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12 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

No, it wasn't a right. Which is why it was illegal in some states and not others before the 13th Amendment. You continue to confuse privilege with right. You are wrong, Raz'r is right.

Of course people had a right to own slaves and they did. The fact that some jurisdictions prohibited it before others is irrelevant.

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15 hours ago, badlatitude said:

 Except that the Flesch-Kincaid readability test is just a linear combination of syllables-per-word and words-per-sentence:

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And we know that there are "Real trends in word and sentence length" (LLOG 10/31/2011). The Flesch-Kincaid metric is so insensitive to actual reading difficulty that (at least as implemented in the on-line "Readability Score" apps) it doesn't even matter whether the tested material is in the English language. Thus the following poem by Goethe is rated at the 4.1 grade level by this moronic metric:

Hin und wieder fliegen Pfeile;
Amors leichte Pfeile fliegen
Von dem schlanken golden Bogen,
Mädchen, seid ihr nicht getroffen?
Es ist Glück! Es ist nur Glück.

Warum fliegt er so in Eile?
Jene dort will er besiegen;
Schon ist er vorbei geflogen;
Sorglos bleibt der Busen offen;
Gebet acht! Er kommt zurück!

Meine Ruh’ ist hin,

mein Herz ist schwer...

 

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28 minutes ago, Dog said:

Of course people had a right to own slaves and they did. The fact that some jurisdictions prohibited it before others is irrelevant.

If it's a right, it can't be prohibited anywhere.

This is  is civics 101.

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1 minute ago, B.J. Porter said:

If it's a right, it can't be prohibited anywhere.

This is  is civics 101.

He hasn't grasped reading comprehension 101 yet, it could take a while for the next step.

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14 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

If it's a right, it can't be prohibited anywhere.

This is  is civics 101.

Really, by what authority are these "rights" sacrosanct.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Of course people had a right to own slaves and they did. The fact that some jurisdictions prohibited it before others is irrelevant.

If they legally were allowed to prohibit it, Dog, it wasn't a "right". It was merely a privilege. If it were a right, they couldn't have legislated it away. 

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The devil is in the details:

I have the right to bear arms in Maryland and West Virginia both, but the right is not identical.

Free speech in the USA does not include publishing child porn. There have been prosecutions of *cartoon porn*.

In 2004, Wagner defended Richmond resident Dwight Whorley. Whorley, a registered sex offender, went to the Virginia Employment Commission office and downloaded 20 cartoon images of female children being forced to have sex with men.

Since he used the Internet to receive the pornography, he was prosecuted under federal law.

"Dwight Whorley got 20 years for that offense and I think that is unconscionable," said Wagner. "In animated child pornography videos, there is no victim and there's no exploitation of children." 

Wagner believes animated child pornography isn't dangerous but says the statute his client was prosecuted under is.

"I think that places far too much power on a prosecutor to use this statute to prosecute people who really aren't dangerous," he said.

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9 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

If they legally were allowed to prohibit it, Dog, it wasn't a "right". It was merely a privilege. If it were a right, they couldn't have legislated it away. 

I'll ask you the same question I ask BJ. What authority bestows these immutable rights and prohibits them from being legislated away? Not governments, government can certainly reverse any judgment they make.

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5 minutes ago, Dog said:

I'll ask you the same question I ask BJ. What authority bestows these immutable rights and prohibits them from being legislated away? Not governments, government can certainly reverse any judgment they make.

No one does. There are no such things as "immutable rights". The USA could have a Constitutional Convention and eliminate amendments 1,2,3,4 and 5. No angry god would show up and order them put back. We are a lot closer than many places - maybe most, maybe all - to having immutable rights though. Our 3 branch of government system and written constitution make it really hard work to get rid of them. With a parliamentary systems and "unwritten" rights established by long tradition, it is a bit easier to do.

FYI

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11 minutes ago, Dog said:

I'll ask you the same question I ask BJ. What authority bestows these immutable rights and prohibits them from being legislated away? Not governments, government can certainly reverse any judgment they make.

By your comments on Antifa - Europe does not have the right to free speech. They do not "even understand the concept" because they select which speech is and isn't allowed.

By your definition on what defines a right (that which isn't prohibited) - Europeans do not have the right to free speech because Europe prohibits free speech, such as Nazi rallies. 

Trying to claim Europe has free speech whilst also holding your other statements to be true renders you an inconsistent fool. Either your statement about Europe is incorrect or your definitions of free speech and rights are incorrect. Poor Dog can't have both, take your pick...

