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Two legs gone since Turner gone, so who is running this show, other than some names???

From what we have seen at Melbourne be it unexplained variences to the SI's/Rules regarding fixing damaged shit without apparent penalty, appalling on the ground facilities and sponsor support being torched (pro-am cancelled with no notice or explanation) and the list goes on and on.

Who are these mystery guys who have been running this show since Turner and still fail to poke their head above the parapet to explain and or counter the above issues.

Must be because you phantoms haven't finished assembling your new salary package inclusive free cars yet? You have found like all of us, the frustration of building a bookcase watching TV, then some left over bits? Hate that.

Get a wriggle on will you, who ever you turkeys are, poke your head up and say something. If you don't fans of this sport and this event will come after you big time..and it won't be pretty.

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Was at VOR headquarters in Alicante a few days ago. Two or three young guys running around but otherwise dead quiet. No one in race control. It was over the holiday week and with no racing going on I didn't expect much else. There was no sign under the door saying "under the new management of XXX" unfortunately.

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Does it matter? real men don't "need" the Ikea instructions.

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I hope they dump the plan to race foiling multis for the inshore races. If the VOR returns to Melbourne I'll be on the water if they race the Volvos, probably not for the multis. Defeats the purpose of watching the VOR inshore races. 

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7 hours ago, hoppy said:

I hope they dump the plan to race foiling multis for the inshore races. If the VOR returns to Melbourne I'll be on the water if they race the Volvos, probably not for the multis. Defeats the purpose of watching the VOR inshore races. 

I think the foiling cat was DOA.

 

Before he was formally appointed VOR CEO, Turner was pretty upfront about his desire to turn VOR into something resembling a sport league - something like Russell Coutts envisioned for AC. 

Imagine the complicated rules they'd have had to invent so teams would spend the time on a boat class that doesn't transfer skills to their off shore boat. 

Turner called it right tools for the job. Missed the point that ppl show up to watch VOR because they wanted THAT boat with THAT group of offshore sailors showing they can handle THAT boat in shore. 

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IMO the same boat should be used for the inshore and offshore racing.

However if VOR wants to beef up the stopover entertainment perhaps they could combine with the Extreme Sailing Series or other class to provide more spectacle.

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Continuing on from another thread.

So, I asked the question - has anyone taken up residence MT's old office? 

Yes or no to that would tell a great deal.

I wonder what direction Volvo might have given to the new team. You don't just appoint a new CEO, you expect them to have some vision, and to align that with your own directions. 

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Alicante - A little like a racing boat without a crew boss, or tactician, or skipper.. Not the people but one or more of the functions.

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On 02/01/2018 at 10:33 PM, rogerfal said:

IMO the same boat should be used for the inshore and offshore racing.

However if VOR wants to beef up the stopover entertainment perhaps they could combine with the Extreme Sailing Series or other class to provide more spectacle.

when I followed the race 2005-06, they had extreme 40s doing the inshore races in the states. I missed the inshore in the UK so I don't know if they had them there, but it was pretty cool to see the 40s race. the volvo's themselves were busy with corporate sails....

here in AD both times the race stopped, it was the volvo's doing the inshore racing and that was much better :D

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2 minutes ago, Potter said:

The X40s used in 2005-6 were not related to the teams, and did not count for points in the VOR.

nah, but they were entertainment. 

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The X40s were interesting, and no doubt, they were the progenitor of a lot of interesting stuff to come. But ocean racing they were not. 

The whole thing left me a bit bemused - and I'm a cat sailor. 

But I signed up as a VOR fan boy, so I want to see big evil ocean going boats doing their stuff, not to see stadium racing. Nothing has changed here as far as I am concerned.

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yeah, but in 05-06 it was the 40s or nothing because of the corporate commitment.

I preferred to watch the volvos do inport racing here in AD like I said, but if it's something or nothing to watch; I'll take something.

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Yep the race has to be about racing the same boats inshore and offshore. Better that the inshore only comes into play as a tie breaker too as we currently have.

First and foremost it's an offshore race.

If they want to put a side show on using foiling cats (or whatever) so be it but not to the detriment of the main event. In which case no compulsion for the VOR teams to participate in the side show.

