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8 minutes ago, warbird said:

Feed, crops, manure, m8lk?

Fucking Socialist. 

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19 minutes ago, warbird said:

Feed, crops, manure, m8lk?

80,000 lbs of manure is a lot. Maybe a delivery to the White House?

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12 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Fucking Socialist. 

More a commie I think - re-read his post about everyone sharing the roads to get their food and other stuff.

Collectivism.

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6 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

More a commie I think - re-read his post about everyone sharing the roads to get their food and other stuff.

Collectivism.

Commies are ownership by the state. He’s looking for subsidies for the basics. Socialism.

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2 hours ago, warbird said:

Re do your math, an 18 wheeler has 4200 lb per tire, car has 800- 1200 per tire. Read much?

my bad.

2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Sorry Frenchie but cars are a whole lot heavier now - the old land yachts rarely broke 4000 Lbs and now the vast majority of cars are over that.

They had bigger dimensions back then but they were empty shells compared to now. A '59 Chevy Impala weighed about 3500 Lbs while a current Honda Accord weighs 3600. Back then a car the size of an Accord would have been only a little over 1 ton.

A Suburban weighs nearly 3 tons while even a '59 Caddy barely cleared 5000 Lbs.

Those door intrusion beams, crashproof bumpers, rollover beams etc. etc. add a whole lot of weight.

This was news to me.  I'd assumed the old steel cars were a lot heavier than modern mostly-plastic jobs... They feel heavier, when accelerating, &/or stopping... huh.

Note, I'm not much of a car guy; don't drive much, never have. 

 

2 hours ago, warbird said:

Road paving and road bed constuction have changed dramaticly since . You do know agricultural licenses greatly exceed 80000 lb. Special tax for them?

For road wear & tear, it's not vehicle weight that matters.  It's weight per axle, weight per wheel, and weight per inch of wheel width.  IOW: speard over how many square inches?

Pretty sure a semi, fully loaded, would sink into the surfaces that most farm machinery drives over on a regular basis.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, frenchie said:

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For road wear & tear, it's not vehicle weight that matters.  It's weight per axle, weight per wheel, and weight per inch of wheel width.  IOW: speard over how many square inches?

Pretty sure a semi, fully loaded, would sink into the surfaces that most farm machinery drives over on a regular basis.

 

Yes and no. Total vehicle weight is the single biggest factors. You can spread it out over umpty-X wheels, but unless you make some kind of very long articulated truck then the weight on the road is still approaching/over it's limit. Less PSI is good, but consider the road surface and it's substrate as a bridge. It has a buckling limit which is more a function of how much weight per unit length rather than PSI. That's why they put rebar in really hi traffic roads.

-DSK

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Anybody who tries to say that big trucks don't wreck roads is an idiot - pure and simple.

Just look at any piece of road that has big trucks running on it constantly - like around a port access. The roads are fucked all the time.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Anybody who tries to say that big trucks don't wreck roads is an idiot - pure and simple.

Just look at any piece of road that has big trucks running on it constantly - like around a port access. The roads are fucked all the time.

Hmmm maybe in countries that won't spend on infrastructure.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Anybody who tries to say that big trucks don't wreck roads is an idiot - pure and simple.

Just look at any piece of road that has big trucks running on it constantly - like around a port access. The roads are fucked all the time.

I can attest to this.

When I moved here, US 17 was a two lane road, little used, and I don't recall it being resurfaced over about 20 years that I had been using it prior to moving here.

Now it's four lane and we have a SuperMegaLoMart Distribution Center just up the road (not coincidentally, just over the county line). There's not much in the other direction, so a large number of their trucks use the stretch of road leading back toward the interstate 24/7. And it's always torn to shit. It has been resurfaced a couple of times in the past few years and is due again.

The distribution center is in DeSoto County but the damage happens here in Charlotte County.

Which is fair enough, since many of the employees live here, there being no good reason for anyone to live in DeSoto County.

Are the MegaLoTrucks being charged appropriately for the damage? If they are, the cost is being passed to the MegaLoShoppers also using the road. If they're not, the MegaLoShoppers are paying via their gas tax. So either way, MegaLoShoppers pay.

