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Well that was a shitty day,  I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active.

 

I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center console, I instructed him to put both his hands out the window and he only showed me his left hand. I was able to control it and ordered him out of the car, he was reaching towards the back of his waistband as he was seated in the driver's seat. We had a 45 second physical altercation as i attempted to keep him from bringing his hand out from behind him. I was eventually able to open the door of the car and pulled him out.

When we hit the ground he kept reaching for his waistband and I felt a hard object in his waistband. I was able to control his hands and got him handcuffed, I then began a search of him and found a loaded handgun in his waistband. About that time a 2nd officer arrived on the scene and they controlled the passenger of the vehicle. 

Anyways, that is it, just had to vent! I am all banged up and kinda pissed off, the suspect is in jail and I am alive. But fuck that sucked!

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Next time shoot the bastard!

How much jail time will he get before he gets turned loose? Will he be "reformed" by then?

No. He will eventually kill someone. Maybe one of your fellow officers...

Just sayin', glad you survived.......

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Dude, you seriously want to tell him how to do his job? What if it was a cell phone, or an insulin pump? 

Just compliment him and thank Christ you aren’t facing that scene. 

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Glad you stayed smart and calm.  I bet the adrenaline rush is still strong.

It's good you vented.

 

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34 minutes ago, gree2056 said:

Well that was a shitty day,  I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active.

 

I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center console, I instructed him to put both his hands out the window and he only showed me his left hand. I was able to control it and ordered him out of the car, he was reaching towards the back of his waistband as he was seated in the driver's seat. We had a 45 second physical altercation as i attempted to keep him from bringing his hand out from behind him. I was eventually able to open the door of the car and pulled him out.

When we hit the ground he kept reaching for his waistband and I felt a hard object in his waistband. I was able to control his hands and got him handcuffed, I then began a search of him and found a loaded handgun in his waistband. About that time a 2nd officer arrived on the scene and they controlled the passenger of the vehicle. 

Anyways, that is it, just had to vent! I am all banged up and kinda pissed off, the suspect is in jail and I am alive. But fuck that sucked!

Job well done..you are one of the good guys, just remember that. You home now? Probably have your own way of winding down from this.

And no matter what the tabloids scream..remember..... most people appreciate you and what you do so very well..every day,

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29 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Dude, you seriously want to tell him how to do his job? What if it was a cell phone, or an insulin pump? 

Just compliment him and thank Christ you aren’t facing that scene. 

The criminal is going to fight a uniformed police officer over a cellphone or an insulin pump? Hell, maybe he had a soft furry unicorn in his back pocket and just wanted to give it to the nice police officer...

In my opinion people who attempt to kill police officers have no place in our society.

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Glad the law won and also that no lives were lost (especially yours or innocents).  Society is better for your being there and most are grateful.  Though it may not seem so today, even the guy that threatened your life may someday do some bit of good because you were able to give him the chance to live.  

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Vernon,

Glad you made it through a crisis situation without anyone getting g killed. Sounds like a close thing. There are those who will judge you for your restraint as surely as there are those who would have screamed for your head had it ended differently. 

You’ll be happy to see the sunrise today, I’m sure. 

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7 hours ago, gree2056 said:

Well that was a shitty day,  I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active.

 

I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center console, I instructed him to put both his hands out the window and he only showed me his left hand. I was able to control it and ordered him out of the car, he was reaching towards the back of his waistband as he was seated in the driver's seat. We had a 45 second physical altercation as i attempted to keep him from bringing his hand out from behind him. I was eventually able to open the door of the car and pulled him out.

When we hit the ground he kept reaching for his waistband and I felt a hard object in his waistband. I was able to control his hands and got him handcuffed, I then began a search of him and found a loaded handgun in his waistband. About that time a 2nd officer arrived on the scene and they controlled the passenger of the vehicle. 

Anyways, that is it, just had to vent! I am all banged up and kinda pissed off, the suspect is in jail and I am alive. But fuck that sucked!

A bit late, but one more thing for which to be thankful.

Which gun manufacturer was re$pon$ible for this incident? (Sorry, but it is PA.)

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8 hours ago, Greever said:

Next time shoot the bastard!

How much jail time will he get before he gets turned loose? Will he be "reformed" by then?

No. He will eventually kill someone. Maybe one of your fellow officers...

