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4 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

I understand that (re the VOR, SS). I am only talking about the coverage of the finishes by the media, not any of the during-the-race photography by the OBRs and the VOR studio. There were numerous helicopters in the air during daylight at the start and the finishes so far, and I imagine there are some boats as well as the start was well covered with the unfortunate advertisers interruption;  yet the best we could see was what Nic on a cell phone with a camera  person in a run about showed us,  and Channel 7s pathetic coverage? 

That's what I was meaning but not expressing very well. The VOR is a well funded (commercial) operation while the Sydney Hobart (Rolex apart) is rather more shoestring. 

And before I get any trolling on that statement, what I mean it is a yacht race run by a yacht club not an event that was backed by two large auto manufacturers with a media budget to match. As For "7" they are a commercial TV station which would only cover the event (budget wise) to the extent they would receive advertising returns to cover the cost.

Now if sailing had the sort of fan base soccer or Aussie Rules had perhaps "7" might provide (invest in) better and more comprehensive coverage.

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Why would you bother going to Hamilton Island race week if WOX1 is racing or any other boat that Ricko or Vila are on. You would have to abide by the rules & SI's etc, but you would have to expect after this that you couldn't win or fare well in a protest.

My guess, Vila will be toast.

The sad part about it, like last year is that only the boat's name gets struck off, not the people.

The boat is being used like a hooker, spend money on her, fuck her and then walk away. 

 

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4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

What did your last slave die of? Going out turning in an hour and half.

He drowned because I couldn't look up the tide tables.

 

Thanks.

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6 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Ichi may struggle river is shutting down at a rapid rate will be glass out in 20 min

What is the next word after "struggle"?

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13 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

You forget WOX and Ichi will need to find a hole it cant jump over

Given that the WOX ladies are probably in a bar by now, I guess you mean WA ;-)

WA is doing 10.4 with only 2.7nm to go, but they are estimated to no beat Voodoo

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Few give a fuck about the handicap trophy, sorry but that's how it is.

Interesting but ...

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2 minutes ago, random said:

Few give a fuck about the handicap trophy, sorry but that's how it is.

Interesting but ...

What are you interest in? Just humping Richo's leg it seems...

I'd bet your dream date would be a pig on the spit for Richo and Witty 

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So we have this boat race, boats finish, all the results are fed into a computer and  ... wal lah!

And the winner is ....!

Give me a fucking break!

I have won races on handicap and although I took the trophy, didn't feel a sense of achievement.  It's calculated, you can get lucky with the weather on the day.  Didn't feel like the best sailor.

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57 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

On a topic unrelated to the WOXI AIS controversy, I found the video coverage of the finishes so far to this race to be frustrating and disappointing. It appears that Nic was working for a couple of different masters (The RSH and herself?) and she was required to cover, out in the water, only WOXI's finish for an excruciatingly long period of time, while, meanwhile, there was a real race brewing behind Nic and WOXI between Comanche and Black Jack.  She then came abhors, now working for RSH as she explained to people who were apparently writing her on her Facebook page about why she sin't covering C and BJ out in the water. Then they appeared from around the corner, and she got them mixed up. Maybe I am spoiled by the recent excellent on board, from the air, and from the sea coverage of the VOR and Route de Rhum finishes, which were quite exciting. Not meant to be a knock against Nic, who is knowledgeable and personable,  and contractually bound to apparently multiple organizations, but the camera person;s shots were also out of focus, cut off heads of people on the boats during closeups and on shore interviews of the finishers. I went back and watched Channel7 (why does it show studio shots instead of on the water?, not to mention the commercials, previously noted; and why not use a split screen during commercials? ), abc, whatever sources I could find but it was sketchy and incomplete. This is a huge and popular event; why is the in race live coverage such crap?

Yeah she got squeezed by the CH7/RSH consortium .

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43 minutes ago, hoppy said:

you guys are so fucking boring..... 

There's a fucking race still going on. 

Couta on Voodoo looks to have finished and I think realistically,  it is probably only Winning Appliances and Ichi who can knock them off 3rd on IRC. 

The wind at Dennes Point and Hobart town has dropped from 14 to 8 since WOX went through and the trend looks to be continuing. This will slow WA and Ichi, but will it be enough for Couta?

 

Many thanks Hoppy.