There's a RR that runs alongside the highway the whole way.

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Excuse me for the slight thread tangent, but talking of the elderly and infirm for a moment.

How the hell do the poor, elderly, infirm or homeless keep warm  in a US winter?

Do you have special scoops or snowmobiles that drag the frozen out of the snowdrifts before Spring comes and unpleasant smells drown out the daffs?

It is a serious question? Are they allowed to live in your subways?

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4 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Excuse me for the slight thread tangent, but talking of the elderly and infirm for a moment.

How the hell do the poor, elderly, infirm or homeless keep warm  in a US winter?

Do you have special scoops or snowmobiles that drag the frozen out of the snowdrifts before Spring comes and unpleasant smells drown out the daffs?

It is a serious question? Are they allowed to live in your subways?

That's an Excellent question.  Here's a link that might help

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9 hours ago, warbird said:

See post 375. I REALLY don 't care. Every person in the US relies on truck transport for some or most neccessities of life. I do understand the static v dynamic. Our whole commercial infrastructure is built on truck hauling finished good, raw materials, produce, food, dry goods. Taxes pay the freight so to speak for that system. Libruls cost the US a ton of $, should we tax them dofferently?

What the fuck are you talking about you miserable piece of senile shit?

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No, that didn't help much.

I was just wondering with this appalling cold you're getting all the way down to Florida, how are the homeless and old people used to warmer winters going to manage?

After the mess in Puerto Rico, I don't have an awful lot of faith that the USA manages extreme and unusual weather events terribly well.

Like how does your nearest city plan to deal with this? Old and poor people have a rather sad habit of not turning heaters on when it gets cold even in normal winters.

Like I said, its a serious question. Your local papers must be covering this.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

Old and poor people have a rather sad habit of not turning heaters on when it gets cold even in normal winters.

Uh...I've never visited an old person who's house wasn't like 900 degrees in the winter.  At least in Ohio, they tend to over-compensate for the low humidity by jacking up the thermostat.  Most areas in the US have special programs for heating and the elderly.  It happens but is pretty rare since the major utilities are semi-state regulated (yea, it's complicated) but no one wants a  'grandma froze over the holiday' story.

People on the street are a different issue.  The hobo community deals with it but the homeless mentally ill and 'newbie homeless' can sometimes get caught unaware.

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4 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

Uh...I've never visited an old person who's house wasn't like 900 degrees in the winter.  At least in Ohio, they tend to over-compensate for the low humidity by jacking up the thermostat.  Most areas in the US have special programs for heating and the elderly.  It happens but is pretty rare since the major utilities are semi-state regulated (yea, it's complicated) but no one wants a  'grandma froze over the holiday' story.

People on the street are a different issue.  The hobo community deals with it but the homeless mentally ill and 'newbie homeless' can sometimes get caught unaware.

thanks..yeah, we have concessional winter rates too..But old people tend to budget very carefully..this winter cold is going to blow their usual budget to blazes..so they may be reluctant to turn that heater on. Dunno..maybe your electicity and gas bills are cheaper than here.

As for the usually homeless..they too will be caught out if the temps drop way below what they are accustoned to dealing with.

 

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10 hours ago, frenchie said:

my bad.

This was news to me.  I'd assumed the old steel cars were a lot heavier than modern mostly-plastic jobs... They feel heavier, when accelerating, &/or stopping... huh.

Note, I'm not much of a car guy; don't drive much, never have. 

 

For road wear & tear, it's not vehicle weight that matters.  It's weight per axle, weight per wheel, and weight per inch of wheel width.  IOW: speard over how many square inches?

Pretty sure a semi, fully loaded, would sink into the surfaces that most farm machinery drives over on a regular basis.

 

 

Cars run at 36 psi, trucks only 3x that.

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3 hours ago, warbird said:

Cars run at 36 psi, trucks only 3x that.

What's that got to do with anything?

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5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

What's that got to do with anything?

