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VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

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15 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

And Mad, I just notice you gave me a down vote for the post on preventers to Miffy. 

Are you not only mad, but an idiot too. Thought you were old school, well never mind. 

Remember Richard Bagnall in the Solent perhaps, or the many others?

That accident was a bit different actually, but it did show the dangers of the boom, but we all know that, do we?

Have another one, and get back to us all when you have something salient and sober to say. I’ve no idea what you’re talking about in your trip down memory lane. 

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3 hours ago, stief said:

NBG, were you the one that mentioned only much later it was said that Hans was tether less? 

I fess up your your honour, twas me.

Someone on Moviestar let it slip he wasn't wasn't tethered around 4 or 5 days after the incident when they were dropped off in Falmouth along with Hans body going on a Dutch navel vessel. I was therefore expecting no information about Fish to surface until at least the crew hit Chile and after the RO's blackout over Vestas in Leg 4, that was probably being optimistic.

I don't think Scally's release of the details and Hayles piece at the same time was a coincidence. My guess is someone saw it as a means to suck all oxygen out of the speculation debate and deal with Hancock's grubby accusations in one. I don't think the fool understands how many people he has offended. Also as to timing maybe unlike 2006 they probably have on board now procedures to properly record details while the incident is fresh in people's mind to assist future investigations, thus they could be pretty certain about its accuracy for wider release.

I'm so glad they did this as maybe like many here the longer it went on, the more appalled I was about what Hancock had orchestrated for his own self-aggrandizement and the similiarly disrespectful like-minded pricks it brought to the surface.

In the future the Ed might like to think twice about publishing offensive shit like that. Unfortunately when you have a business and advertising platform been driven by traffic, that is maybe a big ask. 

If I was a substantial advertiser here I would be making my views on the timing and possibly nature of such future publications pretty clear to the Ed.

 

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3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Also as to timing maybe unlike 2006 they probably have on board now procedures to properly record details while the incident is fresh in people's mind to assist future investigations, thus they could be pretty certain about its accuracy for wider release.

I was wondering about the various cameras that film from the top of the mast and the comms pod at the stern. Are these on continuous record? I clearly remember the Vesta reef incident last cycle and watching the replay of the action ... "what?! there's a rock here!!!" ... or some similar incredulous comment from a crew member peering over the side.

We will never see (I hope to god) any footage from the Fish MOB incident but for those that need to know, it would be invaluable.

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Makes sense  Jack..... Footvirgina's mate / sock Car Crash will be along shortly to call you names. 

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20 minutes ago, mad said:

Have another one, and get back to us all when you have something salient and sober to say. I’ve no idea what you’re talking about in your trip down memory lane. 

Jeez, you make me go on the booze. Are you really such an ignorant Pom?  You are avoiding the preventer question, and why you gave me a down vote. 

And the Bagnall story is old, but well known in the Lymington Checkers pub, but you didn't seem to know that pub either, I noticed before. Enough anyway, just go to bed, please.

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5 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

I fess up . . . , twas me.

Thanks. Never did get the "blame the victim' idea, but realize many take that route. 

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MAPFRE by  Ugo Fonollá — published Thursday 29th Mar 2018 @ 01:53 UTC

Leg 7 from Auckland to Itajai, day 11 on board MAPFRE, Aerial shot, the crew were peeling with 35-40 kts of wind, 28 March, 2018.

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MAPFRE by  Ugo Fonollá — published Thursday 29th Mar 2018 @ 01:57 UTC

Leg 7 from Auckland to Itajai, day 11 on board MAPFRE, surfing the southern ocean, Guillermo and Sophie at the hatch, 28 March, 2018

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MAPFRE by  Ugo Fonollá — published Thursday 29th Mar 2018 @ 01:54 UTC

Leg 7 from Auckland to Itajai, day 11 on board MAPFRE, Rob Greenhalgh steering, 28 March, 2018.

