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56 minutes ago, Next Level said:

Anyone know of local boats which can be chartered for the Hobart? In the 35-45ft range and already cat 1. approx costings?

Every boat that isn't doing the Hobart is a potential charter boat.! There isn't a list as such. If you are worried about the cost then you need to find a boat that is safety ready and almost ready otherwise your question is like how long is a piece of string? Your cost approximately would start at $10-20k and work up from there IMO. Only answering with a guess because you asked.....

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7 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Every boat that isn't doing the Hobart is a potential charter boat.! There isn't a list as such. If you are worried about the cost then you need to find a boat that is safety ready and almost ready otherwise your question is like how long is a piece of string? Your cost approximately would start at $10-20k and work up from there IMO. Only answering with a guess because you asked.....

Appreciate the response. Yeah, I think a cat 1 ready or close to option would be the go. I’ve heard figures of 60-80 for the 60 footers and above but never the smaller boats.

 

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I think that for all the hassle of being Cat 1 ready, if it was cat 1 it would be going. If not then it would be a last minute withdrawal for crew reasons but certainly not something you could rely on.

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On 9/30/2018 at 9:16 AM, Next Level said:

Appreciate the response. Yeah, I think a cat 1 ready or close to option would be the go. I’ve heard figures of 60-80 for the 60 footers and above but never the smaller boats.

 

I have heard a charter cost is around 20% of the boats value, ie a 40 racing boat would be around $40K plus a couple of new sails. Given the potential trashing of the boats sail wardrobe the charter cost is a cheap way of skippering a boat for a Hobart!.

If you are after a cheaper option, I am sure there are lower grade boat options, ie performance handicap rated boats with white sails which will be cheaper, ie $20K

The problem with the charter boat option is you will still need to put in the effort (time and money) to make sure the boat is ready to race (only past and present boat owners reading this post will appreciate this comment).

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SYD38 could be good option. Plenty of boats & boat parts around. 

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29 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

SYD38 could be good option. Plenty of boats & boat parts around. 

That’s what I’m thinking.... or alternatively first 40. Both proven and plenty around. All comes down to available boats and how set up they are.

any locals know of owners/boats that could available for 2019 (75th ed)?

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

They might need to go practise in some lumpy shit.

 

 

They’ve got the early forecast and train to it. How will they pick between the Maxi or the Tri to start with? That’s the big question

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3 minutes ago, Tropical Madness said:

How will they pick between the Maxi or the Tri to start with? 

They simply need to lodge 4 entries without pictures.

 

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On 10/1/2018 at 2:07 PM, Next Level said:

That’s what I’m thinking.... or alternatively first 40. Both proven and plenty around. All comes down to available boats and how set up they are.

any locals know of owners/boats that could available for 2019 (75th ed)?

A Sydney 38/ First 40 will cost you about $50k when it is all said and done.

Charter fee, insurance, boat prep, entry and delivery back to Sydney.

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Thanks for the feedback. I’ll keep the feelers out...

3 hours ago, lydia said:

A Sydney 38/ First 40 will cost you about $50k when it is all said and done.

Charter fee, insurance, boat prep, entry and delivery back to Sydney.

 

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On 9/30/2018 at 12:15 AM, Next Level said:

Anyone know of local boats which can be chartered for the Hobart? In the 35-45ft range and already cat 1. approx costings?

I know a Volvo 70 that you could charter.... I'm guessing $200000

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8 minutes ago, PIL66 said:

I know a Volvo 70 that you could charter.... I'm guessing $200000

Rent it out for 4 years & it’d pay off the purchase price :) 

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1 minute ago, SCANAS said:

Rent it out for 4 years & it’d pay off the purchase price :) 

We know its about the running costs not the purchase...as I'm sure you are acutely aware Scanas. 

I hear big Ichiban can be taken and it would be north $200000

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3 minutes ago, PIL66 said:

We know its about the running costs not the purchase...as I'm sure you are acutely aware Scanas. 