You mentioned weight per inch, I responded cars run 36 puond per square inch, trucks run 100 pounds per square inch ,approx 3x.

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13 minutes ago, warbird said:

You mentioned weight per inch, I responded cars run 36 puond per square inch, trucks run 100 pounds per square inch ,approx 3x.

Tire inflation pressure has nothing to do with the load on the road. Are you really that dumb?

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4 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Tire inflation pressure has nothing to do with the load on the road. Are you really that dumb?

"For road wear & tear, it's not vehicle weight that matters.  It's weight per axle, weight per wheel, and weight per inch of wheel width.  IOW: speard over how many square inches? " 

That is Frenchies post,  And YES, Pound Per Square Inch (kilograms per square meter) is a load factor universally employed in designing structures, roads and (excepting kg/m2) lunar landing vehicles.

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13 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Tire inflation pressure has nothing to do with the load on the road. Are you really that dumb?

Inflation pressure has every thing to do with load. When your tire lose air, the sidewall bilges and flattens and your load is carried on a larger footprint, the larger footprint exerts less pressure per area.

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

Inflation pressure has every thing to do with load. When your tire lose air, the sidewall bilges and flattens and your load is carried on a larger footprint, the larger footprint exerts less pressure per area.

And I expected you to debate policy. My bad.

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15 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

And I expected you to debate policy. My bad.

I do not care about the fucking policy. Are you to stupid to understand that. We have roads. Trucks use the roads. Consumers need truck deliveries. Trucks pay 20 times the license fee of cars and 4 times the fuel tax of cars. Trucks cause wear disproportianate to the extra taxes they pay. Low income consumers benefit from trucks. You hate poor poeple.  What the fuck did I miss?

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50 minutes ago, warbird said:

I do not care about the fucking policy. Are you to stupid to understand that. We have roads. Trucks use the roads. Consumers need truck deliveries. Trucks pay 20 times the license fee of cars and 4 times the fuel tax of cars. Trucks cause wear disproportianate to the extra taxes they pay. Low income consumers benefit from trucks. You hate poor poeple.  What the fuck did I miss?

The boat, apparently.

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19 minutes ago, soak_ed said:
1 hour ago, warbird said:

I do not care about the fucking policy. Are you to stupid to understand that. We have roads. Trucks use the roads. Consumers need truck deliveries. Trucks pay 20 times the license fee of cars and 4 times the fuel tax of cars. Trucks cause wear disproportianate to the extra taxes they pay. Low income consumers benefit from trucks. You hate poor poeple.  What the fuck did I miss?

The boat, apparently.

And the clue, even though we tossed it to him many times.

 

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

I do not care about the fucking policy. Are you to stupid to understand that. We have roads. Trucks use the roads. Consumers need truck deliveries. Trucks pay 20 times the license fee of cars and 4 times the fuel tax of cars. Trucks cause wear disproportianate to the extra taxes they pay. Low income consumers benefit from trucks. You hate poor poeple.  What the fuck did I miss?

Apparently nothing with your head.

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

I do not care about the fucking policy. Are you to stupid to understand that. We have roads. Trucks use the roads. Consumers need truck deliveries. Trucks pay 20 times the license fee of cars and 4 times the fuel tax of cars. Trucks cause wear disproportianate to the extra taxes they pay. Low income consumers benefit from trucks. You hate poor poeple.  What the fuck did I miss?

The point?

If trucks cost 100 times the road work (and that's a gross underestimate) and they pay 20 times the taxes and 4 times the fuel, then trucking companies are getting heavily subsidized.

Which makes them "takers."

Suck that welfare teat, WB! Suck it hard, then whine!!

-DSK

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No, no, no Steamer - everybody buys stuff that trucks carry so it's all good.

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18 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

That's an Excellent question.  Here's a link that might help

2 stage self propelled 40 hp Snow-throwers will do the trick!

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35 minutes ago, Amati said:

2 stage self propelled 40 hp Snow-throwers will do the trick!

Should have sent them to Puerto Rico, they would throw paper towels like a mofo.

