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8 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I am not aware of anyone who withdrew their suits; they may have decided not to file charges because he is too powerful to take on and he has a reputation as a bruiser, recall that he pulled health care from his seriously disabled nephew to win a lawsuit. Regardless, Summer Zervos has an active lawsuit and has no intention of giving up her pursuit under the law.

A little cock and a gift cart to Macy's and she will drop it.

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19 minutes ago, Rumbulls said:

If the women withdrew their complaints... why would I judge him any different?

 

Who withdrew their complaints?

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3 minutes ago, kmacdonald said:

A little cock and a gift cart to Macy's and she will drop it.

She already got her little cock and she's only asking for $3,000 bucks so that no one will accuse her of taking a shot at money.

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6 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

She already got her little cock and she's only asking for $3,000 bucks so that no one will accuse her of taking a shot at money.

That's what I said.  $3k is is a gift card amount for Macy's.  You didn't think she was worth more did you?

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Just now, kmacdonald said:

That's what I said.  $3k is is a gift card amount for Macy's.  You didn't think she was worth more did you?

I think she's worth a lot more if she wins that case.

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14 minutes ago, Sean said:

Who withdrew their complaints?

The young one dropped her suit (her lawsuit, not her clothes) after she got enough death threats. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

The young one dropped her suit (her lawsuit, not her clothes) after she got enough death threats. 

 

 

I can't help but wonder if she'll revive that suit as she gets older.

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1 minute ago, badlatitude said:

I can't help but wonder if she'll revive that suit as she gets older.

If a Washington Compost reporter with a few lawyers get to her right before and election and she wants his opponent to win----sure.

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5 minutes ago, kmacdonald said:

If a Washington Compost reporter with a few lawyers get to her right before and election and she wants his opponent to win----sure.

I doubt it, Girls raped at13-years-old are usually to traumatized to react like that. 

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36 minutes ago, Sean said:

Who withdrew their complaints?

I suspect either threats or under the table buyouts are the reason.

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34 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

I doubt it, Girls raped at13-years-old are usually to traumatized to react like that. 

You mean young and impressionable?  Easy to manipulate by someone with ulterior motives?

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8 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Everybody was anti-homo in the 70s....  Do you think, absent a continued pattern of behavior, that it's appropriate to judge someone now by something said then?   As it pertains to Franken - it looks like there's more coming to light that might suggest such a pattern, but, I'd appreciate you addressing the question in a broader context. 

 

Yup - awesome wife, 4 daughters.  I have taught them to decide for themselves what appropriate boundaries are and to be strong enough to enforce those boundaries.  Neither would accept being treated as a decoration.   If they were this age 30/40 years ago?   I think that would be a different question, as attitudes have changed significantly since then.

They haven't changed that much in 30/40 years. I'm 51, and when I was 20 sexual harassment was something I was very cognizant of. I have a very, very distinct memory of a lovely lass that came to work for me on the dinner shift I supervised in college. Green eyes to die for, cute as hell and really nice. And she reported directly to me, her boss, who was responsible for her evaluations and job assignments on our work-study jobs, who could also discipline her or fire her. She hated working in food service though, so when she quit I asked her out. But not until she quit. (She shot me down...politely.)

Way way back in the dark ages of the late 80s, even then, in the deep recesses of my primitive cultural thinking, I was COMPLETELY aware that asking her out, even flirting with her heavily, would be WAY out of line when she worked for me. We knew the rules...the dining halls where we worked were very target-rich environments and students were constantly meeting and hooking up. Hell, I got to know my wife because she supervised Mon-Fri dinner and was the boss on Wed-Sun. I dated more than a few other supervisors and workers from other shifts. Two fellow supervisors ended up getting married before they graduated (and among the first of my peers divorced...). There was a lot of flirting and workplace antics.

But we knew, even then, that you didn't hit on your own staff. It just wasn't smart or wise and was totally inappropriate. Even for a stupid part-time cafeteria work-study job making $4.00 an hour ladling out turkey tetrazzini. If memory serves it was part of our Supervisor training.

This stuff is not new. The only thing that is really new is men getting called out on it, and women speaking out and getting supported. We had pigs back then, and we have pigs now. That hasn't changed in the least.

And I agree...in the 70's people were ignorant as fuck about homosexuality and gays. Most of us outgrew that.