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There was an update.  Brunel still pulling away.

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That gybe sure paid off for TBRU

Team At position Instantaneous Average since last report
DTL Gain/Loss 24h run Waypoint COG SOG VMG COG SOG VMG
Team Brunel 0.0 nm 0.0 nm 452.1 nm Cabo Hornos 130° 21.3 kts 20.1 kts 107° 19.0 kts 19.0 kts
Vestas 11th Hour Racing 91.7 nm -19.1 nm 421.4 nm Cabo Hornos 68° 22.7 kts 22.0 kts 121° 18.9 kts 14.8 kts
Dongfeng Race Team 94.3 nm -5.8 nm 411.3 nm Cabo Hornos 66° 23.9 kts 22.4 kts 90° 18.1 kts 18.0 kts
MAPFRE 105.6 nm -11.9 nm 403.8 nm Cabo Hornos 151° 24.1 kts 13.0 kts 136° 21.0 kts 15.6 kts
Turn The Tide on Plastic 133.2 nm -18.2 nm 403.5 nm Cabo Hornos 61° 24.4 kts 21.9 kts 103° 16.5 kts 15.9 kts
Team AkzoNobel 141.0 nm -15.5 nm 413.8 nm Cabo Hornos 60° 23.7 kts 21.9 kts 108° 17.7 kts 16.0 kts

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21 minutes ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

I was wondering about the various cameras that film from the top of the mast and the comms pod at the stern. Are these on continuous record? I clearly remember the Vesta reef incident last cycle and watching the replay of the action ... "what?! there's a rock here!!!" ... or some similar incredulous comment from a crew member peering over the side.

We will never see (I hope to god) any footage from the Fish MOB incident but for those that need to know, it would be invaluable.

Theres a camera that continuously records, and in the event of an incident, special moment, or whatever the crew can hit a button which captures the n minutes before and after (I think 4 before?)

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2 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

He was not getting back below, he was on watch already. He did indeed sent his crew down first to get their safety gear on, waiting for his turn. Hate to say it, let alone to blame anyone, but they were simply too late to do that.

That sad story is exactly the reason why my Musto gear had a build in harness, and the tethers in a pocket, always immediately available whenever one was wearing the foul weather gear. Don't know if Musto is still doing that, probably not, because it might be difficult to make it to regulatory standards. 

On top of that, there was always 10 mini-flare McMurdo in a pocket, as well as a strobe light.

My recollection of the incident is Hans was on deck trimming spinnaker, and as a result him and the helmsman were last to go down when a wave washed him overboard. 

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14 minutes ago, samc99us said:

My recollection of the incident is Hans was on deck trimming spinnaker, and as a result him and the helmsman were last to go down when a wave washed him overboard. 

I think he had just come on deck.

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12 minutes ago, Ozee Adventure said:

From Musto on FB

Thanks Ozee, "nice" video collage, but a bit too soon for my mind.  Musto marketing, not an appropriate thing to do at this time, methinks. 

On the other hand, we'll have to get over it somehow.

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5 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Musto marketing, not an appropriate thing to do at this time, methinks

Looks very respectful to me...disrespectful would be ignoring him.

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From the Musto video.  Not a good look safety wise is it ...

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26 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Looks very respectful to me...disrespectful would be ignoring him.

I didn't see any marketing. 

I agree with Jack, it was very respectful and helps those of us who didn't know him, learn a little more about him. 

From the number of times in that video where he was laughing or smiling, he obviously loved what he was doing.

RIP John Fisher

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39 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Thanks Ozee, "nice" video collage, but a bit too soon for my mind.  Musto marketing, not an appropriate thing to do at this time, methinks. 

The video was put together by photographer Keith Brash and was shared by Musto. Sailor girl also shared it,. Was she using it for marketing? NO.

It was very appropriate.