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7 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Lighten up Francine. I was just taking a dig at you for fun. I didn’t realize I touched a raw nerve. It’s is interesting however, that you say you have no need to explain yourself to me and then go onto exhaustively explain yourself to me. But while you’re in the explaining mood, how did the army “fuck up your knees” when you spent all your time both stints as a REMF?  It’s not like you had to do forced marches with battle ratle very often as a psych ward aid. Just saying. 

Your pretty funny flyboy.  I find it troubling that you think it is fun to make personal insults about my disabilities.  That to says a lot about your character or rather a lack of it.  I said I didn't need to explain myself but I felt I would anyway to set you straight.  

Now you double down calling me a REMF.  Gosh, I'm really sorry that I was in Japan during the first war in Iraq.  I actually put in a DA 4187 (request for personnel action) to go to Iraq but as I was the only person in my job in Japan, it made no sense to pull me out of there and send a replacement.  So yeah, in my 8 years of active duty service first during the Viet Nam war and the second time during the first war in Iraq, I was never deployed to a comabt zone.  Given the approximately 10:1 ratio of 'REMFs' to fighters, that isn't so unusual.  The fact is you sign on the line, you raise your right hand and you go where the Army needs you.  

I was not a "psych ward aid", I never worked on a psych ward in my Army time although I was responsible for having a fair amount of individuals admited to one.  People in my MOS (Behavioral Science Specialist) worked in outpatient mental health clinics, seeing clients during office hours and having to be on rotating on-call for mental health emergencies.  I also spent 2 years in Texas as an instructor, teaching future mental health techs, a REMF job, but I believe an important one.  While I may have been a REMF, I saw plenty of distrubing things and was involved in plenty of stressful situations, sometimes involving literally life or death decisions.  Like being called into the ER in the middle of the night to deal wiith individuals contemplating suicide or dealing with potentially violent people in the depths of a full blown psychosis.  Like interviewing young children that were victims of child sexual abuse.  Like dealing with the perpatrators of said abuse, testifying at courts martial and such.  Like working in the trauma room at a level 1 trauma center and trying to save the lives of gunshot and accident victims.  I wouldn't doubt if I have seen more blood, guts, gore, death and disturbing things than many combat veterans.  Not being shot at relieved some of the stress, but the job was hardly a picnic.  In addition to my physical disabilities, I carry thoughts and images in my head of horrifying things that I have seen and heard, that will never go away.

Unlike the Air Force, if you are a soldier in the Army, you are considered a soldier first and whatever your job is, second.  That means you go out to the woods and play Army for a week or so in full 'battle rattle', living in a GP teeny, eating MREs, going on road marches, not bathing for some days and such.  In addition we had mandatory physical training 5 days a week at 6 a.m., we were required to take a PT test every 6 months and re-qualify on our weapon every year.  I also spent a month in Korea at NCO school, doing normal soldier tasks (shoot, move, and communicate) along with leadership training and 9 weeks at the next level NCO school in Texas, again playing soldier in full 'battle rattle'.

I have a good idea of your motivation for feeling the need to have 'fun' with me.  Please answer a few of my questions if you don't mind.  Did you actually retire from the Air Force or did you leave early?  What was your final rank?  What is your VA disability rating?  What for?  I am pretty sure, if you spent some years in the Air Force, when you left you got some kind of disability rating.  The Air Force doctors are quite generous when evaluating airmen prior to discharge and the VA rarely disputes the finding of the service doctors when establishing the initial disability rating.  In Japan, I worked with a medically discharged Air Force enlisted veteran.  He received a 100% disability rating because the Air Force allegedly ruined his knees.  Yet while living in Japan, his hobby was bicycle distance racing, he regularly rode 75-100 miles at a time.  While collecting disability pay for 'ruined knees'.  My guess is at a minimum you got 10% for the following:

"Diagnostic code 7336 applies when rating hemorrhoids. A noncompensable rating is assigned for mild or moderate hemorrhoids. 38 C.F.R. § 4.114, DC 7336 (2002). A10 percent rating is warranted where the hemorrhoids are large or thrombotic, irreducible, with excessive redundant tissue, evidencing frequent recurrence."  

After all, sitting on your ass all day in your air conditioned cockpit, could certainly lead to a terrible case of hemorrhoids.  My thought is you feel a tad guilty for collecting some BS disability rating.  Enjoy your $136.24 a month, you earned it.