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:
4 hours ago, warbird said:

I do not care about the fucking policy. Are you to stupid to understand that. We have roads. Trucks use the roads. Consumers need truck deliveries. Trucks pay 20 times the license fee of cars and 4 times the fuel tax of cars. Trucks cause wear disproportianate to the extra taxes they pay. Low income consumers benefit from trucks. You hate poor poeple.  What the fuck did I miss?

The point?

If trucks cost 100 times the road work (and that's a gross underestimate) and they pay 20 times the taxes and 4 times the fuel, then trucking companies are getting heavily subsidized.

Which makes them "takers."

Suck that welfare teat, WB! Suck it hard, then whine!!

-DSK

Highlighting so you'll notice  -  looks like he conceded that point.

He's right about the psi, I brought it up.  It affects the top-layer wear & tear, if not the understructure damage. 

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5 hours ago, warbird said:

I do not care about the fucking policy. Are you to stupid to understand that. We have roads. Trucks use the roads. Consumers need truck deliveries. Trucks pay 20 times the license fee of cars and 4 times the fuel tax of cars. Trucks cause wear disproportianate to the extra taxes they pay. Low income consumers benefit from trucks. You hate poor poeple.  What the fuck did I miss?

Hey guys, does he sound like a democRat to you?  Sounds like it to me. Just too stupid to know it.

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3 hours ago, frenchie said:

Highlighting so you'll notice  -  looks like he conceded that point.

He's right about the psi, I brought it up.  It affects the top-layer wear & tear, if not the understructure damage. 

Pretty sure his point in that statement is exactly the opposite of what you, and everyone else, understood.

Based on his ravings in this thread, I am pretty sure warbird thinks truckers pay disproportionately MORE taxes than the wear they cause, and just fumbled saying that.

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:
4 hours ago, frenchie said:

Highlighting so you'll notice  -  looks like he conceded that point.

He's right about the psi, I brought it up.  It affects the top-layer wear & tear, if not the understructure damage. 

Pretty sure his point in that statement is exactly the opposite of what you, and everyone else, understood.

Based on his ravings in this thread, I am pretty sure warbird thinks truckers pay disproportionately MORE taxes than the wear they cause, and just fumbled saying that.

Well yeah, but we're not going to stop him when he's jumping up and down on his own dick. What's the fun in that?

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5 hours ago, frenchie said:

He's right about the psi, I brought it up.  It affects the top-layer wear & tear, if not the understructure damage. 

Hard tires are hard? Whodathunkit?

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

I am pretty sure warbird thinks truckers pay disproportionately MORE taxes than the wear they cause, and just fumbled saying that.

BTW:  That's generically true.  There are some situations - like tolls around major cities - where cars can get soaked - but in most of the roads in america, the majority of taxes are paid by transient users - namely trucks and recreational vehicles.  The taxes don't have anything to do with the actual damage that the user causes.  The taxes are collected from users that don't have any choice but to pay it - and more importantly, can't vote the officials that instituted the tax out of office.  That's basic game theory. 

FWIW, I find the arguments into 'fairness' to be esoteric nonsense.  There is no Pinocchio test for 'deserving'.  Agree on a minimum level of services that will be provided just because you're a human and tax everyone accordingly by whatever mechanism is hardest to game.

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3 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

BTW:  That's generically true.  There are some situations - like tolls around major cities - where cars can get soaked - but in most of the roads in america, the majority of taxes are paid by transient users - namely trucks and recreational vehicles.  The taxes don't have anything to do with the actual damage that the user causes.  The taxes are collected from users that don't have any choice but to pay it - and more importantly, can't vote the officials that instituted the tax out of office.  That's basic game theory. 

FWIW, I find the arguments into 'fairness' to be esoteric nonsense.  There is no Pinocchio test for 'deserving'.  Agree on a minimum level of services that will be provided just because you're a human and tax everyone accordingly by whatever mechanism is hardest to game.

MilliVanilli a Socialist. Who knew?

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From the cite

Medicare has different ways of applying penalties. It can impose a specific fine for a particular violation. It can assess a fine for each day that a nursing home was in violation. Or it can deny payments for new admissions.

