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2 hours ago, warbird said:

.....so...... the lack of substance in indictments so far does have you worried......:lol:

Hmmm... one already pled guilty about lying to the FBI about something that Trump has insisted is "Fake News"

So it's obviously real.

Manafort & Gates? Well tax evasion is what they put away Al Capone for, so how much "substance" do these charges need beyond that? And he's pretty well nailed for that if the prosecution has receipts for personal stuff he bought with money he didn't pay taxes on.................

My question is, what are Manafort & Gates' lawyers telling them? "Hold out for a plea deal that doesn't include turning on Trump, or the Putin will send Spetnaz after you." They're going to one of those Federal country clubs, at least.

Meanwhile, there are several other completed and sealed indictments sitting on the table................

 

2 hours ago, warbird said:

I scoff in your general direction. My fart will be be the fragrance of a boquet when the the odor of your malfeasance surrounds you as Trump  and his campaign are exonerated.

Not the most intelligent thing you've ever said.... not the most intelligent thing that bottle in front of you ever said, either

-DSK

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Trump's campaign manager, a 40+ year veteran of politics who's represented all manner of despotic shitheads and decided to represent a populist authoritarian asshole who promised to "drain the swamp" was indicted on millions in tax fraud he spent on millions in cloths and home furnishings.

......2 or 3 years before he came on the Trump campaign for a week..

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2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Hmmm... one already pled guilty about lying to the FBI about something that Trump has insisted is "Fake News"

So it's obviously real.

Manafort & Gates? Well tax evasion is what they put away Al Capone for, so how much "substance" do these charges need beyond that? And he's pretty well nailed for that if the prosecution has receipts for personal stuff he bought with money he didn't pay taxes on.................

My question is, what are Manafort & Gates' lawyers telling them? "Hold out for a plea deal that doesn't include turning on Trump, or the Putin will send Spetnaz after you." They're going to one of those Federal country clubs, at least.

Meanwhile, there are several other completed and sealed indictments sitting on the table................

-DSK

Manaforts transgressions, in a Russian collusion investigation, are he misreported income?

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5 minutes ago, warbird said:

Manaforts transgressions, in a Russian collusion investigation, are he misreported income?

Somebody already pointed out that Al Capone was busted for tax evasion despite all the murdering.  Prosecutors go for what's easiest to get a conviction on. 

You really do have concrete between your ears. 

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2 minutes ago, warbird said:

Manaforts transgressions, in a Russian collusion investigation, are include that fact that he misreported income?.

FIFY

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Just now, warbird said:

Manaforts transgressions, in a Russian collusion investigation, are he misreported income?

You claimed it was nothing serious, I reminded you that tax evasions VERY serious.

As for whether he took money to influence future US foreign policy for the benefit of Russia, which is pretty much a given although whether or not it can be proven beyond any possible doubt by Trumpette like you, that's something that could prove irrelevant for the whole time he's getting a stripey sun tan.

Why do you think think a Ukranian politician who was a defacto Russian puppet gave Manafort millions of dollars?

And why do you think Manafort had NO influence on Trump or his campaign? Did Trump just pick his name out of the phone book when he needed a campaign manager? Let me remind you that at one point Trump himself was applauding Manafort's efforts AS HIS CAMPAIGN TOP BOSS ("aww he was just a faceless volunteer") and giving him credit for winning a few primaries.

Do you really have that short of a memory? Are you really -that- eager to be fooled?

-DSK

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12 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Somebody already pointed out that Al Capone was busted for tax evasion despite all the murdering.  Prosecutors go for what's easiest to get a conviction on. 

You really do have concrete between your ears. 

MANAFORTE was disingenuous with regards to income in 2013. That affects 6 or 7 days of the Trump Campaign  in 2016 exactly how?

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14 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

You claimed it was nothing serious, I reminded you that tax evasions VERY serious.

As for whether he took money to influence future US foreign policy for the benefit of Russia, which is pretty much a given although whether or not it can be proven beyond any possible doubt by Trumpette like you, that's something that could prove irrelevant for the whole time he's getting a stripey sun tan.

Why do you think think a Ukranian politician who was a defacto Russian puppet gave Manafort millions of dollars?