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One thing I will say from the preliminary report of events, and the standard setup with everyone at the back of the bus in heavy running conditions -- the teams may be thinking of keeping the traveller locked centre and running temporary jacklines over it either side, so crew can move back and fwd without unclipping.

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36 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

I think he had just come on deck.

No, as stated above, and as can be seen and was stated in the documentary posted earlier by Mad? that is 1/2 in Dutch, some in English (and, no dry eyes for me), he had apparently sent the rest of the crew on deck below to get their foul weather/safety gear on, Hans was the last to make his way to the the back of the boat to go down, below, a big wave came and the boat dipped down,  others incl Si Fi were below deck, then Si FI heard a sail flapping in the wind, figured out what had happened, and hit the MOB button. It appears Hans was washed. The coroner's report/autopsy showed a fractured skull, so it is surmised Hans hit his head, perhaps on the steering wheel or something else in the back of the boat and may have been unconscious when he went over and into the water. 

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It's a huge shame that tragedies bring out the Vultures and the trolls. 

If you are joining this thread for the John Fisher tragedy, pay your respects, otherwise fuck off

 

 

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Mapfre SO gybe sequence.  Someone was asking.

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11 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

 

No, as stated above, and as can be seen and was stated in the documentary posted earlier by Mad? that is 1/2 in Dutch, some in English (and, no dry eyes for me), he had apparently sent the rest of the crew on deck below to get their foul weather/safety gear on, Hans was the last to make his way to the the back of the boat to go down, below, a big wave came and the boat dipped down,  others incl Si Fi were below deck, then Si FI heard a sail flapping in the wind, figured out what had happened, and hit the MOB button. It appears Hans was washed. The coroner's report/autopsy showed a fractured skull, so it is surmised Hans hit his head, perhaps on the steering wheel or something else in the back of the boat and may have been unconscious when he went over and into the water. 

I stand corrected.

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3 minutes ago, hoppy said:

The video was put together by photographer Keith Brash and was shared by Musto. Sailor girl also shared it,. Was she using it for marketing? NO.

It was very appropriate.

Well, it said "From Musto on FB", and I said methinks, and added a caveat too. I am sorry if I got that wrong, but I tried to be very considerate. Perhaps I was influenced by their marketing people lying about Musto's involvement in the Whitbread, but that has nothing to do with it. My bad!

Nevertheless, I was feeling sick seeing his son saying farewell, I am not alone in that, methinks.

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DF still losing ground, so to speak: 98 nm behind. What is the problem?

And Mapre has apparently died its problem with the mast as it has caught up. 

I noted Charles said earlier there was snow on the deck. Now, that makes things very slippery. 

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4 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

I noted Charles said earlier there was snow on the deck. Now, that makes things very slippery. 

Check the video of DF above.  Awesome footage.  Snow in the sail.

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Mapfre only has one canvas on the wheel housing (port).

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Ugo flying the drone into the trough of the wave.

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20 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

DF still losing ground, so to speak: 98 nm behind. What is the problem?

Not losing ground...like everyone else being put to the sword in varying degrees by the Yellow Rocket ....who with that gap have the luxury of going deep in lighter air and looking forward to their last sunrise in the SO.

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35 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

....keeping the traveller locked centre..

That's wipeout begging territory dunc.

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Has Scally changed course heading towards the Horn?  Top left boat I think.  They were headed due East 3 hours ago.

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12 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Check the video of DF above.  Awesome footage.  Snow in the sail.

Yes, I saw that; thought it was snow. 

 

3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Not losing ground...like everyone else being put to the sword in varying degrees by the Yellow Rocket ....who have the luxury of going deep in lighter air and looking forward to their last sunrise in the SO.

Got it. Thanks. 

 

1 hour ago, samc99us said:

My recollection of the incident is Hans was on deck trimming spinnaker, and as a result him and the helmsman were last to go down when a wave washed him overboard. 

From what I have read in various reports, that is also correct. The boat was sailing downwind, Sebastian Josse at the helm, Hans trimming or had just trimmed the spinnaker, and some reports said Nice Bice, Andrew Lewis and Lucas Brun were also on deck. 

