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Virtual Mizzen. 

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Was trying to figure out how to set a deeper Mizzen staysail/spinnaker for VMG running that would not conflict with the backstay on my yawl. 

Looked but could not find a rule: prohibiting flying a sail with the head from a strop midway on the Backstay, (hauled up by halyard on Main, opposed by a downhaul) or hauled to a low friction ring seized on there. tacked to weather of the main boom and sheeted to stern. 

Effect would be to create a Virtual Mizzen. 

Is there a rule? 

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Don't know if there is a rule today, but as I recall there were a couple of sloops rigged this way in the CCA days. Yawls were popular because of rating advantages, and that gave you a yawl without the bother of a mast. 

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Rule 54 only states that headsails must be tacked on centerline. PHRFne doesn't address a sail configuration like this, don't know about other areas. So I suppose as long as you're declaring the sail on your cert then nothing is to stop you.

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I'll give it a whirl in one of the next beercan's, just for the heck of it.

Have an old "working Genoa" from 1962 that's miter cut, low hoist that should be ideal to set between Main and Mizzen staysail.

The Asym Chute is probably too large on hoist, but would be worth it for the WTF factor. ("I" = 42, PY= 20

  1. Genoa
  2. Main
  3. Flying  staysail <--- This one.. 
  4. Mizzen Staysail
  5. Mizzen 

RRS 2017: SETTING AND SHEETING SAILS

50.1 Changing Sails When headsails or spinnakers are being changed, a replacing sail may be fully set and trimmed before the replaced sail is lowered. However, only one mainsail and, except when changing, only one spinnaker shall be carried set at a time.

50.2 Spinnaker Poles; Whisker Poles Only one spinnaker pole or whisker pole shall be used at a time except when gybing. When in use, it shall be attached to the foremost mast.

50.3 Use of Outriggers

(a) No sail shall be sheeted over or through an outrigger, except as permitted in rule 50.3(b) or 50.3(c). An outrigger is any fitting or other device so placed that it could exert outward pressure on a sheet or sail at a point from which, with the boat upright, a vertical line would fall outside the hull or deck. For the purpose of this rule, bulwarks, rails and rubbing strakes are not part of the hull or deck and the following are not outriggers: a bowsprit used to secure the tack of a sail, a bumkin used to sheet the boom of a sail, or a boom of a boomed headsail that requires no adjustment when tacking.

(b) Any sail may be sheeted to or led above a boom that is regularly used for a sail and is permanently attached to the mast from which the head of the sail is set.

(c) A headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker pole or whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not set

50.4 Headsails For the purposes of rules 50 and 54 and Appendix G, the difference between a headsail and a spinnaker is that the width of a headsail, measured between the midpoints of its luff and leech, is less than 75% of the length of its foot. A sail tacked down behind the foremost mast is not a headsail.

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If you have the head halfway along the backstay then you may want to think about load directions and stay deflections. Mightn’t be an issue with the main halyard as your load path, but a point loaded friction ring might be a different matter.

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