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5 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

 

And I agree...in the 70's people were ignorant as fuck about homosexuality and gays. Most of us outgrew that.

Just like people today are ignorant about peds.  Psychologist now believe ped is a sexual orientation just like gay and lesbians.  They say we're still burning witches at the stake.

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Trump Whitehouse:  Franken should resign because he admitted it.  Trump and Moore shouldn't because they denied it.

Should Franken just deny it so they can be consistent?

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42 minutes ago, kmacdonald said:

Just like people today are ignorant about peds.  Psychologist now believe ped is a sexual orientation just like gay and lesbians.  They say we're still burning witches at the stake.

I still don't get the NAMBLA scene. I wish we could burn these peds at the stake.

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9 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

I still don't get the NAMBLA scene. I wish we could burn these peds at the stake.

Do you still think we should burn gays and lesbians at the stake?  Some countries do that.

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1 hour ago, kmacdonald said:

Just like people today are ignorant about peds.  Psychologist now believe ped is a sexual orientation just like gay and lesbians.  They say we're still burning witches at the stake.

you are probably quite correct, except molesting 14-16 year olds is not actually pedophilia. Theres a difference between peds and rainbow people..rainbow people do no harm.

Your common garden variety psychopathic serial woman killer probable has a rather odd sexual orientation too..getting off on dead women ..now..can you see the difference?

do no harm=do as you please.

do harm=go to gaol 

It's really not that hard.

Damm..you trolled me :D

 

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Was Franken "groping" photo photoshopped in 2009?

On Twitter, an IT professional has analyzed the photo EXIF data and it reveals that the original was taken at 5 PM on Dec. 21 (not on Christmas Eve, as the victim stated) and that it was altered three years later -- right after Franken won his first election. 

1 - Thread. 
About @SenFranken 
EXIF data - the stuff cameras stamp on the digital versions of files? It protects, among other things the copyright of the photographer by LITERALLY stamping the date on when the snap was taken. 

It ALSO records the last time a photo was modified. 
 
 

1 - Thread. 
About @SenFranken 
EXIF data - the stuff cameras stamp on the digital versions of files? It protects, among other things the copyright of the photographer by LITERALLY stamping the date on when the snap was taken. 

It ALSO records the last time a photo was modified.

10:46 PM - Nov 16, 2017

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Looks like righties up to their usual no good.

 

A Twitter Account With Two Fake IDs Accused a Democrat of Assault. Then Pro-Trump Sites Ran With It

Source: The Daily Beast



Linda Flores emerged on Twitter to allege that she was assaulted by Sen. Richard Blumenthal. He denies it. And she may not actually exist. 

BEN COLLINS 
GIDEON RESNICK 
SAM STEIN 
11.17.17 4:50 PM ET 

A woman claiming to be from Connecticut made an explosive allegation of sexual assault against Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) on Friday. Her account quickly made its way through conservative chat forums, where contributors roundly called for the Senator to address the allegations and be held accountable for them. 

But it is not entirely clear that the woman making the charge actually exists. In fact, a quick search shows that the account ripped off bio photos of women in Texas and London and misspelled the name of the accuser’s Connecticut hometown. The account was quickly shut down once the accusation went viral on rightwing media, with the user then emerging to claim she’d been hacked. After that, the account was suspended. And in a statement to The Daily Beast, Blumenthal’s office strongly denied the charge. 

It began at 5:56 pm, on Thursday, when the initial tweet was posted. In it, “Linda Flores” said that she had “waited almost 40 years to tell my story” about how she was “an intern at a law office with @SenBlumenthal & was sexually assaulted by richard countless times.” 

“Told the story to my husband has been eaten me alive since,” Flores tweeted. 

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This is a lot to digest. Lets not pretend that we were all ignorant that this kind of thing was commonplace. We have all know men who told sexual jokes, made crude references to women, talked behind the backs and abused their position in hiring, advancing and firing to coerce favors. 

But, it isn't as simple as men can be bad. Women in the work place come in different varieties as well. Some actually do flirt and invite male attention, even crude sexual attention. The worst ones will even use their sexuality to advance themselves. 

To be fair I can imagine that men can be confused and unsure what is acceptable given that each woman can and does have a different rulebook.

I have also witnessed cases where women have actively flirted and been affectionate with managers at parties who rudely and publicly redress lower staff positions  for innocent compliments. 