Just collecting taxes fines on mistreatment isn't enough.

Shutting down those who collect the medicare and medicaid bucks while providing bad or inadequate service would seem like a good idea, eh?

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6 hours ago, frenchie said:

Highlighting so you'll notice  -  looks like he conceded that point.

He's right about the psi, I brought it up.  It affects the top-layer wear & tear, if not the understructure damage. 

I did not argue the point so much a show that there is a huge difference in taxing vehicles. I did mention dynamic loading and I still don't care. Look at it this way. The Dakota wheat grower gains little or nothing from the coastal safety the Coast Guard offers to May Day calls etc yet pays the same. The guy who owns a corner lot pays twice for street assessments but does not get twice the garbage collection, twice the fire and police protection.Taxation will not always be equal. If you want to argue tax equality, the 1/2 the US that doesn't pay taxes , should? Why do you hate poor people?

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5 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Hey guys, does he sound like a democRat to you?  Sounds like it to me. Just too stupid to know it.

Actually, building roads is one of the things that the constitution requires of congress ( Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 ) so he could just be a constitutional fundamentalist.

Since we now ride on the "Information Superhighway" providing ubiquitous broadband access under the postal clause would be an excellent contribution to the general welfare with private industry providing the devices and applications.  That model works well for GPS.

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23 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

MilliVanilli a Socialist. Who knew?

I'm also generically in favor of death panels. :)

I've posted my screes on health care so it's not terribly surprising that I'm in favor of minimum care + broad tax to pay for it.

I'm also a proponent of dying with dignity and find mechanized perpetual physical existence to be a horrific scifi story brought to life.  I struggle understanding why otherwise thoughtful human beings would force themselves and loved ones though such a horror just so they can share one last holiday listening to a ventilator, eating hospital food, but for millions, that's reality.  Then there's the other millions who get to spend that last holiday alone, listening to the whirl of machines, eating hospital food.

 

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3 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

I'm also generically in favor of death panels. :)

I've posted my screes on health care so it's not terribly surprising that I'm in favor of minimum care + broad tax to pay for it.

I'm also a proponent of dying with dignity and find mechanized perpetual physical existence to be a horrific scifi story brought to life.  I struggle understanding why otherwise thoughtful human beings would force themselves and loved ones though such a horror just so they can share one last holiday listening to a ventilator, eating hospital food.

 

Dying at home is more dignified.

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6 hours ago, frenchie said:

Highlighting so you'll notice  -  looks like he conceded that point.

He's right about the psi, I brought it up.  It affects the top-layer wear & tear, if not the understructure damage. 

Who knew WB would be such a master of conceding the point while remaining on his high horse? Actually I was emphasizing just exactly how disproportionate the tax/cost was, and how that makes him a taker.

PSI vs surface load...... yeah but. 50K+ pounds riding on 18 wheels is gonna produce a heck of lot more load no matter how you try to measure it than a 5k pound car on 4 wheels. Changing to big soft balloon tires isn't going to change that, the loads are too different. Now, if you could double the length of the truck and give it 40 wheels, -that- might turn the trick.

Back on topic

 

46 minutes ago, cmilliken said:

I'm also generically in favor of death panels. :)

I've posted my screes on health care so it's not terribly surprising that I'm in favor of minimum care + broad tax to pay for it.

I'm also a proponent of dying with dignity and find mechanized perpetual physical existence to be a horrific scifi story brought to life.  I struggle understanding why otherwise thoughtful human beings would force themselves and loved ones though such a horror just so they can share one last holiday listening to a ventilator, eating hospital food, but for millions, that's reality.  Then there's the other millions who get to spend that last holiday alone, listening to the whirl of machines, eating hospital food.

 

I think the biggest problem is that our structure is built up by people who genuinely believe it's never going to happen to them. Inconceivable!