I hear big Ichiban can be taken and it would be north $200000

Ouch 200k! - Shit Hot looking boat tho! 

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17 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

They simply need to lodge 4 entries without pictures.

 

Like Ichi Ban.... or was that 2 or 3 entries? :)

 

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23 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

They might need to go practise in some lumpy shit.

 

 

Who is paying for this?

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4 minutes ago, PIL66 said:

Retirees 

 

...In aged care facilities and their surviving children when they on-sell their late parents apartment .

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1 hour ago, SPORTSCAR said:

...In aged care facilities and their surviving children when they on-sell their late parents apartment .

100% correct

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3 hours ago, PIL66 said:

100% correct

Looking forward to a future Royal Commission into that "industry". 

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1 hour ago, PIL66 said:

Scally's not the only one training hard

www.facebook.com/kylelangfordaus/videos/1802805449757194/

 

Lets face it. Doesn't matter how hard you train you aint gunna beat the big Indian in those conditions. Unless off course you park up in the Derwent after VMG running for extended periods. Wild Oats will be looking to win a race and have no visits to the protest room. Scallywag has the potential to upset someone and would be good to see them do well after their Volvo tragedy. ...

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1 hour ago, terrafirma said:

Lets face it. Doesn't matter how hard you train you aint gunna beat the big Indian in those conditions. Unless off course you park up in the Derwent after VMG running for extended periods. Wild Oats will be looking to win a race and have no visits to the protest room. Scallywag has the potential to upset someone and would be good to see them do well after their Volvo tragedy. ...

It is a pretty interesting betting book this year.

The light brigade favorites being BJ who hopefuly have learnt from last years debacle and Scally with a new keel, some experience on board now and Witty having maybe grown a set of ears to listen on the track to take. Navigators is probably the difference between those two, I therefore fancy BJ based on S2H track experience.

The middle is owned by WOXI and a boat set up for this race so well it could be winning it in another decade "as is" where Richo is in Bobs Hammo chair and the Big Fella suffering dementia says they take the rounding mark to port and head north. We saw signs of that diminishing skill set inside the Heads last year where they thought WOXI rules prevailed over the Rules. Probably a bit harsh but time they pensioned off a few on board to max potential, their DNF's the last few outings underpin that thought something is missing. Will always be in the right spot having a Nav on board like Villa.

The fresh end is owned by the Big Indian who needs it to compensate for the extra miles it has to sail particularly if it has more north in it like last year which was a bit of an aberation and quite brilliant Nav work to get to the corner first. The upside for them now is more training to more than compensate for the big dicks Clark/Kenny just paid for and a more moderate friendly set up now with hydraulic controls and things like a furling J1. Honey also doesn't make runway mistakes.

It is a good race to punt on for Line Honours as the bookies always short WOXI regardless and are pretty slow to responding to weather forecasts.

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3 hours ago, PIL66 said:

Scally's not the only one training hard

www.facebook.com/kylelangfordaus/videos/1802805449757194/

 

Will you be posting from the big Indian? 

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On 10/5/2018 at 7:46 PM, SCANAS said:

Will you be posting from the big Indian? 

No I won't... My only chance is if Maserati gets chartered..... The Indian is a pro deal and sadly for me, those days are gone however once the CY approves multis this month, I will enter my new boat in the short handed division ..... mostly.

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Anyone else doing the Newcastle / Bird Is race this weekend? If so, what on? Forecast is for a reasonable quick one at this stage. Keen to hear tactical nav options/theories! 

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33 minutes ago, Couta said:

Anyone else doing the Newcastle / Bird Is race this weekend? If so, what on? Forecast is for a reasonable quick one at this stage. Keen to hear tactical nav options/theories! 

Yeah...that'd be Bass Island....

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49 minutes ago, Couta said:

Anyone else doing the Newcastle / Bird Is race this weekend? If so, what on? Forecast is for a reasonable quick one at this stage. Keen to hear tactical nav options/theories! 

turn left first.

