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10 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

american "left" or left? :D

I only live here and happen to find the place pretty fkn' absurd overall..

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11 hours ago, mikewof said:

Wretched masses mostly built this country. Some came enslaved, some came half dead, some jammed into coffin ships from China and Europe, but they did build the place.

Yep, legal ones per the law of the time.

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7 hours ago, Irish River said:

Life is cheap in the USA too. How many children have to die because of lack of healthcare? How many children die because their brother shot them with dad's gun? How many people die because some unstable person had easy access to firearms? How many people have their life shortened because of lack of education of basic nutrition?

The USA is the shithole of the developed world. And yet I'm very happy to live next to it.  It provides us protection and stable trading partner.

But your Pres calling other nations shitholes is disgusting, he the leader of the free world not some two bit hack in front of a keyboard. 

That rant came from an Afrikaner racist and has been posted before. BTW, "death is common"?? In Africa and the Americas, every single person dies and mostly only once.

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Country vs. Person

The USA may need doctors and have a surplus of ditch diggers. Like every other 1st world country, we could prioritize getting what we want and give doctors a higher score than semi-literate manual laborers.

That is common sense.

What is utterly racist is the idea that northern Europe is the only place educated people come from and no one from Haiti or Africa could possibly know anything or do anything.

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2 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Country vs. Person

The USA may need doctors and have a surplus of ditch diggers. Like every other 1st world country, we could prioritize getting what we want and give doctors a higher score than semi-literate manual laborers.

That is common sense.

What is utterly racist is the idea that northern Europe is the only place educated people come from and no one from Haiti or Africa could possibly know anything or do anything.

Cultural similarities are extremely important.

im not interested in spending tax payer money Addressing  imported female genital mutalation, racism, prejudice or 1000 years old grievances 

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3 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Country vs. Person

The USA may need doctors and have a surplus of ditch diggers. Like every other 1st world country, we could prioritize getting what we want and give doctors a higher score than semi-literate manual laborers.

That is common sense.

What is utterly racist is the idea that northern Europe is the only place educated people come from and no one from Haiti or Africa could possibly know anything or do anything.

Personally I think your green card lottery is one of the few policies in the USA that saves it from being completely condemned internationally as a racist shithole.

You can cover many of your international sins with it.

 

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WTF? Is he denying he said it?

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The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!

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13 hours ago, Left Shift said:

As Senator Durbin explained how immigration deal would impact people from Haiti, Trump said, "Haiti?  Why do we want people from Haiti here?"  Then they got to Africa. "Why do we want these people from all these shithole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway."

 

Can we put that on the Statue of Liberty now?  No more fucking "wretched" masses "yearning to breathe free."  We are so done with that.

Perhaps Trump etc should ;)cover up the poem, and install stadium sized Diamond Vision (tm) screens (with PA) playing a loop of Tracey Ullman’s sign off “Oh go home!” instead.  I’m sure this would be seen by the Trump administration as a friendly diplomatic overture to the British.  Would Tillerson agree?  Does the man enjoy British humor? 

Sounds like something Walternate would do...

edit-  you don’t suppose El Presidente is an escapee from a parallel universe?  It would explain some things...<_<

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3 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Personally I think your green card lottery is one of the few policies in the USA that saves it from being completely condemned internationally as a racist shithole.

You can cover many of your international sins with it.

 

You live in the last place on this planet that can tell anyone else anything about immigration, Just FYI

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12 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Country vs. Person

The USA may need doctors and have a surplus of ditch diggers. Like every other 1st world country, we could prioritize getting what we want and give doctors a higher score than semi-literate manual laborers.

That is common sense.

What is utterly racist is the idea that northern Europe is the only place educated people come from and no one from Haiti or Africa could possibly know anything or do anything.

Some parts of northern europe are really bad as well it seems..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42657567/us-ambassador-still-can-t-answer-netherlands-questions

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1 minute ago, kent_island_sailor said:

You live in the last place on this planet that can tell anyone else anything about immigration, Just FYI

precisely..you have one really good and fair immigration policy..don't fuck it up..OTOH..we take way more refugees than you do  PC :)

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6 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

 

 

WTF? Is he denying he said it?

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The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!

Could someone translate that sentence into English for me. Shouldn't basic language competency, perhaps in any language, be a requirement to be POTUS?

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

precisely..you have one really good and fair immigration policy..don't fuck it up..OTOH..we take way more refugees than you do  PC :)

IMHO our worst immigration policy is not punishing the employers of illegals. We run around arresting 7-11 workers without papers when we know damn well they will be replaced in a few hours with more. If the 7-11 CEO was looking at 5 years in jail that shit would end by close of business today. The R base wants all "them damn Mexican rapists" rounded up, but the donor class sure as hell doesn't want any serious issue with the cheap labor pipeline :rolleyes:

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Just now, kent_island_sailor said:

IMHO our worst immigration policy is not punishing the employers of illegals. We run around arresting 7-11 workers without papers when we know damn well they will be replaced in a few hours with more. If the 7-11 CEO was looking at 5 years in jail that shit would end by close of business today. The R base wants all "them damn Mexican rapists" rounded up, but the donor class sure as hell doesn't want any serious issue with the cheap labor pipeline :rolleyes:

Actually 7/11 are in big trouble over here, selling franchises that more or less oblige employers/owners to break our minimum wage laws..Go after 7/11.