-DSK

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50 minutes ago, warbird said:

I did not argue the point so much a show that there is a huge difference in taxing vehicles. I did mention dynamic loading and I still don't care. Look at it this way. The Dakota wheat grower gains little or nothing from the coastal safety the Coast Guard offers to May Day calls etc yet pays the same. The guy who owns a corner lot pays twice for street assessments but does not get twice the garbage collection, twice the fire and police protection.Taxation will not always be equal. If you want to argue tax equality, the 1/2 the US that doesn't pay taxes , should? Why do you hate poor people?

What you forgot to mention is that half of that half that don't pay taxes are wealthy people that should pay but they have good accountants.  The other half just don't make enough money to pay.  Why do you hate poor people?

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2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Who knew WB would be such a master of conceding the point while remaining on his high horse? Actually I was emphasizing just exactly how disproportionate the tax/cost was, and how that makes him a taker.

PSI vs surface load...... yeah but. 50K+ pounds riding on 18 wheels is gonna produce a heck of lot more load no matter how you try to measure it than a 5k pound car on 4 wheels. Changing to big soft balloon tires isn't going to change that, the loads are too different. Now, if you could double the length of the truck and give it 40 wheels, -that- might turn the trick.

Back on topic

 

I think the biggest problem is that our structure is built up by people who genuinely believe it's never going to happen to them. Inconceivable!

-DSK

You would think that after all these years, people would accept that they will die.  And not always in the place, time or way that they want to.  

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4 hours ago, soak_ed said:

What you forgot to mention is that half of that half that don't pay taxes are wealthy people that should pay but they have good accountants.  The other half just don't make enough money to pay.  Why do you hate poor people?

So you are up in arms over 1/2 of 1% or less? Go get'em ace.

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14 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

So you are up in arms over 1/2 of 1% or less? Go get'em ace.

What the fuck are you rambling about?  I'll break it down for your benefit as you obviously have some intellectual deficit going on.  almost 50% of Americans pay no income tax.  Of that number 1/2 don't earn enough money to pay taxes.  The other 1/2 earn a lot of money, so much that they can afford to pay people to manipulate their earnings so they have no tax liability.  I know I used some big words, but I think that should be clear. Or not.  I can use crayon if you insist but I don't think that will help with your math skills.  You are not only a bastard, by your own admission but you are a moran as well.  You really are an overachiever aren't you.

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there are something like 170M individual and married couple households (the gov't lovingly calls them tax units)

a quarter of that is 42M

you seriously think there are 42M richies that avoid paying income taxes?

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38 minutes ago, hermetic said:

there are something like 170M individual and married couple households (the gov't lovingly calls them tax units)

a quarter of that is 42M

you seriously think there are 42M richies that avoid paying income taxes?

He read it somewhere on a lefty blog:lol:

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5 minutes ago, warbird said:

He read it somewhere on a lefty blog:lol:

It's easy enough to look up asshole.  

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2 hours ago, soak_ed said:

What the fuck are you rambling about?  I'll break it down for your benefit as you obviously have some intellectual deficit going on.  almost 50% of Americans pay no income tax.  Of that number 1/2 don't earn enough money to pay taxes.  The other 1/2 earn a lot of money, so much that they can afford to pay people to manipulate their earnings so they have no tax liability.  I know I used some big words, but I think that should be clear. Or not.  I can use crayon if you insist but I don't think that will help with your math skills.  You are not only a bastard, by your own admission but you are a moran as well.  You really are an overachiever aren't you.

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II fail to see how that disproves what I said.  Try harder and post something that is actually relevant to the question.

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15 minutes ago, soak_ed said:

II fail to see how that disproves what I said.  Try harder and post something that is actually relevant to the question.

Yes, your first statement is correct.

You have failed provide any evidence that half the half not paying taxes are the 1 percent.

If ALL of the 1 percent were not paying taxes it would still leave the other  49% from the lower brackets.

So here is another one for you.  Note that the top 1% collect slightly less than 20% of all income but pay about 38% of all income tax.

Why not try coming up with something to support your bullshit

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54 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Yes, your first statement is correct.

You have failed provide any evidence that half the half not paying taxes are the 1 percent.

If ALL of the 1 percent were not paying taxes it would still leave the other  49% from the lower brackets.