You were a pilot, that's great.  You dropped bombs on the enemy, maybe you saved some US soldiers lives, wonderful.  We both served our country and did as we were told.  When you join the service the agreement is they will return you to civilain life at some point, in approximately the condtion you entered in. If not, they agreed to compensate you for any damage you incurred.  As my service connected disabilities have severely affected my employment possibilities, I don't feel bad at all for being compesated for my problems.  When I came back in the Army, I met the physical standards.  In the course of my service, the requirements of being a soldier exacerbated my condition to the point where, while on active duty I had 2 major operations on my knees involving bone grafts, in addition to several arthroscopic procedures for multiple tears in my knee cartilage.  Whatever I was doing obviously had an impact on my knees.  I don't understand your need to have some 'fun' with me, denigrating my service, doubting my disabilities, and generally being an ass about it.  I guess somehow you have a need to do that. If it makes you feel better, fine, just don't expect me just to sit back and take your unwarranted abuse without pushing back.

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6 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

By your comments on Antifa - Europe does not have the right to free speech. They do not "even understand the concept" because they select which speech is and isn't allowed.

By your definition on what defines a right (that which isn't prohibited) - Europeans do not have the right to free speech because Europe prohibits free speech, such as Nazi rallies. 

Trying to claim Europe has free speech whilst also holding your other statements to be true renders you an inconsistent fool. Either your statement about Europe is incorrect or your definitions of free speech and rights are incorrect. Poor Dog can't have both, take your pick...

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Jeezzuss - this has turned into the single most insanely boring thread ever.

How many angels are you lot up to on that pinhead now?

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7 hours ago, Dog said:

I'll ask you the same question I ask BJ. What authority bestows these immutable rights and prohibits them from being legislated away? Not governments, government can certainly reverse any judgment they make.

I guess you couldn't be bothered to read the article I posted.

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3 hours ago, badlatitude said:

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:lol: That's better - thanks.

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35 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Sorry you are not my type.

Ah shit.... now Sol is going to post another Aristocrats "joke".

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19 hours ago, frenchie said:

How the hell... ?

yeah, thanks for pointing that out. 

Starting at post #90  -  everything I posted in this thread, was supposed to be in the "fire & fury" thread. 

 

 

...looks like I accidentally found another way to quote a post from one thread, in a different thread: open both threads in separate tabs; use the multiquote button in the one thread, then hit reply in the other thread. 

 

...wait.  I was asking about that, in THIS thread. 

Not THAT thread. 

...Fuck me.

Oh. OK. Got it.

And couldn't resist putting it back over here.

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Finished it the other day.

Summary: They are all idiots, ideologues, and fuckwads trying to spin the clueless man-baby buffoon into their own agenda while trying to keep him stepping on his own dick.

In other words...nothing that most reasonably smart people haven't already deduced from watching the shit-show go down live over the last year.

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

Finished it the other day.

Summary: They are all idiots, ideologues, and fuckwads trying to spin the clueless man-baby buffoon into their own agenda while trying to keep him stepping on his own dick.

In other words...nothing that most reasonably smart people haven't already deduced from watching the shit-show go down live over the last year.

I am getting bored with it. Kind of like watching old news from the Tivo. He is way dumber than most people know, even his enemies, and his staff of clueless shitbags try and manipulate him for their own ends because he is way too stupid to come up with any policy on his own.

The only reason we are still a country is they collectively can't add up enough IQ points to do more damage than they are doing.

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42 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I am getting bored with it. Kind of like watching old news from the Tivo. He is way dumber than most people know, even his enemies, and his staff of clueless shitbags try and manipulate him for their own ends because he is way too stupid to come up with any policy on his own.

The only reason we are still a country is they collectively can't add up enough IQ points to do more damage than they are doing.

They make the Nixon administration look like the Renaissance.

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5 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Finished it the other day.

Summary: They are all idiots, ideologues, and fuckwads trying to spin the clueless man-baby buffoon into their own agenda while trying to keep him stepping on his own dick.

In other words...nothing that most reasonably smart people haven't already deduced from watching the shit-show go down live over the last year.

thanks for doing the heavy lifting and also the summary.

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5 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Finished it the other day.

Summary: They are all idiots, ideologues, and fuckwads trying to spin the clueless man-baby buffoon into their own agenda while trying to keep him stepping on his own dick.

In other words...nothing that most reasonably smart people haven't already deduced from watching the shit-show go down live over the last year.

 

Many of us figured this out 30 years ago, with his ghost written book, "Art of the Deal".....

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5 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

In other words...nothing that most reasonably smart people haven't already deduced from watching the shit-show go down live over the last year.

Yep, I could not take it after a third of the way through.  Had to stop beating myself with more stupid.

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On 1/12/2018 at 3:41 PM, Raz'r said:

I guess you couldn't be bothered to read the article I posted.

And of course you duck the question because there is no higher authority bestowing rights.