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5 hours ago, Couta said:

Anyone else doing the Newcastle / Bird Is race this weekend? If so, what on? Forecast is for a reasonable quick one at this stage. Keen to hear tactical nav options/theories! 

Best nav option would look to be staying dow stairs keeping the pencils sharp!

 

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On ‎10‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 8:33 AM, Couta said:

Anyone else doing the Newcastle / Bird Is race this weekend? If so, what on? Forecast is for a reasonable quick one at this stage. Keen to hear tactical nav options/theories! 

Keep going south when you reach bird island. Forecast looks good, lots of reaching

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11 hours ago, Next Level said:

Doesn’t he own a TP and which is also going south?

Skippered by Matthew Short. Not a bad collection anyway! TP52 & A classic. Why didn’t he buy Checkmate off Ray? 

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1 hour ago, SCANAS said:

Skippered by Matthew Short. Not a bad collection anyway! TP52 & A classic. Why didn’t he buy Checkmate off Ray? 

I understand from one of the crew that Spies is no longer involved in the TP52, it's Matt Short's now, I think Ian has a stake too as he previously co-owned it with Spiesy.

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It will be great to see Mark Twain off to Hobart again. She has 25 or more under her keel already I think. Never sailed on her but learnt how to winch hitch from one of her crew - there are no cleats or clutches.

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I had a bo peep at her on the way back from Hobart in 2004 I think it was. A lot of history with her. She’s crampt downstairs though. Not a lot of room for activities that’s for sure. 

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I did the 1972 World One Ton Cup in Sydney on Dark Stain. Jock Sturrock, Skipper and all the Melbourne heavies. At that time those old S&S boats could sure go upwind. I guess Spiesie is chasing the age allowance dream..will it work? weather dependent Im guessing.

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8 hours ago, Grogo said:

I did the 1972 World One Ton Cup in Sydney on Dark Stain. Jock Sturrock, Skipper and all the Melbourne heavies. At that time those old S&S boats could sure go upwind. I guess Spiesie is chasing the age allowance dream..will it work? weather dependent Im guessing.

Grogo 

 

yes the age  allowance will help. The thing is if you look and the weather for the last few years it’s been a dream run. We must be due for a major southerly buster this year and a up wind boat not a back choice. 

 

Pulpit  

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On 10/12/2018 at 11:24 AM, DickDastardly said:

I understand from one of the crew that Spies is no longer involved in the TP52, it's Matt Short's now, I think Ian has a stake too as he previously co-owned it with Spiesy.

Ian and Mick Stuarts boat (Used to sail with the southern gang on Andrew Shorts boats)... not sure Matt has a stake

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On 10/14/2018 at 12:50 AM, pulpit said:

We must be due for a major southerly buster this year...

A 20 year reunion would not be good.

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1 hour ago, PIL66 said:

Ian and Mick Stuarts boat (Used to sail with the southern gang on Andrew Shorts boats)... not sure Matt has a stake

NFI - only know what Ian's offsider told me ... Matt's name shows up on the entry list.  I know he adored the previous TP52 he had.

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3 hours ago, DickDastardly said:

NFI - only know what Ian's offsider told me ... Matt's name shows up on the entry list.  I know he adored the previous TP52 he had.

FWI (and you probably know)The Matt Short that is showing on entries is Ian's Shorts son not his brother.

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16 hours ago, PIL66 said:

FWI (and you probably know)The Matt Short that is showing on entries is Ian's Shorts son not his brother.

Ah - no didn't know.  Threy all look the same to me...

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With Mark Twain being a serious contender, Azzuro better lift her game.

 

Kearns knows (knew) that if he gets the right weather conditions he would do well on the Hobart.

Now with Mark Twain there as well, he may have some stiffer competition.

I would rather be on a 39 than a 34!!!

 

30 + sustained southerly for most of the race and a lucky run up the Derwent will see the handicap from God come into play.

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12 hours ago, LeKa said:

With Mark Twain being a serious contender, Azzuro better lift her game.

 

Kearns knows (knew) that if he gets the right weather conditions he would do well on the Hobart.