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4 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

IMHO our worst immigration policy is not punishing the employers of illegals. We run around arresting 7-11 workers without papers when we know damn well they will be replaced in a few hours with more. If the 7-11 CEO was looking at 5 years in jail that shit would end by close of business today. The R base wants all "them damn Mexican rapists" rounded up, but the donor class sure as hell doesn't want any serious issue with the cheap labor pipeline :rolleyes:

Shhhhh!  They’ll hear you!  You know- the ‘Ubiquitous Pluralism’-

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31 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Cultural similarities are extremely important.

 

to you. in the context of general rational prioritization, some would consider it a fart in the wind compared to things like biosphere decimation, for example.

but no one does petty like the american right-wing. no one.

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7 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

IMHO our worst immigration policy is not punishing the employers of illegals. We run around arresting 7-11 workers without papers when we know damn well they will be replaced in a few hours with more. If the 7-11 CEO was looking at 5 years in jail that shit would end by close of business today. The R base wants all "them damn Mexican rapists" rounded up, but the donor class sure as hell doesn't want any serious issue with the cheap labor pipeline :rolleyes:

The verification process is broken ....fake document are every where.

an employer can not verify an employyes documents 

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2 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

The verification process is broken ....fake document are every where.

an employer can not verify an employyes documents 

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You know your losing and argument when you have to start citing anomalies.

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Botswana wants to know if they are officially listed by the United States Government as a Shithole Country.  

Is the the Congress authorized to create such a list (the Shithole Country Registry Act)?  Would we send foreign aid to countries in the list?  Military aid?  Will there be a No Travel list for countries on the Shithole Country registry?  Will travel alerts be issued viz Shithole Countries?  

Do we need an official Shithole Country list?

Trump actually may be an insane escapee from a different universe....

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4 hours ago, slug zitski said:

Sounds good to me.  Immigration is not a form  of humanitary assitance.  

Immigrants must be selected accourding to thier abilty to contribute to America.

immigrants should  get no special treatment simply because thier country is within walking distance of the border.

 

So should US citizens abroad.    They need to be interrogated on return to see how they have made America great.   If they’re merely looking out for their own interests and didn’t accomplish some tangible greater good, they should be sent back out to try again,    Too many people spend their lives making money and having fun, then expect a reward for it.

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28 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Country vs. Person

The USA may need doctors and have a surplus of ditch diggers. Like every other 1st world country, we could prioritize getting what we want and give doctors a higher score than semi-literate manual laborers.

That is common sense.

What is utterly racist is the idea that northern Europe is the only place educated people come from and no one from Haiti or Africa could possibly know anything or do anything.

Have you looked at your local healthcare providers recently?

There are plenty of well educated immigrants are coming into the country legally.

Plenty of them in Silicon Valley too.  In those cases the illegal immigration is more a function of violating the terms of a student visas than crossing of the border in violation of the legally established process.

 

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7 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

The verification process is broken ....fake document are every where.

an employer can not verify an employyes documents 

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If the CEO class was looking at jail time, we would have good verification in a couple of days :rolleyes:

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Just now, kent_island_sailor said:

If the CEO class was looking at jail time, we would have good verification in a couple of days :rolleyes:

I agree.  Aiding and abetting is criminal.

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Just now, Saorsa said:

Have you looked at your local healthcare providers recently?

There are plenty of well educated immigrants are coming into the country legally.

Plenty of them in Silicon Valley too.  In those cases the illegal immigration is more a function of violating the terms of a student visas than crossing of the border in violation of the legally established process.

 

We aren't discussing illegals..we're talking about greencard lottery entrants.

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Just now, kent_island_sailor said:

If the CEO class was looking at jail time, we would have good verification in a couple of days :rolleyes:

The program called Real ID has not been succesful.

an employer cant know if an employee is legal

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/slow-quiet-death-real-id

 

this is unfortunate 

 

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9 minutes ago, Lark said:

So should US citizens abroad.    They need to be interrogated on return to see how they have made America great.   If they’re merely looking out for their own interests and didn’t accomplish some tangible greater good, they should be sent back out to try again,    Too many people spend their lives making money and having fun, then expect a reward for it.

I know! I know!  On a postcard!  Imagine the convenience!  

On your trip abroad, did you help MAGA?

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Check one please.

Thank you

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Just now, Shortforbob said:

We aren't discussing illegals..we're talking about greencard lottery entrants.

OK, explain why we need a lottery if there are qualified people from a country eligble for a work visa. 

 

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15 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

The program called Real ID has not been succesful.

an employer cant know if an employee is legal

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/slow-quiet-death-real-id

 

this is unfortunate 

 

you're right, the system is fucked up, but not so much so that if these greedy assholes really had to know, that they couldn't.

but that's why you're full of ka ka, because you basically already know that and you're arguing just to argue. you should go get a reach-around at breitbart.

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13 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

OK, explain why we need a lottery if there are qualified people from a country eligble for a work visa. 

 

you don't need a lottery, but it is one of the few things that makes America "great" In fact it's one of the concepts that makes the USA "American". don't throw away this small gesture of equality for the sake of politics. you may as well tear down the statue of liberty.