There is also a worry that the standards of evidence are equally ill defined. We are told women should be believed but we know there are cases where false accusation have been made. I don't pretend to know how you regulate this. It is often a he said she said with no tangible evidence. 

The matter get worse when it is politicians and only perception matters. It is plausible that accusers could have a political motive for their accusation or on the flip side some may be  discouraged from reporting it because they will be accused of having a political agenda. 

I do have a suggestion. 

  1. If a person feels they have or are being subjected to harassment they can do these things.
  2. Keep a journal and document each event. A private twitter or facebook account is perfect for this as it timestamps and certifies each entry. Include the names of those who were present. 
  3. If you don't want to complain to the company or organization. Consider a registered letter to the offender stating your objection so they know they crossed a line and that you are serious. If the offense is small enough an apology and promise not to repeat can fix it, then make that known to them in the letter. 
  4. If you don't trust a situation don't be alone with the person. It is alway appropriate to ask that a senior manager or a person from HR sit in on any private meeting after a prior incident has occurred. Frankly it makes it safer for both parties. 

At the very least it is easy to see why this has been such an intractable problem. Right now we are seeing high profile entertainers and politicians getting fingered. I'm not sure this will help the average office worker. Public opinion it a great lever against the famous  but more solid evidence it needed against a non famous coworker. 

 

 

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Interesting conclusions, is it possible this was a set-up?

 

Here's what we know/can prove without a doubt. 
1. Mrs. Tweeden submitted this file to her station and had it inserted into her article accusing Mr. Franken. 

2. Her allegation about the photo is that it was taken without her knowledge on Christmas Eve 2006 during a 36 hour flight home at the end of the tour is fucking FALSE 

The photo has metadata stating it was a .jpg created with a Nikon D2H camera (the kind used by Combat Camera, USO photogs). The jpg was created on 12/21/06 at 17:19 PM (Assuming PST). 

#FindThePhotographer 

[link:https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607993492592656| 

Also the soldier who claims to have been Frankens security escort the entire time, and even in the bathroom says she’s lying! 
https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607813639277308 

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4 hours ago, Rumbulls said:

If the women withdrew their complaints... why would I judge him any different?

 

No conviction, no crime.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

you are probably quite correct, except molesting 14-16 year olds is not actually pedophilia. Theres a difference between peds and rainbow people..rainbow people do no harm.

Your common garden variety psychopathic serial woman killer probable has a rather odd sexual orientation too..getting off on dead women ..now..can you see the difference?

do no harm=do as you please.

do harm=go to gaol 

It's really not that hard.

Damm..you trolled me :D

 

My best catch ever!

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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Interesting conclusions, is it possible this was a set-up?

 

Here's what we know/can prove without a doubt. 
1. Mrs. Tweeden submitted this file to her station and had it inserted into her article accusing Mr. Franken. 

2. Her allegation about the photo is that it was taken without her knowledge on Christmas Eve 2006 during a 36 hour flight home at the end of the tour is fucking FALSE 

The photo has metadata stating it was a .jpg created with a Nikon D2H camera (the kind used by Combat Camera, USO photogs). The jpg was created on 12/21/06 at 17:19 PM (Assuming PST). 

#FindThePhotographer 

[link:https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607993492592656| 

Also the soldier who claims to have been Frankens security escort the entire time, and even in the bathroom says she’s lying! 
https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607813639277308 

Didn't I tell ya? Vast right wing conspiracy. bimbo, stalker, don't believe the woman. 

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40 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Didn't I tell ya? Vast right wing conspiracy. bimbo, stalker, don't believe the woman. 

Funny how facts have a way of ruining right wing stories.

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2 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Interesting conclusions, is it possible this was a set-up?

 

Here's what we know/can prove without a doubt. 
1. Mrs. Tweeden submitted this file to her station and had it inserted into her article accusing Mr. Franken. 

2. Her allegation about the photo is that it was taken without her knowledge on Christmas Eve 2006 during a 36 hour flight home at the end of the tour is fucking FALSE 

The photo has metadata stating it was a .jpg created with a Nikon D2H camera (the kind used by Combat Camera, USO photogs). The jpg was created on 12/21/06 at 17:19 PM (Assuming PST). 

