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1 hour ago, Last Post said:

Many years ago Witt  embarked on a long two-handed yacht race with a female co-skipper. The dynamic did not work out and It all turned to custard ending their race in considerable acrimony.

His misogyny is well known, remember his "there will be no mixed crew on Scallywag in the VOR, we are in this to win" outburst. He was overruled on that one ...

Last I think they were the only two who didn't think their marriage for that Osaka race would end in a quicky divorce. 

That no chicks outburst was in the early days and I think he overruled himself looking at crew logistics versus weight saving advantages of only blokes.

He is not a likeable chap but the world is full of them, but more importantly with regard to this bullshit Bessie knew first hand what was in store before she signed up from a position of already having a ride on the Paintwagon, with no guarantee of being on board for all legs while Witt offered her the complete tour of the orange.

Sad thing is the wankers who instigated this 69er have now branded her as a victim, which she ain't by a country mile. She is a very tough cookie. In fact I reakon Witt would be more in fear of/listen to her opinion on that boat than many of the blokes.

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46 minutes ago, random said:

I had a regular female crew member for a few years.  She was always given the forward V-berth so she could use the head at night, we just pissed over the back.

Can you sit down on the pushpit on your boat? I never noticed. 

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1 hour ago, Last Post said:

 

Many years ago Witt  embarked on a long two-handed yacht race with a female co-skipper. The dynamic did not work out and It all turned to custard ending their race in considerable acrimony. 

 

So if he gets into an argument with a woman it's because he's a misogynist?

That's not really fair, is it? We know that he gets into argument with all kinds of genders. He's clearly not discriminating in that department.

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Just now, NORBowGirl said:

That's not really fair, is it?

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4 hours ago, SimonN said:

Maybe.Consider the non sailing mother of a 1-14 year old daughter finding that daughter watching the video on the Volvo website. My bet would be that most mothers would be pretty upset by it (after answering the question of "what is a scrotum!")

I'm sure my partner would prefer to explain a "scrotum" to my daughter rather than

  • golden shower
  • Rimming
  • beasteality
  • masturbation
  • dildos
  • pig on the spit
  • Whore
  • Homopyronecrorapaedophobotaurophiliac
  • Bukkake

 

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2 minutes ago, hoppy said:

I'm sure my partner would prefer to explain a "scrotum" to my daughter rather than

  • golden shower
  • Rimming
  • beasteality
  • masturbation
  • dildos
  • pig on the spit
  • Whore
  • Homopyronecrorapaedophobotaurophiliac
  • Bukkake

 

What is a pig on a spit hoppy?

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8 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Can you sit down on the pushpit on your boat?

LB randumb does sit, but unfortunately suffers wet tail and nose disease on account of this practice. I understand Musto have a new line coming out to address this issue.

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4 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

misogynist?

That is such an overused bullshit word. 

The dictionary definition is "a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women" but the way people throw it at men indicate that they think it means "a man who is not 100% PC, is not a hard core feminist who has not chopped off his own balls and is someone who treats women equal to men, rather than treating them with kid gloves out of fear of offending some keyboard warrior" .

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6 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

What is a pig on a spit hoppy?

a threesome with 2 guys one girl. One at either end so there is no scrotum clashes...

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3 minutes ago, hoppy said:

a threesome with 2 guys one girl. One at either end so there is no scrotum clashes...

Why don't you take this shit on the forums you usually frequent.  Given the topic ... it's not cool mate.  No one needs this shit here.

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11 minutes ago, random said:

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Randumb speaking of shit can you please expand this picture you keep posting to show the tube between your arse and the bottom of that box? You have perfected the fine art of eating and speaking your own shit at the same time, and shouldn't be afraid of that accolade.

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Looks like Jack supports the shit Hoppy is posting

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2 minutes ago, random said:

Why don't you take this shit on the forums you usually frequent.  Given the topic ... it's not cool mate.  No one needs this shit here.

This is a non event topic that you are trying to blow out of all proportion. If it wasn't for idiots like you bitching or moaning because your mangina has a itch causing you need to make yourself feel important by banging on about it, then this would be a non event.... 

