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The odds have certainly narrowed for Comanche and Ichi Ban. 

Comanche - Opened at $2.50 now at $1.85 Line Honours

Ichi Ban - Opened at $4.50 now at $2.85 Handicap

Teasing Machine narrowed to $4.75

Privateer - Out from $10.00 to $14.00

https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/sailing/sydney-to-hobart/Sydney-to-Hobart-2018-4408639

 

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7 hours ago, PIL66 said:

Seams they are prepared to spend but time is running out...99% of the training was done on the Davidson Aftershock so not ideal. Training is done by Aussies (SM and MF) through an interpreter which again is not ideal... The practice runs on the boat have been few and hampered by breakages.

I applaud the effort but won't be putting my hard earned on them... 

We are taking rum jug bets on irc. 

But you'd have to be in the race.

Guess there won't be too many here that are actually sailing in the race.

 

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18 hours ago, mad said:

Damaged ego after that mark rounding?:)

Ha! I watched it live, and the commentators had fun with that f***up.

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43 minutes ago, Feilberg said:

We are taking rum jug bets on irc. 

But you'd have to be in the race.

Guess there won't be too many here that are actually sailing in the race.

 

Haha snap!

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2 hours ago, Feilberg said:

We are taking rum jug bets on irc. 

But you'd have to be in the race.

Guess there won't be too many here that are actually sailing in the race.

 

You do know now that is against the World Sailing rules to bet on races you are apart of.  Stupid rule I know, but it is a rule.

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9 minutes ago, trt131 said:

You do know now that is against the World Sailing rules to bet on races you are apart of.  Stupid rule I know, but it is a rule.

Yes. Rules rules rules. I'd love to see that enforced over a jug of rum

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I’d be significantly more worried about what the other crew would do to you if you cost them a trophy. 

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2 hours ago, Feilberg said:

We are taking rum jug bets on irc. 

But you'd have to be in the race.

Guess there won't be too many here that are actually sailing in the race.

 

I'd sign up - but I suspect you may not wait around long enough :)

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Looks like no Sailorgirl coverage of the start

From her Facebook 

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Not allowed to do the start due to channel 7 restrictions, but I am doing my own coverage, as well as working with ABC Grandstand, the Cruising Yacht Club Of Australia, North Sails and a few other projects 

At least it wil be streamed on the CYCA site and SG will appear on their stream

 

http://rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2018/pre-race/rolex-sydney-hobart-yacht-race-covered-from-all-angles/

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7 hours ago, hoppy said:

Looks like no Sailorgirl coverage of the start

From her Facebook 

At least it wil be streamed on the CYCA site and SG will appear on their stream

 

http://rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2018/pre-race/rolex-sydney-hobart-yacht-race-covered-from-all-angles/

She should do a Roy and HG style voice over coverage.

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16 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

She should do a Roy and HG style voice over coverage.

Correction: Roy and HG should a voice over coverage! 

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13 hours ago, terrafirma said:

The odds have certainly narrowed for Comanche and Ichi Ban. 

Comanche - Opened at $2.50 now at $1.85 Line Honours

Ichi Ban - Opened at $4.50 now at $2.85 Handicap

Teasing Machine narrowed to $4.75

Privateer - Out from $10.00 to $14.00

https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/sailing/sydney-to-hobart/Sydney-to-Hobart-2018-4408639

 

Plenty of good boats not even on sportsbets list and a few on there where you would have to wonder why?

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34 minutes ago, SCARECROW said:

She should do a Roy and HG style voice over coverage.

Live from the Card Table? 

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11 hours ago, SCANAS said:

I’d be significantly more worried about what the other crew would do to you if you cost them a trophy. 

Yep you would be worried but I'm not concerned one bit.

 

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14 hours ago, terrafirma said:

The odds have certainly narrowed for Comanche and Ichi Ban. 

Comanche - Opened at $2.50 now at $1.85 Line Honours

Ichi Ban - Opened at $4.50 now at $2.85 Handicap

Teasing Machine narrowed to $4.75

Privateer - Out from $10.00 to $14.00

https://www.sportsbet.com.au/betting/sailing/sydney-to-hobart/Sydney-to-Hobart-2018-4408639

 

What's driving the change in the odds?

Weather forecasts?

Oh, and I can't open the link due to my location.  Any chance that you can post all the super maxi odds?

