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8mt Grainger Racing Trimaran For Sale

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Grainger Racing Trimaran for sale. Yes - I have purchased an add. Price by negotiation / offers considered. Please PM me for a copy of the full specification / inventory and photos. Boat is located in Brisbane Australia.

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great looking beast - not exactly the most friendly to get around the countryside though.

If it was foldable/trailerable I would have some serious interest/drool factor

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Matty, don't sell!!! She is finally going fast and plenty of big events coming up.

 

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Fellas - the boat is socketed. Its on its dual axle road trailer in one of the photos and has the ability to be demounted / towed. 

The centre hull is 8mt and amas 9.2mt.

Mast cants electrically 15 degrees. Operated by 2 x foot switches on the cockpit floor.

Stb cabin top winch is 2 speed electric and traveller is electric. Both controlled by wireless remotes the crew carry.

Anyone half serious I can email high res photos and a full spec breakdown. 

Cheers

Matt

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Cool, thanks for that. 

Removal of the cockpit coamings and the extended floats give it quite a different look.

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On 05/02/2018 at 9:38 AM, plywoodboy said:

Matty, don't sell!!! She is finally going fast and plenty of big events coming up.

 

It's breaking my heart to see something that's been worked so hard on be sold :'(

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9 minutes ago, Trevor B said:

What’s the sailing weight without crew?

 

1285KG with all sails (Main / 2 jibs / 3 x furling gennakers) ready to race. 

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Just now, PIL007 said:

I absolutely will if you go me halves........

It's only slightly more expensive than the Paper Tiger I've been eyeballing....

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34 minutes ago, PIL007 said:

I absolutely will if you go me halves........

if you were down in Syd you just may have a taker...

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 Got the original floats to put back on it? Fond memories of sailing an ol’ 075 Mk II. 

Dear old 075-butchered and molested.

Just kidding, it looks amazing and goes unreal apparently. Good on ya for building it, you crazy mf’er. Cool thingo.

Btw, which 075 was TIME MACHINE originally?  

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8 hours ago, PIL007 said:

I am..... Cronulla

On your doorstep Chidz, get the moths out of your wallet!

 

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geez, I've put my head in the noose here ... but a pretty nice noose if I may say so ..

Pil - we may need to have a conversation if I can offload the Sprint soon

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25 minutes ago, Chidz said:

geez, I've put my head in the noose here ... but a pretty nice noose if I may say so ..

Pil - we may need to have a conversation if I can offload the Sprint soon

We need to talk indeed

This is on the radar as well

https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sailing-trimaran/custom-10-6-racing-trimaran/202866

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1 minute ago, ASP said:

Dragon sold and is now in the PNW of north america. 

$90,000 NZD seemed a bargain

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1 hour ago, Chidz said:

geez, I've put my head in the noose here ... but a pretty nice noose if I may say so ..

Pil - we may need to have a conversation if I can offload the Sprint soon

Eat Entree Last?

Easy plan Chidz, buy her and do Bay to Bay in a few weeks, then sail her home to cockroach waters in a few hours. 

Her replacement value of recent bits alone is double that.

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13 hours ago, LionIsland said:

 Got the original floats to put back on it? Fond memories of sailing an ol’ 075 Mk II. 

Dear old 075-butchered and molested.

Just kidding, it looks amazing and goes unreal apparently. Good on ya for building it, you crazy mf’er. Cool thingo.

Btw, which 075 was TIME MACHINE originally?  

All in above link to TG webpage, never was on water as a standard 075 but was highly modified along the way.

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1 minute ago, plywoodboy said:

All in above link to TG webpage, never was on water as a standard 075 but was highly modified along the way.

I see. Cool. NZ tri looks wicked, Cuzzy Bro’. 

Getting it  here could be an interesting sail. 

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29 minutes ago, LionIsland said:

I see. Cool. NZ tri looks wicked, Cuzzy Bro’. 

Getting it  here could be an interesting sail. 

But do able

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Fellas - in the next two weeks I will be de-mounting the boat and packing it up on the trailer. Will tow it to the shed for use when I have a bit more spare time later if not sold. 

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Hi Trevor - Photos attached (hopefully).

There are hatch covers that go over the 2 x sections in the front V - berth. Under the aft hatch there is a spot custom made for a porta loo toilet. (we dont use it / carry one). There is also a brand new (never used) upholstered foam mattress that fits in the V-berth. This boat has a double ring frame (as can be seen in the photo) and a carbon mast compression post. Pretty much all other Tri's have the CB case running through this section which does not do much for open plan living.