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I love nics work. She’s always there tp cover sailing that won’t otherwise get covered. 

The sidekick on the Abc Hobart live feed was really good in his own way too. Does anyone know who he was?

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Looks to me like the Sailor Girl is being sucked into the machine, where you have to toe the line.

Sad.

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Pot of mussels on the stove, still 36C outside I'm going to drown my sorrows. Can we bowl India out for under 500?

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4 minutes ago, Trickypig said:

I love nics work. She’s always there tp cover sailing that won’t otherwise get covered. 

The sidekick on the Abc Hobart live feed was really good in his own way too. Does anyone know who he was?

Stanbeck I think.

 

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5 minutes ago, Richard Face said:

Harburg or Cooney not protesting is because of 2 things... they didn't follow the rules required for a protest to be valid, or they have no case.

Let me guess ....you specialise in very complex theorems.

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On 12/26/2018 at 7:49 PM, jack_sparrow said:

You obviously don't know of my poster disposal history. Randumb has been reduced to nearly human.

So how's the troll hunting going you stupid cunt?  What fucking disposal history?

All that happened was your down voting habits got the rules changed to shut you down!

Funni as fuk!

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4 minutes ago, random said:

So how's the troll hunting going you stupid cunt?  What fucking disposal history?

All that happened was your down voting habits got the rules changed to shut you down!

Funni as fuk!

OMG you bite like a marlin.

Anyway back to the race. Can Ichi do it? Going to be an interesting hour an a quarter.

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Hoppy, according to the infamous AIS Winning Appliances has been finished for some time.  It shows as in the dock 25 minutes ago.

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40 minutes ago, Trickypig said:

I love nics work. She’s always there tp cover sailing that won’t otherwise get covered. 

The sidekick on the Abc Hobart live feed was really good in his own way too. Does anyone know who he was?

I think it was someone called Stannard from Australian Sailing, anyhoo a sailing journo who knew his stuff and had a sense of humour.

He was a bit taken aback though when someone asked why WOXI’s engine was running...

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6 minutes ago, olaf hart said:

He was a bit taken aback though when someone asked why WOXI’s engine was running...

What did he say?  Did he tell them that the boat won't work without the motor running?

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1 hour ago, paps49 said:

Ok, we get it you did a Lincoln Race, start a thread.

Wow, you're a miserable shit, aren't you? Jolly good, old chap.  You'll be the local I don't care about meeting.  On the upside... I look forward to seeing Ichi Ban.  And yeah, I'll be on that thread.

And....YAY THE GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!

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10 minutes ago, olaf hart said:

I think it was someone called Stannard from Australian Sailing, anyhoo a sailing journo who knew his stuff and had a sense of humour.

He was a bit taken aback though when someone asked why WOXI’s engine was running...

Yes, saw/heard that! Laughed. 

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53 minutes ago, paps49 said:

Pot of mussels on the stove, still 36C outside I'm going to drown my sorrows. Can we bowl India out for under 500?

Start a thread. Not sure you'll get the Septics interested in anything other than Australian Rules Baseball (AKA BBL), tho.

Cheers.

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Ichi 9 nm DTG doing 7kts with 40 minutes left. Alive stays alive.

I think you’re right Jack, well done to Alive.

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2 hours ago, Next Level said:

M3 team Hungary in jervis bay 

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I hope Roni the skipper and rigger by trade carried out a rigging check before the race. Also believe Roni rigging is a sponsor for the CYCA?

Also hope this chartered boat is insured?

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River shutting down for the night with 4 boats between Kingston and South Arm. 

Sorry about the shitty phone photos. 

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1 hour ago, paps49 said:

Stanbeck I think.

 

 

45 minutes ago, olaf hart said:

I think it was someone called Stannard from Australian Sailing, anyhoo a sailing journo who knew his stuff and had a sense of humour.

He was a bit taken aback though when someone asked why WOXI’s engine was running...

Just found out his name is Glen Stanaway and he works for Australian Sailing in Tasmania.

He had done his homework and had some interesting things to say... I hope he pops up on next yars commentary 

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Times up for Ichi with 6 nm DTG doing 6kts. Alive clears first and largest Tatts hurdle. Question now is whether it is WOX or Ichi which keeps Voodoo and @Couta off the podium.