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12 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

What's driving the change in the odds?

People betting. 

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48 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

People betting. 

Ok, stupid question.  

What is driving people to bet on particular boats?

For example, some horses do better at some tracks versus others.

Whats the local goss on why people are choosing one boat  horse over another?

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10 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Ok, stupid question.  

What is driving people to bet on particular boats?

For example, some horses do better at some tracks versus others.

Whats the local goss on why people are choosing one boat  horse over another?

How long is a piece of string.... I don’t think there is any local gossip, people make their own opinions based on hundreds of factors. You’re overthinking it. 

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34 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

Ok, stupid question.  

What is driving people to bet on particular boats?

For example, some horses do better at some tracks versus others.

Whats the local goss on why people are choosing one boat  horse over another?

The 2 main boats are being driven as follows: 

1. Comanche Line Honours - Odds started at $2.50 which is good for any clear and strong favourite, now it's being dragged back in because people are backing it

2. Ichi Ban - Handicap . Odds started at $4.50 which is once again really good for the clear favourite, it's not just winning on IRC it's smashing other boats

The answer is that there isn't strong competition for these 2 other than Oats and I'd say 5-6 boats on handicap weather being averaged. The weather can change this off course if we get a big blow or a system that favours the smaller boats. Personally I think the 52 footers are sailing so fast now they get to Hobart in a couple of weather systems, the smallest boats sometimes sail through 3-4 weather systems. We see so many times the smaller boats leading on IRC at some stage during the race but they are usually miles out of Hobart whereas the 52's are fast enough to get the race done quickly. Breakages or issues on any boat can also change the outcome but typically the best prepared boats have less chance of not sailing a clean and fast race. 

 

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16 hours ago, Feilberg said:

We are taking rum jug bets on irc. 

But you'd have to be in the race.

Guess there won't be too many here that are actually sailing in the race.

 

Nice to have you back Captain Feilberg.... now that you're here I will let you update the good folk on your program ..... And I will bet you $100 and a Jug you don't get top 5.... I know where you live

Hopefully I will see you there to collect....

13 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said:

I'd sign up - but I suspect you may not wait around long enough :)

Where ..at Woollongong ...?  

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The latest PW forecast has 15-20 easterlies for the first 24hr switching to 25-30 NNE all the way to Tasman I for the next 12hrs. At about 3am Friday it will switch to 25 SW at Tasman I and the SW will work its way north over the next 12 hrs.

Maybe this could be a good forecast for Couta and other boats bigger than the TP52, or perhaps a race for a Maxi tatts win?

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I don't think you are giving Ichi Ban enough credit.  Likely they will be right there with the older 60 footers.

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7 minutes ago, hoppy said:

The latest PW forecast has 15-20 easterlies for the first 24hr switching to 25-30 NNE all the way to Tasman I for the next 12hrs. At about 3am Friday it will switch to 25 SW at Tasman I and the SW will work its way north over the next 12 hrs.

Maybe this could be a good forecast for Couta and other boats bigger than the TP52, or perhaps a race for a Maxi tatts win?

Windyty EC model is saying light NE going to light to moderate NE most of the way.  GF model is a little different though.  Too far out for any certainty. 

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4 minutes ago, DtM said:

I don't think you are giving Ichi Ban enough credit.  Likely they will be right there with the older 60 footers.

Yeah, probably very likely.

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Just now, trt131 said:

Windyty EC model is saying light NE going to light to moderate NE most of the way.  GF model is a little different though.  Too far out for any certainty. 

I'm sure the forecast will change every day right up to the race. If the high speeds up it might become a small boat race and if it slows down, much more of the fleet will get a run all the way south :)

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16 minutes ago, trt131 said:

Windyty EC model is saying light NE going to light to moderate NE most of the way.  GF model is a little different though.  Too far out for any certainty. 

yup.

That trough coming through on the 28th is all over the shop.. especially E of Tassie.

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2 hours ago, PIL66 said:

Nice to have you back Captain Feilberg.... now that you're here I will let you update the good folk on your program ..... And I will bet you $100 and a Jug you don't get top 5.... I know where you live

Hopefully I will see you there to collect....

Where ..at Woollongong ...?  

I'd love to take that bet but your not in the race. 

 

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1 hour ago, duncan (the other one) said:

yup.

That trough coming through on the 28th is all over the shop.. especially E of Tassie.