You also have to consider anotheraspect of the lottery, you are getting people with skills you havent paid for.

A brain and skills drain of those in those "shitholes" who qualified at the expense of those "shithole" governments and leave for better wages,,taking the other less qualified sort of evens things out.

You wouldn't want to be accused of poaching the skilled from shitholes without any recompense would you?

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48 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

 

 

WTF? Is he denying he said it?

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The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!

 

Do we have to take some dick from the Democrats word that Trump said shithole?

 

Is there any video or audio evidence of Trump calling these countries shitholes?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Mohammed Bin Lyin said:

 

Do we have to take some dick from the Democrats word that Trump said shithole?

 

Is there any video or audio evidence of Trump calling these countries shitholes?

 

 

um..be sure the WH would have denied it if they could:rolleyes:

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11 hours ago, Left Shift said:

Calls an entire continent a "shithole", that's the "acting presidential" we were promised.  Actually, and unfortunately, there are too many people out there, several in the White House, who are very clearly deplorable.  Looks like you want to join that club.  

 

 

Is there any video or audio evidence that trump called these countries shitholes?

If there is no evidence of Trump saying this can we say this controversy originated from some dick who is a DemocRat?

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Trump is right.  Those are shithole countries.  "Shithole" is a perfect description of them.

However, to answer his question, the reason we want immigration from them is because it will allow them to be more productive and provide us with cheap labor.  Win-win.

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2 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

um..be sure the WH would have denied it if they could:rolleyes:

Are you saying there is no evidence being video or audio of Trump calling these countries shitholes?

 

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3 minutes ago, Mohammed Bin Lyin said:

Are you saying there is no evidence being video or audio of Trump calling these countries shitholes?

 

OK mo, have it your way, go tell the UN and just about every country in the world to STFU because you know it's fake news.

:rolleyes:

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31 minutes ago, Mohammed Bin Lyin said:

Are you saying there is no evidence being video or audio of Trump calling these countries shitholes?

 

lol, are you saying it's relevant when the asshole who reportedly said it is a shithole, and the political party he represents is a hybrid of the two?

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4 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Trump vs anyone else and no one believes Trump. You lie a few thousand times and it catches up with you.

The President who cried wolf.

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How many people were in that meeting?

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Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!

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Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!

He was by himself when he said these things..... He only imagined the other people, who are saying things that he was only thinking, but didn't actually say.

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Plan on taking the wife and kids to Haiti for vacation?

 

THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE HAS ASSESSED PORT-AU-PRINCE AS BEING A CRITICAL-THREAT LOCATION FOR POLITICAL VIOLENCE DIRECTED AT OR AFFECTING OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT INTERESTS.

The legislative and presidential elections and their associated security problems (increasing gang-related violent crime, political violence, kidnapping) continued to be a key security concern. A number of small-scale incidents of unrest and political violence tied to Haiti’s scheduled elections occurred in 2016. This unrest was motivated by a variety of political and social movements, ranging from the Haitian political situation, minimum wage concerns, school curriculum, to the presence of UN forces. They share a common trend in that the protestors are quick to barricade streets and regularly stone the windows of passing vehicles.

Civil Unrest

Civil unrest, either motivated by political or socio-economic issues, occurs frequently in downtown Port-au-Prince around the National Palace, the Champ de Mars, and the State University campuses, along with sporadic incidents scattered throughout the city. These protests have been frequent, averaging multiple incidents per week throughout 2016.

Travelers are reminded of the potential for spontaneous protests and public demonstrations. Any demonstration is capable of turning violent, and bystanders/travelers can be caught up in a clash between demonstrators and the HNP, rock throwing, tire burning, or road blocks. Travelers are advised to avoid all demonstrations and be prepared to seek alternate routes should one be encountered.

There were a number of significant politically-motivated attacks in 2016:

  • In June 25, 2016, six men on two motorcycles shot up the downtown and Delmas area of Port-au-Prince, firing indiscriminately at major businesses, including Natcom, Digicel, Marriott, Behrman Motors, Automeca, and Sogebank. The assailants fired rifles and handguns as the motorcycles passed by, dismounting in front of several business. Several hotel rooms occupied by Americans were impacted by rounds during the attack, but no one was injured.
  • On May 17, 2016, dozens of armed men in green military-style uniforms stormed the HNP Commissariat in Les Cayes. The attack resulted in the deaths of two police officers and three other people. An investigation by the HNP charged Senator-elect Guy Philippe with masterminding the attack, along with 16 others. Philippe has been arrested on a U.S. drug warrant and, as of April 2017, was awaiting federal trial in the U.S.
  • Political violence peaked in the weeks before the January 24, 2016, second round of presidential elections. In Port-au-Prince, angry protestors from different political factions clashed, burning cars, destroying storefronts, and looting businesses. As a result, the Electoral Commission indefinitely postponed elections – resulting in new elections in October 2016.


Post-specific Concerns

Environmental Hazards

On October 4, 2016, Haiti was struck by Hurricane Matthew, a Category 4 storm that devastated Haiti’s southwest region. The storm destroyed more than 200,000 homes, leaving 1.4 million people in need of humanitarian aid. Monetary damage was estimated at U.S.$2.8 billion. Nearly complete crop damage occurred in Grand'Anse and Sud departments, leaving the impoverished population without a source of food. Communication networks and the road system were also compromised. An ongoing cholera outbreak worsened after the hurricane, killing at least 29 people.