And why do you think Manafort had NO influence on Trump or his campaign? Did Trump just pick his name out of the phone book when he needed a campaign manager? Let me remind you that at one point Trump himself was applauding Manafort's efforts AS HIS CAMPAIGN TOP BOSS ("aww he was just a faceless volunteer") and giving him credit for winning a few primaries.

Do you really have that short of a memory? Are you really -that- eager to be fooled?

-DSK

Manafoet was"on" for a week?

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Just now, warbird said:

MANAFORTE was disingenuous with regards to income in 2013. That affects 6 or 7 days of the Trump Campaign  in 2016 exactly how?

Maybe the problem with you is people are using font that's too small.  Steam Flyer asked you some thought provoking questions and you didn't answer them.   Give them a shot:

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You claimed it was nothing serious, I reminded you that tax evasions VERY serious.

As for whether he took money to influence future US foreign policy for the benefit of Russia, which is pretty much a given although whether or not it can be proven beyond any possible doubt by Trumpette like you, that's something that could prove irrelevant for the whole time he's getting a stripey sun tan.

Why do you think think a Ukranian politician who was a defacto Russian puppet gave Manafort millions of dollars?

And why do you think Manafort had NO influence on Trump or his campaign? Did Trump just pick his name out of the phone book when he needed a campaign manager? Let me remind you that at one point Trump himself was applauding Manafort's efforts AS HIS CAMPAIGN TOP BOSS ("aww he was just a faceless volunteer") and giving him credit for winning a few primaries.

Do you really have that short of a memory? Are you really -that- eager to be fooled?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, warbird said:

MANAFORTE was disingenuous with regards to income in 2013. That affects 6 or 7 days of the Trump Campaign  in 2016 exactly how?

He's a cheat.  Why did Trump hire him to run his campaign?  Especially with his Russian contacts?  Or was be because of his Russian contacts?

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2 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

Maybe the problem with you is people are using font that's too small.  Steam Flyer asked you some thought provoking questions and you didn't answer them.   Give them a shot:

 

Manafort was dismissed within a week.

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3 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

He's a cheat.  Why did Trump hire him to run his campaign?  Especially with his Russian contacts?  Or was be because of his Russian contacts?

A foriegn policy advisor should know only amuricans??????

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Just now, warbird said:

Manafort was dismissed within a week.

Why do you think think a Ukranian politician who was a defacto Russian puppet gave Manafort millions of dollars?

And why do you think Manafort had NO influence on Trump or his campaign? Did Trump just pick his name out of the phone book when he needed a campaign manager? Let me remind you that at one point Trump himself was applauding Manafort's efforts AS HIS CAMPAIGN TOP BOSS ("aww he was just a faceless volunteer") and giving him credit for winning a few primaries.

Do you really have that short of a memory? Are you really -that- eager to be fooled?

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Just now, Clove Hitch said:

Why do you think think a Ukranian politician who was a defacto Russian puppet gave Manafort millions of dollars?

And why do you think Manafort had NO influence on Trump or his campaign? Did Trump just pick his name out of the phone book when he needed a campaign manager? Let me remind you that at one point Trump himself was applauding Manafort's efforts AS HIS CAMPAIGN TOP BOSS ("aww he was just a faceless volunteer") and giving him credit for winning a few primaries.

Do you really have that short of a memory? Are you really -that- eager to be fooled?

What defacto boss gave him $millions,  when(year)?

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14 minutes ago, warbird said:

Manafort was dismissed within a week.

He was campaign manager through the primaries.  Much more than a week.

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Ya'all lefties with a dick so deep in yur ass ya'all can't see straight think Manafort is a revalation. He was dumped because HE was baggage. IF there is something on Trump, it is not likely through Manafort and his 2012, 2013 transgressions. Quit yer squatting on dick orgasms and come up with a real "Trump Campaign conspires to collude with a hostile government" storyline.

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Just now, warbird said:

Popodopulus met with a proffessor and a whore. Niether connected with a foriegn govt.

He plead guilty to collusion with the Russians.  You cucks are funny.

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3 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

He plead guilty to collusion with the Russians.  You cucks are funny.

He plead guilty to lying about a time line.