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4 hours ago, billy backstay said:
9 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Finished it the other day.

Summary: They are all idiots, ideologues, and fuckwads trying to spin the clueless man-baby buffoon into their own agenda while trying to keep him stepping on his own dick.

In other words...nothing that most reasonably smart people haven't already deduced from watching the shit-show go down live over the last year.

 

Many of us figured this out 30 years ago, with his ghost written book, "Art of the Deal".....

Or anyone that spent any time around NYC, where I lived in the early 90s. What a fucking clown he was then, too.

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12 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

It will be interesting to see if @Happy Jack, I mean @Hillary, will read this transcript and still try to convince us the Messiah isn't nucking futs.

Jack has reading difficulties, It may be easier to hear the recording. http://www.wsj.com/video/disputed-audio-from-donald-trump-interview-with-wsj/33003B4D-0DA4-4760-B913-0C2CDC903E74.html

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5 hours ago, badlatitude said:

It's more of a comprehension filter thing with Hilary Jack.

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15 hours ago, Dog said:

And of course you duck the question because there is no higher authority bestowing rights.

The article had an explanation that could point out WHY we have a difference of opinion. This debates been going on 2500 years. But you couldn’t be bothered to try to understand my point. Typical.

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On 1/12/2018 at 11:18 AM, ease the sheet said:

Slave ownership a right?

WHAT THE FUCK?

 

 

It used to be.  It took the 14th Am to make it no longer a right.  

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12 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

It used to be.  It took the 14th Am to make it no longer a right.  

Yup, the last states with slaves were union.  The words right and privilege get easily confused.  Do I have the right to carry a concealed weapon.  Yes, if you jump through a bunch of hoops, at least in my state.  

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57 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

It used to be.  It took the 14th Am to make it no longer a right.  

No. It was a privilege extended by some states until that was rendered explicitly illegal across the nation once the 13th Amendment was passed.

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51 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

No. It was a privilege extended by some states until that was rendered explicitly illegal across the nation once the 13th Amendment was passed.

Sigh.....

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:
2 hours ago, Bent Sailor said:

No. It was a privilege extended by some states until that was rendered explicitly illegal across the nation once the 13th Amendment was passed.

Sigh.....

That is JB being mind fucked.  He's got  nothing else.

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David Brooks, a civilized and erudite commentator in the New York Times, led the way out of the inferno for the conservative anti-Trump intelligentsia. He is far from the grace of conversion, but Mr. Brooks wrote:

The anti-Trump movement, of which I’m a proud member, seems to be getting dumber. It seems to be settling into a smug fairy tale version of reality that filters out discordant information. More anti-Trumpers seem to be telling themselves a “Madness of King George” narrative: Trump is a semi-literate madman surrounded by sycophants who are morally, intellectually and psychologically inferior to people like us. I’d like to think it’s possible to be fervently anti-Trump while also not reducing everything to a fairy tale.

Bingo! Mr. Brooks is on the up escalator. When he has a little altitude, he will recognize that what he has left behind him is not a fairy tale but a fictional horror story.

Mr. Trump has mannerisms and foibles that are legitimately unattractive to many, and that is certainly adequate reason to disapprove of him, if there is a better alternative. There isn’t. And as Mr. Brooks and kindred spirits, including another old friend with whom I have parted company on this subject but retained cordial relations, Bret Stephens, now also of the New York Times, acknowledges, what this president has done is actually quite good, and a vast improvement on his post-Reagan predecessors.

Mr. Wolff had his three days of national prominence, like so many other Trumpophobes who have had cameo roles, from Khizr Khan to Gloria Allred, but the anti-Trump coalition fragmented. Alan Dershowitz, a Clinton voter in the last election, warned that the effort to escalate perfervid Trumpophobia from criminalization of policy differences (as well as sour grapes over the lost election) to “psychiatrization” was even more sinister and anti-democratic.

The leftist press had a few vocal psychiatrists whom they have been trotting out from time to time to claim Mr. Trump is mad, and in the last few days they swanned through parts of the lockstep circuit of CNN-MSNBC-CBS-ABC-NBC (which briefly declared itself in favor of Oprah Winfrey for president on January 8, before retracting).

But then, as is his habit, the president sortied out of what David Brooks calls the “Potemkin White House” and dealt his enemies a shattering rebuff.

The President had the cameras present in the cabinet room for almost an hour as he led, rather magisterially, as all admitted, a discussion of immigration issues with 22 Democratic and Republican leaders of both congressional houses, and sat himself next to leading Democrats, Senator Richard Durbin and Representative Steny Hoyer. The country saw that Donald Trump is reasonable, persuasive, and knowledgeable.