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23 minutes ago, hoppy said:

I'm sure my partner would prefer to explain a "scrotum" to my daughter rather than

  • golden shower
  • Rimming
  • beasteality
  • masturbation
  • dildos
  • pig on the spit
  • Whore
  • Homopyronecrorapaedophobotaurophiliac
  • Bukkake
  • Blue waffle 
  • Brazilian fart porn
  • BDSM
  • Dirty Sanchez
  • Rodeo
  • Rusty Trombome
  • Milk Slide

 

Added a few.

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3 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

 

Added a few

Thanks...

If the worst a parent ever has to encounter when their child is on the internet is scrotum, then either they are very lucky parents or they live in North Korea

 

I thought that UK women being prudes was one of those inaccurate stereotypes. I guess it must be the foreign woman in the UK who partake in dogging..

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I think this rule 69 is more about the modern corporate world than people actually being offended. 

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3 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

you forgot draw packing.

I had to google "draw packing sex" LoL 

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14 minutes ago, hoppy said:

This is a non event topic that you are trying to blow out of all proportion. If it wasn't for idiots like you bitching or moaning because your mangina has a itch causing you need to make yourself feel important by banging on about it, then this would be a non event.... 

This forum is a pretty tolerant lot, but you have crossed the line.  You are one sick puppy.

 

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23 minutes ago, random said:

Looks like Jack supports the shit Hoppy is posting

How disengenous of you ...if it wasn't for the shit here (just like I'm doing now) you would have nothing to top up your trollers popcorn box with to eat in between your own shitting and troll speak. Don't you realise a quick call to arms here, you then go on collective ignore, then you starve a slow death with belts from the TrollBusters to hasten your demise? Ring up Alinguist if you need a second opinion on that.

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4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

How disengenous of you ...if it wasn't for the shit here you would have nothing to top up your trollers popcorn box up with in between your own shitting and troll speak. Don't you realise a quick call to arms here, you then go on collective ignore, then you starve a slow death? 

Ignore me then.  I can bag you out on another level and not even be challenged.  Thx in advance.

But  everyone has their boundaries and that Hoppy is one defective unit.  And someone lets him comment on females on boats?

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Some of you are hard work! What you do in the privacy of your own boat with your own friends or guests on board is totally up to you and you can set your own standard. The Volvo is a professional race, the boats are their work place and the crew are employees. They have to behave to a totally different standard to what you do in private.

42 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

So if he gets into an argument with a woman it's because he's a misogynist?

That's not really fair, is it? We know that he gets into argument with all kinds of genders. He's clearly not discriminating in that department.

I have known Witty for over 20 years and I would say he is a misogynist. Yes, he will pick an argument with anybody, but he is deeply prejudiced about the ability of women and their place in our sport. People saw a hint of it in his original comments about women on his boat and on women in the race in general. The only reason a woman is on his boat is because he had no other option. Added to his deep set views is a total lack of filter, which does mean you know exactly where you stand with Witty and what he thinks, but which is why most people consider him to be a loose cannon and why, until now and despite trying hard for the last 20 years, he had been unable to get a sponsor for the Volvo.

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3 minutes ago, random said:

Ignore me then. 

You don't get it do you? I'm one of the TrollBusters who are here to the end to finish you off so you join Alinguist if you don't change your ways..like pretty soon.

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12 minutes ago, SimonN said:

Some of you are hard work!

I have known Witty for over 20 years ...

..and you don't get it do you by turning this into a play the man thing using you personel knowledge? This shit is more than that.

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5 minutes ago, SimonN said:

Some of you are hard work! What you do in the privacy of your own boat with your own friends or guests on board is totally up to you and you can set your own standard. The Volvo is a professional race, the boats are their work place and the crew are employees. They have to behave to a totally different standard to what you do in private.

I have known Witty for over 20 years and I would say he is a misogynist. Yes, he will pick an argument with anybody, but he is deeply prejudiced about the ability of women and their place in our sport. People saw a hint of it in his original comments about women on his boat and on women in the race in general. The only reason a woman is on his boat is because he had no other option. Added to his deep set views is a total lack of filter, which does mean you know exactly where you stand with Witty and what he thinks, but which is why most people consider him to be a loose cannon and why, until now and despite trying hard for the last 20 years, he had been unable to get a sponsor for the Volvo.

If he only includes women if he has no other option, why was Annemieke onboard for the S2H with him? And why did Ragamuffin always have a female crew member?