Any possible hint of a big blow yet? Yes or no? 

Where's this bloke when you need him?

clouds.jpg

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42 minutes ago, Feilberg said:

I'd love to take that bet but your not in the race. 

 

Correct but i don't need to be for the bet

How about the race home .... you, me and Scally...? MP is keen

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1 hour ago, PIL66 said:

Correct but i don't need to be for the bet

How about the race home .... you, me and Scally...? MP is keen

I know you struggle with reading pil but i am only betting jugs of rum on irc with other competitors. No cash just a jug a rum and only if you are in the race.

 

No bets with lounge room hobart racers sorry.

 

I'll happily bet on the race home I'm on a A330 so good vmg!

 

 

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4 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Any possible hint of a big blow yet? Yes or no? 

Where's this bloke when you need him?

clouds.jpg

No Clouds to be seen for a while!!

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9 hours ago, Hitchhiker said:

Oh, and I can't open the link due to my location.  Any chance that you can post all the super maxi odds?

Line Honours
 
Comanche 1.85
Wild Oats XI (Sail Number 10001)3.50
Black Jack4.50
Scallywag10.00
Infotrack12.00
 
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8 hours ago, Feilberg said:

I know you struggle with reading pil but i am only betting jugs of rum on irc with other competitors. No cash just a jug a rum and only if you are in the race.

 

No bets with lounge room hobart racers sorry.

 

I'll happily bet on the race home I'm on a A330 so good vmg!

 

 

I'll take it....you're on!

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16 hours ago, Feilberg said:

I know you struggle with reading pil but i am only betting jugs of rum on irc with other competitors. No cash just a jug a rum and only if you are in the race.

 

No bets with lounge room hobart racers sorry.

 

I'll happily bet on the race home I'm on a A330 so good vmg!

 

 

Wise move

8 hours ago, Couta said:

I'll take it....you're on!

Yes......will be fun to watch Feilberg hand that over....

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9 hours ago, Couta said:

I'll take it....you're on!

Which boat couta?. 

 

Today will be the day that the media declare a possible record breaking race.

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You haven't been following this thread if you don't know the Couta boat :lol:

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Live Briefing at CYC courtesy of Nic.

BOM weather dude days fresh NE through to Thursday to Bass Strait then uncertain but one prospect is it going south and variable.

 

 

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1 hour ago, DtM said:

You haven't been following this thread if you don't know the Couta boat :lol:

He’s been here long enough and enough downvotes to show, I wonder who this poster was before the name change?

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44 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

Has C gone all powered? 

Yes where have you been this has been the case for a while

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8 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Yes where have you been this has been the case for a while

Thought so, too lazy. Cheers Terra.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Live Briefing at CYC courtesy of Nic.

BOM weather dude days fresh NE through to Thursday to Bass Strait then uncertain but one prospect is it going south and variable.

 

 

Sounds like a big boat race if this forecast is accurate? Personally I think a little too much instability in the weather to predict yet? Sounds like Comanche would enjoy this if she can break the back of the race before it turns light and the angle in the run down is right

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8 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

Thought so, too lazy. Cheers Terra.

She is loving the electric, I'm hearing lighter too. She is far more efficient in managing sails and trim. 

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Didn't know Ed and Midnight Rambler had gone to a Sydney 36? Interesting choice of boat after the Ker 40 footer I would thave thought? 

http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2018/pre-race/entrant-spotlight-ed-psaltis/

I hope this wasn't the reason to change, animation of a boat called Midnight Rambler in 70 foot waves...! 

 

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2 hours ago, DtM said:

You haven't been following this thread if you don't know the Couta boat :lol:

Correct because it's full of shit and dickheads that think they know a whole lot more than they do ike most of the threads here. 

Same dickheads slinging shit every year and fuck all posters that actually do the race.

Hence my offer of a jug on irc with other competitors. 

 

So far 1 week out, 1 jug been placed.

Lol

 

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8 minutes ago, Feilberg said:

Correct because it's full of shit and dickheads that think they know a whole lot more than they do ike most of the threads here. 

Same dickheads slinging shit every year and fuck all posters that actually do the race.

Hence my offer of a jug on irc with other competitors. 

 

So far 1 week out, 1 jug been placed.

Lol

 

It's Christmas get it all off your chest..! Seasons greetings too. I love most rum too. The Kracken, Sailor Jerry, Cap'n Morgan Black......