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9 minutes ago, warbird said:

Ya'all lefties with a dick so deep in yur ass ya'all can't see straight think Manafort is a revalation. He was dumped because HE was baggage. IF there is something on Trump, it is not likely through Manafort and his 2012, 2013 transgressions. Quit yer squatting on dick orgasms and come up with a real "Trump Campaign conspires to collude with a hostile government" storyline.

I apologise, Spatial. I was wrong. The Trump supporters really are melting down. As Eva Dent.

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4 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

He plead guilty to collusion with the Russians.  You cucks are funny.

Meeting a poser and a whore (russians or canadians each) is not colluding with a foriegn govt.

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3 minutes ago, warbird said:

Meeting a poser and a whore (russians or canadians each) is not colluding with a foriegn govt.

He plead guilty to much more, including collusion.  He’s trumps worst nightmare.

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3 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

He plead guilty to much more, including collusion.  He’s trumps worst nightmare.

Except the whore and the poser were not connected to the Russian govt, they were plants at best. No collusion!!!

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5 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

He plead guilty to much more, including collusion.  He’s trumps worst nightmare.

If you use a personal lubricant , chaffing is reduced.

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4 minutes ago, warbird said:

Except the whore and the poser were not connected to the Russian govt, they were plants at best. No collusion!!!

Did he know that?  Seems he was trying to collude.  Bigly.

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47 minutes ago, warbird said:

He plead guilty to lying about a time line.

You say that as if lying to the FBI is not only “no big deal”, it is almost laudable. 

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33 minutes ago, warbird said:

Except the whore and the poser were not connected to the Russian govt, they were plants at best. No collusion!!!

Well, if that were true, then the FBI and Mueller wouldn't really give a shit whether he told the truth or not. They wouldn't even be asking him the time of day.

But they did. And he tried to lie about it. Which means that 1- he's guilty of attempting to conceal an illegal relationship with a foreign government.... and this is guy whom Trump named as one of his top advisors on foreign policy.... and 2- you are falling for the same old sack of shit. Gullible. Rush Limbaugh says "Wow, no biggie, Manafort was only with Trump's campaign for like, what, a week? And he was just a minor flunky" and apparently your brain shuts down those synapses in your own memory, the ones saying "wait, that's not what -you- remember happening."

WB I give you credit for standing against the crowd for your beliefs but lordy, think, man! Or at least give it a try.

-DSK

 

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Wait.  Righties are taking comfort in the Mueller's going after financial crimes predating, and unrelated to, the election?

LOL... oh, wow.

Betcha Donald's not comforted, at all.

 

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10 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Wait.  Righties are taking comfort in the Mueller's going after financial crimes predating, and unrelated to, the election?

LOL... oh, wow.

Betcha Donald's not comforted, at all.

 

Good think he isn't looking into my foundatuion.

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41 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Wait.  Righties are taking comfort in the Mueller's going after financial crimes predating, and unrelated to, the election?

Actually, I think the smart right-wingers know this is bad for the team and are spinning it for the dumb right-wingers to keep hopes alive.

 

41 minutes ago, frenchie said:

LOL... oh, wow.

Betcha Donald's not comforted, at all.

We know he's not comfortable with that. He's already threatened Mueller about going through his family business dealings.

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4 hours ago, Clove Hitch said:

Somebody already pointed out that Al Capone was busted for tax evasion despite all the murdering.  Prosecutors go for what's easiest to get a conviction on. 

You really do have concrete between your ears. 

Nothing that substantial - just a big vacancy.

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5 hours ago, Spatial Ed said:

I think we are seeing Trump supporters in their death throes.

One can hope.

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4 hours ago, warbird said:

......2 or 3 years before he came on the Trump campaign for a week..

While he was running the whole campaign for five months. 

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More bad news for Manafort and Gates A judge has ordered their attorney to provide testimony about them, under a crime fraud exception to the normal rules about attorney-client privilege. 