To prove to skeptics that miracles occur, CNN’s ne plus ultra of fake-news authorship, Wolf Blitzer, uttered words of respectful admiration for the president. 

http://www.nysun.com/national/president-trumps-foes-retreat-to-a-rat-infested/90168/

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Trump is the strawman for what is really going on.  The ' something shiny, over there.'

And even he does not know that.

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15 minutes ago, Hillary said:

The President had the cameras present in the cabinet room for almost an hour as he led, rather magisterially, as all admitted, a discussion of immigration issues with 22 Democratic and Republican leaders of both congressional houses, and sat himself next to leading Democrats, Senator Richard Durbin and Representative Steny Hoyer. The country saw that Donald Trump is reasonable, persuasive, and knowledgeable.

To prove to skeptics that miracles occur, CNN’s ne plus ultra of fake-news authorship, Wolf Blitzer, uttered words of respectful admiration for the president. 

If you truly listend to that shitshow, although he tried to sound Presidential, Trump was flip flopping like a carp on a riverbank with an arrow through it's side.  Forst e virtually agreed with Pelosi that he would accept a clean bill for the DACA problem and then solve the rest of the puzzle.  Until the Republicans present realized in horror what Trump said and quickly persuaded him to change his mind.  At he end of the video, he went from I'll sign anything they give me, to I wn't sign anyhting that doesn't include the wall.  

The only reason Trump got any praise for that pitiful performance is because he didn't blame Hilary for everything, constantly, for once.  I think it was remarkable that he didn't even mention the 'record' crowds at his innauguration as is his habit.

2 minutes ago, random said:

Trump is the strawman for what is really going on.  The ' something shiny, over there.'

And even he does not know that.

I really have to agree with Random on this one.  Next thing you know I will agree with Jeffie on something.  The end times are surely imminent.

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4 hours ago, Hillary said:

 More anti-Trumpers seem to be telling themselves a “Madness of King George” narrative: Trump is a semi-literate madman surrounded by sycophants who are morally, intellectually and psychologically inferior to people like us.

This is 100% true as far as I can tell. What exactly makes you think this isn't the case?

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12 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

This is 100% true as far as I can tell. What exactly makes you think this isn't the case?

I'd say @Happy Jack's, I mean @Hillary's, unflagging support of President Trump makes a strong case for the narrative he describes.

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7 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

If you truly listend to that shitshow, although he tried to sound Presidential, Trump was flip flopping like a carp on a riverbank with an arrow through it's side.  Forst e virtually agreed with Pelosi that he would accept a clean bill for the DACA problem and then solve the rest of the puzzle.  Until the Republicans present realized in horror what Trump said and quickly persuaded him to change his mind.  At he end of the video, he went from I'll sign anything they give me, to I wn't sign anyhting that doesn't include the wall.  

The only reason Trump got any praise for that pitiful performance is because he didn't blame Hilary for everything, constantly, for once.  I think it was remarkable that he didn't even mention the 'record' crowds at his innauguration as is his habit.

I really have to agree with Random on this one.  Next thing you know I will agree with Jeffie on something.  The end times are surely imminent.

I did listen and what you call flipflops, his departure from a clean single purpose bill toward comprehensive, was clear to me. He said, paraphrasing, "if you want to complicate this by tackling more than daca we can explore that, but it makes it harder", I call a willingness to consider OTHER opinions. I think the word you were looking for was compromise. 

Yeah, I get it, that is a four letter word to a Democrat. 

The real sad part is that the democrats have one purpose in every such meeting. What twist can I put on this meeting to score political points. To bad it wasn't to find a compromise that works for America.  

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Yeah, I get it, that is a four letter word to a Democrat.

After what we have witnessed from the Republicans over the past 20 years, that is possibly the most egregiously stupid statement you have ever made.

A true accomplishment.

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Just now, SloopJonB said:

After what we have witnessed from the Republicans over the past 20 years, that is possibly the most egregiously stupid statement you have ever made.

A true accomplishment.

No, Jack has said many things that are at least as stupid. He's a master.

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Holy Moroni, Jack can bend, twist and turn more than the most limber Chinese acrobat, in the service of his unholy master!  Dude would make a Gordian knot look straight.   No, fuck that, Jack would have even made Liberace look straight!

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5 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

Holy Moroni, Jack can bend, twist and turn more than the most limber Chinese acrobat, in the service of his unholy master!  Dude would make a Gordian knot look straight.   No, fuck that, Jack would have even made Liberace look straight!

He would have made Rain Man look high IQ.

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3 hours ago, kent_island_sailor said:

This is 100% true as far as I can tell. What exactly makes you think this isn't the case?