 

piratepots_jug-copy.png

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32 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Sounds like a big boat race if this forecast is accurate? Personally I think a little too much instability in the weather to predict yet? Sounds like Comanche would enjoy this if she can break the back of the race before it turns light and the angle in the run down is right

The models I ran on the 17th and the 18th had GFS slower than Euro by four to five hours or so.  Today was a big reversal with the Euro slower by some 14 hours. That tends to indicate quite a bit of instability and uncertainty to me. 

The last GFS I ran just now was 2 hours faster than this morning, (2 days 3 hours), super maxi (80% of polar).  Euro hasn't updated yet.  

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Predictwind showing light start 6-10 however direction is inconsistent between PWG, PWE, GFS & ECMWF until around 5pm then there seems to be an agreement of 14-17 Knots from the East to North east

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1 hour ago, mad said:

He’s been here long enough and enough downvotes to show, I wonder who this poster was before the name change?

Hasn't posted for more than six years and is now here all piss and wind for his first S2H.

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2 minutes ago, DtM said:

Hasn't posted for more than six years and is now here all piss and wind for his first S2H.

My point exactly. It's actually my 12th hobart. 

Another know it all that knows fuck all

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53 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

The models I ran on the 17th and the 18th had GFS slower than Euro by four to five hours or so.  Today was a big reversal with the Euro slower by some 14 hours. That tends to indicate quite a bit of instability and uncertainty to me. 

The last GFS I ran just now was 2 hours faster than this morning, (2 days 3 hours), super maxi (80% of polar).  Euro hasn't updated yet.  

Keep em coming. Those forecasts. I put some money on the Indian early to get the best odds but was worried about too light or a big blow. Looks like the big blow won't come and I hope they are almost home by the 27th if it goes light then

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1 hour ago, terrafirma said:

Didn't know Ed and Midnight Rambler had gone to a Sydney 36? Interesting choice of boat after the Ker 40 footer I would thave thought? 

http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2018/pre-race/entrant-spotlight-ed-psaltis/

I hope this wasn't the reason to change, animation of a boat called Midnight Rambler in 70 foot waves...! 

 

Fuck me that's one solid rig. Who built it do you know ?

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58 minutes ago, Feilberg said:

My point exactly. It's actually my 12th hobart. 

Another know it all that knows fuck all

Golly gosh, if that is the measure then I have every bit of the experience you have, dickhead.

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1 hour ago, Feilberg said:

My point exactly. It's actually my 12th hobart. 

Another know it all that knows fuck all

Dude - may I give you a word of advice?

It's not considered good form to self-aggrandize by denigrating others.  What do you gain by calling others dickheads when you don't know who they are and what they've done?  Back in my day you'd cop a flogging behind the Shipwright's Arms for mouthing off.

Tone it down, and good luck for the race.  Remember, these blokes may be the people you are drinking and partying with in Hobart - hopefully you aren't too good for that as well?

Sorry, I can't take up your bet - my last S-H was over 40 years ago.  I just watch from my lounge room these days ;)

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1 hour ago, terrafirma said:

Keep em coming. Those forecasts. I put some money on the Indian early to get the best odds but was worried about too light or a big blow. Looks like the big blow won't come and I hope they are almost home by the 27th if it goes light then

10%.

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3 hours ago, Feilberg said:

Correct because it's full of shit and dickheads that think they know a whole lot more than they do ike most of the threads here. 

Same dickheads slinging shit every year and fuck all posters that actually do the race.

Hence my offer of a jug on irc with other competitors. 

 

So far 1 week out, 1 jug been placed.

Lol

 

Jeez MF... tell us how you really feel.... you must be home sick or miss your puppy..... Couta is sailing with Box

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2 hours ago, Feilberg said:

My point exactly. It's actually my 12th hobart. 

Another know it all that knows fuck all

 

 

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3 hours ago, terrafirma said:

if she can break the back of the race before it turns light and the angle in the run down is right

Could say the same for every SH race for Comanche. 

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2 hours ago, DtM said:

Golly gosh, if that is the measure then I have every bit of the experience you have, dickhead.

Which boat you on for the race? Let's have a jug on irc?