Just sayin', glad you survived.......

WTF, Greeves? This post lays out the problem of the modern gun mentality. Just sayin'.

The whole point here is than an (a brave, classy) peace officer enforced the peace and set up due process in an impartial trial. Great job, Officer Green, and thank you.

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Slightly off topic, but related...

What the hell had these guys shoplifted that they were willing to kill or be killed for? Clearly not a package of Wriggly's Spearmint gum......

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4 minutes ago, Mrleft8 said:

What the hell had these guys shoplifted that they were willing to kill or be killed for?

doesn't matter.

the only thing that matters is perp was tryin to kill Vernon.

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Vernon,

I'm glad you're safe and the bad guys are going away. Thank you for your service, it is so easy for civilians to forget just how dangerous your job can be. 

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Glad your safe I’m sure the adrenaline was flowing and I’m sure the aftermath was a bitch.  Thank your for your service.  

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1 hour ago, jocal505 said:

WTF, Greeves? This post lays out the problem of the modern gun mentality. Just sayin'.

The whole point here is than an (a brave, classy) peace officer enforced the peace and set up due process in an impartial trial. Great job, Officer Green, and thank you.

I simply value Officer Greens life far more than the guy that tried to kill him.

Furthermore I think the guy will get a slap on the wrist, be set free, and the next Officer may not be as good as Vernon, and wind up dead.

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10 hours ago, gree2056 said:

Well that was a shitty day,  I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active.

 

I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center console, I instructed him to put both his hands out the window and he only showed me his left hand. I was able to control it and ordered him out of the car, he was reaching towards the back of his waistband as he was seated in the driver's seat. We had a 45 second physical altercation as i attempted to keep him from bringing his hand out from behind him. I was eventually able to open the door of the car and pulled him out.

When we hit the ground he kept reaching for his waistband and I felt a hard object in his waistband. I was able to control his hands and got him handcuffed, I then began a search of him and found a loaded handgun in his waistband. About that time a 2nd officer arrived on the scene and they controlled the passenger of the vehicle. 

Anyways, that is it, just had to vent! I am all banged up and kinda pissed off, the suspect is in jail and I am alive. But fuck that sucked!

Good job and glad you are home safe!

 

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10 hours ago, gree2056 said:

Well that was a shitty day,  I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active.

 

I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center console, I instructed him to put both his hands out the window and he only showed me his left hand. I was able to control it and ordered him out of the car, he was reaching towards the back of his waistband as he was seated in the driver's seat. We had a 45 second physical altercation as i attempted to keep him from bringing his hand out from behind him. I was eventually able to open the door of the car and pulled him out.

When we hit the ground he kept reaching for his waistband and I felt a hard object in his waistband. I was able to control his hands and got him handcuffed, I then began a search of him and found a loaded handgun in his waistband. About that time a 2nd officer arrived on the scene and they controlled the passenger of the vehicle. 

Anyways, that is it, just had to vent! I am all banged up and kinda pissed off, the suspect is in jail and I am alive. But fuck that sucked!

You made it home. That was a good day. 

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Glad to hear you're safe.   

I was already vaguely worried about you, just 'cause I hadn't seen you post for awhile...

 

(although I see you have a new handle  -  maybe I just missed some posts)

 

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Well, I am not as sore as I thought I would be. Overall I feel good about the situation I went home, he only had minor injuries, and he is in jail where he is supposed to be. 

 

To answer a few querstions, the gun was a Smith and Wesson, it had been stolen three days prior in a second degree burglary and funnily enough my backup was who took that report. 

The suspect stole four packs of Trojan Magnum Condoms, about $60 worth. He apparently had big plans!

As for why I did not shoot him, I had drawn a mental line in the sand. I decided that if I lost control of his right arm that was reaching behind him I would draw my weapon and evaluate his actions from there. So believe me lethal force was on the table, it was the next step. I felt pretty in control during the struggle and I had pulled his hood over his head so he couldn't see, so even if he did draw his weapon I would have a brief instant of him not being able to see where to attack. Not a perfect plan but it was what I had come up with in that moment.

Watching the body camera video is odd, I have watched it several times through. At the beginning i am vocalizing and giving commands , then when I realized how serious the struggle was I went silent and was just fighting. I stay remarkably calm in high stress scenarios and it is one of the traits that I believe makes me a good police officer. 