#FindThePhotographer 

[link:https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607993492592656| 

Also the soldier who claims to have been Frankens security escort the entire time, and even in the bathroom says she’s lying! 
https://www.facebook.com/madprogress/posts/1607813639277308 

That explains why Dog’s thread disappeared. 

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12 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

Funny how facts have a way of ruining right wing stories.

Facts have a well known left wing bias.

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I always thought that truth was a fundamental component of facts.

Are there false facts? (in the real world, not the Republican world).

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10 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I always thought that truth was a fundamental component of facts.

Are there false facts? (in the real world, not the Republican world).

Disinformation has become art.

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11 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I always thought that truth was a fundamental component of facts.

Are there false facts? (in the real world, not the Republican world).

Not really false. "Alternative" you might say.

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4 hours ago, badlatitude said:



2. Her allegation about the photo is that it was taken without her knowledge on Christmas Eve 2006 during a 36 hour flight home at the end of the tour is fucking FALSE 

 

I think we could let that one go. There is no outrage advantage gained by giving the wrong date by a few days. Easy mistake to make. 

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

I always thought that truth was a fundamental component of facts.

Are there false facts? (in the real world, not the Republican world).

What is this "real world" of which you speak?

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29 minutes ago, Dex Sawash said:

I think we could let that one go. There is no outrage advantage gained by giving the wrong date by a few days. Easy mistake to make. 

It deserves some exploration, there is a big difference between being on tour and being on a 36-hour flight.

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3 hours ago, badlatitude said:

Disinformation has become art.

But not facts.

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Franken apologized, and rightfully so. The Dogs of the world will stretch that to apply to groping the woman, or any number of things just short of kidnapping the Lindbergh baby. Not talking about you Remod. I’m talking about Dog playing “move the football under the pile”.  

Any time Roger Stone is involved, there is something dishonest afoot. Be careful. 

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4 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

Upon careful review, did he?

Looks to me like he set a trap for Trump.  And Moore.  

A parting shot, as it were.

1st quarter, Greek tragedy.....

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@Doggot me reconsidering my position on this.  Does the photo show contact with the sleeping beauty?  Is there an air gap?  Did Franken admit to groping her?  The photo looks like a locker room prank.  His expression indicates the levity of the moment and not an intent to assault.  Have there been other women coming forward documenting similar behavior?

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1 minute ago, Spatial Ed said:

Dog got me reconsidering my position on this.  Does the photo show contact with the sleeping beauty?  Is there an air gap?  Did Franken admit to groping her?  The photo looks like a locker room prank.  His expression indicates the levity of the moment and not an intent to assault.

While crass and "locker room," the photo is not the issue, it's the ramming of his tongue down her throat that is problematic.

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8 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Franken apologized, and rightfully so. The Dogs of the world will stretch that to apply to groping the woman, or any number of things just short of kidnapping the Lindbergh baby. Not talking about you Remod. I’m talking about Dog playing “move the football under the pile”.  

Any time Roger Stone is involved, there is something dishonest afoot. Be careful. 

No worries Sol, you're spot on.

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1 minute ago, Remodel said:

While crass and "locker room," the photo is not the issue, it's the ramming of his tongue down her throat that is problematic.

A stage kiss gone too far.  Lock him up!

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18 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

A stage kiss gone too far.  Lock him up!

No one's saying that. Although those are pretty tough words from a guy who"s interest is "Moving on Ivanka like a bitch..."

 

Look, we should all be holding ourselves and our elected officials to a high standard on this. This goes for Democrats as well as Republicans. The Dogs of the world want to use this as propaganda to excuse or minimize the actions of the Trumps and Moores. Theirs' is the mantra of agenda over principle, party over country.

Personally, I'm fed up with the whole thing, and prefer to call a spade a spade. Let the chips fall where they may. America can survive only so long as honorable men and women do the honorable thing. Trump and his cronies have no honor, no shame and no remorse, and I fear for our great country.

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Just now, Remodel said:

No one's saying that. Although those are pretty tough words from a guy who"s interest is "Moving on Ivanka like a bitch..."

 

Look, we should all be holding ourselves and our elected officials to a high standard on this. This goes for Democrats as well as Republicans. The Dogs of the world want to use this as propaganda to excuse or minimize the actions of the Trumps and Moores. Theirs' is the mantra of agenda over principle, party over country.