Due to severe deforestation of the mountains, even modest rains can cause flash flooding and other life threatening hazards.

A 7.0 earthquake struck Haiti near Port-au-Prince on January 12, 2010. Much of the infrastructure of Port-au-Prince was destroyed, and it has taken years for Haiti to recover from the catastrophic damage. Services (health care, basic services) have been greatly reduced but are seemingly making small comebacks in certain sectors.

Personal Identity Concerns

Crimes against persons, including gender-based violence, remain a serious problem.

Drug-related Crimes

Haiti is a major transshipment point for South American narcotics en route to the U.S.; however, the threat of narco-terrorism has not been a major issue.

Kidnapping Threat

There were 36 reported kidnappings in 2016 (43 in 2015). The first and fourth quarters of 2016 saw a spike in the number of kidnappings, likely due to the pending national elections and the struggling economy. The number of kidnappings in general, and kidnappings of U.S. citizens, remains low compared to previous years.

Most kidnappings are criminal. Victims can vary in race, gender, and age, but all who are perceived to have wealth or family with assets (in Haiti or abroad) are vulnerable. U.S. citizens who are kidnapped are usually of Haitian descent. The breakdown in reported kidnapping victims from the last few years is spread fairly evenly among men, women, and children. While most cases were resolved through the payment of ransom, some kidnappings did include physical/sexual assaults. While less frequent, depending on the motive, gang, and/or knowledge of the kidnappers by the victim, a few incidents resulted in the death of the victim. There were no confirmed reports of U.S. citizens being kidnapped in 2016.

Kidnapping of U.S. citizens should be reported to the Haitian National Police and the American Citizens Services (ACS) section of the U.S. Embassy (509.2229.8000). As the lead U.S. law enforcement agency, the Diplomatic Security Service/Regional Security Office plays an active role in all kidnappings of U.S. citizens and coordinates closely with Federal Bureau of Investigation entities.

Police Response

The Haitian National Police (HNP) has about 15,000 officers, approximately two-thirds of whom are deployed in the greater Port-au-Prince metropolitan area (approximately three million residents). As a result, some communities do not have reliable means to report crimes, although experts tend to agree that there is much less crime in the provinces.

The HNP has a limited response capability, which hinders their deterrent effect on criminals, who operate without fear of the uniformed or traffic police. Investigations of crimes are frequently limited by a lack of resources.

Haitians, particularly outside of Port-au-Prince, lack basic policing services, and many residents do not report crimes. Underreporting or inaccurate reporting of crime appears to be an issue, partly due to the de-centralized nature of the HNP commissariats and to the perception that judicial or investigative follow-up is ineffective. Progress in skill-building among the HNP has been noteworthy, and the HNP enjoys the highest level of trust among the general population when compared with other government agencies. However, investigative capacities are overtaxed and remain mostly centralized in Port-au-Prince. The judiciary system has struggled for decades to demonstrate strength and reliability.

How to Handle Incidents of Police Detention or Harassment

In all instances, visitors should be respectful and comply with local police authority. U.S. citizens who feel they are harassed are encouraged to call American Citizen Services (ACS) at the U.S. Embassy (tel: 509.2229.8000). This number is manned 24 hours/day. ACS advises that if you are arrested, request to speak with the U.S. Embassy immediately. If you cannot reach the Embassy, try to contact someone locally who can contact the Embassy on your behalf.

Crime Victim Assistance

If you are the victim of a crime, first get to a safe location and seek medical attention, if needed. You should immediately report the incident to the nearest police station. If it is an emergency and the police are not in the vicinity, police can be contacted at: 114. Then, notify local authorities and the U.S. Embassy (Tel. 509.2229.8000).

The Haitian National Police Information and Operations Center can be contacted at 509-3835-1111. Calling a phone number from a cell phone to a landline can be problematic.

For information about services available to victims of crime, please see the U.S. State Department website. In addition, information about sexual assault crisis hotline information, counseling services, and other services for crime victims is available online. Victims of crimes may be eligible for assistance or compensation from state crime victims assistance programs.

https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=21726

 

Because this place isnt a shithole.....

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1 minute ago, Mrleft8 said:

He was by himself when he said these things..... He only imagined the other people, who are saying things that he was only thinking, but didn't actually say.

yeah..other people are reading his thoughts.

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30 minutes ago, jzk said:

Trump is right.  Those are shithole countries.  "Shithole" is a perfect description of them.

However, to answer his question, the reason we want immigration from them is because it will allow them to be more productive and provide us with cheap labor.  Win-win.

Immigration reform also protects the interest of immigrants who played by the rules and are now working , paying tax, sending thier kids to school ...chasing the dream ,.

when forming immigration policy , the opinion of limosine liberals, social justice warriors, divesity proponents...can be disregarded....marginalized.

first you must ask these first generation immigrants what they think 

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Maybe Trump has a point. I checked the stats and in 2016 the US only got 362 legal immigrants from Norway (who know how many illegals come across the Rio Grande) - perhaps Norwegians don't want to move to what they see as a shithole country. Even worse 1161 North Americans (US and Canada only included) moved to Norway. Likely 90% or more of these are from the US. Guess they are big fans of smoked herring.

