 24 hour run of this race so far, surpassing 530 Nm for the first time taking the wind out of the sails of, not only some of the other teams, but also several pundits who immediately wrote them off for a podium finish.

To give an idea of how the whole team is pulling together to reduce the deficit, and who knows, perhaps even get to Capetown first, below is straight off the boat from Dongfeng skipper Charles Caudrelier: 

Our speed is the work of the whole Dongfeng crew. The mood is better on board after our fantastic come back. When I said two days ago that we can maybe make a comeback, I was not sure I really thought it was possible. But I wanted to ensure that we didn’t lose hope and I also always believe that when you sail well and work hard you deserve a bit of luck.

The luck was that the situation – until tomorrow – favoured the back of the fleet. It was important to come back before today and we have done it. Our speed over the last two days has been amazing; it could have been even better if we had not had a small issue two days ago when we lost a few miles. But this speed is crazy. In the last race, we were the king of the light and medium air but we were not fast in heavy weather so we worked really hard to find solutions this winter and this investment has paid off.

I can hardly believe how fast we are sometimes. It reminds me of the old times on Groupama when we were one knot faster than everyone else at times.

But this speed is the result of the efforts of the full crew and the big work we did this winter and then with MAPFRE in August in Sanxenxo. It is also a result of the efforts of the new sailors in Dongfeng Race Team who have brought us their knowledge and their driving skills. Stu and Daryl are just amazing drivers at high speed.

On the cockpit display we have our performance presented as a percentage of the boat’s polars and, I can tell you, it’s not easy to drive after Stu – “Mr 102%!” But this is a good reference and all our drivers now reach this target.

This afternoon Marie was helming and I was watching her, pushing more than anyone. I decided to give up my turn on the wheel and do the grinding for her. But now, ahead of us, there is a high pressure ridge to cross and there are decisions to make. I missed one opportunity a few days ago – I will not miss the next.

This is the last phase of the race if we forget the terrible bay of Cape Town where you can lose so much, just two miles from the finishing line.

Notice also, that unlike some skippers, Charles takes full responsibility for the error that cost them so many miles.

With a leader like this and a crew, obviously, so willing, keen and able to follow makes them a danger to their competitors, whatever the situation.

Shanghai Sailor

 

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16 hours ago, Varan said:
44 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:
2 hours ago, southerncross said:
5 hours ago, Forestdawg said:

 

 

Android users, ever notice how sometimes quoted posts show up when you try to post something and you cannot delete them? What's up with that. No option to clear. Delete, backspace do not work, so please ignore.

 

Anyway, for all you sleepy heads, the lead has now been cut to under 20 nm, less than one hour at current speeds. This leg is far from over.

 

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13 minutes ago, Varan said:

Android users, ever notice how sometimes quoted posts show up when you try to post something and you cannot delete them

You have hit quote or + button, uploaded to your reply box but then changed your mind. Simply go out of the page come back touch reply box and they appear from cache in your reply box. The hit "clear editor" button and they are gone.

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17 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said:

Akzo must have broken something

Boat Speed, TWS, TWA down smells like a horrible light patch sitting over and following them or if TWS incorrect then maybe busted sail plan.

PS you caught me mid edit Nor

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

Speed down TWA down smells like busted sail plan.

They have the same speed as Scally and TtT, in slightly less wind, so it doesn't look broken.

But of course, these numbers on the tracker are just a screenshot....

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7 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

But of course, these numbers on the tracker are just a screenshot....

It's 1/2 hour strip chart so a case of a very unkind wind god on their arse for quite a while looking at position.

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Well on that topic I am willing to admit that I am a fluke of the universe, & I have no right to be here, pretty sure the universe is laughing behind my back (thanks Dr. D the only reason I know this).

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Skally gettin some action in the back section, Vestas & Brunel finally finding a little up-tic in speed?  Donger still looking strong but gettin some heat from Vestas.  Mappy needs to look behind them to port and do something before there isn't anything behind them to see.  Just a couple days ago who would have thought someone other than Plastics or Skally would be in the race to not be DFL?  Umm, Akzo, wtf?  Wonder if Akzo has a broken spreader, I hear you can drift around for like 5 months if those things break. 

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On 11/15/2017 at 2:40 PM, NORBowGirl said:

Unless you have spent time with him you can't really tell if he's a good leader or not. You can of course have opinions, everybody does, but stating it as a fact is still stupid.

 

 

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59 minutes ago, Herman said:

Wow, punching cards references too, what a timewarp!

To right Herman. People wondered why we always seemed to get the weather right in my early years. On a trailer behind the car I had a IBM Mainframe and on the morning of the start would punch cards and compute the best route using a customised Fortran program I had written in maths at school.

Anyway the Russions got wind of my mathamatical and weather genius and slipped me a few bucks plus a new boat to calculate Yuri Gagarin's entry point and re-entry angle into the atmosphere so he didn't BBQ himself on the way home or land in New York or Texas. Went home to a hero's welcome behind the Iron Curtain but the bastards didn't mention me and scrubbed me from the history books. Interestingly they didn't approach me prior to that to sort one out for the Chimp, so obviously they had a cage full of them wearing tin foil waistcoats.

NASA also wanted me to do the same thing for John Glenn but my price of an evening with Jacki Kennedy didn't go down too well with them, or Jack. 

I must say it was a joyous day when IBM invented the PC, Gatezy the mouse; and I could leave the trailer at home.

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Shang is not hiding behind a bush there.

No point hiding behind a bush when the evidence is so compelling. I may be wrong but as they are taking 2-3 miles out of Mapfre every sked and with a deficit of just 18 miles and more than 6 skeds to go then I would say Mapfre should start looking over their shoulder wouldn't you?

However it is still Mapfre that are the ones to beat but it is not as "All over" as some assumed a couple of days ago is it Jack? ;-)

As Stu on DF said - "It's never over until its over"

Also please drop this fanboy shit. When rooting for a bunch of guys where you know pretty much all of them (including the shore team) the title doesn't quite fit. Surely with over 18,000 posts Couchsurfer you have had enough practice to come up with something better than that? 18,000 posts? Don't know how you find the time! 

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13 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

As Stu on DF said - "It's never over until its over"

So profound.  That's changed my word view.

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1 hour ago, Hugh Jorgan said:

Wonder if Akzo has a broken spreader, I hear you can drift around for like 5 months if those things break. 

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Akzo is still doing 19.7 knots so no broken spreader over there.
And I guess the crew can fix a broken spreader in not a spare on board.

Mapfre doing very steady. It ain't over till it's over but they have the advantage.

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18 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Also please drop this fanboy shit. When rooting for a bunch of guys where you know pretty much all of them (including the shore team) the title doesn't quite fit.

I'm considering doing the same for my favorite team: write an article and put it on the frontpage, as if it's the whole of SA's favorite team.

:) 

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Go for it...

To be fair to SS he does post on the front page from time to time.

Dongfeng are certainly not giving up and that's keeping this leg exciting... Advantage still with MAPF.

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3 minutes ago, rogerfal said:

Go for it...

To be fair to SS he does post on the front page from time to time.

Dongfeng are certainly not giving up and that's keeping this leg exciting... Advantage still with MAPF.

I don't have a problem with his articles, I like them  - I was just trying to be funny :)

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