Personally, I'm fed up with the whole thing, and prefer to call a spade a spade. Let the chips fall where they may. America can survive only so long as honorable men and women do the honorable thing. Trump and his cronies have non honor, no shame and no remorse, and I fear for our great country.

I'm with you.  A single stage kiss gone tonsils deep is one thing.  Predatory behavior is another.  

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2 hours ago, Remodel said:

No one's saying that. Although those are pretty tough words from a guy who"s interest is "Moving on Ivanka like a bitch..."

 

Lock him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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4 hours ago, Remodel said:

While crass and "locker room," the photo is not the issue, it's the ramming of his tongue down her throat that is problematic.

That's a hell of a long tongue.

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4 hours ago, Remodel said:

No one's saying that. Although those are pretty tough words from a guy who"s interest is "Moving on Ivanka like a bitch..."

 

Look, we should all be holding ourselves and our elected officials to a high standard on this. This goes for Democrats as well as Republicans. The Dogs of the world want to use this as propaganda to excuse or minimize the actions of the Trumps and Moores. Theirs' is the mantra of agenda over principle, party over country.

Personally, I'm fed up with the whole thing, and prefer to call a spade a spade. Let the chips fall where they may. America can survive only so long as honorable men and women do the honorable thing. Trump and his cronies have no honor, no shame and no remorse, and I fear for our great country.

In all seriousness, you are correct.

There's a lot of fun to be had in threads like this - juvenile jokes and baiting fanatics and so forth - but when it comes down to reality, your comments are 100% correct.

If you would find it unacceptable for your wife or daughter to be on the receiving end then the pig should go.

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I was talking to an ex GF today, and she brought up the Moore/Franken situation. I expressed my opinion, and she expressed hers. "First thing is" She said "He was not groping Tweeden. His hands were several inches away from her breasts, and there was a kevlar fucking vest in between!"

"Second" she said "It was a theater kiss! Give me a break!"

 This coming from a professional woman with several international industrial patents, and a fairly large client base..... And she's not a liberal..... May be why she's an ex.....

On Moore: "He's a skeevy bastard. How many guys get banned from a fucking mall because they're stalking young girls?"

Oh, and she's a Methodist....

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The rationalization begins. First attack the accuser. Throw out all the possible motives. Each one will resonate with a few more. Then mitigate and laugh off the offense. Stage Kiss. I like that one. If the Stage Kiss in question is Gene Simmons then I guess the tongue is a given. 

The flack vest is another good one. So what is the legal fabric thickness here to negate a copped feel? 

The thing here is we all know Al Franken and he is such a decent guy that this must have been truly out of character for him. I can't imagine he ever did this to anyone else. 

No way this was a pattern of behavior. 

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Clearly, this USO tour relied only on the cleanest of humor and there was never any untoward sexual humor or comedy with the performers. I can't imagine how any off-color humor of a sexual nature could ever come up backstage, off stage, or between cast members.

 

 

DISCLAIMER: The guy with the guitar is not Al Franken, and Ms. Tweeden is of course under no obligation to play grabass with Mr. Franken just because she does here with this fellow. Nor does this justify any actions which may have been taken by Mr. Franken. The point is, for the slow ones in the room, that a bunch of actors and comedians putting on a bawdy show...tend to engage in bawdy humor and jokes.

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

Clearly, this USO tour relied only on the cleanest of humor and there was never any untoward sexual humor or comedy with the performers. I can't imagine how any off-color humor of a sexual nature could ever come up backstage, off stage, or between cast members.

 

 

DISCLAIMER: The guy with the guitar is not Al Franken, and Ms. Tweeden is of course under no obligation to play grabass with Mr. Franken just because she does here with this fellow. Nor does this justify any actions which may have been taken by Mr. Franken. The point is, for the slow ones in the room, that a bunch of actors and comedians putting on a bawdy show...tend to engage in bawdy humor and jokes.

Yup she was asking for it. Playboy bunnies, prostitutes, strippers and porn stars surendered their rights. Grope and rape away boys, it's open season no bag limit. 

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15 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Yup she was asking for it. Playboy bunnies, prostitutes, strippers and porn stars surendered their rights. Grope and rape away boys, it's open season no bag limit. 

Especially around your president.  

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2 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

Especially around your president.  

Some of us have the stupidest trolls on ignore. 