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Just now, Bristol-Cruiser said:

Likely 90% or more of these are from the US. 

Cite please

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8 minutes ago, Moderate said:

Plan on taking the wife and kids to Haiti for vacation?

 

THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE HAS ASSESSED PORT-AU-PRINCE AS BEING A CRITICAL-THREAT LOCATION FOR POLITICAL VIOLENCE DIRECTED AT OR AFFECTING OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT INTERESTS.

The legislative and presidential elections and their associated security problems (increasing gang-related violent crime, political violence, kidnapping) continued to be a key security concern. A number of small-scale incidents of unrest and political violence tied to Haiti’s scheduled elections occurred in 2016. This unrest was motivated by a variety of political and social movements, ranging from the Haitian political situation, minimum wage concerns, school curriculum, to the presence of UN forces. They share a common trend in that the protestors are quick to barricade streets and regularly stone the windows of passing vehicles.

Civil Unrest

Civil unrest, either motivated by political or socio-economic issues, occurs frequently in downtown Port-au-Prince around the National Palace, the Champ de Mars, and the State University campuses, along with sporadic incidents scattered throughout the city. These protests have been frequent, averaging multiple incidents per week throughout 2016.

Travelers are reminded of the potential for spontaneous protests and public demonstrations. Any demonstration is capable of turning violent, and bystanders/travelers can be caught up in a clash between demonstrators and the HNP, rock throwing, tire burning, or road blocks. Travelers are advised to avoid all demonstrations and be prepared to seek alternate routes should one be encountered.

There were a number of significant politically-motivated attacks in 2016:

  • In June 25, 2016, six men on two motorcycles shot up the downtown and Delmas area of Port-au-Prince, firing indiscriminately at major businesses, including Natcom, Digicel, Marriott, Behrman Motors, Automeca, and Sogebank. The assailants fired rifles and handguns as the motorcycles passed by, dismounting in front of several business. Several hotel rooms occupied by Americans were impacted by rounds during the attack, but no one was injured.
  • On May 17, 2016, dozens of armed men in green military-style uniforms stormed the HNP Commissariat in Les Cayes. The attack resulted in the deaths of two police officers and three other people. An investigation by the HNP charged Senator-elect Guy Philippe with masterminding the attack, along with 16 others. Philippe has been arrested on a U.S. drug warrant and, as of April 2017, was awaiting federal trial in the U.S.
  • Political violence peaked in the weeks before the January 24, 2016, second round of presidential elections. In Port-au-Prince, angry protestors from different political factions clashed, burning cars, destroying storefronts, and looting businesses. As a result, the Electoral Commission indefinitely postponed elections – resulting in new elections in October 2016.


Post-specific Concerns

Environmental Hazards

On October 4, 2016, Haiti was struck by Hurricane Matthew, a Category 4 storm that devastated Haiti’s southwest region. The storm destroyed more than 200,000 homes, leaving 1.4 million people in need of humanitarian aid. Monetary damage was estimated at U.S.$2.8 billion. Nearly complete crop damage occurred in Grand'Anse and Sud departments, leaving the impoverished population without a source of food. Communication networks and the road system were also compromised. An ongoing cholera outbreak worsened after the hurricane, killing at least 29 people.

Due to severe deforestation of the mountains, even modest rains can cause flash flooding and other life threatening hazards.

A 7.0 earthquake struck Haiti near Port-au-Prince on January 12, 2010. Much of the infrastructure of Port-au-Prince was destroyed, and it has taken years for Haiti to recover from the catastrophic damage. Services (health care, basic services) have been greatly reduced but are seemingly making small comebacks in certain sectors.

Personal Identity Concerns

Crimes against persons, including gender-based violence, remain a serious problem.

Drug-related Crimes

Haiti is a major transshipment point for South American narcotics en route to the U.S.; however, the threat of narco-terrorism has not been a major issue.

Kidnapping Threat

There were 36 reported kidnappings in 2016 (43 in 2015). The first and fourth quarters of 2016 saw a spike in the number of kidnappings, likely due to the pending national elections and the struggling economy. The number of kidnappings in general, and kidnappings of U.S. citizens, remains low compared to previous years.

Most kidnappings are criminal. Victims can vary in race, gender, and age, but all who are perceived to have wealth or family with assets (in Haiti or abroad) are vulnerable. U.S. citizens who are kidnapped are usually of Haitian descent. The breakdown in reported kidnapping victims from the last few years is spread fairly evenly among men, women, and children. While most cases were resolved through the payment of ransom, some kidnappings did include physical/sexual assaults. While less frequent, depending on the motive, gang, and/or knowledge of the kidnappers by the victim, a few incidents resulted in the death of the victim. There were no confirmed reports of U.S. citizens being kidnapped in 2016.

Kidnapping of U.S. citizens should be reported to the Haitian National Police and the American Citizens Services (ACS) section of the U.S. Embassy (509.2229.8000). As the lead U.S. law enforcement agency, the Diplomatic Security Service/Regional Security Office plays an active role in all kidnappings of U.S. citizens and coordinates closely with Federal Bureau of Investigation entities.