 

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10 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

You don't get it do you? I'm one of the TrollBusters who are here to the end to finish you off so you join Alinguist if you don't change your ways..like pretty soon.

So how's that going so far?

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Jack's gone soft.  No fun at all.  Given up.  Have you ever heard of of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby?  Look it up.

Meanwhile, back at the VoR missing skipper thread ...

Edit: Jack targets the guy who predicted what Witty would do, but supports the distasteful shit that twisted Hoppy is posting.  Nice ...

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1 hour ago, hoppy said:

I'm sure my partner would prefer to explain a "scrotum" to my daughter rather than

  • golden shower
  • Rimming
  • beasteality
  • masturbation
  • dildos
  • pig on the spit
  • Whore
  • Homopyronecrorapaedophobotaurophiliac
  • Bukkake

 

what kind of videos do you let your daughter watch?

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3 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

what kind of videos do you let your daughter watch?

Let her watch ?  

Does she let you watch what you like ?

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Guys, this is getting a little too close to the boundary.  I recommend tacking now, before it's too late.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Ask Scanas..wasn't he with you?

Not me jack. Would have been way past my bedtime when that happened.

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1 hour ago, hoppy said:

a threesome with 2 guys one girl. One at either end so there is no scrotum clashes...

I have led a sheltered life...

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9 minutes ago, FromTheRail said:

I am surprised none of the offended people have been offended by calling her Dr Clogs, would that not be racism in your views??

Not racism, but rather offensive to a real Cloggy like Annemieke, for sure.

You know, Dr. Clogs are not the real deal, they are from Sweden, home of Volvo and the Smorre CEO's.

The plot thickens...

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Here is the real Dr. Klomp on her way to the PC Tribunal, still smiling.

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1 hour ago, random said:

Ignore me then.  I can bag you out on another level and not even be challenged.  Thx in advance.

But  everyone has their boundaries and that Hoppy is one defective unit.  And someone lets him comment on females on boats?

I'm just highlighting Simon that there are VERY many things in the internet world that a parent should fear more than scrotum...

 

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46 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

what kind of videos do you let your daughter watch?

Wiggles, Hi-5 and LBB 

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58 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

If he only includes women if he has no other option, why was Annemieke onboard for the S2H with him? And why did Ragamuffin always have a female crew member?

 

That is not what I said at all. He had no other option in the Volvo. Did you follow what he said about mixed crews in the Volvo and his disparaging comments about women in the race? This is not the first time Witty has been called out for inappropriate comments or behaviour towards women. As for the S2H, why do you think Witty liked to have women on board;).

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30 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

I have led a sheltered life...

This will never be the same for you...

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1 minute ago, SimonN said:

That is not what I said at all. He had no other option in the Volvo. Did you follow what he said about mixed crews in the Volvo and his disparaging comments about women in the race? This is not the first time Witty has been called out for inappropriate comments or behaviour towards women. As for the S2H, why do you think Witty liked to have women on board;).

Besides you and a couple of other posters, who else has fantasised that the video contained "inappropriate comments or behaviour towards women"?

Stop creating fake offence..... You are doing nothing more than patronising AB because you think she is too weak to know that she should stand up against that behaviour.

 

At least Random mostly is taking the attitude that the video leaving the yacht was wrong and that it might not fit the VOR corporate image. 

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42 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Not racism, but rather offensive to a real Cloggy like Annemieke, for sure.

2 hours ago, FromTheRail said:

I am surprised none of the offended people have been offended by calling her Dr Clogs, would that not be racism in your views??

Offensive...Fiji you missed Rails sarcasm font and obviously need to get out more as you clearly know fuck all about the lowlander people and joining the dots with Bessie who happens to have some medical training

For instance I think it was Carolijn Brouwer who posted on social media  about in her words a "Cloggy" from all teams get together day/lunch last week in or just outside CT and where they all turned up.

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19 minutes ago, SimonN said:

That is not what I said at all. He had no other option in the Volvo. Did you follow what he said about mixed crews in the Volvo and his disparaging comments about women in the race? This is not the first time Witty has been called out for inappropriate comments or behaviour towards women. As for the S2H, why do you think Witty liked to have women on board;).

Whats the insinuation here then?

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26 minutes ago, SimonN said:

That is not what I said at all. He had no other option in the Volvo. Did you follow what he said about mixed crews in the Volvo and his disparaging comments about women in the race? This is not the first time Witty has been called out for inappropriate comments or behaviour towards women. As for the S2H, why do you think Witty liked to have women on board;).

