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ryecatsailor

Pogo Like Sailboats in North America

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I like the Pogo sail boats, clean simple interior, wide beam at the rear, long traveler, square top Main sail.  

How come there are not many, any? in North America?  

Is it because they do not perform well on a windward leeward race course?

How come there are not other similar designs available in North America?  or are there?

Looking for short handed, performance sailing, weekending / cruising.

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, ryecatsailor said:

I like the Pogo sail boats, clean simple interior, wide beam at the rear, long traveler, square top Main sail.  

How come there are not many, any? in North America?  

Is it because they do not perform well on a windward leeward race course?

How come there are not other similar designs available in North America?  or are there?

Looking for short handed, performance sailing, weekending / cruising.

 

 

 

 

I know of several Pogo and Sunfast's in the US, more so the Sunfast's. 

 

If you're looking at new boats then the J121 would be a pretty killer boat for your requirements, it's the closest thing we really have to the modern shorthanded oriented 35-40 footers that they have over in Europe like the Pogo 12.50, JPK 11.80 etc..

Used boats: Aerodyne 38(great performing shorthanded boat), Farr 395(unsure about performance while shorthanded racing but certainly easy to handle), J122 etc...

Sounds like you're attracted to the aesthetics of the French boats more than any sort of specific advantage they may have. 

 

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Advantage ... performance racer/cruiser able to get into shallow harbors/mooring fields.

I like them too ... particulary the 36.

Pogo only sells direct, so no dealer network in thr US.

 

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There may be a few Figaros around as well. Similar concept to Pogo. Beneteau Firsts in a number of sizes and price ranges. Same goes for Jeanneau. 

Under 30 ft., Kelt 7.6’s are great value, although they can be harder to find. 

All of the above are popular with the shorthanded crowd. 

$0.02 

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Based on your requirements the Seascape 27 would fit the bill perfectly. Smaller, but also cheaper than the Pogo's. Offshore cat B and trailerable with both US and Canadian dealers it's optimised for shorthanded sailing and winner of the MAC 2014 doublehanded class.

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(How come there are not other similar designs available in North America?  or are there?

Looking for short handed, performance sailing, weekending / cruising.)

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12 hours ago, Peanut Butter said:

Smaller options you can also add the Catalina 275 Sport, if you want to spend $70k new...

Have you experience with the 275 Sport?

Will it get out of its own way?

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Been wanting to get a ride on one. There’s one parked at the marina that I pass each day. 

Looks interesting, but expensive for what you get. Also looks like a squat little sail and the rigging looks a bit flimsy. The Beneteau First 21 beside it has a taller mast and beefier mast step. 

The beam is also quite narrow, so although it looks sporty, it lacks that true, French, offshore-inspired dingy shape.

Again, just a focus group of one...

 

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Elan used to make performance oriented boats, the 310 comes to mind. They also had a few dealers in the US, but I am not sure if they (or the company itself) is still around.

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Because they're very beamy boats with lots of wetted surface area that don't necessarily point well but go on a reach like shit off a shovel. This is great in Europe where random leg courses in more breeze are much more standard.. The focus on windward leeward racing in the US combined with the fact that most of the sailing centers here tend to have lighter breeze to overcome all that wetted surface area drag means that they aren't as popular as say a J120 for short handed racing. 

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A friend of mine has a Seascape and in the light and medium she's quite the slug. Looks faster than she actually is or maybe just needs more pressure, I don't know...  

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23 hours ago, TBone said:

Have you experience with the 275 Sport?

Will it get out of its own way?

She will not get out of her own way. Needs a square top main or atleast a 120/code 0 up front. Rig is flimsy, depowers well though. Build quality is mediocre at best.

 

Way over priced for what she is. Would much rather be sailing a seascape 24.

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46 minutes ago, Bowchow said:

She will not get out of her own way. Needs a square top main or atleast a 120/code 0 up front. Rig is flimsy, depowers well though. Build quality is mediocre at best.

 

Way over priced for what she is. Would much rather be sailing a seascape 24.

...or a clean, used J80 for less than half the price.

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