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Alive has it, unless Grace pulls off a big run into Tasman Is and up the Derwent tomorrow .... everyone bigger will park tonite ...

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2 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Now if sailing had the sort of fan base soccer or Aussie Rules had perhaps "7" might provide (invest in) better and more comprehensive coverage.

Or the crikkit. Then mebbe we'd all be over on paps49's thread chatting about it.

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4 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

First my comment on a technical problem being not far fetched was in the context of interweb AIS trackers recieving a signal due to output power loss via coax cable/connections. For a boats close by even with that power loss, a technical problem becomes a bit far fetched. Having a technical problem occur in Sydney Harbour with a myriad of AIS station recievers close by and 2 hours before the start off Bradley Head, the far fetched ratchets up.

Testing transmit and receive at sea is limited to receive only and if that is in order for a reasonable (max distance of say 15 mile on a 100') you can assume transmit is generally in order, in so far as any coax cable/connector losses may be involved. 

For a program like WOXI's every communication and data device/network would be properly tested before leaving the dock. In fact every program regardless of budget should be doing so, particularly those that utilise AIS PLB's. In the case of AIS and VHF sharing the same coax cable and antenna it would involve testing with a Power Meter to measure the forward power (from the device to the coax) and the reflected power (from the coax back to the device) with and without antenna. 

  .   

Jack, just a clarification, I reckon we do have self test now. I have a pre-amplifier where my AIS and VHF "T" into the single coax/antenna normal rig.

The pre-amp will alert you to an AIS transponder failure, and also has a coax/antenna failure alert. Might not be deep packet inspection shit, but it's eminently suited for the most common failures.

So, in a way, you do have near enough to a damn good self test capability even with production kit without any external links like the ground stations/www.

   

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On 12/27/2018 at 9:44 AM, hoppy said:

is this a sell out by the CYCA or ch7 playing hardball?

After viewing that atrocious start coverage with incessant advertising I have to wonder if CYCA is in fact trousering a share of the Advertising revenue?

Otherwise, as the controlling body and owner of the event, why do they condone that sort of coverage year after year despite the annual howls of protest.

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On 12/27/2018 at 9:42 AM, SPORTSCAR said:

Off on a 9 hour Road Trip, Melbourne to sunny Ulladulla to meet Patriot who are on their way there under emergency steering after losing their rudder last night. All are safe and well on board but understandably devastated. I am taking rum and champagne with me as consoling fluid to assist them in their hour of need. 

Back home after a 1640Km round trip drive from Melbourne to Ulladulla to bring back race sails and gear, and Mrs S, from the rudderless Patriot. A temporary rudder will be fitted tomorrow and she will make her way under steam to Sydney for a more permanent repair. Crew understandably shattered but discussions re next year already taking place. 

Sorry to see 2 Unlimited suffered a similar fate and wish them well making it to port

We are on the Bass Strait  ferry to Devonport tomorrow morning and then on to Hobart to pick up the other gear, delivery sails etc sent down in the container and to drown sorrows at one or all of the waterfront inebriatoriums.

 

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Ugly finish for ichi and friends, every time I look at the tracker speeds are dropping. They have been about an hour away for an hour!

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2 hours ago, paps49 said:

Pot of mussels on the stove, still 36C outside I'm going to drown my sorrows. Can we bowl India out for under 500?

Interesting that flicked a parallel switch in my head.

Sailing largely a self policing sport when it comes to cheating. Also one with one of its lead characters not one who readily elicits much sympathy as a consequence of recent actions in the eyes of some.

Maybe Richo sanded the AIS away with a little bit of yellow sandpaper?

Then there is the question of ruling bodies being forced to react to controversy. Maybe the President of Australian Sailing and Vice-Chair of World Sailing’s Oceanic & Offshore Committee might be presented with a shit sandwich, not a rum and coke to digest, when he steps off Ichi in an hour or so.

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4 minutes ago, Rantifarian said:

Ugly finish for ichi and friends, every time I look at the tracker speeds are dropping. They have been about an hour away for an hour!

Yep, I’d say plenty of current going the wrong way for them right now. 

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8 minutes ago, Rantifarian said:

Ugly finish for ichi and friends, every time I look at the tracker speeds are dropping. They have been about an hour away for an hour!