"The trial hasn’t even started yet, and already, things are going badly for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. An October 2 Memorandum Opinion was unsealed yesterday, in which D.C. District Court Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell decided to compel grand jury testimony from a lawyer representing Manafort and Gates under the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege. The Special Counsel’s Office (referred to as “SCO” throughout the document) sought to compel the testimony of Manafort and Gates’ lawyer (referred to as “the Witness”). Now we know that the grand jury proceedings culminated in indictments, and Judge Howell’s ruling on the this motion to compel testimony is more than a little foreshadowing. The Court’s opinion on this issue allows us to peek into the generally secret grand jury proceedings, and that peek isn’t looking so good for the defendants. 

SNIP 

However, privileges are not absolute; among other exceptions is the “crime-fraud” exception to attorney-client privilege. Under this exception when a privileged relationship is used to further a crime, fraud, or other misconduct, the lawyer doesn’t get to use that relationship as a shield. The concept is easy, but getting a court to agree to use the exception is pretty challenging. In this case, Mueller’s office would have had to prove that the lawyer in question made the communication with the intent to further an unlawful or fraudulent act, and that Manafort and Gates actually carried out the crime or fraud. In other words, the judge at the grand jury proceeding found that there was plenty of evidence that Manafort and Gates had committed crime or fraud. Sure, for purposes of compelling a witness to testify at the grand jury phase, there’s no requirement that the crime or fraud is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and the evidentiary rules are different than they’ll be at trial. But bottom line, a federal judge looked at the evidence available to her and found that the SCO had made a good case for guilt against Manafort and Gates. Not a good start for the former Trump advisers. 

At this point, we don’t know exactly upon which evidence the court relied; however, we do know that at least some of that evidence hasn’t yet been seen by the defendants. The court’s Memorandum explained that the court had “approved the use of ‘in camera, ex parte proceedings to determine the propriety of a grand jury subpoena or the existence of a crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege.’”After those in camera (privately, with the judge), ex parte proceedings (outside the presence of Manafort, Gates, and their counsel), Judge Howell specifically found: 

“…witness testimony and documentary evidence to show that these statements are false, contain half-truths, or are misleading by omission…” 

https://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/grand-jury-docs-have-been-unsealed-and-its-looking-even-worse-for-manafort/

 

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8 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

More bad news for Manafort and Gates A judge has ordered their attorney to provide testimony about them, under a crime fraud exception to the normal rules about attorney-client privilege. 

"The trial hasn’t even started yet, and already, things are going badly for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. An October 2 Memorandum Opinion was unsealed yesterday, in which D.C. District Court Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell decided to compel grand jury testimony from a lawyer representing Manafort and Gates under the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege. The Special Counsel’s Office (referred to as “SCO” throughout the document) sought to compel the testimony of Manafort and Gates’ lawyer (referred to as “the Witness”). Now we know that the grand jury proceedings culminated in indictments, and Judge Howell’s ruling on the this motion to compel testimony is more than a little foreshadowing. The Court’s opinion on this issue allows us to peek into the generally secret grand jury proceedings, and that peek isn’t looking so good for the defendants. 

SNIP 

However, privileges are not absolute; among other exceptions is the “crime-fraud” exception to attorney-client privilege. Under this exception when a privileged relationship is used to further a crime, fraud, or other misconduct, the lawyer doesn’t get to use that relationship as a shield. The concept is easy, but getting a court to agree to use the exception is pretty challenging. In this case, Mueller’s office would have had to prove that the lawyer in question made the communication with the intent to further an unlawful or fraudulent act, and that Manafort and Gates actually carried out the crime or fraud. In other words, the judge at the grand jury proceeding found that there was plenty of evidence that Manafort and Gates had committed crime or fraud. Sure, for purposes of compelling a witness to testify at the grand jury phase, there’s no requirement that the crime or fraud is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and the evidentiary rules are different than they’ll be at trial. But bottom line, a federal judge looked at the evidence available to her and found that the SCO had made a good case for guilt against Manafort and Gates. Not a good start for the former Trump advisers. 

At this point, we don’t know exactly upon which evidence the court relied; however, we do know that at least some of that evidence hasn’t yet been seen by the defendants. The court’s Memorandum explained that the court had “approved the use of ‘in camera, ex parte proceedings to determine the propriety of a grand jury subpoena or the existence of a crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege.’”After those in camera (privately, with the judge), ex parte proceedings (outside the presence of Manafort, Gates, and their counsel), Judge Howell specifically found: 

“…witness testimony and documentary evidence to show that these statements are false, contain half-truths, or are misleading by omission…” 

https://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/grand-jury-docs-have-been-unsealed-and-its-looking-even-worse-for-manafort/

 

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19 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Bail hearing for Manafort-Gates is set for Thursday I bet they will be denied.