All I can tell you is that your over indulgence in negative adjectives weakens your case. You and others don't realize that your condemnations are ageist in the extreme. 

Anyone who, unlike you,  enjoys the company of seniors for their experience and history, knows, with age, that we all tend to settle on a collection of stories and anecdotes. That we become set in our ways and those ways were shaped by a history younger generations never experienced and can't always relate to. If you are close to such a person, parent or grandparent for example, I guarantee you will hear the same stories repeatedly sometime more than once during the same occasion. You'll hear language that went out of fashion or is not conformal with the current and ever changing PC. It is a quirk of aging and not necessarily any reflection on their intellect or a sign of mental decline. 

Your take on Trump is ageist and just as evil as any other ist. 

Tagging him with some mental defect is just politics and an offensive brand of, win at any cost, politics at that. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Hillary said:

All I can tell you is that your over indulgence in negative adjectives weakens your case. You and others don't realize that your condemnations are ageist in the extreme. 

Anyone who, unlike you,  enjoys the company of seniors for their experience and history, knows, with age, that we all tend to settle on a collection of stories and anecdotes. That we become set in our ways and those ways were shaped by a history younger generations never experienced and can't always relate to. If you are close to such a person, parent or grandparent for example, I guarantee you will hear the same stories repeatedly sometime more than once during the same occasion. You'll hear language that went out of fashion or is not conformal with the current and ever changing PC. It is a quirk of aging and not necessarily any reflection on their intellect or a sign of mental decline. 

Your take on Trump is ageist and just as evil as any other ist. 

Tagging him with some mental defect is just politics and an offensive brand of, win at any cost, politics at that. 

 

Who is this 'we', do you have a turd in your pocket?

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21 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

After what we have witnessed from the Republicans over the past 20 years, that is possibly the most egregiously stupid statement you have ever made.

A true accomplishment.

I'm sorry but how does that excuse the behaviour of Democrats. If your argument is Republicans do it too? I agree. 

What I'm pointing out and your partisanship blinds you to, is that when Trump tried to show flexibility and a willingness to compromise the left calls it a flip flop. 

Let's all be honest here. Trump won't win you over no matter what he says or does.  Flexible? He flip flops. Ridgid? He refuses to compromise. 

 

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It's a bit old, so there are likely scores of more instances in which the President took a principled stand by arguing (sequentially) both sides of an issue.

The rest of the world sees that as "flip-flopping", a term previously used as an insult by Republicans.  Now, they see that behavior as a virtue.

President Trump's "flip-flops" through 100 days.

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5 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

It's a bit old, so there are likely scores of more instances in which the President took a principled stand by arguing (sequentially) both sides of an issue.

The rest of the world sees that as "flip-flopping", a term previously used as an insult by Republicans.  Now, they see that behavior as a virtue.

President Trump's "flip-flops" through 100 days.

Ignore who coined the phrase (you may be wrong **), is his willingness to consider all sides a flaw or not? Maybe you prefer that he be a rigid right wing  idealog?

 

** In the archives of The New York Times, which go back to 1851, the earliest unequivocal mention of "flip-flop" as a change in someone's opinion, is in an October 23, 1890, report of a campaign speech in New York City. John W. Goff, candidate for district attorney, said of one of his opponents: "I would like to hear Mr. Nicoll explain his great flip-flop, for three years ago, you know, as the Republican candidate for District Attorney, he bitterly denounced Tammany as a party run by bosses and in the interest of bossism.... Nicoll, who three years ago was denouncing Tammany, is its candidate to-day."[

 

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28 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

considers? he doesn't have the capacity to consider.

There you go again, shooting a hole in your own argument with hyperbole and silliness.  

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56 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Ignore who coined the phrase (you may be wrong **), is his willingness to consider all sides a flaw or not? Maybe you prefer that he be a rigid right wing  idealog?

 

** In the archives of The New York Times, which go back to 1851, the earliest unequivocal mention of "flip-flop" as a change in someone's opinion, is in an October 23, 1890, report of a campaign speech in New York City. John W. Goff, candidate for district attorney, said of one of his opponents: "I would like to hear Mr. Nicoll explain his great flip-flop, for three years ago, you know, as the Republican candidate for District Attorney, he bitterly denounced Tammany as a party run by bosses and in the interest of bossism.... Nicoll, who three years ago was denouncing Tammany, is its candidate to-day."[

 

Who said anything about who coined the phrase?  Certainly not me.

I spoke to a time when Republicans wielded the label as a weapon.  You know, like in 2004?