Police Response

The Haitian National Police (HNP) has about 15,000 officers, approximately two-thirds of whom are deployed in the greater Port-au-Prince metropolitan area (approximately three million residents). As a result, some communities do not have reliable means to report crimes, although experts tend to agree that there is much less crime in the provinces.

The HNP has a limited response capability, which hinders their deterrent effect on criminals, who operate without fear of the uniformed or traffic police. Investigations of crimes are frequently limited by a lack of resources.

Haitians, particularly outside of Port-au-Prince, lack basic policing services, and many residents do not report crimes. Underreporting or inaccurate reporting of crime appears to be an issue, partly due to the de-centralized nature of the HNP commissariats and to the perception that judicial or investigative follow-up is ineffective. Progress in skill-building among the HNP has been noteworthy, and the HNP enjoys the highest level of trust among the general population when compared with other government agencies. However, investigative capacities are overtaxed and remain mostly centralized in Port-au-Prince. The judiciary system has struggled for decades to demonstrate strength and reliability.

How to Handle Incidents of Police Detention or Harassment

In all instances, visitors should be respectful and comply with local police authority. U.S. citizens who feel they are harassed are encouraged to call American Citizen Services (ACS) at the U.S. Embassy (tel: 509.2229.8000). This number is manned 24 hours/day. ACS advises that if you are arrested, request to speak with the U.S. Embassy immediately. If you cannot reach the Embassy, try to contact someone locally who can contact the Embassy on your behalf.

Crime Victim Assistance

If you are the victim of a crime, first get to a safe location and seek medical attention, if needed. You should immediately report the incident to the nearest police station. If it is an emergency and the police are not in the vicinity, police can be contacted at: 114. Then, notify local authorities and the U.S. Embassy (Tel. 509.2229.8000).

The Haitian National Police Information and Operations Center can be contacted at 509-3835-1111. Calling a phone number from a cell phone to a landline can be problematic.

For information about services available to victims of crime, please see the U.S. State Department website. In addition, information about sexual assault crisis hotline information, counseling services, and other services for crime victims is available online. Victims of crimes may be eligible for assistance or compensation from state crime victims assistance programs.

https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=21726

 

Because this place isnt a shithole.....

Trump said that he did not say anything bad about Haiti. The shithole countries are in Africa and Trump is smart, he knows that Haiti is not in Africa, it is next door to Nambia.

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36 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

lol, are you saying it's relevant when the asshole who reportedly said it is a shithole, and the political party he represents is a hybrid of the two?

But these countries are shitholes. 

Been to El Salvador lately?

The Democrats say its a shithole

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42615745

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4 minutes ago, Moderate said:

Cite please

Based on the relative populations of the US and Canada and the likely desire of significant numbers of Americans to live in a civilized country.

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7 minutes ago, Moderate said:

But these countries are shitholes. 

Been to El Salvador lately?

probably beats the shit out of this giant soulless, automobile infested strip mall.

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8 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Immigration reform also protects the interest of immigrants who played by the rules and are now working , paying tax, sending thier kids to school ...chasing the dream ,.

when forming immigration policy , the opinion of limosine liberals, social justice warriors, divesity proponents...can be disregarded....marginalized.

first you must ask these first generation immigrants what they think 

OK pizza face.  My mother came from Italy to the US in 1945.  That makes me a first generation native born citizen.  My mother had her education interrupted by WWII.  She had no special skills when she arrived in the US, she spoke very little English.  After working for a brief time as a waitress, she started a family and produced and raised 3 children that went on to become responsible productive adults.  In days past, America was beacon of hope and freedom to people from all different countries.  My mother was mostly welcomed in the country even though she was 20 years old with an incomplete higher education.   

As a first generation offspring of an immigrant parent, I have no animosity or ill will toward any immigrants.  I heartily welcom all of them.  Had the current ideas on immigration been in place when my mother arrived here, they would have deprived the country of 3 individuals that went on to become productive members of American society, one of which spent 8 years serving the country in the Army.  What I have a problem with are smug assholes that also have ancestors that were immigrants (which is most of the US population), many of whom had very little education or training, having made a good life and now feel it is their right to deny this opportunity to others.  If anybody should be disregarded and marginalized, and thankfully, mostly they are, it is the Right wing, racist, dickhead, nationalists.  Fuck you and your elk, fuck you hard.  Asshole.

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1 hour ago, Shortforbob said:

 

 

WTF? Is he denying he said it?

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The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!

Of course he denies it.  In his mind, whatever makes him look best is the truth and, therefore, this is all fake news.

The Faithful accept his statement without question.

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53 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

Trump vs anyone else and no one believes Trump. You lie a few thousand times and it catches up with you.

Wolff! Wolff!

 

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

Of course he denies it.  In his mind, whatever makes him look best is the truth and, therefore, this is all fake news.

The Faithful accept his statement without question.

There were other Republicunts in the room.  Why haven't they come out denying it?  Hmmmmmm?

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6 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

There were other Republicunts in the room.  Why haven't they come out denying it?  Hmmmmmm?

No one wants to be the first.  Once one sacks up, the others will follow.  

Find out who else was in the room and ask them, publicly, to confirm or deny the report.

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29 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

probably beats the shit out of this giant soulless, automobile infested strip mall.

So youve never been there.