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28 minutes ago, PIL66 said:

Jeez MF... tell us how you really feel.... you must be home sick or miss your puppy..... Couta is sailing with Box

Lol nah just read some of the expert commentary here. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Didn't know Ed and Midnight Rambler had gone to a Sydney 36? Interesting choice of boat after the Ker 40 footer I would thave thought? 

http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/news/2018/pre-race/entrant-spotlight-ed-psaltis/

I hope this wasn't the reason to change, animation of a boat called Midnight Rambler in 70 foot waves...! 

 

It's not just "a boat called Midnight Rambler"it is the MR in 1998.

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An Animation used by Dennis Perkins of the Syncretics Group to illustrate how the racing yacht Midnight Rambler negotiated 70 foot waves in the 1998 Sydney to Hobart Race. The animation shows a knockdown and a launch off the back of a wave.

and it's still for sale

https://www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1994-HICK-35/OAG-AD-16556899/?cr=1&psq=((Service%3D[Boatsales]%26Make%3D[HICK])%26(((SiloType%3D[Dealer used boats]|SiloType%3D[Dealer new boats])|SiloType%3D[Private used boats])|SiloType%3D[Demo and near new boats]))&pso=0&pss=Premium

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1 hour ago, Recidivist said:

Dude - may I give you a word of advice?

It's not considered good form to self-aggrandize by denigrating others.  What do you gain by calling others dickheads when you don't know who they are and what they've done?  Back in my day you'd cop a flogging behind the Shipwright's Arms for mouthing off.

Tone it down, and good luck for the race.  Remember, these blokes may be the people you are drinking and partying with in Hobart - hopefully you aren't too good for that as well?

Sorry, I can't take up your bet - my last S-H was over 40 years ago.  I just watch from my lounge room these days ;)

Good advise I'll be out back at ships if anyone's looking for me.

 

Being told to tone it down on S.A. that's gold.

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So handicap seems to be (as always) coming into the space between 50 and 65 feet. My take as a seppo punter is that the Naval Group folks are out on sailing ability, Oats X and Alive are carrying a big handicap for their canting keels that doesn’t overcome the form stability of winning appliances. probably too much upwind for Czhutzpah. I like Winning Appliances, Prospector, Itchy Bum, Primative Cool (dat age allowance), Privateer, Celestial and Patrice (as the darkest horse). 

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All of the other 52s are going to be also-rans to Ichi Ban. None as old and refined (rags doesn’t count) as Quest/Balance to really inject some all-around  to the handicap discussion in the 52 foot band. The Cookson 50 Privateer is a breed that has never been seen in Aus. They’re racing with an inclined keel pin to make lift at high speeds, high modulus mast, pristine boat prep, and very professional crew. Good luck Mr. Allen  

Its reachy enough for the injun to safely be my fave for line honors. 

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Ok..time for some of that notorious SA advice.....

We have the option of going IRC Div 0...or...IRC Div 1...

Which one should we go for ...and why?

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2 minutes ago, jackolantern said:

So handicap seems to be (as always) coming into the space between 50 and 65 feet. My take as a seppo punter is that the Naval Group folks are out on sailing ability, Oats X and Alive are carrying a big handicap for their canting keels that doesn’t overcome the form stability of winning appliances. probably too much upwind for Czhutzpah. I like Winning Appliances, Prospector, Itchy Bum, Primative Cool (dat age allowance), Privateer, Celestial and Patrice (as the darkest horse). 

You need to split it up Line Honours and Handicap. Weather so far leaning towards Oats XI for Line Honours. Handicap will depend on the accurate forecast but not a real lot has changed for Ichi Ban. Looks like some VMG Running at the start and till the next morning, not a lot of angle in it which means Oats will be well suited. Comanche will need some angle in the sails, not seeing it at the moment. 

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1 hour ago, Couta said:

Ok..time for some of that notorious SA advice.....

We have the option of going IRC Div 0...or...IRC Div 1...

Which one should we go for ...and why?

I thought 0 was for all the canters?

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1 hour ago, Couta said:

Ok..time for some of that notorious SA advice.....

We have the option of going IRC Div 0...or...IRC Div 1...

Which one should we go for ...and why?

Div 0

Better to be the small boat than the big boat. Also keeps you away from Ichy

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7 hours ago, Feilberg said:

My point exactly. It's actually my 12th hobart. 

Another know it all that knows fuck all

 

6 hours ago, Recidivist said:

Dude - may I give you a word of advice?