Now with Mark Twain there as well, he may have some stiffer competition.

MT has a long way to go before she is tweaked like Azzuro.

 

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3 minutes ago, Third Reef said:

MT has a long way to go before she is tweaked like Azzuro.

 

A

About 250k to go! 

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10 hours ago, Third Reef said:

MT has a long way to go before she is tweaked like Azzuro.

 

A

they also need to work on their origin story if they're going to give the beaten to death "bought it on credit card, crew at a funeral" line a run

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11 minutes ago, Hold Fast said:

they also need to work on their origin story if they're going to give the beaten to death "bought it on credit card, crew at a funeral" line a run

^^  That's funny.

 

Komatsu must be happy with the coverage one of the smallest boats in the fleet gets though.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said:

Spezie used to be a Funeral Director - as was his father

No wonder funerals cost so much these days.

 

If only the greasing  families knew  they were running Offshore race boats they would go to another funeral director.

 

Pulpit 

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8 hours ago, pulpit said:

No wonder funerals cost so much these days.

 

If only the greasing  families knew  they were running Offshore race boats they would go to another funeral director.

 

Pulpit 

That was along time ago in a different world.  I think MT will do great, with a good crew and good gear.  At least Spisey knows how to optimise for IRC.

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On 10/16/2018 at 9:02 AM, LeKa said:

With Mark Twain being a serious contender, Azzuro better lift her game.

 

Kearns knows (knew) that if he gets the right weather conditions he would do well on the Hobart.

Now with Mark Twain there as well, he may have some stiffer competition.

I would rather be on a 39 than a 34!!!

 

30 + sustained southerly for most of the race and a lucky run up the Derwent will see the handicap from God come into play.

You're probably right Leka but I have to ask...why?

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So what happened to Checkmate? 

Something must be going on with the rating rule for all these old girls to be brought back out to play. 

What would the odds be if Sunstone showed up again to play?

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2 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

So what happened to Checkmate? 

Something must be going on with the rating rule for all these old girls to be brought back out to play. 

What would the odds be if Sunstone showed up again to play?

Did it sell?

https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/peterson-50-available-soon-call-for-details/219400

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55 minutes ago, Bill E Goat said:

Not for $290k

i think $90k is a stretch .

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12 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

Shane has started a movement...

Two boats in a race is a slow moving movement! 

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4 hours ago, DickDastardly said:

:lol:

Was there any rating hit that came with the armed security guard for the 44.7 at Hamilton Island?

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Who else but Pil is entered in the shorthanded multihull division? 

What a pioneer he is, two birds with one boat.

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On ‎10‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 10:08 AM, Next Level said:

I had a bo peep at her on the way back from Hobart in 2004 I think it was. A lot of history with her. She’s crampt downstairs though. Not a lot of room for activities that’s for sure. 

Pilgrim and Mark Twain came out the same shed. Pilgrim was built first, the moulds were then used for Mark Twain, and left inside for extra strength. Tim Ratten from Esperance owned Pilgrim right up to 1989, when Jon Sanders bought it and renamed it Perie Banou III. He once told me that he felt "The mast step needs beefing up".

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18 hours ago, DtM said:

Who else but Pil is entered in the shorthanded multihull division? 

What a pioneer he is, two birds with one boat.

Dtm... As my crew, you will enter the port hull and I'll enter the starboard

Any weather forecasts...???    Prediction: Time for a cracker on the shnoz... it's been a while.

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21 hours ago, duncan (the other one) said:

Shane has started a movement...

I'd love to get Mercedes IV out of retirement for another crack but the coin required to get it back to racing trim would be more than the boat's worth.  We did the Admirals Cup regatta in it last year and even with ancient spectra sails it still lit up in good hands, beat Love & War around the course once or twice.

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On 10/18/2018 at 7:28 PM, thefirstpelican said:

Pilgrim and Mark Twain came out the same shed. Pilgrim was built first, the moulds were then used for Mark Twain, and left inside for extra strength. Tim Ratten from Esperance owned Pilgrim right up to 1989, when Jon Sanders bought it and renamed it Perie Banou III. He once told me that he felt "The mast step needs beefing up".