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1 hour ago, Mohammed Bin Lyin said:

 

Do we have to take some dick from the Democrats word that Trump said shithole?

 

Is there any video or audio evidence of Trump calling these countries shitholes?

 

 

A good starting place in deciding would be to consider whether Trump or the other guy has a better reputation for honesty. I rest my case, your honour. BTW, if the Republicans present in the room had any cojones they would be talking and either supporting Trump and denying these words were said or saying that he did say the things reported. The fact that they are silent tells the whole story.

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"Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), one of the lawmakers who attended the meeting, said publicly in comments to reporters Friday in an interview aired on MSNBC that Trump’s denial was false. The president, according to Durbin, “said things that were hate-filled, vile and racist.”

“I cannot believe that in the history of the White House, in that Oval Office, any president has ever spoken the words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday,” Durbin said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-acknowledges-tough-language-but-appears-to-deny-shithole-remark/2018/01/12/c7131dae-f796-11e7-beb6-c8d48830c54d_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpdaca-817am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ba6589883282

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1 minute ago, 3to1 said:

fuk your cuntry

And fuck yours too. Looks like NAFTAs on the table. 

Jjjjjj

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9 minutes ago, Moderate said:

And fuck yours too. Looks like NAFTAs on the table. 

Jjjjjj

you're an asinine shitcunt, and that's verifiable. you're my enemy, yet we have the same skin color and live in the same cuntry.

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If Trump were a student of history, he wouldn't be talking about taping. Nixon paid a good price for his anti-semitism as did Billy Graham.

Even though the Trump White House did not deny that President Donald Trump called Haiti and assorted African countries “sh*tholes” on Thursday, Trump on Friday morning furiously denying he had ever said any such thing. 

-snip- 

Even though Trump claims to have a “wonderful relationship” with Haitians, the president on Thursday similarly said he had a good relationship with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, a man whom Trump has repeatedly threatened with nuclear annihilation. 
 

 

Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!

 

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"The Washington Post reporter who broke the story Thursday that President Trump referred to Haiti and several African nations as "shithole countries" during an Oval Office meeting with lawmakers says he stands by the story in the wake of Trump's denials. 

Josh Dawsey told CNN that the fact that the White House did not deny the story overnight until Trump's tweet this morning was proof enough that the quote was real. "In the course of our reporting yesterday we took the comments we were going to report directly to the White House, told them exactly what we were going to say. We did not get a denial," Dawsey told CNN. 

"Obviously, [White House spokesman Raj Shah's] statement did not deny. We got it confirmed from multiple places, The New York Times, The Associated Press, CNN have confirmed it as well," he added. 

"This comes 15 hours later," the reporter continued. "So the president obviously has the right to express his opinion on the story, as he has on Twitter, but we stand by our reporting 100 percent."

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/368684-reporter-who-broke-s-hole-story-we-stand-by-our-reporting-100-percent

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2 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Yep, legal ones per the law of the time.

Laws that are contrary to The Constitution are not legal. As per The Supreme Court, they are inoperable, as if they have never been written.

Slavery was never legal in the USA, it gave the illusion of legality and was tolerated by a us due to our inability to think as rational human beings.

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12 minutes ago, Moderate said:

And fuck yours too. Looks like NAFTAs on the table. 

Jjjjjj

Ah....NAFTA needs work ....times have changed, time for new rules

trump has a lot on the table...it might we wise to slow down a bit , regroup.

conservatives will hold power for a long time ....that means .plenty of time left to fix things and deliver knockout punches 

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15 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

"Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), one of the lawmakers who attended the meeting, said publicly in comments to reporters Friday in an interview aired on MSNBC that Trump’s denial was false. The president, according to Durbin, “said things that were hate-filled, vile and racist.”

“I cannot believe that in the history of the White House, in that Oval Office, any president has ever spoken the words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday,” Durbin said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-acknowledges-tough-language-but-appears-to-deny-shithole-remark/2018/01/12/c7131dae-f796-11e7-beb6-c8d48830c54d_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpdaca-817am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ba6589883282

I am sure plenty of presidents have said worse in private, but shit-fer-brains is too dumb to not make enemies who want to make sure he gets caught AND his policies reflect his musings. LBJ in private was, from all accounts, a racist asshole, but in his public life he did all kinds of civil rights work.

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2 minutes ago, kent_island_sailor said:

I am sure plenty of presidents have said worse in private, but shit-fer-brains is too dumb to not make enemies who want to make sure he gets caught AND his policies reflect his musings. LBJ in private was, from all accounts, a racist asshole, but in his public life he did all kinds of civil rights work.

When you make comments to a reporter and then that reporter goes back and says to the press secretary and says this is what we are going to report, and they don't deny it, you have pretty much fucked yourself and it doesn't have a thing to do with enemies, since you are your own worst enemy by miles.

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9 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

Ah....NATFTA needs work ....times have changed, time for new rules

trump has a lot on the table...it might we wise to slow down a bit , regroup.

conservative will hold power for a long time ....that means .plenty of time left to fix things and deliver knockout punches 

you'll be disappointed, and not only that but once again you'll find yourself on the wrong side of history if you're still stealing oxygen in a decade.