????

I thought they paid 5 & 10 $million bail to get house arrest.

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So Manafort has, or rather had, 3, THREE, current US passports!  WTF

Makes it easier to 'prove' that you weren't somewhere huh? Just like Cohen's passport allegedly 'proves' that he wasn't at the Prague meeting mentioned in the dossier - he has 2 passports.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/politics/manafort-3-passports/index.html

Manafort has 3 passports, traveled to China with phone registered under fake name

"Manafort currently has three US passports, each under a different number. He has submitted 10 passport applications in roughly as many years, prosecutors said."

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48 minutes ago, hermetic said:

if you travel a lot, the pages fill up.  gotta get a new one.

if his are not all under his own id, they should keep him under house arrest / anklet

Um..don't you get a new one with the same number..and have the old one stamped or corner clipped? I've got a drawer full Oz and UK but they're all unusable.

Lost one..the number should be cancelled.

Maybe Trump's extremely vetting the wrong country...So much for the rep of US passports

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I suspect this is the direction the Mueller investigation goes....  Illegal business practices and corrupt influence peddling particularly on behalf of foreign governments. Illegal business practices being Trump's biggest vulnerability. The Russian collusion conspiracy thing appears to be going nowhere.

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7 hours ago, badlatitude said:

More bad news for Manafort and Gates A judge has ordered their attorney to provide testimony about them, under a crime fraud exception to the normal rules about attorney-client privilege. 

"The trial hasn’t even started yet, and already, things are going badly for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. An October 2 Memorandum Opinion was unsealed yesterday, in which D.C. District Court Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell decided to compel grand jury testimony from a lawyer representing Manafort and Gates under the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege. The Special Counsel’s Office (referred to as “SCO” throughout the document) sought to compel the testimony of Manafort and Gates’ lawyer (referred to as “the Witness”). Now we know that the grand jury proceedings culminated in indictments, and Judge Howell’s ruling on the this motion to compel testimony is more than a little foreshadowing. The Court’s opinion on this issue allows us to peek into the generally secret grand jury proceedings, and that peek isn’t looking so good for the defendants. 

SNIP 

However, privileges are not absolute; among other exceptions is the “crime-fraud” exception to attorney-client privilege. Under this exception when a privileged relationship is used to further a crime, fraud, or other misconduct, the lawyer doesn’t get to use that relationship as a shield. The concept is easy, but getting a court to agree to use the exception is pretty challenging. In this case, Mueller’s office would have had to prove that the lawyer in question made the communication with the intent to further an unlawful or fraudulent act, and that Manafort and Gates actually carried out the crime or fraud. In other words, the judge at the grand jury proceeding found that there was plenty of evidence that Manafort and Gates had committed crime or fraud. Sure, for purposes of compelling a witness to testify at the grand jury phase, there’s no requirement that the crime or fraud is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and the evidentiary rules are different than they’ll be at trial. But bottom line, a federal judge looked at the evidence available to her and found that the SCO had made a good case for guilt against Manafort and Gates. Not a good start for the former Trump advisers. 

At this point, we don’t know exactly upon which evidence the court relied; however, we do know that at least some of that evidence hasn’t yet been seen by the defendants. The court’s Memorandum explained that the court had “approved the use of ‘in camera, ex parte proceedings to determine the propriety of a grand jury subpoena or the existence of a crime-fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege.’”After those in camera (privately, with the judge), ex parte proceedings (outside the presence of Manafort, Gates, and their counsel), Judge Howell specifically found: 

“…witness testimony and documentary evidence to show that these statements are false, contain half-truths, or are misleading by omission…” 

https://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/grand-jury-docs-have-been-unsealed-and-its-looking-even-worse-for-manafort/

 

They weren't lying, they just put a lower priority on the truth (than honest people do). Don't disparage their integrity. 