Anyways, I appreciate all the support, I have to give credit to my backup. It take a professional to end a fight and not want to hurt the guy who just tried to kill you or your partner. After the subject was handcuffed my backup and I both began asking the suspect if he was injured and if he needed any medical care.  

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2 minutes ago, frenchie said:

Glad to hear you're safe.   

I was already vaguely worried about you, just 'cause I hadn't seen you post for awhile...

 

(although I see you have a new handle  -  maybe I just missed some posts)

 

When the forums changed it reverted back to my original handle which was this. I haven't taken time to change it back. 

Sometimes I just step away for a bit from here due to work and other outside of work callings.

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Sometimes I take breaks, too... just took a short one, in fact.  But you'd been gone awhile...

 

So what was this guy's deal, that he'd try to draw on a cop over 60$ worth of condoms?  Open warrants?  High as a kite?  Mental illness?

 

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I can't help thinking you showed too much restraint - but then I'd make a lousy cop.

Glad it worked out - my kid is a cop so I'm maybe a little closer to this than most.

the gun was a Smith and Wesson, it had been stolen three days prior in a second degree burglary

Perfect illustration of why there is a need for a lot fewer guns, especially handguns.

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Frenchie, I honestly have no idea what his deal was. I am sure he realized he was going to jail, knew the gun was stolen, and knew he was caught. The level of resistance I am seeing from suspects has been steadily increasing over the past 4 years. The overall respect for police from criminals is decreasing and in general we are seeing far more resistance. 

SloopJonB, I'm not gonna touch the gun subject, I don't blame the gun at all for the situation.

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I am glad you had a backup plan, and that you went home safe.

 

What kind of charges is he facing?

How much time will he likely serve?

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Well done Vernon. 

Your thoughtful sane posts are missed around here. 

In hindsight, is there anything you would have done differently ?

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Glad you didn't have to shoot him. So many ways that could have changed your life for the worse. 

I assume the presence of a weapon on him during the shoplifting escalated the punishment and charges.  Any chance he was just trying to move the gun off his person?

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So he is being charged with the following

-Larceny of Merchandise from a retailer- Felony due to multiple prior convictions

-Resisting arrest ( which is the same level as the arresting offense, so in this case it is a felony)

-Possession of Stolen Property- Felony (the firearm)

-Possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony - Felony

 

Not sure what the punishment will be for him, he has multiple prior weapons charges and is on probation for prior charges so he should get the book thrown at him. I am guilty of not following up on people once I arrest them, it usually frustrates me when I  see what they get plead down to and how little time they end up doing so I have found it better to do my job on the street and let the court system do their job. It is two separate systems for a reason, it is so the anger I feel towards him doesn't affect his punishment. 

 

As for doing anything differently, I have run it through a bunch and can't see anything I would change other than I would have rather not got in a fight. The shoplifting didn't reach the needed criteria for drawing my weapon and having him exit the vehicle at gunpoint. Once the fight was on it might have been better to disengage and sprint for cover then deal with him from there, but that would have likely meant a gunfight and getting shot at which I am in general pretty against. Plus my back drop was a "RedBox" machine with a family standing in front of it so my shooting opportunities  would have be extremely limited. So I guess the real answer is, no, I wouldn't change much. We both survived a situation that could have quickly turned into a lethal situation for multiple people, that's about the best outcome I could hope for.

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Oh and yes, it is possible he was trying to ditch the gun in the car. I wasn't gonna let it get to that point. If his gun came out of  his waistband my options would have been extremely limited.

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#1 rule is everyone goes home at the end of the shift.

Well done. I admire your ability to maintain in the face of that kind of threat. It could have easily, and justifiably,  gone a different direction.

 

WL

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Sincere thanks for sharing.   Perhaps one of your accomplishments for yesterday was increasing public understanding of your job.  Turn this list in as working hours.  :)     We hear about every time a cop messes up.   Except in boring small towns, the successes never get noticed.  I tried to find an old news story of a chase ending badly in a Kansas City apartment years ago, as I recall the cop thought an armed robber ducked into an apartment so he broke the door down and killed the sleepy resident coming out of his bedroom to investigate the noise.   I found dozens of necessary police shootings following chases that had occurred in that area, so many I couldn’t even find the bad one online.   For each of the justified shootings I’m sure there were hundreds of cases where the criminal was stopped without gunfire, a reminder that most of the time things end as they should.   Thanks again.

