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This guy is interesting, he freely admits he doesn't know much about boats.  Mostly he makes it up as he goes along.  I have no idea if plans exist anywhere but in his head.  He is persistent and patient though!  He is calling it the SV Rusty Junk, although I thing SV Bumpy Lump would work too.

I'm pretty sure his guiding principle is "Don't force it, get a bigger hammer."

SV Rusty Junk

 

 

 

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Watched these... 

 

I think it is great...  Will it work?  Who knows.

 

At least he seems to know exactly what it is/isn't.

Has not studied 10,000 designs.  Designs studied = 0

Have at it, have fun, and best of luck!

 

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I was seriously wondering if we’d been trolled by a Brent fan for a minute. 

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Well at least he’s doing it, but man, he could have made his life easier. 

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Well, he'll end up with a boat shaped object anyway.

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22 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Well, he'll end up with a boat shaped object anyway.

Ted Turner has a quote for that 

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I wonder how he planned it all? 

 I’m working my way through the videos, 10/10 for persistence so far. 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

I wonder how he planned it all? 

 I’m working my way through the videos, 10/10 for persistence so far. 

Leaving the entire stern off until he gets the interior in is a stroke of genius!

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That boat-ish shaped thing is a total disaster. I've watched his videos and I cringe at what he's doing.

I didn't think it possible but he makes Brent Swain's 'design' skills and building quality standards look good.

I've actually built a steel boat so I have some clues about framing, welding, weld induced distortion etc etc. And I was bright enough to not even attempt to 'design' my own boat.

FKT

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7 hours ago, RKoch said:

Yikes! I feel sorry for the guy. 

Why?

He seems like a "figure it out" sort, and seems to have overcome a number of obstacles.  Yes yes... haven't we all...

I applaud the fact that he is using what he has and making do.   Basically 6 tools are all he needs.  Welder,  come-alongs, floor jack ,grinder, engine hoist and a paintbrush. 

Will be do his cruise?  I bet he will.

Getting that boat to the water will be interesting.

So much more mentally sorted out than Hotrod.  (that is not setting the bar high, I realize.)

I'm hoping he puts in his racecar engine into the boat.

Squashing dreams does not a good SA thread make.

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2 hours ago, Windward said:

Why?

He seems like a "figure it out" sort, and seems to have overcome a number of obstacles.  Yes yes... haven't we all...

I applaud the fact that he is using what he has and making do.   Basically 6 tools are all he needs.  Welder,  come-alongs, floor jack ,grinder, engine hoist and a paintbrush. 

Will be do his cruise?  I bet he will.

Getting that boat to the water will be interesting.

So much more mentally sorted out than Hotrod.  (that is not setting the bar high, I realize.)

I'm hoping he puts in his racecar engine into the boat.

Squashing dreams does not a good SA thread make.

I've deliberately not added any comments to his youtube videos so as not to come across negative to him.

Nonetheless it's an abortion in the making. He's putting a lot of time & effort into something that will look terrible and likely sail even worse. Really he should have read a few books before he started. Better yet bought a set of plans.

Look at those transverse frames he cut out so painfully with an angle grinder. They're woefully inadequate and then he fully welded them both sides to the hull plate, getting a ton of distortion.

It'll be interesting to watch along as he single-handedly reinvents the wheel.

FKT

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11 hours ago, Windward said:

Why?

He seems like a "figure it out" sort, and seems to have overcome a number of obstacles.  Yes yes... haven't we all...

I applaud the fact that he is using what he has and making do.   Basically 6 tools are all he needs.  Welder,  come-alongs, floor jack ,grinder, engine hoist and a paintbrush. 

Will be do his cruise?  I bet he will.

Getting that boat to the water will be interesting.

So much more mentally sorted out than Hotrod.  (that is not setting the bar high, I realize.)

I'm hoping he puts in his racecar engine into the boat.

Squashing dreams does not a good SA thread make.

Because I agree with FKT. It's an utter abortion. Seems like a nice guy, and I do admire his "gitterdone" spirit, but he doesn't have the foggiest clue as to what he's doing. Big case of Dunning-Krueger. The boat is going to sail like crap, it's woefully (even dangerously) under-engineered, and it looks like absolute shit. After all his effort and expense, he's going to end up with an unsailable  and unsellable pile of scrap metal. It's barely one step removed from HotRod's Flyin' Hawaiian. Hopefully no one dies.