For every mile they go they drop a knot in BS. At 3.5nm DTG doing 3.1 kt they will coast over. Definitely WOX got #2 spot.

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5 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Back home after a 1640Km round trip drive from Melbourne to Ulladulla to bring back sails and gear, and Mrs S, from the rudderless Patriot. A temporary rudder will be fitted tomorrow and she will make her way under steam to Sydney for a more permanent repair. Crew understandably shattered but discussions re next year already taking place. 

 

I wondered who that was trying to play chicken with me on the Princes Hwy this afternoon.

You win, I only did 815km today to pick up a Hobie 16

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

For every mile they go they drop a knot in BS. At 3.5nm DTG doing 3.5kt they will coast over. Definitely WOX got #2 spot.

Down at 0.1kn right now, 

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Just now, Rushman said:

I wondered who that was trying to play chicken with me on the Princes Hwy this afternoon.

You win, I only did 815km today to pick up a Hobie 16

Went up via the coast and came back via Canberra so not guilty Rushman

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Great result for a Tasmanian who also wanted the girls to do well...... Well done to both of them.

Ichi Ban did well to come as close as they did.

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11 minutes ago, Rushman said:

I wondered who that was trying to play chicken with me on the Princes Hwy this afternoon.

You win, I only did 815km today to pick up a Hobie 16

I would have saved the petrol (Sorry!)

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1 minute ago, shandy said:

So the race committee have lodged a protest against oats... interesting

 

 

Thanks

Link?

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Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

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Oh boy.  The trenches will now be dug, the handgrenades and mortar shells are stockpiled.

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6 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

I would have saved the petrol (Sorry!)

All good, the Hobie is for shits and giggles sailing at Marlo on the Snowy River with the non sailing extended family.  The plan is to find one with some interest, then tackle the entrance and go for an ocean sail.

As an added bonus the trip was also a mercy mission to pick up a bag of drugs for the brother in law (PTSD after serving OS)

 

21 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Went up via the coast and came back via Canberra so not guilty Rushman

Good option, the Hume is my preferred option too.  

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10 minutes ago, Maw said:

Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

I’d say they are ticking boxes to keep sponsors and all concerned happy. Not much with happen apart from a bit of news on 7 in the morning. 

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5 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Excellent find.

Time to put the crash helmets on. The WOXI fanboys are going to be livid.

Won't be a time penalty. DSQ or Exoneration is the only outcome.

If they get flicked for the second time in 2 years, I wonder if the family might dispense with his services for next year?

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1 minute ago, mad said:

If they get flicked for the second time in 2 years, I wonder if the family might dispense with his services for next year?

The old man would be close. Current generation are soft cocks.

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13 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

@Couta and the lads on Voodoo if sober need to have a look out the window, they are about to push Ichi behind them.

Come on now Jack . . . . 

It's thirsty work watching a tracker with updates that slow

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I'm not an Oats fanboi, but I respect their program greatly.  But for the last few years I have wondered whether Ricko is the right person to "represent their brand" as the movers and shakers say today.

I think he has fucked up a number of times lately - bearing in mind that I haven't have the responsibility of starting a boat of that size.

He shut down the Big Fella a couple of years ago - "I know that...", and Ian Murray wasn't apparently in the "picture" for the infamous tack last year.   MR didn't do himself any favours over that incident with his public pronouncements.  And now, foot in mouth disease again.  It's understandable that some people perceive him to be a cunt with no respect for the rules.

In my opinion, the Oatley family are not being served well.  I would expect they would be worrying about the repeated stains on their family name from this one source.  I would not be surprised to see a development, and I would be surprised to see no development, despite the close family and business ties. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Rushman said:

All good, the Hobie is for shits and giggles sailing at Marlo on the Snowy River with the non sailing extended family.  The plan is to find one with some interest, then tackle the entrance and go for an ocean sail.

As an added bonus the trip was also a mercy mission to pick up a bag of drugs for the brother in law (PTSD after serving OS)

 

Good option, the Hume is my preferred option too.  

Thanks to your BIL for his service. Sorry to learn he has PTSD issues as a result.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Times up for Ichi with 6 nm DTG doing 6kts. Alive clears first and largest Tatts hurdle. Question now is whether it is WOX or Ichi which keeps Voodoo and @Couta off the podium.