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And think of the silly rules they have to create so teams don't ignore the inshore event because sailing on the cats won't help their boat handling on the Volvo boats. 

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The whole thing could be better coordinated with other events.

Eg: Volvo Ocean Race Auckland Stopover will be in town at the same time as the 36th America's Cup is being run (Feb/Mar 2020).

Extending the Melbourne stopover a few weeks would have taken in their Festival of Sails and/or Sydney to Hobart (why did they stop doing that?)

In a perfect world where I had control over everything, every three years the Volvo would sail from one international sailing event to another and have two-week-long or month-long stopovers during those events. If the organisers could coordinate with the AC organisers, even better.

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7 hours ago, webdeveloper said:

The whole thing could be better coordinated with other events.

Eg: Volvo Ocean Race Auckland Stopover will be in town at the same time as the 36th America's Cup is being run (Feb/Mar 2020).

Extending the Melbourne stopover a few weeks would have taken in their Festival of Sails and/or Sydney to Hobart (why did they stop doing that?)

In a perfect world where I had control over everything, every three years the Volvo would sail from one international sailing event to another and have two-week-long or month-long stopovers during those events. If the organisers could coordinate with the AC organisers, even better.

Imagine the costs of that. Tough enough getting sponsors at the moment

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Many complaints have been logged regarding 6 hour position updates. As a follower, would you be willing to buy a subscription for more frequent updates? What would pay for 24/7 "live" position reports?

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19 hours ago, webdeveloper said:

In a perfect world where I had control over everything, every three years the Volvo would sail from one international sailing event to another and have two-week-long or month-long stopovers during those events. If the organisers could coordinate with the AC organisers, even better.

Grant Dalton was muttering about coordination between the VOR and AC, but his idea would be the exact opposite. The two can have heavy commonality in personnel, not just sailors, but in the support teams, and the idea of coordination would be to ensure that the races were kept as far apart as possible. Long term, GD's hope is clearly that there would become essentially national sailing teams that competed in a range of events, starting with the AC and VOR, but probably with some involvement in the nation's olympic efforts as well. IF NZ can do it, getting other nations on a similar footing would make for a pretty amazing long term competition.

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11 minutes ago, Francis Vaughan said:

Grant Dalton was muttering about coordination between the VOR and AC, but his idea would be the exact opposite. The two can have heavy commonality in personnel, not just sailors, but in the support teams, and the idea of coordination would be to ensure that the races were kept as far apart as possible. Long term, GD's hope is clearly that there would become essentially national sailing teams that competed in a range of events, starting with the AC and VOR, but probably with some involvement in the nation's olympic efforts as well. IF NZ can do it, getting other nations on a similar footing would make for a pretty amazing long term competition.

It is an interesting approach to the shared problem... How to keep good ppl that make an institution employed with you. 

Turner's belief was if you throw money at the event by increasing it's frequency and more boats, you attract long term sponsors like a football league. 

Dalton's belief comes from the other direction. He's dealt with more money issues for longer from a small market and wants to distribute cost by sharing event organization and logistics costs. 

 

The problem with both? Like Russell Coutts, no one owns the AC, so you can't rely on commitments beyond the current cycle. As for VOR, barrier to entry is as low as ever, but who has the confidence to look into the crystal ball and say MAPFRE or DF will be back?

I wouldn't put money on Akzo. And the remaining teams are the discount entrants. 

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On 1/7/2018 at 11:38 AM, Varan said:

Many complaints have been logged regarding 6 hour position updates. As a follower, would you be willing to buy a subscription for more frequent updates? What would pay for 24/7 "live" position reports?

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One imagines Mark Turner does not regret his decision to leave, but VOR has something of a crisis on its hands.  Is anyone in particular in charge?

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2 hours ago, staysail said:

One imagines Mark Turner does not regret his decision to leave, but VOR has something of a crisis on its hands.  Is anyone in particular in charge?

Not sure he left as much as was shown the door...

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Good time to revive this thread, though it’s a shitty set of circumstances. 

This is going to be baptism of fire for them now, I wonder if they’ll just hire in a PR crisis management team to deal with this?

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7 hours ago, Liquid said:

Not sure he left as much as was shown the door...

Very much left of his own accord, but due to being unable to get his vision passed in the timeliness he wanted.

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