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6 to 8 new tp52 are expected to be build for 2018 season, as well as not less than 3 AC teams will race on the 52 super series

wonder if any designer will break status quo, or again only Botin and Vrolijk design 

anyone with clue, gossip or tiny hint for the new boats ?

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I think it's safe to guess:

 

azzura - vrojlik

quantum - botin

ran - ???

bella Mente - botin. New team

platoon - botin

team New Zealand - wild card. New team

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8 minutes ago, A-NU-START said:

I think it's safe to guess:

 

azzura - vrojlik

quantum - botin

ran - ???

bella Mente - botin. New team

platoon - botin

team New Zealand - wild card. New team

Ran is out, going 40' sailing I think, Zennstrom was giving his goodbye's at the last regatta. I think there might be some new designers in the mix as the AC related teams sign-up their talent.

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Thought Platoon was vrojlick

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3 hours ago, MKF said:

Thought Platoon was vrojlick

They are, but if your stablemates (quantum) are Botin and you can latch onto some of that sweet sweet AC development technology why wouldn't you switch? 

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On 11/4/2017 at 2:48 PM, A-NU-START said:

I think it's safe to guess:

 

azzura - vrojlik

quantum - botin

ran - ???

bella Mente - botin. New team

platoon - botin

team New Zealand - wild card. New team

talking about botin - this is their latest design , altho 40 ft, seems 2018 tp52 will be very similar  :

http://www.botinpartners.com/project.php?id=76

same time carkeek designs are winners last 2 years in FAST40+ Series, and was thinking if someone consider them as alternative to botin/vrolijk 

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4 minutes ago, zlobko said:

talking about botin - this is their latest design , altho 40 ft, seems 2018 tp52 will be very similar  :

http://www.botinpartners.com/project.php?id=76

same time carkeek designs are winners last 2 years in FAST40+ Series, and was thinking if someone consider them as alternative to botin/vrolijk 

Problem with that design is that the bow does not fit the 52 class rule...

And last designer to win a race in the 52 Super Series that wasn't from Botin or JV was actually Reichel-Pugh. 

When building new boats for the 2015 rule, it showed that the yard has to have experience as well to ensure you're bang on target. Going to JV or Botin and having your boat built by King (VLC), Longitud Cero or Persico will mean you'll win some races and your boat will be competitive. Going RP, Mills, Farr or Carkeek and build the boat elsewhere does not mean you won't be competitive just that chances are you're off the pace in this highly developed fleet.

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Well said , and agree - can add also Juan K to the list with his non orthodox Origin design :).

But I mention Carkeek, as Platoon already have winning experience with them :
http://www.carkeekdesignpartners.com/c47-platoon-wins-orc-overall-keil-week-2014/

BAR already have Gladiator platform, so interesting to see designs for :
Paprec
Provezza
Sled
ETNZ
 

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Well the Azzura is going to Australia I bet. Quantum probably to stick around as an AC development boat. Then who knows about the rest. 

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On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 8:00 AM, zlobko said:

Well said , and agree - can add also Juan K to the list with his non orthodox Origin design :).

But I mention Carkeek, as Platoon already have winning experience with them :
http://www.carkeekdesignpartners.com/c47-platoon-wins-orc-overall-keil-week-2014/

BAR already have Gladiator platform, so interesting to see designs for :
Paprec
Provezza
Sled
ETNZ
 

I think if other designers start working more on the rule then they will get up to speed and produce fast boats. They already have the Botin and JV's to study what has been working. I would think at this stage most know which corner of the box is fast, small tweaks to fit in a range of expected conditions.

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On 4.11.2017 г. at 2:48 PM, A-NU-START said:

I think it's safe to guess:

 

azzura - vrojlik   Botin

quantum - botin

ran - ???

bella Mente - botin. New team

platoon - botin

team New Zealand - wild card. New team

Azura boat is Botin and build by King Marine :

King Marine Announces the construction of two new TP52

King Marine will build two brand new TP52 for the 2018 seasson. We appreciate the trust of Azzurra and Onda teams who has chosen once again our boat yard. 
The two sister ships will be designed by Botin Partners and already under construction at Valencia.

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On 11/11/2017 at 6:06 PM, A-NU-START said:

Onda?

quantum was usually longitud cero

Onda is the new Brazilian boat, owner formerly had Phoenix. 

New Q Racing to be built in the U.S.

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On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 1:13 PM, Mr. Squirrel said:

When I read Dean Barker was going to be driving Quantum Racing, I assumed he would drive the old boat while the NYYC boys would get the new boat.

MS

Does this mean Ed B. will sail with BAR/Gladiator as far as the AC goes?

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so far 2018 :
 
Quanum - Botin desigh - building by Composite Buiilders Michigan
Platoon - Vrolijk design
Provesa - Vrolijk design 
Azzura - Botin design - building King Marine
Onda(Phonenix) - Botin design - building King Marine

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Seahorse magazine december 2017 say  seven Botin boats :
 
Alegre - Botin - building Longitud Cero
Azzura - Botin design - building King Marine
Luna Rosa - Botin design - building Persico

Onda - Botin - building - bulding King Marine
Phonenix - Botin design - building Persico
Quanum - Botin desigh - building by Composite Buiilders Michigan
Sled - Botin - building Core Composites 

Platoon - Vrolijk design - building Premier

Provesa - Vrolijk design - building Persico

Gladiator Botin crop 2016 

so far no info for ETNZ, Sorcha, Ran, Paprec

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^^^^^   they should just sail the entire AC series in the TP52 class boats.  Clearly a durable class long-term,  not every boat needs to "fly" and for sure more trickle-down for the rest of us conventional sailors all 'round the world.