So here is another one for you.  Note that the top 1% collect slightly less than 20% of all income but pay about 38% of all income tax.

Why not try coming up with something to support your bullshit

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I never said the 1%.  Try reading what I wrote instead of constructing an argument around a fantasy in your head.

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3 minutes ago, soak_ed said:

I never said the 1%.  Try reading what I wrote instead of constructing an argument around a fantasy in your head.

He likes to ignore the fact that the wealthy can hide income and therefore show up as poor on those charts...

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11 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

He likes to ignore the fact that the wealthy can hide income and therefore show up as poor on those charts...

It's typical Righty propaganda. Quote the high number without explaining the breakdown. Makes it sound like all of the takers are poor.

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1 hour ago, soak_ed said:

I never said the 1%.  Try reading what I wrote instead of constructing an argument around a fantasy in your head.

Here is what you said

  The other 1/2 earn a lot of money, so much that they can afford to pay people to manipulate their earnings so they have no tax liability. 

Here is what Hermetic said

there are something like 170M individual and married couple households (the gov't lovingly calls them tax units)

a quarter of that is 42M

you seriously think there are 42M richies that avoid paying income taxes?

Back up your statement or get to remedial math.

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1 hour ago, soak_ed said:

It's typical Righty propaganda. Quote the high number without explaining the breakdown. Makes it sound like all of the takers are poor.

Truckers are takers, why do you hate the poor?

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

Truckers are takers, why do you hate the poor?

Because they are useless gits. You?

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17 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

Because they are useless gits. You?

I retired in,June, I must be a useless git too?

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1 minute ago, warbird said:

I retired in,June, I must be a useless git too?

Probably. I retired 4 1/2 years ago, I have been a totally useless git ever since.

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7 hours ago, warbird said:

He read it somewhere on a lefty blog:lol:

Well, at least he can read.

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1 hour ago, warbird said:

I retired in,June, I must be a useless git too?

You didn't have to retire to accomplish that.

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On ‎1‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 1:27 PM, soak_ed said:

What the fuck are you rambling about?  I'll break it down for your benefit as you obviously have some intellectual deficit going on.  almost 50% of Americans pay no income tax.  Of that number 1/2 don't earn enough money to pay taxes.  The other 1/2 earn a lot of money, so much that they can afford to pay people to manipulate their earnings so they have no tax liability.  I know I used some big words, but I think that should be clear. Or not.  I can use crayon if you insist but I don't think that will help with your math skills.  You are not only a bastard, by your own admission but you are a moran as well.  You really are an overachiever aren't you.

Listen shit for brains, 1/2 of America does not earn a great deal of money. In the New York metro area you can earn 200k and still struggle. Yet asshole like you think we are the 1 %. And those who "earn too little to pay tax" is a fooking shame. People like you see that half of society as losers who need to be compensated. Sorry if I don't buy into that shit. You see losers, I see people that we should help be3come winners so they can actually pay "their fair share". And you, you hide in Poland. What the fuck is that about? Hate America so much you won't even live there. Fuck off dirtbag. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

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3 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

Listen shit for brains, 1/2 of America does not earn a great deal of money. In the New York metro area you can earn 200k and still struggle. Yet asshole like you think we are the 1 %. And those who "earn too little to pay tax" is a fooking shame. People like you see that half of society as losers who need to be compensated. Sorry if I don't buy into that shit. You see losers, I see people that we should help be3come winners so they can actually pay "their fair share". And you, you hide in Poland. What the fuck is that about? Hate America so much you won't even live there. Fuck off dirtbag. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

My heart bleeds for you. If you're struggling on $200,000..move? you know..like you're elk expect anyone else to do?

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3 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

My heart bleeds for you. If you're struggling on $200,000..move? you know..like you're elk expect anyone else to do?

Make $200k? Top 2%

struggle? Maybe you now understand the REAL problem with income tax? It hits income, you know, labor. It leaves capital alone. The stupid income-discriminatory code forces high income earners to bleed to the capital owners can skate by for free. And you’re too stupid to get it.