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It's beyond terrible, but his crazyness doesn't seem to be directed outward, it's focused on that boat-like steel sculpture in his driveway. Perfect. Actually, he doesn't seem crazy, more like a farmer who decides to build his own airplane from ideas he's had but never written down. Yeah. . . maybe a little crazy.

If he finds crew, I would recommend a tetanus shot. Same suggestion for his YouTube viewers, but I'm not a doctor.

As far as his "boat", what the hell is wrong with frames and panel construction, especially for a backyard build? This guy shares BS's steel-monocoque backyard wet dream, and it's gross. It's also lesson that if you want to sculpt a boat instead of designing one, you better be a good artist. Maybe make a model out of a coffee can first. I've seen homeless guys create far more sophisticated contraptions to haul their recycling finds.

When Frank Gehry wanted to get creative building a boat, he bought a generic Frers hull and perforated it with some interesting deck lights and chose a few attractive throw pillows for the salon. This guy is really going for it, and I wish him well.

 

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12 hours ago, Windward said:

Why?

He seems like a "figure it out" sort, and seems to have overcome a number of obstacles.  Yes yes... haven't we all...

I applaud the fact that he is using what he has and making do.   Basically 6 tools are all he needs.  Welder,  come-alongs, floor jack ,grinder, engine hoist and a paintbrush. 

Will be do his cruise?  I bet he will.

Getting that boat to the water will be interesting.

So much more mentally sorted out than Hotrod.  (that is not setting the bar high, I realize.)

I'm hoping he puts in his racecar engine into the boat.

Squashing dreams does not a good SA thread make.

Correction, 7 items.  You forgot the hammer. A BIG hammer. His motto is; "If it doesn't fit, beat the shit out it."  Another guiding principle appears to be; "It doesn't have to be pretty, it just has to float."

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20 minutes ago, Bob Perry said:

I'll wait for the launch and sea trials video.

The launch is a given I believe. Sea trials?  Let's wait and see what happens after the launch.

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39 minutes ago, lasal said:

It's beyond terrible, but his crazyness doesn't seem to be directed outward, it's focused on that boat-like steel sculpture in his driveway. Perfect. Actually, he doesn't seem crazy, more like a farmer who decides to build his own airplane from ideas he's had but never written down. Yeah. . . maybe a little crazy.

If he finds crew, I would recommend a tetanus shot and a cyanide pill. Same suggestion for his YouTube viewers, but I'm not a doctor.

As far as his "boat", what the hell is wrong with frames and panel construction, especially for a backyard build? This guy shares BS's steel-monocoque backyard wet dream, and it's gross. It's also lesson that if you want to sculpt a boat instead of designing one, you better be a good artist. Maybe make a model out of a coffee can first. I've seen homeless guys create far more sophisticated contraptions to haul their recycling finds.

When Frank Gehry wanted to get creative building a boat, he bought a generic Frers hull and perforated it with some interesting deck lights and chose a few attractive throw pillows for the salon. This guy is really going for it, and I wish him well.

 

The problem is he's working from no plans whatsoever. There's no weight calculations, no stability calculations, no structural calculations. The frames are cut from the same thin steel as the hull plating. Only 1" in depth. As soon as the boat heels, the keel (woefully under-engineered itself) is going to twist the bottom of the hull, if it even manages to stay on. Haven't yet seen the chain plates or structure supporting rig yet, but a safe assumption they'll also be woefully  under-engineered. The hull isn't a developed surface that the steel plating will easily bend around. Thus the big hammer and all the lumps and dents. Pretty likely the boat is grossly as symmetrical, too. He doesn't know how to build a non-developed surface in steel. In short, he's not building a functional boat, he's building a big ugly piece of lawn art. If he somehow manages to launch it, hope he's carrying no innocent passengers....it's a death trap.