It's not considered good form to self-aggrandize by denigrating others.  What do you gain by calling others dickheads when you don't know who they are and what they've done?  Back in my day you'd cop a flogging behind the Shipwright's Arms for mouthing off.

Tone it down, and good luck for the race.  Remember, these blokes may be the people you are drinking and partying with in Hobart - hopefully you aren't too good for that as well?

Sorry, I can't take up your bet - my last S-H was over 40 years ago.  I just watch from my lounge room these days ;)

Rec I just got a good deal on one of these, if you want a linky. The hard bit though is taking a chainsaw to the companionway to get the fucker in B4 Wednesday. When Feelmyburger gets on and is sitting in a dementia ward manufacturing drool in the shape of Tasman Is, I'm hoping his family and my estate will connect on Gumtree..

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3 hours ago, jackolantern said:

All of the other 52s are going to be also-rans to Ichi Ban. None as old and refined (rags doesn’t count) as Quest/Balance to really inject some all-around  to the handicap discussion in the 52 foot band. The Cookson 50 Privateer is a breed that has never been seen in Aus. They’re racing with an inclined keel pin to make lift at high speeds, high modulus mast, pristine boat prep, and very professional crew. Good luck Mr. Allen  

Its reachy enough for the injun to safely be my fave for line honors. 

Many of the Quest/Balance crew are on Gweilo this year. 

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4 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said:

weather looking more interesting.. a stalled front on the South coast could see the fat girls park up in the light stuff first night.

Plus get tough for them after that while there is still some gas from the north for those behind. However odds of that transition and that after happening (which actually replicates models last week) are diminishing quickly. We will have a good idea by Saturday.

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2 hours ago, hoppy said:

Div 0

Better to be the small boat than the big boat. Also keeps you away from Ichy

Can't argue with this,  you would have a greater chance of being the only boat of your size/speed after that it comes down to whether the weather suits your size/speed.  Oh by the way you have to sail it fast & in all the right directions too!

Like Frantic I'm surprised that you have the Div 0 option without a canter,  and on the down side the Cookson should be there.

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7 minutes ago, Jason AUS said:

How on earth does Ichi Ban rate one pip lower than their old boat (Envy) ??

It's a black art, this rating caper...and yep Div 0 is currently made up of canters...so it's pretty arbitrary wrt actual rating and LOA. As for Itchy Bum and being "away from her"....meh, its the tatts trophy we're all chasing...and it all seems pretty close. In practical terms we give it 4hrs 33mins on a 53 hr race (current model prediction)...which doesn't sound crazy.

Gut feel is to be the small boat in the big boat fleet, but the truth is that it will actually depend on the forecast which is still dodgy....

Decision time for us...and all the other 60-70 footers...will be tomorrow after the latest forecast numbers are released...until then....happy to hear your thoughts!

 

 

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9 hours ago, Feilberg said:

My point exactly. It's actually my 12th hobart. 

Another know it all that knows fuck all

Hey ass-wipe, I have had the misfortune to sail with some dickheads who have (somehow) completed more than twice as many Hobarts as you (claim to) have done and I wouldn't give some of them deck space in a no-extras twilight race if it was my choice. Sailing Hobart races is not what makes you a good sailor; that's just distance.

There are plenty of seasoned Hobart strap hangers that know fuck all, believe me. The really good ones usually can't remember how many they have done because that's not what matters to them.

Introduce yourself at the Customs House and I might even buy you a beer. You do drink, don't you?

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19 minutes ago, Couta said:

..meh, its the tatts trophy we're all chasing...and it all seems pretty close.

then why care about which division? ;)

You can chase the Tatts in either division, but if it's not a big boat race, in div 0 you might get a consolation prize ;)

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1 hour ago, hoppy said:

then why care about which division? ;)

You can chase the Tatts in either division, but if it's not a big boat race, in div 0 you might get a consolation prize ;)

Hoppy, 

 

That sounds like a very shallow way of winning don’t you think even if it’s only a div 0 win ?

 

If it’s a big boat race you say “I was in the wrong division and the other boats were all 70 to 100 footers how could I beat them”.

 

If it’s a smaller boat race and you win you say “ aren’t I good I beat the 100 footers on handicap”  

 

The way I see it is, I’d like to beat the other boats around my own size and handicap. That way when I tell people about my win I can look them in the eye and say “I won my division and I beat the other boats around my own size and handicap and it was a hot fleet”. 

 

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