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25 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Well, it said "From Musto on FB", and I said methinks, and added a caveat too. I am sorry if I got that wrong, but I tried to be very considerate. Perhaps I was influenced by their marketing people lying about Musto's involvement in the Whitbread, but that has nothing to do with it. My bad!

Nevertheless, I was feeling sick seeing his son saying farewell, I am not alone in that, methinks.

I'd doubt that any professional company associated with sailing will try to use this tragedy for marketing.

On the other hand, trolls and profits of doom bloggers (BH) will use this to enhance their reputations and drive up reader numbers.

 

I would love to see Steve Hayles to run into Brian Hancock right now. 

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4 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Has Scally changed course heading towards the Horn?  Top left boat I think.

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When this first happened, there was a "pleasure boat" that was too far north to be Scally (I think) and was heading to the horn. Same boat probably.

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11 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Has Scally changed course heading towards the Horn?  Top left boat I think.

Disturbing the way you know what my computer is doing. Was just looking at that, then got hung up on the trippiness of the density maps. Ooooh

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Hmm.  Looks similar.  I guess my hope is they had a change of heart and are finishing the race in honor of Fish.

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I hope Witty gets the mental health support he needs.

 

Looking at the race, assuming current standings - race for 2nd and 3rd place will get more interesting with Brunel and Vestas still in it. DF's door for challenging MAPFRE slowly closing.

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52 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Mapfre SO gybe sequence.  Someone was asking.

Thanks. gTrans not much help--Ñeti speaks so quickly :D --, so still wondering about the repair Ñeti and Xabi are doing.

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35 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

That's wipeout begging territory dunc.

why?

No vang in use, sheets eased a fair bit.

The only danger is going too square  with lots of sheet off and having the top twist off fwd of the mast.  I can't see that happening with the  sort of boom angles they use.

 

EDIT: check Donger's traveller pos here.  Only a foot or two off centre

 

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21 minutes ago, hoppy said:

I would love to see Steve Hayles to run into Brian Hancock right now. 

I think NorBowGirl's ancestoral thinking is along the lines of the "Blood Eagle".

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4 minutes ago, stief said:

gTrans not much help, so still wondering about the repair Ñeti and Xabi are doing.

Another clue.

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14 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Hmm.  Looks similar.  I guess my hope is they had a change of heart and are finishing the race in honor of Fish.

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They'd be wanting to stay well out of the system that's coming up behind them first before coming around the corner. Probably just on opposite gybe running downwind.

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1 minute ago, albanyguy said:

They'd be wanting to stay well out of the system that's coming up behind them first before coming around the corner. Probably just on opposite gybe running downwind.

Probably right.

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20 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

why?

No vang in use, sheets eased a fair bit.

The only danger is going too square  with lots of sheet off and having the top twist off fwd of the mast.  I can't see that happening with the  sort of boom angles they use.

using the center-third of the traveller would put less emphasis on the mainsheet, split the workload. it'd be that much easier to control the main.

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10 hrs projected for Horn rounding; order unchanged since last sked.

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Rounding is going to be a relief but quite frankly until they find the right side of a high off Argentina it is not going to be fun. With the pace Yellow Rocket has shown in sporty uphill conditions at beginning of Leg 6, she might be a distant memory by the time they are past the Falklands. The others are going to have to scrap it out for the crumbs in less than enjoyable conditions until then.

 

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15 minutes ago, Miffy said:

I hope Witty gets the mental health support he needs.

Traditionally males are not as open to asking for help as females.

A psychologist would help unpack any negative thoughts & keep a great eye on how things develop, a sudden death will take about a month for the fog to lift & that's Joe Public on land.

They would also be able to screen for any issues down the track such as reactive depressions PTSD & refer on.

Much better than showing up to a GP & getting pills as a crutch with no other follow up/assessment.