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1. POTUS says something really stupid/vulgar/outrageous/unpresidented

2. POTUS denies it

3. Supporters defend and deflect.

4. Rinse/Repeat

5. It never ends.   (well until the midterms when the tide shifts like a tsunami)

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Trump has not denied it.  He denied saying "take them out".  I don't even think anyone is saying he said that.  Many people are saying it.  Believe me.

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51 minutes ago, Moderate said:

So youve never been there.

I have dickwad.....each time we go to our vacation property  in another shithole , Honduras.  When we visit we fly into San Salvador and get a room on the beach in Libertad for the evening so the taxi to the airport is quick and easy the next day...We've been doing this for about 8 years now...are there places I will not go...absolutely....just like there are places in Detroit, Oakland, Maima and NYC (Where I;'m from) that are just as bad ...to paint the nation, the area and all who live there  a "Shithole" is fucking pathetic....is the Govt. corrupt...yes (so is ours to a degree),  are there bad people there...you betcha...just like there are here....did the US cause many Central American countries problems...hell Yes.  I was mugged in El Salvador (took my wallet)...how many people get mugged in big cities in all parts of the US daily?

 

(it's nice to swim in the Pacific AND Atlantic on the same day)

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Breaking: US ambassador to Panama resigns on principle, can no longer serve Trump administration

Source: Reuters via Sky News

Reuters: U.S. ambassador to Panama has written a letter to the State Department announcing his resignation saying he resigns on principle and can no longer serve the Trump administration 

U.S. State Department has confirmed the departure of the country's ambassador to Panama saying he has decided to "retire for personal reasons" as of 9 March"
 

Reuters: U.S. ambassador to Panama has written a letter to the State Department announcing his resignation saying he resigns on principle and can no longer serve the Trump administration

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This is a very illuminating thread. 

All the racists have outed themselves here.  Some I expected, Zitski was a surprise. 

Who cares about the language, he basically said that if you live in a poor country, you're a bad person, and not welcome here. 

I guess that aligns with the Republican dogma; 'poor people are lazy, dumb leeches.'

 

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Given Trump's difficulties achieving meaningful "immigration reform" through executive action last year, we are seeing stark evidence of maladministration. Our president's frequent disparaging comments regarding Muslims has led to a number of judicial decisions limiting our chief executive's ability to formulate and enact policy necessary to the proper functioning of our government.

Trump's public statements on the campaign trail, on Twitter and during conversations with public figures evince racism and a desire to engage in religious & ethnic persecution. These are contrary to attitudes and basic tenets of American jurisprudence and Constitutional history which enshrine the rights of US citizens to equal treatment under the law. These continued series of statements have made our president an ineffectual leader, one whose mental state, racism and religious bias prevents effective management of our country.

Articles of Impeachment should be brought against him for consistently misapplying his personal biases to public policy effort, misinterpreting the Constitution, and not understanding the limits on the executive. His is guilty of maladministration and therefore unfit for high office.

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4 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

Given Trump's difficulties achieving meaningful "immigration reform" through executive action last year, we are seeing stark evidence of maladministration. Our president's frequent disparaging comments regarding Muslims has led to a number of judicial decisions limiting our chief executive's ability to formulate and enact policy necessary to the proper functioning of our government.

Trump's public statements on the campaign trail, on Twitter and during conversations with public figures evince racism and a desire to engage in religious persecution. These are contrary to attitudes and basic tenets of American jurisprudence and Constitutional history which enshrine the rights of US citizens. These continued series of statements have made our president an ineffectual leader, one whose mental state, racism and religious bias prevents effective management of our country.

Articles of Impeachment should be brought against him for consistently misapplying his personal biases to public policy effort, misinterpreting the Constitution, and not understanding the limits on the executive. His is guilty of maladministration and therefore unfit for high office.

The problem that conservatives face with immigration reform is their racism is the driving force behind their policies.  They simply don't want non-whites coming to America.  Especially if they aren't Christians.  Trump isn't bright enough to hide it and makes it impossible for conservatives to make policy that passes the shithole test.

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11 minutes ago, Kirwan said:

This is a very illuminating thread. 

All the racists have outed themselves here.  Some I expected, Zitski was a surprise. 

Who cares about the language, he basically said that if you live in a poor country, you're a bad person, and not welcome here. 

I guess that aligns with the Republican dogma; 'poor people are lazy, dumb leeches.'

 

See? Race has nothing to do with it!

The only function of poor people is to provide easily replaceable cheap labor and equally cheap animated sex toys. Both functions are being replaced by robots, in fact I heard the Russians are working on a sex robot that can digest asparagus..................   :blink:

-DSK

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4 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

you don't need a lottery, but it is one of the few things that makes America "great" In fact it's one of the concepts that makes the USA "American". don't throw away this small gesture of equality for the sake of politics. you may as well tear down the statue of liberty.

 

I've converted back to Republicanism for a day so I can tell you "You are right for the wrong reasons.". 

The old metal lawn ornament has a couple hundred thousand dollars of copper, plus some iron.   Scrapping it is not likely to be self financing.  That;s OK.

Ellis Island and Liberty Island are prime real estate being wasted under government mismanagement.   We are looking at over 41 acres of desirable Manhattan real estate generating no revenue, at over 55 million dollars an acre.   The two and a quarter billion dollars of land any New York developer would love to save from the peoples' slothful habits.   

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