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13 minutes ago, RKoch said:

The problem is he's working from no plans whatsoever. There's no weight calculations, no stability calculations, no structural calculations. The frames are cut from the same thin steel as the hull plating. Only 1" in depth. As soon as the boat heels, the keel (woefully under-engineered itself) is going to twist the bottom of the hull, if it even manages to stay on. Haven't yet seen the chain plates or structure supporting rig yet, but a safe assumption they'll also be woefully  under-engineered. The hull isn't a developed surface that the steel plating will easily bend around. Thus the big hammer and all the lumps and dents. Pretty likely the boat is grossly as symmetrical, too. He doesn't know how to build a non-developed surface in steel. In short, he's not building a functional boat, he's building a big ugly piece of lawn art. If he somehow manages to launch it, hope he's carrying no innocent passengers....it's a death trap.

That's what I said. Jaw dropping terrible. Scantlings based on a 4chan thread about building a septic tank for recycling urine. And it's not a 15' boat sculpture you shake your head at. You need to step back and contemplate the bad-all-over of this massive thing. And if he does manage to weld enough angle on so it doesn't sink immediately, he will have issues just getting permission to enter a harbor. The guys at the fuel dock might say, "Yeah, nope. Get your parade float out of here."

I didn't see a cockpit of any sort, just some below the knee life lines. I'm betting this boat sculpture will have total inside-the-pilot-house steering and sail handling, no kidding. He's building a Starship as much as he's building a boat. You could make other bets on the rest of it. Free standing mast? An A-frame mast? Crow's nest? How about shaft angle? An outdrive and engine scavenged from an old runabout he found on the side of the road? It'll be interesting long before the oil canning sea trials.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, lasal said:

That's what I said. Jaw dropping terrible. Scantlings based on a 4chan thread about building a septic tank for recycling urine. And it's not a 15' boat sculpture you shake your head at. You need to step back and contemplate the bad-all-over of this massive thing. And if he does manage to weld enough angle on so it doesn't sink immediately, he will have issues just getting permission to enter a harbor. The guys at the fuel dock might say, "Yeah, nope. Get your parade float out of here."

I didn't see a cockpit of any sort, just some below the knee life lines. I'm betting this boat sculpture will have total inside-the-pilot-house steering and sail handling, no kidding. He's building a Starship as much as he's building a boat. You could make other bets on the rest of it. Free standing mast? An A-frame mast? Crow's nest? How about shaft angle? An outdrive and engine scavenged from an old runabout he found on the side of the road? It'll be interesting long before the oil canning sea trials.

 

 

It's completely uninsurable. Most marinas won't take him. He's going to have difficulty even finding a yard willing to launch that contraption. 

In  comments on one of the videos, he says he's going to put a junk rig on it. I think that means steering and all sail control will be inside pilot house. 

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I believe he said he would start with 1,500 pounds of ballast.  He said if he needs more he will bolt more on to the bottom of the keel.  I believe the keel is only welded to the hull.  The keel is filled with scrap metal and concrete, I don't think much, if any of it was lead.

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C'mon all you Nattering Nabobs of Negativism - he's chasing his dream like Hot Rod and Rimas. He's doing it.

Everyone should cheer him on like Windward said. :rolleyes:

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15 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

C'mon all you Nattering Nabobs of Negativism - he's chasing his dream like Hot Rod and Rimas. He's doing it.

Everyone should cheer him on like Windward said. :rolleyes:

He's doing his duty out on the driveway. It's disgusting but it's his driveway. I'm certainly not saying he shouldn't have fun if he's minding his own business. And, while it's hard to imagine it won't be a failed project, it doesn't sound like he's recommending people follow his technique. Weld away, sir.

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I applaud the guy for giving it his best shot.

But he's a lousy shot.

Still, the shapes are interesting. He may not have plans but I can see he has a vision.

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13 minutes ago, Bob Perry said:

I applaud the guy for giving it his best shot.

But he's a lousy shot.

Still, the shapes are interesting. He may not have plans but I can see he has a vision.

Yeah. I feel really sorry for him actually. All that time & effort into something fundamentally unfit for its intended purpose. I can't wait to see how he kludges through fitting the internal systems.

Oh well I'm up to sewing the cushion covers for mine. I'm a shit seamster but at least I'm bright enough to not post my efforts on youtube and I'm having fun playing with my new Sailrite machine. Not to mention that cushion covers can be re-done whereas it's a bit more tricky to change out a hull.