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14 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Steif, I think it's a mast track car.

Yes, I got that. Well played. btw, did you enjoy the gtrans transcript? Thought you'd  get a chuckle. Ñeti spoke so quickly earlier that the translator rightly choked.

IN any case, great shots, especially the drone views. Driving down the waves not quite as gripping as the DFRT sequence you posted above the MAPF one, but impressive how much the OBRs have developed this edition.

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1 hour ago, despacio avenue said:

DF still losing ground, so to speak: 98 nm behind. What is the problem?

And Mapre has apparently died its problem with the mast as it has caught up. 

I noted Charles said earlier there was snow on the deck. Now, that makes things very slippery. 

Scroll back the tracker. DF was sailing a higher course then the rest of the fleet. Also note Brunel has been sailing a bit deeper then the rest of the fleet consistently. When I checked this morning, Vestas had been sailing deeper too, but not with the consistency of Brunel. Haven't scrolled back to see how deep Vestas was sailing compared to the fleet, since this morning, but I did look at Brunel, they've been sailing deeper then the rest of the fleet for a while, especially so the past 24+ hrs. That's also some good driving, if they're not sailing so deep that they stuff the wave in front of them in these conditions, thus putting on the brakes.

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27 minutes ago, boomer said:

Scroll back the tracker. DF was sailing a higher course then the rest of the fleet. Also note Brunel has been sailing a bit deeper then the rest of the fleet consistently. When I checked this morning, Vestas had been sailing deeper too, but not with the consistency of Brunel. Haven't scrolled back to see how deep Vestas was sailing compared to the fleet, since this morning, but I did look at Brunel, they've been sailing deeper then the rest of the fleet for a while, especially so the past 24+ hrs. That's also some good driving, if they're not sailing so deep that they stuff the wave in front of them in these conditions, thus putting on the brakes.

I just did that (scrolled back the tracker) and, I now see what you and Jack were and are talking about. Thanks both. Wonder why the "new" Brunel; is this the surprise we were told to await? 

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Jack said they're sailing deeper because they have the luxury of lighter winds, however looking at the TWS Brunel has had higher winds on the average, especially today. They're just sailing deeper - period.

As for Brunel: Perhaps a strong desire to get out of the SO and around the horn - but more then likely they've got the lead and are running with it as quickly as they can, or both -  it could be  a whole new race after the rounding - and they know that - and they'll want some distance, to hold off the pack till Itajai.

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1 hour ago, Ozee Adventure said:

Traditionally males are not as open to asking for help as females.

A psychologist would help unpack any negative thoughts & keep a great eye on how things develop, a sudden death will take about a month for the fog to lift & that's Joe Public on land.

They would also be able to screen for any issues down the track such as reactive depressions PTSD & refer on.

Much better than showing up to a GP & getting pills as a crutch with no other follow up/assessment.

For any sort of counselling to work you need insight and motivation.

Most of the time with guys you have to wait a while till they get the message.

There are no pills for this sort of thing.

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1 hour ago, stief said:

Yes, I got that. Well played. btw, did you enjoy the gtrans transcript? Thought you'd  get a chuckle. Ñeti spoke so quickly earlier that the translator rightly choked.

He said they are trying to fix the mast track problem. There is a ripped section of the track. Now they can only use one or two reefs, and they are trying to develop an improvement to move to full main or one reef for the next reaching.

He also explained, they are expecting +40 knots in the incoming night, so they will furl the head sail and only use the J2. In such conditions they will not gybe, but tack full around. They will lose some miles, but they prefer.

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18 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

Brunel will be (maybe) within sight of land.. pretty significant event on board, I imagine.

2.00am now?... might need owl eyes.

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This really sucks for his family and friends, however I hope they can find peace knowing he was a brave man who died doing something he obviously loved and was very good at. 