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My uncle (x cop) would have had 2 things to say (me too!)

1) Keeping it Professional-

2) take a day off & go sailing

good on you, glad you’re ok-

 

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Nope, all his motions were towards the weapon but I can't prove that was his intention. And he never struck me or assaulted me other than trying to break my grip on him. The DA here in this county wouldn't take the charges. 

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29 minutes ago, gree2056 said:

Nope, all his motions were towards the weapon but I can't prove that was his intention. And he never struck me or assaulted me other than trying to break my grip on him. The DA here in this county wouldn't take the charges. 

I am glad you came out on top.

Please accept my apologies for second guessing you.

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I guess he won't be able to keep those Trojan magnums to hand out to Bubba in his cell.....

Very glad you're safe Vernon... I didn't recognize the old sign in name.

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4 hours ago, gree2056 said:

Not sure what the punishment will be for him, he has multiple prior weapons charges and is on probation for prior charges so he should get the book thrown at him. I am guilty of not following up on people once I arrest them, it usually frustrates me when I  see what they get plead down to and how little time they end up doing so I have found it better to do my job on the street and let the court system do their job. It is two separate systems for a reason, it is so the anger I feel towards him doesn't affect his punishment. 

Don't know if you have mandatory minimums there but committing a crime while in possession of a stolen gun could trigger such a law and also provide a rational answer to why someone would fight over stealing condoms. He may have been fighting to try to avoid years in prison. Or he may have just not been rational. That happens too.

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So you had him pinned in his parking spot and he was unable to flee by vehicle.  What caused you to decide to approach him without backup?

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Well without an urgent need, backup was 5-10 minutes from being available. One officer was in the process of administering tests to a possible intoxicated driver, the other was helping a family deal with their autistic 35 year old son who was being physically violent. Once I was fighting the one dealing with the family broke off his call and came to help.

 99% of the time an officers presence is enough action to bring the suspects actions back within acceptable societal norms.

It would be quite unusual to block a vehicle in and then just sit there for an extended period of time. Due to staffing issues we just have to deal with calls alone many times.

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1 minute ago, gree2056 said:

Well without an urgent need, backup was 5-10 minutes from being available. One officer was in the process of administering tests to a possible intoxicated driver, the other was helping a family deal with their autistic 35 year old son who was being physically violent. Once I was fighting the one dealing with the family broke off his call and came to help.

 99% of the time an officers presence is enough action to bring the suspects actions back within acceptable societal norms.

It would be quite unusual to block a vehicle in and then just sit there for an extended period of time. Due to staffing issues we just have to deal with calls alone many times.

You have a megaphone right?  Just tell them to sit tight while you sort things out.  No need to rush the situation.  I'm glad we didn't have to give your family thoughts and prayers.  

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Thanks Ed, I'm glad too.

If we decided to never handle any call alone the level of service our citizens receive would dramatically decrease. It is a balance between officer safety and the level of service expected by our citizens. 

I have made well over 100 arrest for shoplifting in my time as an officer, many of them alone. It is just a reality that sometimes it needs to be done.

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8 minutes ago, V. Green said:

Thanks Ed, I'm glad too.

If we decided to never handle any call alone the level of service our citizens receive would dramatically decrease. It is a balance between officer safety and the level of service expected by our citizens. 

I have made well over 100 arrest for shoplifting in my time as an officer, many of them alone. It is just a reality that sometimes it needs to be done.

Be safe.  No reason to put yourself in danger without backup for a shoplifter.  That is a sucky way to die.

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9 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

Be safe.  No reason to put yourself in danger without backup for a shoplifter.  That is a sucky way to die.

The "dramatic decrease" in the level of service citizens would receive is not "no reason" it's a darn good reason.

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OKC.............

Man.............. I'd forgotten that part too.

I'm sort of surprised that OKC doesn't have partnered cars...

Not making a snide comment here, just an observation...... That's one weird freakin' piece of real estate.....

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5 hours ago, V. Green said:

It would be quite unusual to block a vehicle in and then just sit there for an extended period of time. Due to staffing issues we just have to deal with calls alone many times.

That was my question, great job Vern...or as Rain Man would say it, Vern, main man Vern.  Touche'.