FKT

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From his video dated Dec 31, 2017:

"So far I've spent about 800 hours.  If I spent twice that amount of time, I could make a really beautiful boat"

"I hope to cruise for about 5 years.  See the world".

 

 

 

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Nov 11 video "Part 4"

"It's the middle of day 20 and I'm starting on the roof because tomorrow, late in the day, it's going to start to rain."

later, "And this is the reason I'm building my own boat, so that I can fit inside of it."

 

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1 hour ago, Panope said:

From his video dated Dec 31, 2017:

"So far I've spent about 800 hours.  If I spent twice that amount of time, I could make a really beautiful boat"

"I hope to cruise for about 5 years.  See the world".

Yeah good luck with that idea. I wouldn't want to cross Storm Bay in that let alone the Indian Ocean.

Going to be interesting to see how he attaches the keel to the hull given the plate thickness and the frames. I admire his 'get er done' spirit, just wish he'd got a clue or 2 before he started. Or bought a set of plans. Here is one I remember from years ago - I think I've a PDF of the building details somewhere. IIRC the builder finished the shell and stopped updating his site so no idea what happened after that.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/designs/muller/yago/index.htm

Yes it's another origami design but simple for people without a clue to produce a modest hull relatively quickly & simply.

FKT

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I hate to see the waste of human ambition and effort on crap like this.

It takes just as much time, effort and money to make a useless POS as does a proper boat so why not do it right?

I'm certain that a ferro hull took as much or more work as a strip planked hull BITD and as someone described the building of a ferro armature "hundreds of hours of soul destroying work".

This steel junk and others like it, like BS boats, are the contemporary equivalent of ferro.

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4 hours ago, soak_ed said:

I believe he said he would start with 1,500 pounds of ballast.  He said if he needs more he will bolt more on to the bottom of the keel.  I believe the keel is only welded to the hull.  The keel is filled with scrap metal and concrete, I don't think much, if any of it was lead.

As I understood the video , the top plate of the keel hung over the sides to create a small flange. He drilled a few dozen holes in it to bolt to hull with many small bolts. IDK if he intends to just bolt through the thin hull plating. Looks pretty sketchy even before bolting additional weight to bottom of keel.... The flimsy frames aren't going to carry the load of a keel trying to twist itself off.  And with the narrow beam, high freeboard, and high CG, he's going to need all the weight down low he can muster.

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3 hours ago, RKoch said:

As I understood the video , the top plate of the keel hung over the sides to create a small flange. He drilled a few dozen holes in it to bolt to hull with many small bolts. IDK if he intends to just bolt through the thin hull plating. Looks pretty sketchy even before bolting additional weight to bottom of keel.... The flimsy frames aren't going to carry the load of a keel trying to twist itself off.  And with the narrow beam, high freeboard, and high CG, he's going to need all the weight down low he can muster.

It's not going to matter after the first hundred few feet in the water.

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The name is cool, "Rusty Junk." The guy looking for a double entendre boat name on another thread should use that, or something close like Rusty's Junk.

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13 hours ago, Windward said:

So on the completely other side of the spectrum of a home build I tender to you:

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY96LsebsXYoicxJjfVOLLA

 

Sooo much work.  Impressive.  

Thank you Windward, I watched the series. This is the most pro hobby project in the history of YouTube. What a tour de force of retired master craftsman talent.  I don't know why more people don't get that starting from a proper CAD model and getting everything cut out first is just way way easier and faster to build, gives better results and the CAD phase allows you to think about details for a long time before committing to spending money so you have better odds that you have figured out exactly what you really want from the project before you spend real money. I work this way with my small furniture projects, sending drawer boxes out for laser cutting etc, but this is the first time I've seen a home boat building project at scale done this way.  Brilliant, and pretty cool he's basically built a European waterway boat which will be able to travel inland from Bremen to the Black Sea.

More deeply the fact this guy can borrow/hire his super skilled local friends to help and they bring that much skill is pretty moving. Not to mention the neighbor coming along and saying how great the project is and not complaining to the authorities. It suggests a somewhat healthier society and community than these solo dreamers displaying varying degrees of Dunning Kruger syndrome who's marriages half the time go south partway through their quixotic quest.   