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For the consideration of PIL007 and Chidz:

I'd be interested in joining 2 others to buy Time Machine. Being Sydney based and having grandchildren in Cronulla it would be easy enough to find excuses to do some racing there, and I'm a bit sick of hauling my aged Corsair 24 to places like Hervey Bay, Gippsland Lakes and so on  to trail around at the tail of the fleet.  Would be nice to keep going to places like Wangi though. email me on rivettgp(at) gmail (dot) com if interested. My sailing mate Goldfinger bought share in Dux Nutts and he hauls it around, so might be good to see a couple of old Grainger tris at a few events, but nothing more challenging than Cat 5. 

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On 4/6/2018 at 11:07 AM, plywoodboy said:

Eat Entree Last?

Easy plan Chidz, buy her and do Bay to Bay in a few weeks, then sail her home to cockroach waters in a few hours. 

Her replacement value of recent bits alone is double that.

nice idea - slight tech detail - need available $$ first

not all of us are rich yacht brokers :-P

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20 hours ago, offtherails said:

For the consideration of PIL007 and Chidz:

I'd be interested in joining 2 others to buy Time Machine. ..... email me on rivettgp(at) gmail (dot) com if interested.....

sounds like we do need to have a discussion ... biggest issue is you guys putting up with me on a boat - you have been warned (bhahaha)

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If anyone has tried to email me without reply - it is because the email address on my profile is out of date.

Has now been updated - please re-send any messages.

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Id Love to know more about the canting mast and if we can apply that to our farrier 8.5 'String Theory' ex hurts like heaven 

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Just love all the rope clean up systems and such a cool boat . Rates 1.026 (fast) 

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On 2/4/2018 at 12:03 PM, MATTVB said:

Yes - I have purchased an add.

then you shall have both a bump and a like :)

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You couldn't post a pic of the rudder and gudgeon detail could you, that set up looks awesome and Im at about that stage with a build project and filtering a few ideas . 

Like they say "plagiarism is copying from one source - research is copying from many sources"

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2 hours ago, ASP said:

still for sale?

Yes - not actively being advertised but for sale if someone is interested.

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This boat is very cheap for what it is.... big dollar build ... i would own it if not for logistics where i live

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How long/how many people does it take to put it on the trailer?

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I have never really needed to demount the boat very often. The last time we did it we had two guys on each end of the Ama and one guy holding the beam steady when it slotted in or out of the main hull. The ama and beams weigh 200kg. With a few systems you could do it manually with a couple of people in not much time at all. This time I did it on my own using a crane. The crane pulled the mast off and supported the amas whilst they were de socketed. The crane was on site for an hour and a half. Pretty quick really. Like anything the more you do it the better you get. Once the crane put the mast on the ground - it took about 20 minutes to un-pin the single diamond rod and take the single spreaders off. The mast is two piece and joins at the spreader junction. A beautiful system by Marstrom. Then two guys easily carry the mast around and its no longer than the boat which is great for travelling.

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Jeeze, I might have to hit you up for a test sail! : )

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On 2/3/2018 at 6:31 PM, MATTVB said:

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Interesting leach in that jib. Are you getting uniform twist w/that design?  I like the out of box thinking.

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Yeah it works really well. We did a fair amount of work with Norths to get it right. There is a full length batten (soft) above and below the scollop in the leech to handle any compression in the sail. Based on our experience with this sail, I would be more than confident to now do a 3DI version for the next jib.

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On 2/4/2018 at 12:28 PM, MATTVB said:

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Righto guys - the time has come to move this weapon on. All reasonable offers considered. Email direct to: matt@vonact.com.au

Full high res photo file and build spec / inventory available on request. 

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I took an afternoon last month to see this boat while in Oz. Matt is a very knowledgeable owner, and the boat is fantastic!

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I also seriously considered it - both Matt and his boat are amazing!

Unfortunately logistics of transporting to the PNW led to a more local choice.

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What do we think of this "longer than main hull" ama concept? I realize that these were added AFTER the boat was initially built... But it seems to work and be rather fast here!

I would jump all over this if I was looking for a tri of this size.