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On 11/25/2017 at 3:49 PM, Greever said:

Next time shoot the bastard!

So have you considered that the impact on Green may have been far greater by shooting someone? 

That's really stupid greever.  Looks like Green is not the kind of cop that shoots Australian women in pyjamas after they call 911.

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Well done, Vernon. You get to live with the consequences of your actions. So does the other dude.

If I lived in your community, I'd be taking up a collection for yours and your partner's increasing grey hair treatment......

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15 hours ago, V. Green said:

So he is being charged with the following

-Larceny of Merchandise from a retailer- Felony due to multiple prior convictions

-Resisting arrest ( which is the same level as the arresting offense, so in this case it is a felony)

-Possession of Stolen Property- Felony (the firearm)

-Possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony - Felony

 

Not sure what the punishment will be for him, he has multiple prior weapons charges and is on probation for prior charges so he should get the book thrown at him. I am guilty of not following up on people once I arrest them, it usually frustrates me when I  see what they get plead down to and how little time they end up doing so I have found it better to do my job on the street and let the court system do their job. It is two separate systems for a reason, it is so the anger I feel towards him doesn't affect his punishment. 

 

its up to the judges, how are the judges where you are? if people ever paid close attention to the news, and find out the history of criminals, there would be lynchings of judges in many areas. these criminals get felony after felony, often violent and never go to prison. in cleveland. even with a violent history and a felony, being caught with a loaded gun, even stolen is a probation offense in cleveland, as long as youre a certain persuasion,

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2 hours ago, random said:

So have you considered that the impact on Green may have been far greater by shooting someone? 

That's really stupid greever.  Looks like Green is not the kind of cop that shoots Australian women in pyjamas after they call 911.

unlike the cop youre referencing, im sure green has passed his tests. the cop involved in that shooting in minneapolis, never passed the required exams, but they allowed him to bypass all of it because they were just so happy a somalian wanted to be a cop.

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6 minutes ago, the_abandoned_brane said:

unlike the cop youre referencing, im sure green has passed his tests. the cop involved in that shooting in minneapolis, never passed the required exams, but they allowed him to bypass all of it because they were just so happy a somalian wanted to be a cop.

Yeah maybe, but he still has not been charged.

So I suppose that explains all the other cop shootings of unarmed people?

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Understand the need to vent after that. Also, for what it's worth, it's good to here a first-hand recollection of snap decisions made a police officer in the heat of the moment where life is on the line... and both the officer and perp live afterward. Hope to hear that justice is served by the rest of the system, Vernon. 

 

Don't have much else to add as I will respect your apparent desire to keep this free of the gun debate others wish to make here.

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18 hours ago, V. Green said:

To answer a few querstions, the gun was a Smith and Wesson, it had been stolen three days prior in a second degree burglary and funnily enough my backup was who took that report. 

Smith and Wesson knew that theft was a possibility and they recklessly produced the gun anyway? They should be held re$pon$ible!

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3 hours ago, random said:

So have you considered that the impact on Green may have been far greater by shooting someone? 

That's really stupid greever.  Looks like Green is not the kind of cop that shoots Australian women in pyjamas after they call 911.

Yes it was stupid.

After thinking about my comment, and learning more details, I did offer my apologies to Vernon.

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21 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

Slightly off topic, but related...

What the hell had these guys shoplifted that they were willing to kill or be killed for? Clearly not a package of Wriggly's Spearmint gum......

It would appear that some don't need a reason  or a good haul from the checkout line, to pop a cop.  Neither life nor consequences have any value to a wide swath of US society.  I guess that bit about not wanting to go back to the hoosegow.

Officer Green's valor demonstrates the higher ground taken, when he probably could have gotten away with a more controversial outcome (depending upon which demographic might get pissed off). 

 

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you're a bad motherfucker VG, and I am most especially glad at how this one worked out for you.  

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9 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

I'm sort of surprised that OKC doesn't have partnered cars...

I'm not. A car is cheap compared to a cop and there's that "level of service" thing that V mentioned above. He can accomplish it in one place while another officer accomplishes a different purpose in a different place, all for the price of a relatively cheap second car.

And at some additional risk to V's life and safety. He seems glad to take that risk and seems to enjoy dealing with assholes every day, a few of whom will even try to kill him.