"The term also was used extensively in the 2004 U.S. presidential election campaign. It was used by critics as a catch-phrase attack on John Kerry, claiming he was "flip-flopping" his stance on several issues, including the ongoing war in Iraq. Famously, on March 16, 2004, during an appearance at Marshall University Kerry tried to explain his vote for an $87 billion supplemental appropriation for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan by telling the crowd, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." After the remark became controversial, he explained that he had supported an earlier Democratic measure that would have paid for the $87 billion in war funding by reducing Bush's tax cuts."

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I guess you'd like to pretend the GOP never made that out as a negative, given the current leader of the Party and his propensity to flip and flop.

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52 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Please show with evidence Donald Trump seriously considering anything. Show his reasoning.

You are correct, Trump does not understand or use 'reasoning'.  There is none to show.  He is a lunatic, bat-shit fucking crazy.  Everyone is saying it.  Sad.

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3 hours ago, Hillary said:

I'm sorry but how does that excuse the behaviour of Democrats. If your argument is Republicans do it too? I agree. 

What I'm pointing out and your partisanship blinds you to, is that when Trump tried to show flexibility and a willingness to compromise the left calls it a flip flop. 

Let's all be honest here. Trump won't win you over no matter what he says or does.  Flexible? He flip flops. Ridgid? He refuses to compromise. 

 

Flexibility? A “clean DACA” bill became a “DACA is Dead” tweet. I suppose if you mean mental gymnastics...

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18 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

It used to be.  It took the 14th Am to make it no longer a right.  

It was never a right.  The constitution just took awhile to align with reality. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Hillary said:

All I can tell you is that your over indulgence in negative adjectives weakens your case. You and others don't realize that your condemnations are ageist in the extreme. 

Anyone who, unlike you,  enjoys the company of seniors for their experience and history, knows, with age, that we all tend to settle on a collection of stories and anecdotes. That we become set in our ways and those ways were shaped by a history younger generations never experienced and can't always relate to. If you are close to such a person, parent or grandparent for example, I guarantee you will hear the same stories repeatedly sometime more than once during the same occasion. You'll hear language that went out of fashion or is not conformal with the current and ever changing PC. It is a quirk of aging and not necessarily any reflection on their intellect or a sign of mental decline. 

Your take on Trump is ageist and just as evil as any other ist. 

Tagging him with some mental defect is just politics and an offensive brand of, win at any cost, politics at that.

Fuck that bullshit  -  YOU'RE the one being ageist.

"oh, he's just old, you know how old people get..."  Nice lowered expectations!  Condescend, much?

I can name a dozen friends & family who're older than Trump, have never told me the same story twice, and have never used "non-PC" language in my hearing.

 

(I can also name some acquaintances, younger and older than Trump, who repeat the same stories all the time, use racist language sometimes, say sexist things...

It's got nothing to do with age.  It's got to do with whether the persons' a self-absorbed egotist, and whether they're racist, and whether they're sexist. )

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8 hours ago, Ed Lada said:
8 hours ago, Hillary said:

All I can tell you is that your over indulgence in negative adjectives weakens your case. You and others don't realize that your condemnations are ageist in the extreme. 

Anyone who, unlike you,  enjoys the company of seniors for their experience and history, knows, with age, that we all tend to settle on a collection of stories and anecdotes. That we become set in our ways and those ways were shaped by a history younger generations never experienced and can't always relate to. If you are close to such a person, parent or grandparent for example, I guarantee you will hear the same stories repeatedly sometime more than once during the same occasion. You'll hear language that went out of fashion or is not conformal with the current and ever changing PC. It is a quirk of aging and not necessarily any reflection on their intellect or a sign of mental decline. 

Your take on Trump is ageist and just as evil as any other ist. 

Tagging him with some mental defect is just politics and an offensive brand of, win at any cost, politics at that. 

 

Who is this 'we', do you have a turd in your pocket?

Although I don't like to engage or answer Hillary Jack, this stands out.

My parents are five years older than Trump. Same basic generation, same basic cultural upbringing.

They do NOT, however, run around saying stupid, ignorant and racist shit like Trump does. They don't say racist things, they don't say ignorant things. They are educated, however, and unlike Trump their education actually left some residue in their brains when they were in school.

He's a shitty and ignorant person, that's why shitty and stupid things come out of his mouth.

 

Hillary Jack is COMPLETELY right - this has fuck-all to do with age. It has everything to do with Trump being a terrible human being, a colossal ignoramus, and a sociopathic megalomaniac.

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23 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Although I don't like to engage or answer Hillary Jack, this stands out.

My parents are five years older than Trump. Same basic generation, same basic cultural upbringing.