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14 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:
1 hour ago, hermetic said:

if you travel a lot, the pages fill up.  gotta get a new one.

if his are not all under his own id, they should keep him under house arrest / anklet

Um..don't you get a new one with the same number..and have the old one stamped or corner clipped? I've got a drawer full Oz and UK but they're all unusable.

Lost one..the number should be cancelled.

Maybe Trump's extremely vetting the wrong country...So much for the rep of US passports

again, if the pages fill up, you have to get a new one

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20 minutes ago, hermetic said:

again, if the pages fill up, you have to get a new one

Prior to January 2016 all you had to do was add pages to your passport. Now you just request a larger passport. If you need a second passport, which is legal, you have to apply for one and fill out a DS-82 and DS-11 form and have a really good reason to do so. Journalist do this quite often. However, three passports are a no-no.

I'm sure if Manafort has three passports, he has a good reason. He's a model citizen and would never try to hide his travel history.

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7 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

????

I thought they paid 5 & 10 $million bail to get house arrest.

They have a hearing Thursday. Mueller has deemed them flight risks with the discovery of multiple passports and large holdings overseas.

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34 minutes ago, bhyde said:
1 hour ago, hermetic said:

again, if the pages fill up, you have to get a new one

Prior to January 2016 all you had to do was add pages to your passport. Now you just request a larger passport. If you need a second passport, which is legal, you have to apply for one and fill out a DS-82 and DS-11 form and have a really good reason to do so. Journalist do this quite often. However, three passports are a no-no.

I'm sure if Manafort has three passports, he has a good reason. He's a model citizen and would never try to hide his travel history.

you cannot hide your travel history from the tsa by having multiple passports

unless they are under different id's

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3 hours ago, bhyde said:

Prior to January 2016 all you had to do was add pages to your passport. Now you just request a larger passport. If you need a second passport, which is legal, you have to apply for one and fill out a DS-82 and DS-11 form and have a really good reason to do so. Journalist do this quite often. However, three passports are a no-no.

I'm sure if Manafort has three passports, he has a good reason. He's a model citizen and would never try to hide his travel history.

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6 hours ago, bhyde said:
6 hours ago, hermetic said:

again, if the pages fill up, you have to get a new one

Prior to January 2016 all you had to do was add pages to your passport. Now you just request a larger passport. If you need a second passport, which is legal, you have to apply for one and fill out a DS-82 and DS-11 form and have a really good reason to do so. Journalist do this quite often. However, three passports are a no-no.

I'm sure if Manafort has three passports, he has a good reason. He's a model citizen and would never try to hide his travel history.

That's not how it was explained to us, about adding pages. We just asked for the big passports when we renewed back in 2012. Since my kids had to renew outside the country they automatically were sent the big ones, since they State department figures you're using it enough to have to apply for a new one through a Consulate...

It's got to be a REALLY good reason to have two active ones I guess, I didn't know they would do this. In my daughter's case, where we renewed through the US Consulate in Fiji when they sent a representative to New Caledonia, they let her hang onto the old one and told us to destroy or deface it. So she had two active looking passports, but only one will scan legally. When we renewed before leaving the states they took ours and returned them with a hole drilled in the corner.

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15 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

It's got to be a REALLY good reason to have two active ones I guess, I didn't know they would do this.

Common reason is visa processing waits, e.g. you need a Myanmar visa which used to take weeks to get and you need to travel internationally in the meantime. Also have known people who'd have one for travel to Israel, another for travel to non-Israel middle east nations. Second passports were shorter duration.

at one time you could ad pages at an embassy, then only directly, now not at all. 

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Hmm Trump's flying to Asia on friday..I wonder who looks at his passport?  It would be kind of amusing if this double passport thing caused a little panic in the  business community.

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5 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Common reason is visa processing waits, e.g. you need a Myanmar visa which used to take weeks to get and you need to travel internationally in the meantime. Also have known people who'd have one for travel to Israel, another for travel to non-Israel middle east nations. Second passports were shorter duration.

at one time you could ad pages at an embassy, then only directly, now not at all. 

yeah..but theyed surely be linked otherwise you'd have all these duplicate, valid passports falling into the hands of terrorists..:rolleyes:

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7 minutes ago, frenchie said:

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last time I renewed, they kept the old one.  I thought that was standard practice for US passports.

