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It is official as of last night.  NOSA ratified a contract acquiring the Border Run race from XS Sailing.  The two Border Run courses will be integrated into the Newport to Ensenada International Yacht Race event, which will offer 3 courses in 2018; Newport to Ensenada (N2E), Newport to San Diego (N2SD - Border Run), & Newport to Dana Point (N2DP - Border Sprint).  Also new is that the N2DP course will offer small one design classes as well as Portsmouth for beach cats and non-one design small boats.  All starts are April 27.  All courses share in all activities, like the Thursday night pre-race party at the Balboa Yacht Club.  

It'll probably take a few days for PR and website updates to catch up.  NORs will be up in a few weeks.  Registration starts 1/1/18.

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59 minutes ago, Bill Gibbs said:

It is official as of last night.  NOSA ratified a contract acquiring the Border Run race from XS Sailing.  The two Border Run courses will be integrated into the Newport to Ensenada International Yacht Race event, which will offer 3 courses in 2018; Newport to Ensenada (N2E), Newport to San Diego (N2SD - Border Run), & Newport to Dana Point (N2DP - Border Sprint).  Also new is that the N2DP course will offer small one design classes as well as Portsmouth for beach cats and non-one design small boats.  All starts are April 27.  All courses share in all activities, like the Thursday night pre-race party at the Balboa Yacht Club.  

It'll probably take a few days for PR and website updates to catch up.  NORs will be up in a few weeks.  Registration starts 1/1/18.

Good job.

But I think I registered a few months ago.

 

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2 hours ago, Parma said:

Good job.

But I think I registered a few months ago.

 

A number of people had registered for the Border Run, a few had paid fees.  We are working with Border Run to unwind these.  Cancellation, refund, and re-register is the most likely solution.  We intend to contact all so involved in the coming months.

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5 hours ago, Bill Gibbs said:

  All courses share in all activities, like the Thursday night pre-race party at the Balboa Yacht Club.  

:o:o What ??

has NOSA been following my posts ??

BYC is NOT BCYC ...... But it Is BUY & by the Race Boats & is involved with the Race

sounds like I might need to dig out the Towel I threw in after the last one I went to :)

BG, Thaqnk You for all your hard work & sharing what's going on with us !!!

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2 hours ago, DryArmour said:

Thank you for working with YB for trackers.

Remember before or aftrr the race to drop off your YB tracker at a church while you are hanging out at the Gentleman's Club ....... (they only know the trail you leave behind) :-O

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Good job Bill on the trackers and combining the races, now we need some pro video footage or some way that boats can send video to Nosa for a pro to make a great video and promote it for next year

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I'd like to do the border run but if you classify it as Coastal per the USS SER, my 1980's Zap 26 will not be able to fulfill the requirements.
Make sure you do not exclude too many boats.

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20 hours ago, Meat Wad said:

I'd like to do the border run but if you classify it as Coastal per the USS SER, my 1980's Zap 26 will not be able to fulfill the requirements.
Make sure you do not exclude too many boats.

I'm afraid we don't have much choice here, the USSER course definitions are pretty clear on their definitions.  We have N2SD as Coastal, but N2DP as Nearshore.  What is it about your Zap 26 that can't do Coastal?

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On 11/26/2017 at 2:21 PM, Bill Gibbs said:

We have N2SD as Coastal, but N2DP as Nearshore.

The NOR posted has N2DP as Coastal. An error I hope?

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4 hours ago, DWD said:

The NOR posted has N2DP as Coastal. An error I hope?

Yes indeed.  Thanks for mentioning it.  People have been notified.  An amendment will be forthcoming.

I guess people do read those things.

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17 hours ago, Bill Gibbs said:

Yes indeed.  Thanks for mentioning it.  People have been notified.  An amendment will be forthcoming.

I guess people do read those things.