 

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7 hours ago, Foiling Optimist said:

 

More deeply the fact this guy can borrow/hire his super skilled local friends to help and they bring that much skill is pretty moving. Not to mention the neighbor coming along and saying how great the project is and not complaining to the authorities. It suggests a somewhat healthier society and community than these solo dreamers displaying varying degrees of Dunning Kruger syndrome who's marriages half the time go south partway through their quixotic quest.   

 

The whole thing is very German.  From the highly skilled, read highly trained, machinists, wood workers and electricians, to the ultra-clean workshop to the community around them.  The trade workers there are always craftsman and are often artists.

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On 1/3/2018 at 11:15 AM, RKoch said:

The problem is he's working from no plans whatsoever. There's no weight calculations, no stability calculations, no structural calculations. The frames are cut from the same thin steel as the hull plating. Only 1" in depth. As soon as the boat heels, the keel (woefully under-engineered itself) is going to twist the bottom of the hull, if it even manages to stay on. Haven't yet seen the chain plates or structure supporting rig yet, but a safe assumption they'll also be woefully  under-engineered. The hull isn't a developed surface that the steel plating will easily bend around. Thus the big hammer and all the lumps and dents. Pretty likely the boat is grossly as symmetrical, too. He doesn't know how to build a non-developed surface in steel. In short, he's not building a functional boat, he's building a big ugly piece of lawn art. If he somehow manages to launch it, hope he's carrying no innocent passengers....it's a death trap.

Relax, everyone. It'll be fine. All he's gotta do is make it from the ramp to the mud flat, its final resting place.

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17 hours ago, Foiling Optimist said:

Thank you Windward, I watched the series. This is the most pro hobby project in the history of YouTube. What a tour de force of retired master craftsman talent.  I don't know why more people don't get that starting from a proper CAD model and getting everything cut out first is just way way easier and faster to build,

This bit depends a lot on where you live. In my case I don't think I'd have gained much if anything by getting all the plate cut by someone else. The hull didn't take all that long to do anyway and a plasma cutter makes clean cuts following a template. I freighted all my steel into Tasmania because the local steel merchants wanted far more than the price in one of the big mainland cities.

As for his woodwork, it's a standard above what I aimed for but I did everything myself not had other people do bits so had to go with what I could do. We did cut nearly all the timber on my place and I air dried it for years before I started on the interior. Now I'm almost finished sewing the berth cushion covers and working on the standing rigging. Launch day is getting closer but there'll be no YouTube videos at all - not my thing.

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Fah Kiew Tu at least you have to post some photos! Can you talk about how long you took for planning vs. building. Did you make up all your templates from plans in advance? It's cool to do the woodwork yourself.

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I was editing my previous post but had to retreat suddenly to the bar with work colleagues. I suspect in reading your posts above, Mr. Tu, you share to some degree my visceral distaste for these ill conceived low-skill boat projects. (not that we can't stop watching them as one observes the proverbial car wreck.) For me it's particularly depressing to consider what the lack of consultation  with experts, such as buying actual plans, says about this person's understanding of the value of living in a functioning society. How could you be a middle class employed person in an advanced country and not get that there might be something more to boats than it looking roughly the shape of a boat on land? How could you function with this bad a case of Dunning Kruger syndrome? This Rusty Junk fellow is particularly terrifying as he doesn't come across as being otherwise that eccentric.

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3 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

This bit depends a lot on where you live. In my case I don't think I'd have gained much if anything by getting all the plate cut by someone else. The hull didn't take all that long to do anyway and a plasma cutter makes clean cuts following a template. I freighted all my steel into Tasmania because the local steel merchants wanted far more than the price in one of the big mainland cities.

As for his woodwork, it's a standard above what I aimed for but I did everything myself not had other people do bits so had to go with what I could do. We did cut nearly all the timber on my place and I air dried it for years before I started on the interior. Now I'm almost finished sewing the berth cushion covers and working on the standing rigging. Launch day is getting closer but there'll be no YouTube videos at all - not my thing.

FKT

 

Would love to see her.

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20 hours ago, monsoon said:

The whole thing is very German.  From the highly skilled, read highly trained, machinists, wood workers and electricians, to the ultra-clean workshop to the community around them.  The trade workers there are always craftsman and are often artists.