I have a very bright line when it comes to cops. They're like V and like cameras because they think a camera is more likely to vindicate than incriminate them, or they're bad cops. V has helpfully explained why it's sometimes wrong and sometimes just plain embarrassing to have that video played in court but overall he likes cameras so I like him.

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Tom, that is 100% correct. 99% of calls can be handled by one officer, so the city buys a second car and spreads us out. It is a fact of the job, when you sign up you know you will sometimes have to deal with a call on your own.

 

I would also like to clarify something, I don't "enjoy dealing with assholes", I just happen to be reasonably good at it and have a few skills that allow me to do it better than most. I would rather deal with the assholes of the world so some innocent person who doesn't have my skill set doesn't have to deal with them. 

But also, no one here needs to get an overly high opinion of me, about 95% of my job is being an adult for people that can't.

 

I am incredibly lucky to have some great superiors who have taken me under their wing and trained me. I figure if I surround myself with people who are better than me some of it will filter over. I work with some true heros, guys who have been in far worse situations than me and made far tougher choices than I have.

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That is the best part of the job, getting to take a photo with some kid who ran up to me in a park because she wants to be a police officer.

Now you all know the actual department I work for. "The Village" is a small city that is bordered on all 4 sides by OKC. I chose to work for a smaller department for the community aspect of it. We have about 25 officers and the population of our city is about 10K. Our city also participates in the Oklahoma County Multi-Jurisdictional SWAT team by sending 3 of our officers to training 2 days a month and 2 weeks at the end of the year. I am fortunate enough to have made that team so  I get an incredibly high level of training compared to the average officer. 

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22 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I can't help thinking you showed too much restraint - but then I'd make a lousy cop.

Glad it worked out - my kid is a cop so I'm maybe a little closer to this than most.

the gun was a Smith and Wesson, it had been stolen three days prior in a second degree burglary

Perfect illustration of why there is a need for a lot fewer guns, especially handguns.

A perfect illustration of why owners should be heavily fined if they don’t keep them stored securely as well. 

Apologies for the hijack. 

And Vernon, Good to hear that you controlled the situation and walked away relatively unscathed. 

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7 hours ago, V. Green said:

That is the best part of the job, getting to take a photo with some kid who ran up to me in a park because she wants to be a police officer.

Now you all know the actual department I work for. "The Village" is a small city that is bordered on all 4 sides by OKC. I chose to work for a smaller department for the community aspect of it. We have about 25 officers and the population of our city is about 10K. Our city also participates in the Oklahoma County Multi-Jurisdictional SWAT team by sending 3 of our officers to training 2 days a month and 2 weeks at the end of the year. I am fortunate enough to have made that team so  I get an incredibly high level of training compared to the average officer. 

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You're a good man, Vernon Green.

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6 minutes ago, ease the sheet said:

I gotta say, you don't look very intimidating in that picture .....

You may not be noticing the light weight Kevlar BRV, the 3 spare mags just above his left pocket, or the Khukuri knife he has in his waistband at the small of his back.... (You can only see that in the reflection from the vehicle, and if you know what you're looking for....;))

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Lol, I'm not meant to be intimidating.  Friendly and approachable in that get up

 

If I want to look intimidating you get this attire and a whole bunch of other guys dressed the same way.

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Nope, I can put on the friendly face and I absolutely love being part of the community! But that community expects me to be the guardian if needed, so I spend many hours of time making sure I can do that if needed.

 

For reference, the picture in all the gear was taken during a manhunt who killed a deputy in a neighboring county. We took him into custody a few hours later after a long armed standoff.

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On 11/25/2017 at 12:35 AM, V. Green said:

Well that was a shitty day,  I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active.

 

I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center console, I instructed him to put both his hands out the window and he only showed me his left hand. I was able to control it and ordered him out of the car, he was reaching towards the back of his waistband as he was seated in the driver's seat. We had a 45 second physical altercation as i attempted to keep him from bringing his hand out from behind him. I was eventually able to open the door of the car and pulled him out.

When we hit the ground he kept reaching for his waistband and I felt a hard object in his waistband. I was able to control his hands and got him handcuffed, I then began a search of him and found a loaded handgun in his waistband. About that time a 2nd officer arrived on the scene and they controlled the passenger of the vehicle. 

Anyways, that is it, just had to vent! I am all banged up and kinda pissed off, the suspect is in jail and I am alive. But fuck that sucked!