The beginning of life in a place where no wind is not a problem 

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11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

The beginning of life in a place where no wind is not a problem 

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Isn’t inflation a wonderfull thing.  Total cost “more than $100,000”. 

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On 10/19/2018 at 9:47 AM, PIL66 said:

Dtm... As my crew, you will enter the port hull and I'll enter the starboard

and the two entries will be named 6.

When are we starting training?

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2 hours ago, SCARECROW said:

Isn’t inflation a wonderfull thing.  Total cost “more than $100,000”. 

As a good guide to what say spending $33k on a new boat was the equivalent to buying back then. For $33k those guys could have brought eight (8) Holden Monaro GTS 327's each and a I think Holden's first road rego Bathurst race car. Yachting was a pretty expensive pastime back then. 

As for quality of investment.. those 8 Monaro's are probably worth around $1.2  - $2.5 million total today depending on condition.

Those fellas clearly chose the wrong sport.

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I personally noticed absolutely no similarity between the lines of Rampage and Pilgrim/Mark Twain, apart from LOA being within a foot.

And Scarecrow, I was involved in a certain build in those days where the budget was generously in the order of $100K, but build cost ended up 4 times that much!  A time of rampant inflation, to be sure.

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13 hours ago, SCARECROW said:

Isn’t inflation a wonderfull thing.  Total cost “more than $100,000”. 

 

10 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

As a good guide to what say spending $33k on a new boat was the equivalent to buying back then. For $33k those guys could have brought eight (8) Holden Monaro GTS 327's each and a I think Holden's first road rego Bathurst race car. Yachting was a pretty expensive pastime back then. 

As for quality of investment.. those 8 Monaro's are probably worth around $1.2  - $2.5 million total today depending on condition.

Those fellas clearly chose the wrong sport.

Scare after interrogating a few people and my brain the $30k+ spend in that town on one big race boat with some pedegree let alone three gets interesting. At that time Stars/Flying 15's were the big boats there out of the Esperance Bay Yacht Club, only a decade or so old. That headline back then is the equivalent today hearing 3 locals from Wiepa just ran out and commissioned a WOXI and couple of TP52's between them.

The local department store in Esperance owned by the Daws family just did a new $30k build in the late 60's at the same time Tim Slatter and Co outlayed around $30k+ for a boat each noting Daws sold everything from fruit and veg, selling pajama's and having the only travel agent in town. They were the Westfield before Westfield was invented and regarded as being at the top of the town tree in the money department. Having said that they were probably just below the owners of the Pier Hotel, the areas pioneering Drake Brockman family and before the farmer/graziers and the new mob with capital to convert useless sand plain country into gold came to town from the 60's. That aside $30k back then as underpinned by the Daws build was a lot of money, a million or more buying power today.

Around the time JFK got a bullet a new money mob arrived in Esperance who were providing machinary advice and selling equipment to a farming community that was expanding like you could not believe. One machinary guy was very switched on about using US equipment to solve tilling, weed control problems etc plus combining it with chemicals from unheard companies like Monsanto (who invented/commercialised Roundup) .

His name was Tim Ratten and who ended up with his partner upseting the "who has money hierarchy" in the town of Esperance in the late 60' by increased farming/grazing yields over night. Guys like him, sellers of offshore farming gear into the wheatbelt of Western Australia between Esperance and Perth and with solid technical advice were the equivelent of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs arriving on your doorstep today.

It was that rural wealth which caused Tim to commission Pilgrim in 73/74 at the height of a Australian if not world financial black hole (credit squeeze, high inflation, high interest rates, global oil shock etc) that buried many in urban Australia. It was exactly the same financial time which murdered many urban entrepreneurs like Ian Kienan in Sydney at the time who up until then had more money than God. The iron ore boom in WA had also exploded and people like Bond were appearing.