Gustav was absolutely wonderful. To be so competent (and well funded) and to have such obvious glee in the whole project. The first fellah (the “boat” that looks like a boxing glove) is I’m afraid not all there.  

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I love to walk around a boat yard and look at all the projects. You have to admire the determination of these guys. I celebrate the existence of such men.

At least the steel ones can be recycled into cars, and the concrete one become roads.

The ones that make me sad are where they buy a viable plastic boat, tear the guts out of it, put most of the bits in the dumptser - then realise what they have got into and put it on ebay bragging about all the ground work they have done.

D

 

here is a nice picture of a nice boat in scotland

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Ok, I’m bored this morning for once, so I watched the last video and was going to work my way back and realized most of you are too lazy to watch but want the content so here we go!

1.Welded some 250lb sheets together to form the bow

2. Kept welding for 800 hours to “complete” the hull. (The back goes on last ;) ) Look at that thing on the bottom; it’s important.

3. Painted the “front” part and stood inside. By the way, he’s 6’3”. Isn’t that how tall Brent reported himself?

4.Formed a keel and will add ballast as needed to attain proper weight after launch if necessary.

5.Once the project is complete, the keel will ride beside the hull on this trailer so it can be transported legally to the ocean. 8,000lb Boat,  8,000lb winch!

 

 

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6.The tow vehicle. Has a 383 with 40,000 miles on it. Don’t know how many kilometers...he rebuilt it himself. He was a race car driver after all.

7. He’s going to faux finish it so it looks like a wood boat! I like wood boats, just not rusty ones. Here’s the idea though...and don’t worry about the thousand dollar vintage longboard he’s using for the oil based “finish”. Either that or it’s water based and he’s using paint thinner for rag huffing when the camera isn’t rolling.

Can’t upload any more shots for some reason. So I’ll be back later with more

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On 2018-01-04 at 7:57 AM, Windward said:

So on the completely other side of the spectrum of a home build I tender to you:

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY96LsebsXYoicxJjfVOLLA

 

Sooo much work.  Impressive.  

A different material entirely --wood-- but I was tremendously impressed when I saw the  Parsey's former "Taleisin", especially close up inside, where Larry showed me a few details.  How in the world does anyone have the time to do such fine building work, I've always thought, from keel laying to finish, and then making it ocean-ready!  (The  bar is high indeed.)

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And last but not least, him hitting the road in his racecar to get more grinder disks.

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6 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

A different material entirely --wood-- but I was tremendously impressed when I saw the  Parsey's former "Taleisin", especially close up inside, where Larry showed me a few details.  How in the world does anyone have the time to do such fine building work, I've always thought, from keel laying to finish, and then making it ocean-ready!  (The  bar is high indeed.)

Yes, the bar is high, but plenty of folks are happy to do the limbo under it.

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7 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

A different material entirely --wood-- but I was tremendously impressed when I saw the  Parsey's former "Taleisin", especially close up inside, where Larry showed me a few details.  How in the world does anyone have the time to do such fine building work, I've always thought, from keel laying to finish, and then making it ocean-ready!  (The  bar is high indeed.)

Couple friends of mine built a custom Ed Burnett carvel planked double ender. Really great work on a gorgeously shaped hull. Not my cup of tea at all, I like metal boats myself, but I appreciate fine work regardless of the medium.

I'm afraid that I have no respect for this man though. There are a lot of books out there, there are a lot of proven free designs, licenses and supported designs are dirt cheap compared to the actual building cost. If you want to build a boat, it's the height of arrogance and (misplaced) certainty in your own abilities to just start hacking materials together as you go and then using a bigger hammer to make the edges fit without even attempting to do ANY research before you start.

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I’m with you FKT and, much as I have little empathy with steel boats, I admire people like you and Gustav and Steve of Panope who do it right. I can sort of understand the psyche of it. 

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This guy is "building" that boat the way an 8 year old builds a tree house.

I wouldn't let him build a fence.

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22 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

This guy is "building" that boat the way an 8 year old builds a tree house.

I wouldn't let him build a fence.

I'd love to see a fence he designed and built.

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1. Cool thread.