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4 minutes ago, LuisC said:

He said they are trying to fix the mast track problem. There is a ripped section of the track. Now they can only use one or two reefs, and they are trying to develop an improvement to move to full main or one reef for the next reaching.

He also explained, they are expecting +40 knots in the incoming night, so they will furl the head sail and only use the J2. In such conditions they will not gybe, but tack full around. They will lose some miles, but they prefer.

Gracias.Thanks for the details, especially the plan if in 40 knots.

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1 hour ago, stief said:

Thanks. gTrans not much help--Ñeti speaks so quickly :D --, so still wondering about the repair Ñeti and Xabi are doing.

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Spanish sailor here.

Ñeti says they are sailing in 40/45 kts, with the J2 on the front. Not jibing, just tacking to reduce risks.

They are sailing without the connections between the battens and the cars, in the damaged mast track area. The temporary fix allows a 1 reef or 2 reefs configuration. They are thinking how to rig it for a full main/1 reef config.

Expecting some reaching conditions, Also they are inventing some way to increase the luff tension and get the luff close to the mast (remember they have removed the studs between the cars and the batten receptacle.

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FWIW, helm netting pic links, thanks to JBC and helper. First column gives all the team pics, 2nd column to a net pic (or helm pic if no net easily spotted).  Didn't notice any from leg 3, or nets behind the helm, but didn't check carefully. "Tanker bow wave breaker" turned out to be an optical illusion

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AKZO http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8296.html
DFRT http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8417.html
SHKS http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8177.html
TBRU http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8501.html
MAPF http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8064.html
TTOP http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8393.html
VS11 http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8512.html

g'night. safe watch all. Landmark moments in a few hours.

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Subject to a trillion things of course, but if Scally was to get things sorted and out of Puerto Montt early next week then there is a weather window for a quick trip to Brazil in time for a boat refresh and starting Leg 8. 

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1 minute ago, silex said:

Spanish sailor here.

Ñeti says they are sailing in 40/45 kts, with the J2 on the front. Not jibing, just tacking to reduce risks.

They are sailing without the connections between the battens and the cars, in the damaged mast track area. The temporary fix allows a 1 reef or 2 reefs configuration. They are thinking how to rig it for a full main/1 reef config.

Expecting some reaching conditions, Also they are inventing some way to increase the luff tension and get the luff close to the mast (remember they have removed the studs between the cars and the batten receptacle.

Thanks! Luff info makes sense of some of the pics recently. Best news is that they don't seem to be talking about the pit stop they had mentioned earlier.

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So my question now is, given what Mapre is still dealing with, how are they able to keep pace or better with DFRT?

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11 minutes ago, stief said:

FWIW, helm netting pic links, thanks to JBC and helper. First column gives all the team pics, 2nd column to a net pic (or helm pic if no net easily spotted).  Didn't notice any from leg 3, or nets behind the helm, but didn't check carefully.

AKZO http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8296.html
DFRT http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8417.html
SHKS http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8177.html
TBRU http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8501.html
MAPF http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8064.html
TTOP http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8393.html
VS11 http://vor.jbcsystems.com/photo/8512.html

g'night. safe watch all. Landmark moments in a few hours.

They all have these on the back as well, some like Vestas are super small, Scallywag have notably the biggest - all for helping crew from getting swept.  

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1 hour ago, boomer said:

Jack said they're sailing deeper because they have the luxury of lighter winds, however looking at the TWS Brunel has had higher winds on the average, especially today. They're just sailing deeper - period.

As for Brunel: Perhaps a strong desire to get out of the SO and around the horn - but more then likely they've got the lead and are running with it as quickly as they can, or both -  it could be  a whole new race after the rounding - and they know that - and they'll want some distance, to hold off the pack till Itajai.

Yes Boomer I commented on this 4 or 5 pages back. The triple reefed main seems to give clear air to the fore sails amongst other benefits.

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notice Brunel is over the continental shelf, wonder if that alters the sea state any?