For those financially minded with grey hair and an interest in a very interesting period in disparity in financial well being in Aust and with a sailing connection. This early 70's time between east to west coast and urban to rural is what got those three relatively high end boats built by unknown owners from a place from fucking no where.

Rolly Tasker who was very parochial said way back then and well before the AC and Bond about WA ... "it is our time".

Sailors are very good economists, more so if they come from the edges.

 

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23 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

Scare after interrogating a few people and my brain the $30k+ spend in that town on one big race boat with some pedegree let alone three gets interesting. At that time Stars/Flying 15's were the big boats there out of the Esperance Bay Yacht Club, only a decade or so old. That headline back then is the equivalent today hearing 3 locals from Wiepa just ran out and commissioned a WOXI and couple of TP52's between them.

The local department store in Esperance owned by the Daws family just did a new $30k build in the late 60's at the same time Tim Slatter and Co outlayed around $30k+ for a boat each noting Daws sold everything from fruit and veg, selling pajama's and having the only travel agent in town. They were the Westfield before Westfield was invented and regarded as being at the top of the town tree in the money department. Having said that they were probably just below the owners of the Pier Hotel, the areas pioneering Drake Brockman family and before the farmer/graziers and the new mob with capital to convert useless sand plain country into gold came to town from the 60's. That aside $30k back then as underpinned by the Daws build was a lot of money, a million or more buying power today.

Around the time JFK got a bullet a new money mob arrived in Esperance who were providing machinary advice and selling equipment to a farming community that was expanding like you could not believe. One machinary guy was very switched on about using US equipment to solve tilling, weed control problems etc plus combining it with chemicals from unheard companies like Monsanto (who invented/commercialised Roundup) .

His name was Tim Ratten and who ended up with his partner upseting the "who has money hierarchy" in the town of Esperance in the late 60' by increased farming/grazing yields over night. Guys like him, sellers of offshore farming gear into the wheatbelt of Western Australia between Esperance and Perth and with solid technical advice were the equivelent of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs arriving on your doorstep today.

It was that rural wealth which caused Tim to commission Pilgrim in 73/74 at the height of a Australian if not world financial black hole (credit squeeze, high inflation, high interest rates, global oil shock etc) that buried many in urban Australia. It was exactly the same financial time which murdered many urban entrepreneurs like Ian Kienan in Sydney at the time who up until then had more money than God. The iron ore boom in WA had also exploded and people like Bond were appearing.

For those financially minded with grey hair and an interest in a very interesting period in disparity in financial well being in Aust and with a sailing connection. This early 70's time between east to west coast and urban to rural is what got those three relatively high end boats built by unknown owners from a place from fucking no where.

Rolly Tasker who was very parochial said way back then and well before the AC and Bond about WA ... "it is our time".

Sailors are very good economists, more so if they come from the edges.

 

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Esperance likely hasn't changed much since that photo...

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Probably not a good option anywhere that allows canting keels... still, she'd probably beat that Niccorett thing - whatever she's called these days.

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18 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Not even Esperance could escape the Roundabout.

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It's got a Maccas now too! 

Ill give it credit, they have done good things to the foreshore down there and the yacht club is the classic example of country club, ie welcoming, big open doors and a comfortable atmosphere, not the oozing wank fest that seems to breed in almost every metro yacht establishment.

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3 hours ago, ALL@SEA said:

Probably not a good option anywhere that allows canting keels... still, she'd probably beat that Niccorett thing - whatever she's called these days.

His Rio 50/TP turbo probably more level racing fun.

Rio 100 top notch Maxi program - not many around here anymore.

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Not much reason to have a fixed keel 100'er any more either, now that the Transpac has flip-flopped and allowed canting keel entrants to be eligible for the Barn Door. The bigger question is which of the AUS 100 footers is going to come north to win the 50th Transpac.

That said, Rio100 is also entered in Transpac for this upcoming year: https://yachtscoring.com/event_scratch_sheet.cfm?eID=4758

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Black Jack might be the perfect 100 footer for the Transpac now eh? VMG running in L/M air is her specialty..

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