JonRowe

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Where do people advertise their boats? ASBA site doesn't get a lot of interest these days over here (Australia) and brokers I've spoken to won't take something so small... (or maybe no ones buying!)

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11 hours ago, JonRowe said:

Where do people advertise their boats? ASBA site doesn't get a lot of interest these days over here (Australia) and brokers I've spoken to won't take something so small... (or maybe no ones buying!)

Not sure if you're looking for something specific but here are some Australian Viper 640's for sale http://www.viper640.org/aus/used-boats/ by owners.  There's also a link to Australian contacts for more information.  The Viper 640 Worlds were just held in Perth last week.

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I have mine advertised here in the classified section of SA. Over a thousand views and a couple of calls so far...

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Gumtree & Yachthub 

Be realistic & it'll go. 

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Yeah thats the hard part, wanting a fair price for your boat when people don't want to pay it :/

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I would but headed overseas to do something stupid (attempt a Mini campaign)

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10 hours ago, JonRowe said:

Yeah thats the hard part, wanting a fair price for your boat when people don't want to pay it :/

Ask around & find out what they have actually changed hands for. Seller will tell you he sold it for more than he did, buyer will tell you he picked it up for less than he did! 

If its been listed for 6 months then seller is dreaming, comes & goes off the net quickly you know it was around the chocolates. 

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And to think not long ago the sportboat anarchy forum was a hive of activity and showing the awesome racing and fleet numbers to not only Australia, but the world  with it being the main platform for getting notices and all information about boats, events and anything really about sportboats, but like our national body, its nearly dead! The people still are around, lurking, and to scared to comment! 

 

Kind of fitting, when the majority of the then current fleet were battling fairness, and a new wave of different performing boats arrived they didn't give even one fuck about the majority of members boats that were becoming worthless! How the tide has turned!

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Jon,

Without offending the "buy an ad" what is it you are selling?  In Sydney?

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Yes Monkey Business is the one I'm trying to sell, theres one other at the same price in Queensland the rest are $5k dearer (I only reduced my price to match the other cheap one) and heck of a lot more boat than a Viper.

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Which Qld one is for sale?

Hard to believe Monkey Business is a 9yr old boat. Seems like yesterday the Shaw & L650's were new kids on the block. 

What does MB weigh & what is the bulb/lead weight?

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Just now, SCANAS said:

Which Qld one is for sale?

Lickety Split? Noels old boat before he passed away.

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47 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Which Qld one is for sale?

Hard to believe Monkey Business is a 9yr old boat. Seems like yesterday the Shaw & L650's were new kids on the block. 

What does MB weigh & what is the bulb/lead weight?

The Shaw 650 weighs around 350kg with the keel and bulb weighing 115kg on the fibreglass boats and 85kg on the cedar boats that were built in New Zealand. I have a fibreglass boat for sale that is sitting in a shed near Geelong.

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Monkey Business has a a 112kg production bulb as she was upgraded to meet ASBA rules, she was built with a 92kg bulb but none of the boats in Australia can use these.

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Good to know. I'm not really in the market, unless retuned drops 50% :) just noting there are a lot of good buys around at the moment.

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1 hour ago, SCANAS said:

Good to know. I'm not really in the market, unless retuned drops 50% :) just noting there are a lot of good buys around at the moment.

You would be better off with a Shaw.

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27 minutes ago, MelbourneA31 said:

You would be better off with a Shaw.

I dunno! Retuned but an hour on a Shaw650 in a 5hr race. Though at less than half the price Shaw's are pretty good value. 

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10 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

I dunno! Retuned but an hour on a Shaw650 in a 5hr race. Though at less than half the price Shaw's are pretty good value. 

And easier to sell when you want to move on. Although, at the moment, nothing is selling.

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2 minutes ago, MelbourneA31 said:

And easier to sell when you want to move on. Although, at the moment, nothing is selling.

 Agree 100% 

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"nothing is selling"... dunno about that. I just bought a Melges 20. Couldn't be happier. 

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How did you decided on the Melges? Do they have a few in Sydney?

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There are 6 or 7 of them in AUS now. Rumor is that one is being prepped to be shipped back to Europe, where they are in high demand and will command a much higher price. Shame to see one go if it does in fact go. I have been involved in Melges boats for a while now (32's) - and have always been impressed with the build quality and performance. Getting into the 20 was as much a downsize move (3 crew, compared to 7-8 crew) - and hugely lower costs for almost everything. People said the 20's are twitchy little buggers and they are to a certain extent. But they go like shit of a shovel off the breeze and the 'grin-factor' is everything it was on the 32.

There is also big appeal in a huge pool of barely used sails coming out of US and EU programs. Loads of go fast information on the boat is freely available. The idea of bricking up some sails and doing a regatta at Lake Garda, Monaco or Miami in a turn-key charter boat - also has appeal. The thing is piss easy to trailer and launch - making hammo/Airlie/Geelong genuine options.

It seems to have a reasonable rating on SMS (0.729)- a tad higher than a J70, a tad lower than a Melges 24. Based on recent ASBA results, it ought to have this thing close to the front if sailed well. My hope is to try and get some 20-24ft 'production sportsboat' sailing going on - if others are interested. I could see a great mixed fleet of Melges 20's, J70's, SB20's possibly VXOnes, and maybe even Vipers and Melges 24's - all on the same track. No arms racing - run what you brung in one-design spec only. There's a little bit of it happening now out of the RSYS in Sydney on regatta weekends. We'll hope to join that party next season. For now - the fuckeries and vagaries of a CYCA Winter Series await! 

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Yeah they are a good size. As much as I'd love a T8 or 79'r I can see why the 6-6.5m size is pretty popular. For me it would also mean I could keep it at home Vs being mast up in storage. 

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Well technically the Shaw 650 is a one design boat ;) we even have the class rules to prove it, also Yorkies new boats will be one design, his goal was always that way orientated. Quite a few of the vipers and vx ones race ASBA outside their one-design format (e.g. mast head kites or longer prodders) so I'm not sure SMS is going to work for a mixed bag of ones designs.

Speaking as someone who has sailed one design and mixed, I can assure you that whilst one design eliminate the design arms race, its still an arms race, theres always someone who will pay a tactician you can't afford, or buy more, newer sails than you. Cracking down on this just decreases the fun level for all involved, its a hard problem to solve, we've tried.

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you know what is also fun?

blasting along at 20kts between islands in warm sunny conditions not giving a fuck who else is around because your on a bitching 6.5m yacht in perfect control and a raging hard-on.......

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19 hours ago, Ricky Bobby said:

you know what is also fun?

blasting along at 20kts between islands in warm sunny conditions not giving a fuck who else is around because your on a bitching 6.5m yacht in perfect control and a raging hard-on.......

Too right.

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On 4/19/2018 at 5:28 AM, Ricky Bobby said:

you know what is also fun?

blasting along at 20kts between islands in warm sunny conditions not giving a fuck who else is around because your on a bitching 6.5m yacht in perfect control and a raging hard-on.......

Plenty of time to buy a Shaw to do that before Airlie, was awesome fun taking the Business round the cones when I went, yewww

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Passing through Wagga the other day on our way to the farm and was surprised to see the Shaw 650 Porn/star pulled up by the side of the road. A long way from home and/or water?

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Was probably on the way to her new home! Chris sold her recently.

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