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1 hour ago, boomer said:

Jack said they're sailing deeper because they have the luxury of lighter winds, however looking at the TWS Brunel has had higher winds on the average, especially today. 

Boom I was only attributing that to last sked where they now have softer stuff and the "luxury" was the gap they had built up so could go a bit deeper albeit slower, but with good VMG all the same. Apart from a superior set up, Capey has been playing the angles like Mozart.

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On the last Live, Ian Walker talked about the tough conditions he faced as skipper of Green Dragon in the 2008 edition. Quite a few parallels to recent moments in this race.

Here are some excerpts Mark Chisnell wrote about that time. Sorry for the length--ran out of time to trim more.

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“[After a pit stop for repairs] everyone on Green Dragon felt the pressure to get to Qingdao. They had several Chinese sponsors, and it was home to their media crew, Guo Chuan [RIP]. And the boat had been built in China, at the McConaghy factory in Zuhui. As the team’s project manager, Tom Braidwood had taken his family to live there with him, although he had barely seen them for six months, what with working 16-hour days to get finished on time. But now, if they could get to the mainland, it would make a final repair that much easier, as a new frame could be trucked up from the factory.
Green Dragon returned to the race a little more than 24 hours after suffering the damage. Delta Lloyd followed her out of Salomague Bay less than half an hour later. [Neal] McDonald commented afterwards that the Green Dragon crew had, “raised the no heroes flag” and were doing everything they could to nurse their boat home without damaging the primary structure of the hull panels. Unfortunately, they weren’t quite gentle enough. Green Dragon’s bulkhead cracked again, above the original repair, and Tom Braidwood went back to work even as they struggled onwards.”

Seven boats had sailed up the coast of Luzon on the morning of 24 January [2009]; just five boats had ventured out into the strait. And by the time a spectacular blue sky darkened to the blackest of nights, only one of them was still going. From the wheel of Telefónica Blue, the only thing visible to Jonathan Swain was the white of the huge breaking crests bearing down on them. The instruments recorded waves over 14 metres high, the height of a three-storey building. The anemometer had topped out at a wind speed of 55 knots before disintegrating. But getting through those initial hours proved crucial; as they learned the lessons, their chances of survival rapidly increased. Now they had the correct balance of sail area – three reefs in the mainsail and a storm jib – giving just enough speed to steer around the worst of the breaking crests, but not so much that they flew off the backs of the waves and became dangerously airborne.

They learned to cant the keel the wrong way, forcing the boat to heel more than it would have otherwise, so that when it did take off it landed on soft curves and not the flat bottom. The stack of sails was no longer required to help keep the boat upright, so they hauled them down below, safe from the walls of grey water washing down the deck. The daggerboards were pulled up a little to let the boat slide sideways more, going with the flow, rather than fighting the storm’s energy. Wedged into his bunk, Bekking was feeling every wave and wrote, “In these conditions, down below is the best way to feel how big the crashes are, and when to throttle back.” A couple of times, Bekking stepped in to stop them from putting up bigger sails. But it was the watch captains, Swain and Spanish Olympic gold medallist Iker Martínez, who bore the brunt of the responsibility for keeping the boat in one piece as they negotiated one ugly wave after another.

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All the skippers were wrestling with the same issues of responsibility – but it was Green Dragon’s Ian Walker that captured them most eloquently in an email written while they battled their way to Qingdao in their damaged boat: "The helmsman had a near impossible task to try and steer around waves he couldn't see, but could maybe sense or feel. For those down below they had to listen to the crashing and banging and endure the terrible moments when you feel the boat go up in the air and you are waiting to see how hard it lands.

“Lying in a bunk is hard enough, sleeping next to impossible. I couldn't rest, spending much of my time up in the bow monitoring the repair and any flexing of the bow panels. This has been my biggest challenge ever as a skipper. The responsibility of the boat, the program, the sponsors and, of course, potentially the lives of those on board rest in your hands and decisions.
“Should we stop and let conditions abate? Should we press on? How fast should we go? What are the wind and waves going to do? Which route should we take to get most shelter? How much punishment can the boat take? Are we doing the right thing?