 

Holy #@$%&@!

Did you tell him to sing a verse of "I fought the law and the law won"?

NOt glad this happened but very glad you are telling us in person VG. Add my voice to the chorus of "well done, sir."

-DSK

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4 hours ago, V. Green said:

Lol, I'm not meant to be intimidating.  Friendly and approachable in that get up

 

If I want to look intimidating you get this attire and a whole bunch of other guys dressed the same way.

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Different game, different uniform. Either way, stay safe.

 

4 hours ago, Mrleft8 said:

You may not be noticing the light weight Kevlar BRV, the 3 spare mags just above his left pocket, or the Khukuri knife he has in his waistband at the small of his back.... (You can only see that in the reflection from the vehicle, and if you know what you're looking for....;))

I notice enough to walk up and have a chat. That picture in riot gear suggests chatting might not be high on my list......

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12 hours ago, mad said:

A perfect illustration of why owners should be heavily fined if they don’t keep them stored securely as well. 

Apologies for the hijack. 

And Vernon, Good to hear that you controlled the situation and walked away relatively unscathed. 

Of course, if the owner had known he was lined up for a heavy fine, the theft of that item wouldn't have been mentioned. And if after this incident they managed by some fluke to chase down a paper record in some dealer's office indicating that he bought it:  "where is this gun you bought 6 months ago?" "I didn't like it, I sold it to a guy at k-mart".

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On 11/25/2017 at 11:06 AM, V. Green said:

So he is being charged with the following

-Larceny of Merchandise from a retailer- Felony due to multiple prior convictions

-Resisting arrest ( which is the same level as the arresting offense, so in this case it is a felony)

-Possession of Stolen Property- Felony (the firearm)

-Possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony - Felony

 

Not sure what the punishment will be for him, he has multiple prior weapons charges and is on probation for prior charges so he should get the book thrown at him. I am guilty of not following up on people once I arrest them, it usually frustrates me when I  see what they get plead down to and how little time they end up doing so I have found it better to do my job on the street and let the court system do their job. It is two separate systems for a reason, it is so the anger I feel towards him doesn't affect his punishment. 

 

As for doing anything differently, I have run it through a bunch and can't see anything I would change other than I would have rather not got in a fight. The shoplifting didn't reach the needed criteria for drawing my weapon and having him exit the vehicle at gunpoint. Once the fight was on it might have been better to disengage and sprint for cover then deal with him from there, but that would have likely meant a gunfight and getting shot at which I am in general pretty against. Plus my back drop was a "RedBox" machine with a family standing in front of it so my shooting opportunities  would have be extremely limited. So I guess the real answer is, no, I wouldn't change much. We both survived a situation that could have quickly turned into a lethal situation for multiple people, that's about the best outcome I could hope for.

Thank you for your service!  

In Los Angeles, he’d be out on the street already, and Jerry Brown and Kamala Harris would make sure he got ration of welfare.

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On 11/24/2017 at 10:56 PM, phillysailor said:

Dude, you seriously want to tell him how to do his job? What if it was a cell phone, or an insulin pump? 

Just compliment him and thank Christ you aren’t facing that scene. 

Yes, because a shit bag criminal in the middle of an altercation with a cop usually reaches for a cell phone or an insulin pump while he's being told emphatically not to reach in his waistband....

JFC!  The ONLY reason I'm glad VG didn't shoot this shit bag is I wouldn't want him to have to deal with the hassle and the inevitable moral ramifications that he would likely carry with him for the rest of his life regardless of how "good a shoot" it might have been.  But I honestly have to say I wish the shitbag had pulled the gun out and some other OKL officer with a body cam had put two in his chest and dropped the shitbag DTS. 

Sorry, but the world would have been a better place today without said shitbag in it.  Just saying.

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On 11/24/2017 at 10:35 PM, V. Green said:

Well that was a shitty day,  I have been away from here for a while but decided to come back and post this, and yes I realize it isn't political but this is where I am active.

 

I responded to a shoplifting call tonight and knew I would be without backup for a bit because both the other guys on duty were on other calls/traffic stops. I show up as the suspect is leaving the store and see him enter a vehicle. I blocked him into a parking spot and he couldn't pull forward due to a concrete pole in front of his car. As I approached I saw him reaching towards the center