You seem to be entering the obsessed zealot zone. 

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1 hour ago, random said:

Guys, this is getting a little too close to the boundary.  I recommend tacking now, before it's too late.

Which button do we use??

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1 hour ago, random said:

Jack's gone soft.  No fun at all.  Given up.  Have you ever heard of of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby? 

OK just a moment's grace...Are you now trying to say in defence of your persistent idiocy that you were framed by one of your RC gerbil crew who happened to be African?

 

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40 minutes ago, SimonN said:

As for the S2H, why do you think Witty liked to have women on board;).

Crystal clear now where you have been going..Witty cut your lunch.

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I suspect that some of the attitudes shown on both sides of this argument are cultural. What to some nationalities this seem wrong, to others it is harmless banter. I am sorry i am in the former camp, but it is probably a result of my background. I used to be business development director for a major computer manufacturer looking after the UK. One of my side roles was being a champion for women in the workplace and in that role, I used to speak at conferences and also was a spokesman for all press including TV. When we had problems of sexual harassment, I used to work with the director of HR to resolve the issues. 

In that situation, we often took legal advise and on a few occasions we needed to get advise from a specialist barrister. By coincidence, some years later, the one we used  joined the same golf club as me and we became friends. I decided last night to run this past him, to see if i was being a dickhead about this. His reply, besides claiming I am always a dickhead whether I am right or wrong, was very interesting. His view is that if this happened in a UK workplace, he would have recommended the termination of Witty and Hayles and formal written warnings for the others. If the sponsor had been one of his UK clients, he would have recommended the sacking of Witty.

What I didn't expect him to say was something I had completely missed but I totally agreed with. Anybody who thinks this was a one off is simply kidding themselves and that it is highly unlikely that this was the worst behaviour. He also pointed out that clearly Witty knew that what he was doing was offensive at the very lest. No excuses!

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6 minutes ago, SimonN said:

What to some nationalities this seem wrong, to others it is harmless banter.

Good post.

No there are no nationality issues here.  He was clearly acting in an inappropriate way.

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4 minutes ago, SimonN said:

I used to be business development director for a major computer manufacturer looking after the UK.

That would have been testing job for that market...though no sneeze saying an Abacus was a computer without wires.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Can you all please put Randumb on ignore...no quoting please...starve the dead cunt.

Yeah, it's kind of useless if everyone else keeps quoting...

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22 minutes ago, SimonN said:

I suspect that some of the attitudes shown on both sides of this argument are cultural. What to some nationalities this seem wrong, to others it is harmless banter. I am sorry i am in the former camp, but it is probably a result of my background. I used to be business development director for a major computer manufacturer looking after the UK. One of my side roles was being a champion for women in the workplace and in that role, I used to speak at conferences and also was a spokesman for all press including TV. When we had problems of sexual harassment, I used to work with the director of HR to resolve the issues. 

In that situation, we often took legal advise and on a few occasions we needed to get advise from a specialist barrister. By coincidence, some years later, the one we used  joined the same golf club as me and we became friends. I decided last night to run this past him, to see if i was being a dickhead about this. His reply, besides claiming I am always a dickhead whether I am right or wrong, was very interesting. His view is that if this happened in a UK workplace, he would have recommended the termination of Witty and Hayles and formal written warnings for the others. If the sponsor had been one of his UK clients, he would have recommended the sacking of Witty.

What I didn't expect him to say was something I had completely missed but I totally agreed with. Anybody who thinks this was a one off is simply kidding themselves and that it is highly unlikely that this was the worst behaviour. He also pointed out that clearly Witty knew that what he was doing was offensive at the very lest. No excuses!

It must be a british thing then... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11443030/Alan-Bennett-England-excels-at-one-thing...-hypocrisy.html

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Offensive...Fiji you missed Rails sarcasm font and obviously need to get out more as you clearly know fuck all about the lowlander people and joining the dots with Bessie who happens to have some medical training

For instance I think it was Carolijn Brouwer who posted on social media  about in her words a "Cloggy" from all teams get together day/lunch last week in or just outside CT and where they all turned up.

 

Didn't miss a beat, you must learn to read, I was talking about Dr. Clog !.