This new swiss-army knife looking AC contraption is bizarre.

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On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 9:08 AM, 1sailor said:

^^^^^   they should just sail the entire AC series in the TP52 class boats.  Clearly a durable class long-term,  not every boat needs to "fly" and for sure more trickle-down for the rest of us conventional sailors all 'round the world.

This new swiss-army knife looking AC contraption is bizarre.

I begged for this over the last two Cup series since 2010...

They are too hooked on this foiling craze.

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On 17/11/2017 at 6:46 AM, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

RAN are out of the TP52's and moving to the Fast40+ class.

What sort of Fast40+ have they bought? That new Botin??

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Don't know if that's their new boat, all I heard from 1 of the crew before he left for the last 52 regatta for the season was they were out of the 52s and into the Fast40s next season.

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14 hours ago, grindit said:

What sort of Fast40+ have they bought? That new Botin??

Carkeek.

doing four 3-day events in the UK (and 1 week-long) + 1 overseas (One Ton Cup in Holland) is a lot less travelling than six 10-day events all across the Med as well as the obvious difference in cost (with the pro-am rules in place within the class for instance, as well as the limit on sails).

All-in-all it should be pretty darn good bang for the buck.

none of the in-build Botins are coming to the UK AFAIK

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On 11/27/2017 at 8:08 AM, 1sailor said:

^^^^^   they should just sail the entire AC series in the TP52 class boats.  Clearly a durable class long-term,  not every boat needs to "fly" and for sure more trickle-down for the rest of us conventional sailors all 'round the world.

This new swiss-army knife looking AC contraption is bizarre.

I really thought if they went to monohulls it would be a 70ish foot TP52. I agree with you the new idea is just stupid.

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Cammas mentioned in an interview in Melbourne that he will be doing the super series...New boat or with paprec?

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19 hours ago, ASP said:

Cammas mentioned in an interview in Melbourne that he will be doing the super series...New boat or with paprec?

On old Quantum 

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27 minutes ago, DamnSkippy said:

Any new's on why Q scrapped the USA build and went to Spain to build?

Check out compositebuilders.com and draw your own conclusions.  i sure don't see any 52' sailboats in their portfolio.  

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3 minutes ago, jackolantern said:

FTFY

My guess based on the location is that DeVos funded the company.  With no proven track record building boats there was just way too much risk.  All of these are guesses but they seem reasonable.  I'll further guess that they will spit out a one-off in the next year for DeVos and/or his kids to knock around in.  Again, all speculation on my part but I think it's reasonable.  

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9 hours ago, DamnSkippy said:

Any new's on why Q scrapped the USA build and went to Spain to build?

Longitude Cero DamnSkippy?

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9 new boats hitting the water in fairly rapid succession. And the class was declared 'dead' after Audi pulled out.

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Azzurra has been sailing in VLC and there was a Quantum Racing video of the new build on social media. Ex Brononosec now Interlodge has left RI bound for the West coast on a truck for Pac52 racing.

 

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First event in Europe done for the Super Series boats at Palma Vela, new builds fill the top 5 spots with Azzura, possibly the longest time on the water, in first with Quantum, Platoon, Sled and Phoenix. Gladiator, back in her old war paint gets 6th, with the new Alegre 7th. 

http://www.palmavela.com/resultados/resulta/overall_tp52.html

Going to be an interesting season as it's been a while since there were so many new boats on the line. Provezza have just launched in Ancona and will go straight to Sibenik to join the other boats for the first event.

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On 1/12/2018 at 1:22 AM, Cal20sailor said:

My guess based on the location is that DeVos funded the company.  

Confirmed negative on this one.   Yes, they are friends.   Brian started that co. all on his own, and I was there to watch as it happened in a building owned by me.  Give the man some credit !

With no proven track record building boats there was just way too much risk.  

Well, aside from building a few boats for the Oracle AC teams and such.  Granted he was an Oracle employee at t hat time but there is certainly relevant experience.

All of these are guesses but they seem reasonable.  I'll further guess that they will spit out a one-off in the next year for DeVos and/or his kids to knock around in.  Again, all speculation on my part but I think it's reasonable.  

SA is full of people 'guessing' and I dont pretend to be the authority on anything here but your guesses are only that.  The move to Longitude was a no-harm, no-foul deal as they already had a mold built in spain they could spit out a second hull very quickly which was an advantage for the team.   Watch for cool stuff from Composite Builders soon.

 

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3 hours ago, Jazz Freak said:

looks nice anyway Luna Rossa

 

What's up with the shape of that bulb?  Looks like a pretty fast hard taper back to the beaver tail.  I'm sure that there are test results, but haven't seen anything like it before, I don't think.  Any better shots?  

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23 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

 

What's up with the shape of that bulb?  Looks like a pretty fast hard taper back to the beaver tail.  I'm sure that there are test results, but haven't seen anything like it before, I don't think.  Any better shots?  

Looks like a small generational evolution of a regular Botin bulb and fin. Slightly confused with the 46 Bow number though. 

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