Great. I also sent an email to NOSA. For dinghies to participate it seems there will need to be quite a few waivers even for nearshore. For a Laser, or Aero in my case, it would be nice if the following is all that is required:

1. PFD
2. Method of communication (cell phone can replace VHF)
3. Waterproof flashlight/strobe
4. Compass mounted (magnetic or electronic)

5. Whistle
6. Towing line of 20’ min length

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12 hours ago, DWD said:

Great. I also sent an email to NOSA. For dinghies to participate it seems there will need to be quite a few waivers even for nearshore. For a Laser, or Aero in my case, it would be nice if the following is all that is required:

1. PFD
2. Method of communication (cell phone can replace VHF)
3. Waterproof flashlight/strobe
4. Compass mounted (magnetic or electronic)

5. Whistle
6. Towing line of 20’ min length

You forgot the Shark Bite Kit & GoPro KnockOff

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On 12/13/2017 at 9:41 AM, DWD said:

Great. I also sent an email to NOSA. For dinghies to participate it seems there will need to be quite a few waivers even for nearshore. For a Laser, or Aero in my case, it would be nice if the following is all that is required:

1. PFD
2. Method of communication (cell phone can replace VHF)
3. Waterproof flashlight/strobe
4. Compass mounted (magnetic or electronic)

5. Whistle
6. Towing line of 20’ min length

I think a Cell phone replacing a Handheld VHF is a huge mistake.

And besides where are the relatively protected waters as described in the Nearshore description?
Is Catalina protecting something? The only relatively protected waters South of Conception are behind the LA Breakwater and inside SD Bay. Maybe paradise cove.

Too many people are lured in by the relatively placid conditions of So Cal and then the shit hits the fan and people die .
That is why we are saddled with these silly SER, which are recommendations and NOSA should grow a pair and say "We recommend you comply with the recommendations of the USS SER but do not require it"

Too many regulations hurt participation and do not stop stupid people from doing stupid things

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1 hour ago, Meat Wad said:

I think a Cell phone replacing a Handheld VHF is a huge mistake.

And besides where are the relatively protected waters as described in the Nearshore description?
Is Catalina protecting something? The only relatively protected waters South of Conception are behind the LA Breakwater and inside SD Bay. Maybe paradise cove.

Too many people are lured in by the relatively placid conditions of So Cal and then the shit hits the fan and people die .
That is why we are saddled with these silly SER, which are recommendations and NOSA should grow a pair and say "We recommend you comply with the recommendations of the USS SER but do not require it"

Too many regulations hurt participation and do not stop stupid people from doing stupid things

+ 1 on nixing the phone as being usefuly trusted 

AND on SoKalifornia Waters only being Pacific Most of the time

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On 12/12/2017 at 3:45 PM, Bill Gibbs said:

Yes indeed.  Thanks for mentioning it.  People have been notified.  An amendment will be forthcoming.

I guess people do read those things.

The amendment for the  N2DP NOR is posted

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On 12/15/2017 at 9:35 AM, DA-WOODY said:

+ 1 on nixing the phone as being usefuly trusted 

AND on SoKalifornia Waters only being Pacific Most of the time

I still have never received an answer as too whether the Velocitek Shift fits the description as a fixed mount magnetic compass independent of the ships electrical system.

I hope NOSA address this issue. I believe it is required for all 3 courses.

                                                                                                                                       Offshore, Coastal, Inshore

Safety Equipment: Navigation 3.19.1 A boat shall have a permanently mounted magnetic compass independent of the boat's electrical system suitable for steering at sea. x x x

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Noticed that SER 3.1.2 (PFD crotch straps) and SER 4.3.2 (Safety at Sea seminar) which have been waived in the past are not excepted in this year's NOR.

Can it be assumed that NOSA intends to require both this year?

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16 hours ago, Meat Wad said:

I still have never received an answer as too whether the Velocitek Shift fits the description as a fixed mount magnetic compass independent of the ships electrical system.

I hope NOSA address this issue. I believe it is required for all 3 courses.

                                                                                                                                       Offshore, Coastal, Inshore

Safety Equipment: Navigation 3.19.1 A boat shall have a permanently mounted magnetic compass independent of the boat's electrical system suitable for steering at sea. x x x

The N2DP NOR waives “permanently mounted” for small boats, so that’s a step.  A waterproof Boy Scout compass or bearing compass, would meet the current requirement.  My interpretation on the SER’s intent is to be able to navigate in the event of a power or electronic failure.  A small boat doesn’t have an electrical system, but a velocitek shift could fail or run out of charge.  Are all compasses inherently “magnetic”, or does this term refer to non-powered compasses?  I think the later.  So I think no, the Velocitek doesn’t meet the requirement.  But I am not a US Sailing judge.  