You said somewhere that you have family in Amsterdam, on the Walletjes probably, so you know it all.

And isn't Dirk an old Pirate friend of yours too, wooden head etc.   Laid any Cloggy girls ?

I have actually sailed with quite a few Dutch girls, ex Whitbread amongst them, and oh no, they snatched me in the crotch, just for fun.

BTW, sat on a dinner with Carolijn once, and the whole Amer Sport Too crew, was great fun.

Build some boats in the "Lowlands", in Vollenhove and Breskens, talk about knowing the Dutch...

Anyway, your point was ?  Oh yeah, "joining the dots with Bessie who happens to have some medical training".

Don't you worry, old boy, in a few months I will join her dots, and will post a picture, just for you.

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3 hours ago, hoppy said:

That is such an overused bullshit word. 

The dictionary definition is "a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women" but the way people throw it at men indicate that they think it means "a man who is not 100% PC, is not a hard core feminist who has not chopped off his own balls and is someone who treats women equal to men, rather than treating them with kid gloves out of fear of offending some keyboard warrior" .

http://www.betootaadvocate.com/advocate-in-focus/you-cant-say-anything-these-days-says-man-who-says-whatever-he-wants-all-the-time/

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21 minutes ago, SimonN said:

we needed to get advise from a specialist barrister.... I decided last night to run this past him....

His view is that if this happened in a UK workplace, he would have recommended the termination of Witty and Hayles.. 

My ex father in-law is a High Court Judge (who originaly hated my guts as I ended up with half his daughters inheritance and spent half of my half on a boat bigger than his and the other half on a nubile replacement)...anyway I just ran this and your legal back up opinion past him. He simply said "your fuckin joking and I hope that barrister's Mini Minor doesn't break down soon". A man who has an economy with words.

 

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2 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Not racism, but rather offensive to a real Cloggy like Annemieke, for sure.

 

25 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Didn't miss a beat, you must learn to read, I was talking about Dr. Clog !.

No you weren't you back tracking little weasel...you introduced the Dr bit.

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9 minutes ago, random said:

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Fool doesn't even realise we have paid the popcorn to eat him and his shit...I hope Corny is up to the task.

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3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

No you weren't you back tracking little weasel.

Reading comprehension much or fucking blind ?

You see, let me explain, Witty called her Dr. Clog, but Dr. Clog is a Swedish cloggy, and Annemieke is a real Dutch cloggy, and Sweden is not the Lowlands, and Volvo is Swedish and Smorro is shit, and the finish is in Scheveningen, they still walk on klompen there.

Got it now ?  G'nite !

 

 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Can you all please put Randumb on ignore...no quoting please...starve the dead cunt.

After the racist shit he posted yesterday, I am surprised that the Random-problem hasn't solved itself by now.
He is like Dabs on sterorids :wacko:

Actually I could get behind the all ignore initiative. It would be my first ignore here on SA, but everyone with a functioning moral compass would probably make an exception in this case.
 

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2 hours ago, SimonN said:

That is not what I said at all. He had no other option in the Volvo. Did you follow what he said about mixed crews in the Volvo and his disparaging comments about women in the race? This is not the first time Witty has been called out for inappropriate comments or behaviour towards women. As for the S2H, why do you think Witty liked to have women on board;).

I did follow that, and I thought it was stupid comments. If I remember correctly,  I wrote here that I hoped he would regret the decision of having no women :) Because he should take as many as possible. Now at that time the only woman he'd want to have onboard because he already knew her, Annemieke, was with another team. But when she became available he changed his mind. Including a woman he already knew wouldn't be a social experiment anymore.

I think many of us have said things that are true in a given context, and when the context changes we have to change our minds. Sometimes that's just fine, other times it's embarrassing. I for one have made many mistakes.

I don't really know why he liked to have women on board for the S2H, what do you mean? Was Annemieke not there as a regular crew member?

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For the record and on behalf of all the Clogs in this dump I'm astronomically offended at the use of the word 'clog' every five minutes.  That also includes the visual representations!

Now put that in yer pipe and shmoke it :lol:

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1 hour ago, SimonN said:

One of my side roles was being a champion for women in the workplace and in that role, I used to speak at conferences and also was a spokesman for all press including TV.

 

A champion for women in the workplace? Exactly how did you do that? Showed them how to do their job, as women? 