Well Jack you tipped this right on the button mate. Very impressed as you did it a long way out really. Congrats I burnt my money on the Chief and Ichi Ban. It's all part of the fun.

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6 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Thanks to your BIL for his service. Sorry to learn he has PTSD issues as a result.

The drugs let him sleep.... occasionally.  A long tough road with no finish line in sight yet but he is still here

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Ichi is still going, according to Marinetraffic. Doing 6.6 with a bit of distance to go. cant find a scale to see the actual DTG

According to the standings, it was estimated that Ichi will finish at 10:35 and beat Voodoo by 18 min on corrected. It's now 12 minutes after, so if they don't finish in 4 or so minutes, Voodo gets third, I think.

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1 minute ago, hoppy said:

Ichi is still going, according to Marinetraffic. Doing 6.6 with a bit of distance to go. cant find a scale to see the actual DTG

According to the standings, it was estimated that Ichi will finish at 10:35 and beat Voodoo by 18 min on corrected. It's now 12 minutes after, so if they don't finish in 4 or so minutes, Voodo gets third, I think.

Standings just updated to put Ichi behind. 

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13 minutes ago, overlay said:

Didn't Richo dodge a bullet with a  RC investigation into lack of HF reporting at Green Cape a few years back?

Will this hearing be any different?

Time will tell.

7 or 8 years ago? No different International Jury. They shouldn't have been DSQ as their delay was a blown fuse and they got HF up and going shortly afterward. Controversy was distance they travelled in that period without penalty.

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31 minutes ago, Maw said:

Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

I checked AIS a couple of times on the 27th and neither Oats or Infotrak were showing. 

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11 minutes ago, Sidecar said:

Official Standings now confirm that Voodoo gets third.

Itching 1.1nm DTG at 1.1kts..this is some sort of ratcheting hourly curse.

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Ichi still racing...

Looks like they will drop behind Winning Appliances

Voodoo is looking very good for 3rd overall and 1st in IRC1

The IRC1 result is probably very safe

 

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It's looking like tonight the leading 4 boats in IRC will all be 60+ footers, so Couta did his analysis very well. He just forgot to get Hugh to buy a canter.

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28 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Well Jack you tipped this right on the button mate. Very impressed as you did it a long way out really. Congrats I burnt my money on the Chief and Ichi Ban. It's all part of the fun.

Thanks.Subject to any on the water, which I can't see now with Voodoo on the podium that is the Trifecta in order and I think made over a week ago.

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13 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Itching 1.1nm DTG at 1.1kts..this is some sort of ratcheting hourly curse.

Yes and I know how they feel. Been there done that many years ago..... The Derwent at night can be cruel.

PS

Official, Winning now fourth...

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9 minutes ago, hoppy said:

so Couta did his analysis very well. He just forgot to get Hugh to buy a canter.

Well actually the best decision. They got #1 in Div 1 not #3 in Div 0.

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1 minute ago, overlay said:

A protest has been lodged against the 2018 Sydney to Hobart winner Wild Oats XI with the Race Committee advising there may have been a breach of regulations.

The Race Committee received a report from the owner of Black Jack saying that Wild Oats XI's automatic identification system (AIS) had not transmitted throughout the race.

The organisers of the race, the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia (CYCA), said it had received the protest from the Race Committee.

"The Race Committee is independent of the organising authority of the race to ensure objectivity is maintained and seen to be maintained in circumstances such as this," the CYCA Commodore, Paul Billingham said.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-28/protest-lodged-against-wild-oats-xi-sydney-to-hobart/10672796

Ahhhhh... The report from Peter Harburg.

That should spice things up.

If Peter Harburg has given a report to the Race Committee re Wild Oats AIS then why didn't he also report Infotrack for the same thing. He would have been aware Infotrack wasn't transmitting either.

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1 hour ago, Maw said:

Well, that's the hard part out of the way, having the balls to protest it.

Regardless of the outcome, that was the very right and very smart thing to do by the RC.

Hope it doesn't open up a rat hole, ie: who-else-was-naughty?

 

It should end with a fleet wide slaying. On the surface it's a safety thing and should be treated thus. 

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I wonder how this could impact Infotrack? Looks like their AIS switched off around 39min after race start, outside the heads.

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