2. I really wanted to like that hull, he's trying something different.

3. It's possible that I'm completely missing his design approach here, and I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to be a disaster in the making based on what I saw in video. He seems to assume that the come-alongs will prevent the hull from spreading and the thwarts will prevent the hull from collapsing. But those thwarts seem pretty anemic, and they don't offer any support against the hydraulic pressure below them.

A good steel hull should look like the outside of a steel swimming pool, the pressures are similar, the cross members distribute the forces as monocoque. That poor hull looks like each steel panel is going to have to fend for itself, with most of the the compressive force going to the welds. It seems the steel version of the Flyin' Hawaiian.

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

1. Cool thread.

2. I really wanted to like that hull, he's trying something different.

3. It's possible that I'm completely missing his design approach here, and I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to be a disaster in the making based on what I saw in video. He seems to assume that the come-alongs will prevent the hull from spreading and the thwarts will prevent the hull from collapsing. But those thwarts seem pretty anemic, and they don't offer any support against the hydraulic pressure below them.

A good steel hull should look like the outside of a steel swimming pool, the pressures are similar, the cross members distribute the forces as monocoque. That poor hull looks like each steel panel is going to have to fend for itself, with most of the the compressive force going to the welds. It seems the steel version of the Flyin' Hawaiian.

I'm sure it will sink much faster.

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25 minutes ago, Sail4beer said:

But hopefully video will emerge as well as the skipper 

It will be close enough to shore that it will make the Flipper look like a success.

 

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

I'd love to see a fence he designed and built.

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That looks remarkably like my fence. I didn't build it, it came with the house. I just keep patching it and propping it up.

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2 hours ago, mikewof said:

1. Cool thread.

2. I really wanted to like that hull, he's trying something different.

3. It's possible that I'm completely missing his design approach here, and I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to be a disaster in the making based on what I saw in video. He seems to assume that the come-alongs will prevent the hull from spreading and the thwarts will prevent the hull from collapsing. But those thwarts seem pretty anemic, and they don't offer any support against the hydraulic pressure below them.

A good steel hull should look like the outside of a steel swimming pool, the pressures are similar, the cross members distribute the forces as monocoque. That poor hull looks like each steel panel is going to have to fend for itself, with most of the the compressive force going to the welds. It seems the steel version of the Flyin' Hawaiian.

It IS the steel version of the Flyin' Hawaiian. Except HotRod at least made some drawings (presumably), and it did float somewhat on its lines. This boat, I doubt that's the case.

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33 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

It will be close enough to shore that it will make the Flipper look like a success.

 

Keep in mind that he said “beautiful” at :14 and I stopped my empathy therapy session.  

“You be the judge and bid accordingly”

Nice poochie, though. Good therapy right there!

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Will his lightly framed hull sitting on blocks survive his plan of testing for leaks by adding 15000 -20000 pounds of water?   Displacement done in my head, so just a rough guess if he filled it to 15 or 18 inches,   I couldn’t tell how high he pointed in his summary info video.

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Yes, filling it with water will certainly be a test.

Depending on how high up he fills it, could be the end of this video series.  I hope not.

Hotrod floated for a year in Richardson Bay IIR before his ill fated nose out into the Pacific.

Tin Can got most of the way down the coast of CA before a chafe on the mainsheet doomed his mission.

1000 day certainly was a lark.  Good times that was.  (and introduced us to MikeWof!)

How many others?  Loads I bet.

I'm enjoying following the Arabella guys as well as Leo in the wood boat department.  Good times.

 

Bring 'em on I say.

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Absolutely.   I’d stumbled across a couple SA postings on small boats of interest, but nothing really caught me until the mad Russian drifted for weeks on his San Juan 24.  I’ve been hanging out sense.    I read Hotrod after the fact.  I have no concerns about manifestly unsafe voyages by dreamers, just the possible rescue.   I chose to work, they chose to try.   We each waste our lives as we see fit.   My novice eye saw the same concerns RKoch confirmed, but who cares.    He could be spending his time here, or trapped in front of the TV.   Let him try.   