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8 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

Make $200k? Top 2%

struggle? Maybe you now understand the REAL problem with income tax? It hits income, you know, labor. It leaves capital alone. The stupid income-discriminatory code forces high income earners to bleed to the capital owners can skate by for free. And you’re too stupid to get it.

you talking to me? Sorry, my heart will never bleed for the financial discomfort of someone on that high an income..not when your real median household income is less than a third of that.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

you talking to me? Sorry, my heart will never bleed for the financial discomfort of someone on that high an income..not when your real median household income is less than a third of that.

I was taking to Bastard. He can cry all he wants. He’s the problem, too stupid to realize his betters have him by the short hairs. But you can’t expect much from a Bastard, not knowing his daddy and all..

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On 1/4/2018 at 5:05 PM, cmilliken said:

I'm also generically in favor of death panels. :)

I've posted my screes on health care so it's not terribly surprising that I'm in favor of minimum care + broad tax to pay for it.

I'm also a proponent of dying with dignity and find mechanized perpetual physical existence to be a horrific scifi story brought to life.  I struggle understanding why otherwise thoughtful human beings would force themselves and loved ones though such a horror just so they can share one last holiday listening to a ventilator, eating hospital food, but for millions, that's reality.  Then there's the other millions who get to spend that last holiday alone, listening to the whirl of machines, eating hospital food.

 

DING!

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6 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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And people wonder why elected officials hold the voters in contempt.

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7 hours ago, SloopJonB said:
13 hours ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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And people wonder why elected officials hold the voters in contempt.

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1 hour ago, soak_ed said:

Obviously a Sailing Anarchist!   

He's the original.

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5 hours ago, soak_ed said:

Obviously a Sailing Anarchist!   

Could be from a tugboat.  Note there is punctuation after Brain so the Morans could be a signature.

 

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On 1/7/2018 at 3:36 PM, BillDBastard said:

While I don't fully expect the Melbourne Mum to understand our dollar, some of you seem really clueless as to what money is and its regional variations in worth.

Find yer daddy yet? Just keep looking, just keep looking...

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On 1/5/2018 at 7:55 PM, BillDBastard said:

Listen shit for brains, 1/2 of America does not earn a great deal of money. In the New York metro area you can earn 200k and still struggle. Yet asshole like you think we are the 1 %. And those who "earn too little to pay tax" is a fooking shame. People like you see that half of society as losers who need to be compensated. Sorry if I don't buy into that shit. You see losers, I see people that we should help be3come winners so they can actually pay "their fair share". And you, you hide in Poland. What the fuck is that about? Hate America so much you won't even live there. Fuck off dirtbag. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

 

On 1/7/2018 at 6:36 PM, BillDBastard said:

While I don't fully expect the Melbourne Mum to understand our dollar, some of you seem really clueless as to what money is and its regional variations in worth.

 

Oh, fuck off, you whiny overpriviledged little cunt.  200k doesn't take you as far, here, as some other places  -  but it's still "the good life", by a pretty wide margin. 

Median household income for NYC is $ 50,711

My household (2 adults) lives pretty okay (especially compared to many of our friends), on about 65k. 

You don't know the first fucking thing about "struggling". 

Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

 

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55 minutes ago, frenchie said:

 

 

Oh, fuck off, you whiny overpriviledged little cunt.  200k doesn't take you as far, here, as some other places  -  but it's still "the good life", by a pretty wide margin. 

Median household income for NYC is $ 50,711

My household (2 adults) lives pretty okay (especially compared to many of our friends), on about 65k. 

You don't know the first fucking thing about "struggling". 

Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

 

By "struggle" I think he means buy off the rack suits at Brooks Brothers. Men's Wearhouse is for the poor.

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On 1/8/2018 at 10:36 AM, BillDBastard said:

While I don't fully expect the Melbourne Mum to understand our dollar, some of you seem really clueless as to what money is and its regional variations in worth.

This "Melbourne Mum" has rented canal houses in Amsterdam, Apartments in Central Tokyo, cottages in the Cotswolds and Bedsits in London..Fuck your condensation.

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