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On 11/17/2017 at 3:46 PM, B.J. Porter said:

They haven't changed that much in 30/40 years. I'm 51, and when I was 20 sexual harassment was something I was very cognizant of. I have a very, very distinct memory of a lovely lass that came to work for me on the dinner shift I supervised in college. Green eyes to die for, cute as hell and really nice. And she reported directly to me, her boss, who was responsible for her evaluations and job assignments on our work-study jobs, who could also discipline her or fire her. She hated working in food service though, so when she quit I asked her out. But not until she quit. (She shot me down...politely.)

Way way back in the dark ages of the late 80s, even then, in the deep recesses of my primitive cultural thinking, I was COMPLETELY aware that asking her out, even flirting with her heavily, would be WAY out of line when she worked for me. We knew the rules...the dining halls where we worked were very target-rich environments and students were constantly meeting and hooking up. Hell, I got to know my wife because she supervised Mon-Fri dinner and was the boss on Wed-Sun. I dated more than a few other supervisors and workers from other shifts. Two fellow supervisors ended up getting married before they graduated (and among the first of my peers divorced...). There was a lot of flirting and workplace antics.

But we knew, even then, that you didn't hit on your own staff. It just wasn't smart or wise and was totally inappropriate. Even for a stupid part-time cafeteria work-study job making $4.00 an hour ladling out turkey tetrazzini. If memory serves it was part of our Supervisor training.

This stuff is not new. The only thing that is really new is men getting called out on it, and women speaking out and getting supported. We had pigs back then, and we have pigs now. That hasn't changed in the least.

And I agree...in the 70's people were ignorant as fuck about homosexuality and gays. Most of us outgrew that.

Sexual harassment has always been around and always will be.  I don’t understand why anyone would do it in the workplace but they do.

i don’t think people were necessarily ignorant about homosexuality and gays back then.   I think that now days there are simply much worse someone could be.   

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1 minute ago, Rockdog said:
On 11/18/2017 at 7:46 AM, B.J. Porter said:

They haven't changed that much in 30/40 years. I'm 51, and when I was 20 sexual harassment was something I was very cognizant of. I have a very, very distinct memory of a lovely lass that came to work for me on the dinner shift I supervised in college. Green eyes to die for, cute as hell and really nice. And she reported directly to me, her boss, who was responsible for her evaluations and job assignments on our work-study jobs, who could also discipline her or fire her. She hated working in food service though, so when she quit I asked her out. But not until she quit. (She shot me down...politely.)

Way way back in the dark ages of the late 80s, even then, in the deep recesses of my primitive cultural thinking, I was COMPLETELY aware that asking her out, even flirting with her heavily, would be WAY out of line when she worked for me. We knew the rules...the dining halls where we worked were very target-rich environments and students were constantly meeting and hooking up. Hell, I got to know my wife because she supervised Mon-Fri dinner and was the boss on Wed-Sun. I dated more than a few other supervisors and workers from other shifts. Two fellow supervisors ended up getting married before they graduated (and among the first of my peers divorced...). There was a lot of flirting and workplace antics.

But we knew, even then, that you didn't hit on your own staff. It just wasn't smart or wise and was totally inappropriate. Even for a stupid part-time cafeteria work-study job making $4.00 an hour ladling out turkey tetrazzini. If memory serves it was part of our Supervisor training.

This stuff is not new. The only thing that is really new is men getting called out on it, and women speaking out and getting supported. We had pigs back then, and we have pigs now. That hasn't changed in the least.

And I agree...in the 70's people were ignorant as fuck about homosexuality and gays. Most of us outgrew that.

Sexual harassment has always been around and always will be.  I don’t understand why anyone would do it in the workplace but they do.

i don’t think people were necessarily ignorant about homosexuality and gays back then.   I think that now days there are simply much worse someone could be.   

Oh yeah, come on. You're close to my age. Think back to when noise AIDS first started up....the jokes, the scoffing. Look at the rampant homophobia in media even from the 80s and 90s, when gay characters were typically the butt of jokes and not really serious characters. The preconceptions and social expectations were rampant.

Sexual harassment has been around since the first mixed-sex business situation. But awareness of sexual harassment and proactive education to avoid it are other things entirely.

