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Old NORLAM from North Sails

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Helped a friend switch out an old furling genoa on his 60' cruiser in Keppel, Singapore yesterday.  We changed him to a North Sails 130% genoa which he'd had in storage for a few years that came with the boat.  He's heading off for extensive cruising and has a J3 + staysail in reserve should this sail let him down.

The stitching in it is still good (triple stitch), a lot of mildew, but cosmetic only.  The base cloth has developed that crisp packet sound and you can feel some movement between the layers indicating de-lam.  On the face of it - the outer layers look robust and in tact - it's just that it appears something has gone on in the middle where either the adhesive has gone or a base layer material has broken down within the outer layers...

His dacron sails which are equivalent in age look fine - it's just this Norlam sail which is suspect. He's planning some tropical cruising, up to Langkawi, Phuket etc - and then possibly back down to Oz.  Does anyone here know Norlam - how much is its construction reliant upon the material enclosed within the top layer for strength?  Being a cruiser, he's not worried about perfect sail shape so performance isn't part of his decision making (within reason).

My question is this; is the Norlam cloth going to be OK, or should I advise him that it is likely to let him down? 

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use the dacron genoa, if there is any de-lam it will only get worse. Why risk having the sail fail at the worst possible time. Use the dacron for peace of mind.

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My experience with this area is that once you get that "pillow"  effect of delam,  it is only a matter of time.  Have you considered checking in with a local North rep ?

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That's common in old laminate sails. It's toast, throw it in the dumpster. Cut off any useful bits of hardware, like O-rings, alum leechline cleat, and kevcord leechline if it has one. 

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+1 to all the above. We set off across the Atlantic with 5+ headsails and a main, all NORLAN about 10 years old with some miles on them and some crispy patches as you describe. Sail maker looked them all over and ranked them, but the ranking should have been put them in the trash (not all his fault, there wasn't time to build new sails pre-race). We filled a dumpster on the other side with all of these sails; would have been much better leaving the dock with the old Dacron sails.

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