Excerpts From: Chisnell, Mark. “Spanish Castle to White Night.” 

 

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18 minutes ago, stief said:

Wedged into his bunk, Bekking was feeling every wave and wrote, “In these conditions, down below is the best way to feel how big the crashes are, and when to throttle back.” A couple of times, Bekking stepped in to stop them from putting up bigger sails.

Thanks stief. This bit ^^^^ is insightfull wind forward to today.

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54 minutes ago, silex said:

Ñeti says they are sailing in 40/45 kts, with the J2 on the front. Not jibing, just tacking to reduce risks.

Also in light of Stief’s piece above, it takes exceptional and seasoned leadership to assess and then stick to your set limits, especially taking part in a race you very much would like to win. It is very tempting to keep pushing and not hold back. This coming from Mapfre isn’t a surprise, they have shown a professional attitude all along. Admirable. 

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Not sure if below has been posted here before :

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12022297

 

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Team Sun Hung Kai/Scallywag have released details of how sailor John Fisher went overboard during the seventh leg of the Volvo Ocean Race.

Fisher is presumed "lost at sea" after falling from the boat 1400 nautical miles west of Cape Horn in gale force conditions.

"This is the worst situation you can imagine happening to your team," said SHK/Scallywag team manager Tim Newton who has spoken with skipper David Witt and navigator Libby Greenhalgh about what happened on Monday.

"We are absolutely heartbroken for John's family and friends. I know for David, he has lost his best friend. It's devastating."

 

The team have released a timeline of events which said that at the time of the incident, weather conditions were 35-45 knots with 4-5m seas with showers reducing visibility. It was 15 minutes before sunrise.

Scallywag surfed down a large wave leading to an accidental crash gybe. Fisher had moved to tidy up a sheet and had unclipped his tether when the mainsheet system knocked him of the boat.

The crew believe he was unconscious from the blow before he hit the water.

Two buoys were thrown off the boat to mark his position but it took some time to get the boat under control and back to the mark.

A search and rescue operation was carried out for several hours but there was no sign of Fisher, the horseshoe buoy, or the JON buoy, the team said.

Newton says the team is distraught but has a clear focus on getting the crew and boat back to shore.

 

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1 hour ago, despacio avenue said:

So my question now is, given what Mapre is still dealing with, how are they able to keep pace or better with DFRT?

My understanding is that they can happily sail with one or two reefs which suits them perfectly in the current conditions - lets face it, no one is sailing with more than that! The key question is: can they shake out to a full main once they round the cape and into lighter conditions?

Clearly they are "working on it". Am hoping they can perhaps point into the wind, pull the main all the way, then strap the track down against the mast before moving on. This is my lay and naive assessment - just trying to think how I'd do it in a small boat.

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9 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Jesus ....the Yellow Rocket just got the header from hell and Mapfre the lift from God. Game on.

yeah. their vmg just dropped like a stone

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Quick Fix is up on line on the VOR Racing site. Live report from Mapre included. Bouwe w/o sleep for 14 hrs. Brunel got w/i 14 (40?) miles of coast of Chile.

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typo

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29 minutes ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

My understanding is that they can happily sail with one or two reefs which suits them perfectly in the current conditions - lets face it, no one is sailing with more than that! The key question is: can they shake out to a full main once they round the cape and into lighter conditions?

Clearly they are "working on it". Am hoping they can perhaps point into the wind, pull the main all the way, then strap the track down against the mast before moving on. This is my lay and naive assessment - just trying to think how I'd do it in a small boat.

Problem is with straps you have to unstrap/restrap every time you want to reef/unreef ...

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Brunel! gooooooooo, it is now or never, come on! Do it!

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Brunel ate a lot of shit last sked.

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