Aha, you mean you did lobby-work to recruit more women?

carry on :)

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13 minutes ago, Laser1 said:

For the record and on behalf of all the Clogs in this dump I'm astronomically offended at the use of the word 'clog' every five minutes.  That also includes the visual representations!

Now put that in yer pipe and shmoke it :lol:

 

The Sint is on his way to put you in the zak , right now !

 

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4 hours ago, NORBowGirl said:

So if he gets into an argument with a woman it's because he's a misogynist?

That's not really fair, is it? We know that he gets into argument with all kinds of genders. He's clearly not discriminating in that department.

I used the term misogynist because I thought the word cunt to be a little indelicate. Asshole just doesn't seem to cut it either. Any other suggestions?

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4 minutes ago, Last Post said:

I used the term misogynist because I thought the word cunt to be a little indelicate. Asshole just doesn't seem to cut it either. Any other suggestions?

I have no problems with the word misogynist, I'm just responding to the way this was portrayed. So he had an argument with a woman, was that because she was a woman?  Probably not. They probably just hated each other as persons, no matter the gender. If I have an argument with you, it's not because you're a man.

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3 minutes ago, NORBowGirl said:

I have no problems with the word misogynist, I'm just responding to the way this was portrayed. So he had an argument with a woman, was that because she was a woman?  Probably not. They probably just hated each other as persons, no matter the gender. If I have an argument with you, it's not because you're a man.

Point is, he has form. Plenty of it. Goes back decades. Does not play well with others, in particular female others. Huge superiority complex. 

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2 hours ago, SimonN said:

As for the S2H, why do you think Witty liked to have women on board;).

As a friend of Annamieke,  I can say that your comment here is a damn sight more offensive and patronising to her than anything in that video. 

Witty gave her a spot on the Sydney Hobart because she is a capable Sailor; same reason he took her on the VOR. 

Considering you claim to have been a champion for women in the workplace, and then also claim (with a sly nod and a wink) that they are on a boat for just one reason, I think you are sadly lacking in clear thought.

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2 hours ago, SimonN said:

I suspect that some of the attitudes shown on both sides of this argument are cultural. What to some nationalities this seem wrong, to others it is harmless banter. I am sorry i am in the former camp, but it is probably a result of my background. I used to be business development director for a major computer manufacturer looking after the UK. One of my side roles was being a champion for women in the workplace and in that role, I used to speak at conferences and also was a spokesman for all press including TV. When we had problems of sexual harassment, I used to work with the director of HR to resolve the issues. 

In that situation, we often took legal advise and on a few occasions we needed to get advise from a specialist barrister. By coincidence, some years later, the one we used  joined the same golf club as me and we became friends. I decided last night to run this past him, to see if i was being a dickhead about this. His reply, besides claiming I am always a dickhead whether I am right or wrong, was very interesting. His view is that if this happened in a UK workplace, he would have recommended the termination of Witty and Hayles and formal written warnings for the others. If the sponsor had been one of his UK clients, he would have recommended the sacking of Witty.

What I didn't expect him to say was something I had completely missed but I totally agreed with. Anybody who thinks this was a one off is simply kidding themselves and that it is highly unlikely that this was the worst behaviour. He also pointed out that clearly Witty knew that what he was doing was offensive at the very lest. No excuses!

Corporations were forced to institute strict laws against sexual harassment in the work place because they were losing millions in law suits.  I doubt anything would have changed otherwise.  It's not like men were stepping up for women saying that they were morally offended that women were being harassed left and right.  

Hypocrisy isn't a cultural issue.

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Potter said:

As a friend of Annamieke,  I can say that your comment here is a damn sight more offensive and patronising to her than anything in that video. 

Witty gave her a spot on the Sydney Hobart because she is a capable Sailor; same reason he took her on the VOR. 

Considering you claim to have been a champion for women in the workplace, and then also claim (with a sly nod and a wink) that they are on a boat for just one reason, I think you are sadly lacking in clear thought.

Exactly, maybe Simon would care to explain that comment?

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3 hours ago, hoppy said:

Besides you and a couple of other posters, who else has fantasised that the video contained "inappropriate comments or behaviour towards women"?

Stop creating fake offence..... You are doing nothing more than patronising AB because you think she is too weak to know that she should stand up against that behaviour.