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32 minutes ago, Lark said:

Absolutely.   I’d stumbled across a couple SA postings on small boats of interest, but nothing really caught me until the mad Russian drifted for weeks on his San Juan 24.  I’ve been hanging out sense.    I read Hotrod after the fact.  I have no concerns about manifestly unsafe voyages by dreamers, just the possible rescue.   I chose to work, they chose to try.   We each waste our lives as we see fit.   My novice eye saw the same concerns RKoch confirmed, but who cares.    He could be spending his time here, or trapped in front of the TV.   Let him try.   

What a balanced and likeable attitude. I'm afraid I find these accounts rather disturbing, maybe on account of the overtones of mental illness that they often carry: "there (but for the grace of a gene or two), go I".

But I suppose that self-medicating with eccentric boats is more wholesome than doing it with drink and drugs. My own trade has some eccentric and obsessive characters in it, and I always have to remind myself of what they'd be like without the release of their obsession.

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21 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

good phrase there ed

 

"self medicating with boats" - watch out for the phrase being plundered in a forthcoming KTL movie

 

You're welcome! Colon, bracket.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Mr. Ed said:

self-medicating with boats

Isn't that what we're all doing? :D

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8 minutes ago, soak_ed said:

Messing about in boats covers a broad spectrum.

Yes, but these Captain Calamities are for the most part, off the spectrum. In invisible light, some of them.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Ed said:

Yes, but these Captain Calamities are for the most part, off the spectrum. In invisible light, some of them.

I think it's a pretty big spectrum, there is room for everyone, even the outright crazy ones.  In the case of this guy, I think he is doing it to so see what happens, if it fails (which is almost a certainty), he will just dry himself off and move on to another project.

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36 minutes ago, soak_ed said:

I think it's a pretty big spectrum, there is room for everyone, even the outright crazy ones.  In the case of this guy, I think he is doing it to so see what happens, if it fails (which is almost a certainty), he will just dry himself off and move on to another project.

I'm inclined to agree. This new guy doesn't seem crazy, just misguided. Doesn't seem to be claiming an around the world voyage, begging for donations. Just wants to find out if he can design and build a boat himself. Still, it's a shame he didn't do more research or obtain real plans...that would have saved him time and money and ultimate grief.

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58 minutes ago, soak_ed said:

I think it's a pretty big spectrum, there is room for everyone, even the outright crazy ones.  In the case of this guy, I think he is doing it to so see what happens, if it fails (which is almost a certainty), he will just dry himself off and move on to another project.

I think HR's family had to do more than just dry themselves off.

Anywhere but the U.S. coats with it's phenomenal CG coverage they might well have all drowned.

I am not in favour of just letting people get on with dangerously stupid ideas and projects. Sometimes the adults have to step in.

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36 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

I think HR's family had to do more than just dry themselves off.

Anywhere but the U.S. coats with it's phenomenal CG coverage they might well have all drowned.

I am not in favour of just letting people get on with dangerously stupid ideas and projects. Sometimes the adults have to step in.

That'll happen when he tries to involve a launch facility. Until then, nobody's getting hurt other than the protagonist. 

I watched the first two videos and couldn't take it anymore. I'm looking forward to hearing how this turns out via the thread.

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3 hours ago, Sail4beer said:

He was going to fill it to the waterline iirc

That presupposes there is a known waterline.....

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

I think HR's family had to do more than just dry themselves off.

Anywhere but the U.S. coats with it's phenomenal CG coverage they might well have all drowned.

I am not in favour of just letting people get on with dangerously stupid ideas and projects. Sometimes the adults have to step in.

I am in favor of freedom of stupidity over a nanny state.  Besides, stupid can help thin the gene pool.  Always look on the bright side mate!  

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3 hours ago, dylan winter said:

good phrase there ed

 

"self medicating with boats" - watch out for the phrase being plundered in a forthcoming KTL movie

I got a great chuckle from your phrase - "look at those power boats at the fuel dock... like drunks at the bar" 

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7 minutes ago, nebe said:

I got a great chuckle from your phrase - "look at those power boats at the fuel dock... like drunks at the bar" 

It is odd making jokes in videos -  you never get to hear if they work

- like trees falling in a forest

I made a joke about Spanish martello towers being taken from behind by the British Navy

One kind chap sent me an email saying that it had cost him a keyboard due to a serious coffee spillage.

that made me happy - as did yours

 

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