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2 hours ago, Floating Duck said:

What do we think of this "longer than main hull" ama concept? I realize that these were added AFTER the boat was initially built... But it seems to work and be rather fast here!

I would jump all over this if I was looking for a tri of this size.

Unless you are “planing” or foiling, your ultimate speed, pitching and general seaworthiness is governed by waterline length. So the closer you get to flying two hulls, the more you want longer amas because increasingly a multihull’s overall displacement is being carried by the leeward one.

More that one pundit on SA has foreseen future trimarans and catamarans merging to a point where the amas are as long as they can be, and the central hull/pod is as small as it can be..In light weather, you want minimum hull contact with water which also fits in with this philosophy....  Rating  systems limit this by rating the longer hull. In the old days, MOCRA and I think Texel used to average out the central and leeward hull. I haven’t checked recently.

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15 hours ago, Sidecar said:

Unless you are “planing” or foiling, your ultimate speed, pitching and general seaworthiness is governed by waterline length. So the closer you get to flying two hulls, the more you want longer amas because increasingly a multihull’s overall displacement is being carried by the leeward one.

More that one pundit on SA has foreseen future trimarans and catamarans merging to a point where the amas are as long as they can be, and the central hull/pod is as small as it can be..In light weather, you want minimum hull contact with water which also fits in with this philosophy....  Rating  systems limit this by rating the longer hull. In the old days, MOCRA and I think Texel used to average out the central and leeward hull. I haven’t checked recently.

Further to this, at the time the bow extensions were added, the OMR rule effectively measured the waterline length, not the overall length. The extensions would have been "free" under the rule.  Unfortunately, the rule makers realised this issue before the mods were finished and updated the rule. 

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OMR still and has always used rated length (RL) which is LOA minus (Forward plus Aft Overhang Components).

However OMR Hull reg 5.7 is new since last I looked and seems to say that if the ama LOA is longer than the central hull LOA, ama LOA is to be used, without FOC and AOC adjustment.

I see that MOCRA 13.0 has now also changed to cater for tris like this one, see also diagrams page 5.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxtb2NyYXJhdGluZ3xneDo2YTFmMGY0ODk4ZWYxZDM2

 

 

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i too seriously considered Time Machine, nice boat

.. but over 'ere RORC have a minimum length for Fastnet Race and RORC races of 30ft... so went for a Searcart

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Interesting...

Time Machine on OMR has an LOA of 9.10, a rated length of 9.03 and a TCF of 1.026 and weighs 1285 kg.(Add 0.04m?)

Morticia (Seacart 30) is 9.14, 9.06 and 1.050 respectively and weighs 1241 kg.

The Seacart is a proven offshore performer.

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1 hour ago, Sidecar said:

The Seacart is a proven offshore performer.

And also... A liiiiiiitle more cash than time machine

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On 1/9/2020 at 10:35 AM, SSolo said:

i too seriously considered Time Machine, nice boat

.. but over 'ere RORC have a minimum length for Fastnet Race and RORC races of 30ft... so went for a Searcart

you could have extended the amas by 2"...

but I maybe too late now

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7 minutes ago, KC375 said:

you could have extended the amas by 2"...

I believe that minimum length for these type of offshore races is described as "length on deck" - right?

I don't think they would consider the amas to be the measurement point, just as they don't care about the bowsprit (which definitely puts it at over 30')

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Which is a shame really... As these boats  mostly sail on the ama in any kind of weather. I e. the waves see the boat as being however long the amas are. 

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1 minute ago, Floating Duck said:

I believe that minimum length for these type of offshore races is described as "length on deck" - right?

I don't think they would consider the amas to be the measurement point, just as they don't care about the bowsprit (which definitely puts it at over 30')

I'm sure if it was trivial SSolo would have considered it so my comment was not really intended to be an informed observation. I'm sure there would be some substantive measuring issues as you suggest. I was simply going of the " Time Machine on OMR has an LOA of 9.10 "

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It really isn't an offshore boat... Sure it can do some coastal stuff but .....

It is aimed  at Moreton Bay , Hamilton Island, Airlie Beach, Wangi, Port Phillip Bay... so protected waters

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4 hours ago, PIL66 - XL2 said:

It really isn't an offshore boat... Sure it can do some coastal stuff but .....

It is aimed  at Moreton Bay , Hamilton Island, Airlie Beach, Wangi, Port Phillip Bay... so protected waters

My vote only.

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