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24 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Oh yeah, come on. You're close to my age. Think back to when noise AIDS first started up....the jokes, the scoffing. Look at the rampant homophobia in media even from the 80s and 90s, when gay characters were typically the butt of jokes and not really serious characters. The preconceptions and social expectations were rampant.

Sexual harassment has been around since the first mixed-sex business situation. But awareness of sexual harassment and proactive education to avoid it are other things entirely.

The jokes are still around.  The scoffing is still around.  People are just much more careful to keep their snowflake radar on at all times.   

 

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17 minutes ago, Rockdog said:
52 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Oh yeah, come on. You're close to my age. Think back to when noise AIDS first started up....the jokes, the scoffing. Look at the rampant homophobia in media even from the 80s and 90s, when gay characters were typically the butt of jokes and not really serious characters. The preconceptions and social expectations were rampant.

Sexual harassment has been around since the first mixed-sex business situation. But awareness of sexual harassment and proactive education to avoid it are other things entirely.

The jokes are still around.  The scoffing is still around.  People are just much more careful to keep their snowflake radar on at all times.   

Homophobia is alive and well, true. So is racism and misogyny.

The difference is people will get called out for being an asshole these days because it is recognized as the bigotry that it is.

Bigotry is no longer the acceptable default setting, even with your pussy grabbing homophobic racist in the white house.

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1 minute ago, Rockdog said:

Joking about gays or homosexuality is not homophobia either.  

You are quite correct. It's just being a bigoted asshole, just like telling racial jokes is.

I've always maintained that homophobia isn't a "thing" because homophobes aren't actually afraid of gays. They're just bigoted assholes. But "asshole" isn't specific enough.

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Hey Dog,

 

Leanne Tweeden walked behind the guitar player and grabbed his buttocks while he was playing. Turns out someone was very feely the entire USO tour and it wasn't Al Franken. This is a setup.

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2005 USO tour. She introduces Robin Williams, humps him, then he pretends to zip up his pants after. It’s just the nature of these shows for the troops, they get rowdy. Why does she have special rules for Franken? Politics.

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8 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Homophobia is alive and well, true. So is racism and misogyny.

The difference is people will get called out for being an asshole these days because it is recognized as the bigotry that it is.

Yep, saw it here just the other day:

On 11/11/2017 at 6:38 AM, jocal505 said:

Why are you prancing around like a gay dude,


And yes, I called out the bigotry. Oddly none of the usual opponents of homophobic bigotry did the same. Can't figure out why.

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8 hours ago, badlatitude said:
 

Here is a pic of @LeeAnnTweeden on a USO trip victimizing Country singer Mark Wills using her butt to assault his hand. pic.twitter.com/cwfbbZlGn0

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Whoops. Gonna need to clean up the USO acts after this. Maybe send Jerry Falwell Jr and Ann Coulter. 

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25 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

Next up: Justin Timberlake ripping off Jane's bra on national tv?

Pretty sure he apologized for that. In other words, if he runs for office, Dog will turn that into a confession for groping (if he runs as a democRAT).  

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So the victim here does a bawdy act for the USO, dry humping and ass grabbing other cast members and then bitches when another cast member reciprocates with a bawdy act of a deep kiss,  and he apologizes, thats an admission of sexual assault.  Doggy style indeed.

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2 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Yep, saw it here just the other day:


And yes, I called out the bigotry. Oddly none of the usual opponents of homophobic bigotry did the same. Can't figure out why.

Yes, you did the race-baiter bit, on me (a grizzled, veteran street worker from Jimi's hood) again. It gives you a rush. You have left a trail of race-baiting in our community for some reason.  That is what it is = a reflection on  the real Tom Ray.

I'm happy when the gay dudess dance about NTTAWWT, because they are free sorts of elk, sexually and otherwise.  I only asked why you dance about like a giddy gay dude while spouting gun nonsense. Where is your answer?

 

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56 minutes ago, Dog said:

Franken's not to blame...clearly she was asking for it.

Yep, that's what I said a long time ago.  All the male feminists around here think they are big boys with their "sensitivity".  

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13 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

So the victim here does a bawdy act for the USO, dry humping and ass grabbing other cast members and then bitches when another cast member reciprocates with a bawdy act of a deep kiss,  and he apologizes, thats an admission of sexual assault.  Doggy style indeed.

No, she agreed to the kiss.  That's not sexual assault, it was consensual.  

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