In the past (but not recent, I need to renew soon) they've returned it to me with a hole punched through it. Helpful for transferring visas to a new passport.

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33 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I'm not a big fan of David Brooks, but in this one he raised some interesting questions: 

 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/opinion/the-week-trump-won.html

  First, the similarity between those "Ten Days" in Czarist Russia and what is happening here: 

 

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One hundred years ago on Friday, John Reed was in St. Petersburg watching Lenin, Trotsky and the rest of the Bolsheviks take over Russia. It was interesting to read his account, “Ten Days That Shook the World,” this week — the week when Donald Trump and Steve Bannon solidified their grip on the Republican Party and America’s national government.

The big thing you notice from Reed’s reporting is how useful it is to have a secular religion. In the midst of the chaos of 1917, the communists alone knew exactly what they believed. They had a clear intellectual framework that they could use to explain events.

Everything was a clash between noble workers and the corrupt bourgeoisie. They had a clear confidence that history was on their side. They offered lonely and downtrodden people a sense of fraternity and mission.

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Jonathan Sacks, the former chief rabbi of Britain, described that creed well in a speech to the American Enterprise Institute. He pointed out that the phrase, “All men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights,” would have been unintelligible to Plato or Aristotle or anybody raised in a hierarchical society.

 

Trump's appeal to which has giving him his cult of personality stems from his ability to project and image of absolute surety, which was the key for the Bolsheviks. 

 The nut of it, what points to the utter hypocrisy of the US evangelical right's abject support Trumpeviksim:

 

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That biblical ethic, embraced by atheists as much as the faithful, is not in great shape these days. As Sacks notes: “Today, one half of America is losing all those covenantal institutions. It’s losing strong marriages and families and communities. It is losing a strong sense of the American narrative. It’s even losing e pluribus unum because today everyone prefers pluribus to unum.…”

Trump and Bannon have filled the void with their own creed, which is anti-biblical. The American story they tell is not diverse people journeying toward a united future. It’s a zero-sum struggle of class and ethnic conflict. The traits Trump embodies are narcissism, not humility; combativeness, not love; the sanctification of the rich and blindness toward the poor.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Hillary said:

Thank you media for mentioning these years old tax evasion indictments were by the Special Council looking into TRUMPS COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA in every paragraph. I couldn't have spun it any better. 

Fuck you're tiresome. Take a pill.

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7 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Fuck you're tiresome. Take a pill.

Are we sure Hillary isn't Happy Jack?  There is a familiar imperious air emanating from these posts.

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2 hours ago, Hillary said:

Thank you media for mentioning these years old tax evasion indictments were by the Special Council looking into TRUMPS COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA in every paragraph. I couldn't have spun it any better. 

Curious the stacks of evidence of collusion hidden behind the tax issues. I am sure we will see it soon!!!!

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The reason Hillary is still on the the radar is simple. Roger Stone rationalizes that Mueller has to be weakened in order to save the Trump administration from a death by 10,000 cuts, some of which may be severe especially if he tears apart the royal family and its finances.

Therefore, an investigation into Uranium One, whatever that was, means an investigation into why the FBI approved the deal. And, therefore, an investigation into Mueller who was the head of the FBI when it was approved.

Hillary is just the evil witch that keeps on enraging Teahadiis and the solemn witch trials on Cap hill.

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15 minutes ago, warbird said:

Curious the stacks of evidence of collusion hidden behind the tax issues. I am sure we will see it soon!!!!

There is no crime for "collusion."   

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

Curious the stacks of evidence of collusion hidden behind the tax issues. I am sure we will see it soon!!!!

Your answer has been in plain sight since this crime started to unravel.

 

Let’s be clear: An ATTEMPT to get a foreign power’s help in interfering with a U.S. election is a serious felony — even if it fails. Period.

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It's quite a coincidence that Mueller brought charges for money laundering, given that real estate and casinos are prime vehicles for money laundering. Little wonder Trump is upset about all this digging around in financial affairs. I wonder how well he sleeps at night.

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4 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

He'll get a Doctor's note.

Are bone spurs a reasonable defence for conspiracy to defraud the United States?

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Fuck you're tiresome. Take an L pill.

FIFY

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