This doesn’t seem an unreasonable or expensive to meet requirement.

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19 minutes ago, TJSoCal said:

Noticed that SER 3.1.2 (PFD crotch straps) and SER 4.3.2 (Safety at Sea seminar) which have been waived in the past are not excepted in this year's NOR.

Can it be assumed that NOSA intends to require both this year?

Straps were waived the first year required because they could not be obtained in time for the race.  Following year waivers were copy and paste NOR creation oversights.  They are arguably something in the SER that could have saved lives in past California Sailing accidents.

SAS seminars were waived for a similar reason, no online classes for the coastal level requirement.  NOSA has been assured classes are/will be available.

so yes, no waivers.  My crew did the class last year before the late waiver, so we are set.

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9 minutes ago, Bill Gibbs said:

Straps were waived the first year required because they could not be obtained in time for the race.  Following year waivers were copy and paste NOR creation oversights.  They are arguably something in the SER that could have saved lives in past California Sailing accidents.

SAS seminars were waived for a similar reason, no online classes for the coastal level requirement.  NOSA has been assured classes are/will be available.

so yes, no waivers.  My crew did the class last year before the late waiver, so we are set.

I agree, the notice that the SaS requirement would be enforced last year was kind of late so there were limited opportunities for either live or online training so it was reasonable to waive it last year. But no reason to waive it this year.

Will NOSA be enforcing the requirement by anything other than the honor system? Do we need to dig out our certificates?

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10 hours ago, Bill Gibbs said:

The N2DP NOR waives “permanently mounted” for small boats, so that’s a step.  A waterproof Boy Scout compass or bearing compass, would meet the current requirement.  My interpretation on the SER’s intent is to be able to navigate in the event of a power or electronic failure.  A small boat doesn’t have an electrical system, but a velocitek shift could fail or run out of charge.  Are all compasses inherently “magnetic”, or does this term refer to non-powered compasses?  I think the later.  So I think no, the Velocitek doesn’t meet the requirement.  But I am not a US Sailing judge.  

This doesn’t seem an unreasonable or expensive to meet requirement.

 

9 hours ago, Bill Gibbs said:

Straps were waived the first year required because they could not be obtained in time for the race.  Following year waivers were copy and paste NOR creation oversights.  They are arguably something in the SER that could have saved lives in past California Sailing accidents.

SAS seminars were waived for a similar reason, no online classes for the coastal level requirement.  NOSA has been assured classes are/will be available.

so yes, no waivers.  My crew did the class last year before the late waiver, so we are set.

Newport to San Diego is a day sail.

Are you really going to require me to have an EPIRB, Jack Lines and My Velocitek Shift will not fit the bill?
Have you even read that the shift has a 4 day battery without solar charging?  https://www.velocitek.com/products/shift

Really, you guys should call yourself USS NOSA

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3 minutes ago, ExOmo said:

If you pick the right day...

Like I said before, there are no relatively protected waters, required for the Near Shore Race, requirements. Except, behind the LA Breakwater and inside the SD Bay.

NOSA is kidding themselves and picking cherries.

If I am required to play the USS SER Coastal Game, this will be a race I will not be able to attend and thus the Yachting Cup the following weekend.

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15 hours ago, Meat Wad said:

Newport to San Diego is a day sail.

Are you really going to require me to have an EPIRB, Jack Lines and My Velocitek Shift will not fit the bill?
Have you even read that the shift has a 4 day battery without solar charging?  https://www.velocitek.com/products/shift

Really, you guys should call yourself USS NOSA

NOSA used to sit around in closed door meetings making up new safety requirements.  While their intentions were good, the results were worse than the USSERs I think.  Certainly less consistent with all other races.  Virtually all races are run under US Sailing and their Racing Rules of Sailing.  They have published their SERs.  NOSA is trying to make minimum waivers, not revolt against the idea of USSERs.  There is a culture of we don't need no safety rules in sailing, that should be countered, IMO.  We don't need a nannie state, but rather some balance.  We have had fatalities in California sailboat racing that were preventable.  A near miss in Ventura was a 20 nm race around an oil rig.  The wind came up.  A man overboard without a PFD.  The waves were big enough to obscure visibility and enough wind to make sail handling difficult.   Boat after boat sailed by without seeing him.  Luck in the form of an oil worker on the rig, with a good high view, vectored in rescue, otherwise...  Next time no oil rig.  A PLB would have saved him.  A PFD would have provided a lot more time.  