They do NOT, however, run around saying stupid, ignorant and racist shit like Trump does. They don't say racist things, they don't say ignorant things. They are educated, however, and unlike Trump their education actually left some residue in their brains when they were in school.

He's a shitty and ignorant person, that's why shitty and stupid things come out of his mouth.

 

Hillary Jack is COMPLETELY right - this has fuck-all to do with age. It has everything to do with Trump being a terrible human being, a colossal ignoramus, and a sociopathic megalomaniac.

You forgot "fractal piece of shit".

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On 1/15/2018 at 8:26 PM, Ishmael said:

You forgot "fractal piece of shit".

By which you mean, I assume, that no matter how you look at him, or how closely you zoom in, he is the exact same piece of shit.

Word.

 

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21 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Wolff who? Didn't someone by that name write a fairy tale?  

You mean like that guy who wrote fiction about what he said to others, and what was said to him, in private message? That kind of fairy tale?

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32 minutes ago, mad said:
2 hours ago, Sean said:

Wolff sold the TV rights, Fire and Fury will become a small screen series - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/michael-wolffs-fire-fury-become-tv-series-1075346

The casting will be interesting. 

It would be a dull TV series, as it would basically be a re-hash of the same shit we've been watching on the news.

Now, if they were to do a MUSICAL that would be some awesome shit.

Who wants to see a singing and dancing Steve Bannon? Anyone? Hands up!

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6 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

It would be a dull TV series, as it would basically be a re-hash of the same shit we've been watching on the news.

Now, if they were to do a MUSICAL that would be some awesome shit.

Who wants to see a singing and dancing Steve Bannon? Anyone? Hands up!

Rosie O'Donnell singing a Press Conference?  Oy Vey!

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13 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

It would be a dull TV series, as it would basically be a re-hash of the same shit we've been watching on the news.

Now, if they were to do a MUSICAL that would be some awesome shit.

Who wants to see a singing and dancing Steve Bannon? Anyone? Hands up!

They could call it "Springtime for Trump".

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Rich Little was a fantastic impressionist.  He nailed Nixon.  The transformation in this video is amazing!

Suitable for audiences that remember Rich Little, Richard Nixon, and Mission Impossible.

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

They could call it "Springtime for Trump".

 

With apologies to Mel Brooks -

America was having trouble, what a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore its former glory
Where, Oh where was he? Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me
And now it's..

Springtime for Donald and America
The U.S. is happy and gay
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race

Springtime for Donald and America
Winter for Haiti and Africa
Springtime for Donald and America
Come on, White Americans, go into your dance

I was born in Jamaica, and that is whe they call me Cheeto Benito
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Republican  party

Springtime for Donald and America
Goosestep's the new step today
Bombs falling from the skies again
America is on the rise again

Springtime for Donald and America
aircraft carriers are sailing once more

Springtime for Donald and America 
Means that soon we'll be going
We've got to be going
You know we'll be going to WAR!

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

It would be a dull TV series, as it would basically be a re-hash of the same shit we've been watching on the news.

Now, if they were to do a MUSICAL that would be some awesome shit.

Who wants to see a singing and dancing Steve Bannon? Anyone? Hands up!

Having watched (twice) and positively loved "Book of Mormon", might I recommend it be written by Trey Parker, Matt Stone, and Robert Lopez? That is a musical that would sell out worldwide.

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

It would be a dull TV series, as it would basically be a re-hash of the same shit we've been watching on the news.

Now, if they were to do a MUSICAL that would be some awesome shit.

Who wants to see a singing and dancing Steve Bannon? Anyone? Hands up!

+1

I gave up on the book. All I have to do is watch the news to see the shit in real time. Once you get the basics down, nothing is a surprise.

1. Trump is the biggest leaker of the bunch and dumber than you think.

2. The rest of his Band of Bozos hate each other and leak to undermine each other constantly.

3. His policy is basically whatever the last one to talk to him tells him it should be.

4. The author didn't bother to explain what he knows, what he heard 2nd hand, and what he heard from a guy that knows a guy.

5. NONE of the fuckwits have the brains to run a country or even a dog kennel.

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4 hours ago, Sean said:

Wolff sold the TV rights, Fire and Fury will become a small screen series - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/michael-wolffs-fire-fury-become-tv-series-1075346

Must see TV. 

Of course, the Faithful will be tuning in to Fox News to catch that series “Scandalous”. But, first, they’ll need to get a large bottle of lotion. 

Do cruise ships have Fox News available for guests?

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1 hour ago, Bus Driver said:

Do cruise ships have Fox News available for guests?

I thought it was mandatory on those things.

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