 

At least Random mostly is taking the attitude that the video leaving the yacht was wrong and that it might not fit the VOR corporate image. 

Is SA the only site you visit sir? There were rather more than a "couple of other posters" on Scallywag's Facebook page and NOT by people who hide behind fictitious screen names. I would hardly call that fake offence.

You need to get out more hoppy.

The yacht did not fit more than "the VOR corporate image". It was hardly good for the sport/activity of sailing and its reputation as an activity a family could take part in.

I have not met or spoken with a REAL sailor face to face who thought the video should have been posted on the internet and I know a LOT of sailors.

Anyway, Thursday, South African time will let us all know what the officialdom think. IF Sailing Illustrated is correct in that John Doerr is the investigator then they might find they don't get the easy let off they did in Hong Kong.

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7 hours ago, Last Post said:

A bit of history / conspiracy theory, call it what you will:

Many years ago Witt  embarked on a long two-handed yacht race with a female co-skipper. The dynamic did not work out and It all turned to custard ending their race in considerable acrimony. 

She went on to develop a very strong offshore racing career on her own merits and is a competitor in this VOR on a different boat. It has been suggested Witt's personal motivation in doing the VOR is along the lines of 'anything you can do, I can do better' in relation to his former co-skipper. She is a good friend of the female sailor on DWs boat. Not too hard to put the rest together?

His misogyny is well known, remember his "there will be no mixed crew on Scallywag in the VOR, we are in this to win" outburst. He was overruled on that one but it looks like history may have come back to bite him hard, dare I say it, on the scrotum.

Which Melbourne Osaka race was that?

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21 minutes ago, mad said:

Which Melbourne Osaka race was that?

Mad it was the 1999 Osaka edition that coincidently SimonN's missus went to Melbourne to see her sister that year. It was straight after the 97/98 VOR when Witty went around on Innovation Kvaerner driven by Knut so the Witt had raised a few bucks and was feeling bullet proof. Didn't end well.

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1 hour ago, Laser1 said:

For the record and on behalf of all the Clogs in this dump I'm astronomically offended at the use of the word 'clog' every five minutes.

Laser me too by association but I'm OK with >20 minutes?

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20 minutes ago, pudge said:

I can't say I've ever worked on a professional crew/nor hired anyone that cracked lame, childish, asinine jokes at the expense of others. 

Well that’s a readily met assertion. I shortened the text for you to clarify and save the wear on your keyboard. 

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1 hour ago, Last Post said:

Point is, he has form. Plenty of it. Goes back decades. Does not play well with others, in particular female others. Huge superiority complex. 

Big deal. He is not alone there if one cares to start scribbling down name names. You will need more than one page though. If God made M&M's the same colour no one would be happy.

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10 hours ago, SimonN said:

 

Has it brought the sport into disrepute? Maybe.Consider the non sailing mother of a 1-14 year old daughter finding that daughter watching the video on the Volvo website. My bet would be that most mothers would be pretty upset by it (after answering the question of "what is a scrotum!")

If parents haven't taught their 14 year old the parts of the human body yet, they should lose their parenting license

 

 

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33 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Anyway, Thursday, South African time will let us all know what the officialdom think. IF Sailing Illustrated is correct in that John Doerr is the investigator then they might find they don't get the easy let off they did in Hong Kong.

Just read a comment in Sailing Illustrated, of all places to go for info, that Doerr is in, of all bait names  , Phuket

"Presently John Doerr is in charge of the jury at King's Cup in Phuket..."

Does this mean he won't be at the hearing Thursday? Confused about the role of the EDIO.

btw, the comments on SI are pretty much the same as here, without the gifs.

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10 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

If parents haven't taught their 14 year old the parts of the human body yet, they should lose their parenting license

 

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this

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4 minutes ago, mad said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this

Well, actually the parents are discovering that the kids are the teachers, thanks to the 'playground' being extended into all reaches of the internet.

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54 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Mad it was the 1999 Osaka edition that coincidently SimonN's missus went to Melbourne to see her sister that year. It was straight after the 97/98 VOR when Witty went around on Innovation Kvaerner driven by Knut so the Witt had raised a few bucks and was feeling bullet proof. Didn't end well.

I forget to add the transition pics in that 20 year period for you Mad...no wonder SimonN has got his panties in a knot, he based trust on Witty's wedding ring.

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