Regarding your specifics, An EPIRB is nor required in Coastal, a PLB ($244 on Amazon) will fill the requirement.  Jacklines could be simply spectra line rigged.  The concern with the Regarding Velocitek, I don't think I've owned a piece of electronic equipment that hasn't failed at some point, usually at the worst possible time.  Back up is good.   What will you use when it dies.  Compasses start under $20 on Amazon.

I do not think the USSERs are perfect or that they reflect exactly the decisions that I would make personally.  But consistency across all races is good.  Encouraging safety is good.  At the end of the day you have choices.  You can choose to not race.  Or you can choose to not follow all the USSERs.  You can lobby US Sailing for SER changes.  Or... 

The skipper is ultimately responsible for all safety, as well as the decision to set sail and leave the harbor.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

N2E introduces YB Tracking
Adding more safety and excitement to the 2018 race!

 
NEWPORT BEACH, Calif; February 5, 2018 – Raising the safety bar for the 71st annual Newport to Ensenada International Yacht Race while setting a new standard for the involvement of friends and family is what its new relationship with YB Tracking is all about, said Newport Ocean Sailing Association officials.

Racers on all three courses; the iconic 125-mile course to Ensenada, the new short course to Dana Point, and the Border Run course to San Diego will carry the trackers.  

“We’re all about safety first, but it’s also an amazing opportunity for the sailing community and non-sailors see what this classic and storied race is all about,” said NOSA Commodore Daniel Hodge. “It’s a very exciting opportunity for N2E that also provided the race true international exposure. I’m really excited that NOSA has stepped up; not only to create more opportunities for racers but also for up-and-coming racers all the while garnering worldwide exposure for our sponsors.”

For the high school and collegiate racers on the short course, YB Tracking will serve as a valuable learning tool. Racers can review the race data and analyze how to do better from a different perspective.

For N2E sponsors, YB tracking will be available on the Website of our major sponsor, the Los Angeles Times, on the NOSA Web site, and on mobile and social media apps so shore side sailing enthusiasts can follow along.

The move means N2E joins the like of other major sailing regattas like Transpac, San Diego to Puerto Vallarta Race, the Islands Race and even the Rolex Sydney to Hobart Race use YB Tracking.

“As a racer, I am very excited YB Tracking will be implemented for the 2018 Ensenada Race so that friends and family can follow the race as the boats head to Mexico. It will allow spectators to keep track of their favorite boats and gain insight into tactical decisions and overnight lead changes that usually go unnoticed,” said Shaun Prestridge, a new NOSA board member. “Like many racers, I will be sharing a link to tracking page on my social media handles.”

YB Tracking, previously known as Yellowbrick Tracking, has been providing racers on land and at sea its satellite mapping hardware and software since 2009. 

“YB Tracking looks forward to supporting the N2E team towards another exciting and memorable edition of the race!, said YB Tracking’s Alex Burgis who believes the use of satellite tracking both promotes safety as well as spectator engagement. “YB Tracking offers a robust, tried and tested tracking solution allowing for both Race Officials and fans of the event to follow the action on the water,” he said.

Race mapping can be accessed free of charge via links which will be posted before the race. As the start of N2E 2018 nears, a link will populate in the list of upcoming races at ybtracking.com.  

Additionally, the monitors behind the front desk of the Hotel Coral in Ensenada will display the progress of the fleet so those checking in to the hotel will quickly know the location of all boats.

To be a participant rather than an observer in N2E 2018, please get a sneak peek at your competition and register for the race at  www.nosa.org. Racers are encouraged to register early to ensure the availability of trackers.  


 

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