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VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

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6 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Yeas.  Can't do much with just over 100 miles and 5 miles apart.

Front page of the Volvo site says 321 miles to go. :wacko:

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Just now, mad said:

Front page of the Volvo site says 321 miles to go. :wacko:

I thought the stealth cut off was 200 miles from the finish.  200 + 100 = 300

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8 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

With the mixture of conditions since the Horn if Brunel was going be shown up it would have occured by now. 

However that hasn't materialised which makes their pretty ordinary showing up until this leg really puzzeling. 

I'm starting to think that they don't even really know what caused that under performance in the first 6 legs.

maybe it was a shitty mainsail

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The Portland Baroque Orchestra does an awesome Messiah each Xmas season, all on "period" instruments.  Worth attending just to see the violins and harpsichord during break.

/drift off/

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3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Southern still uses Leagues.

Once the leading boat on a leg is within 200 nautical miles of the finish line, Stealth Mode is over for all boats. 

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5 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Once the leading boat on a leg is within 200 nautical miles of the finish line, Stealth Mode is over for all boats. 

 

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I’m confused, there’s no stealth mode anymore anyway. And I’m still seeing 300 plus to go. 

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Mad, am I missing something (Easter egg hunt party hangover).  Don't they still have an opportunity to go stealth for 117 miles if it was still allowed?

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I would have guessed that persistent performance issues to be setup issues below deck - ballast tank use/keel adjustments. With so many experienced sail trimmers and the opportunity to look at each others' sail combos, probably the stuff you can't observe that made the difference.

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1 minute ago, southerncross said:

Mad, am I missing something (Easter egg hunt party hangover).  Don't they still have an opportunity to go stealth for 117 miles if it was still allowed?

Well as they don’t, it seems a pointless discussion. 

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In other news, I've been periodically checking MarineTraffic to see if there is any sign of Scallywag. Nada, not even a satellite position in the approximate area of their tracker location. When I refreshed to page just now, a new ship appeared, heading out to sea at 20 knots in the direction of Scallywag. It is the "Puerto Montt", a Chilean patrol vessel. Perhaps going out to escort them in?

 

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12 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Except they replaced it in HK not Auckland.

oh yeah, whoops. It all seems so long ago.

 

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Just now, Rennmaus said:

Hasn't VOR abolished the Stealth Mode altogether?

That is what I was remembering. Was just searching for a reference, to no avail.

Paging Stief to the white courtesy phone...

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3 minutes ago, Forestdawg said:

That is what I was remembering. Was just searching for a reference, to no avail.

Paging Stief to the white courtesy phone...

See my edit above your post.

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Just like home, nobody reads the SIs:

28. POSITION REPORTS ON A LEG
 
28.1 Race control will attempt to send a fleet position report in .TXT format to all Boats at approximately six hour intervals. Failure to receive such information is not grounds for redress. This changes RRS 62.1 (a). 
 28.2 Boats may elect to have their position reports not published for three consecutive scheduled 6 hourly reports. However reports will not be withheld whenever a boat is within 200 miles of the Leg finish.
 28.3 Should Boat’s automated position reporting fail, the Boat shall report its position to race control, giving, course, boatspeed, windspeed and direction at 0045 or 1245 UTC until the equipment is repaired or until the Boat finishes.

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^^ Thanks SC, I’m still not able to embed the vids from the raw. What am I doing wrong? :wacko:

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1 minute ago, Varan said:

Just like home, nobody reads the SIs:

28. POSITION REPORTS ON A LEG
 
28.1 Race control will attempt to send a fleet position report in .TXT format to all Boats at approximately six hour intervals. Failure to receive such information is not grounds for redress. This changes RRS 62.1 (a). 
 28.2 Boats may elect to have their position reports not published for three consecutive scheduled 6 hourly reports. However reports will not be withheld whenever a boat is within 200 miles of the Leg finish.
 28.3 Should Boat’s automated position reporting fail, the Boat shall report its position to race control, giving, course, boatspeed, windspeed and direction at 0045 or 1245 UTC until the equipment is repaired or until the Boat finishes.

and that was the first place i started my search only used the wrong search words, was searching for stealth mode

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2 minutes ago, A Boy Named Stu said:

So they do pay attention to some things we care/bitch about!!!!

as to the escort for Scally," if indeed correct,

? Boat has more damage than we have been told? ( The Jack Nicholson VOR approach)

? Take the crew off for debriefing? Not sure who has jurisdiction for those waters... methinks Aus/NZ... but an unnatural death probably has some legal sequelae... never mind the psychological.

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A few short hours after leaving Stanley Harbour, Falkland Islands, we had a mechanical issue and needed to return to port to further assess and make necessary repairs. Given the long journey ahead, it is key that our VO65 is technically sound before making its way up the South American coast to Itajaí. More updates to follow.
 

 

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3 minutes ago, Elisa said:

^^ Thanks SC, I’m still not able to embed the vids from the raw. What am I doing wrong? :wacko:

You try to embed the Raws from the website (html), whereas SC uses the YouTube link. The former cannot be embedded, the latter can be embedded like any other YouTube video.

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14 minutes ago, mdeh said:

? Boat has more damage than we have been told? ( The Jack Nicholson VOR approach)

I wondered about this last page.  They have been doing 6 -7 knots? (is this right) the whole way which is slower being under sail in those conditions.  Motoring speed except for the changing angles of their approach.

Several explanations for this including a damaged boat. 

Hope they get off the boat sooner then later.

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The Puerto Montt has slowed down to 10 and is close to the SKHS position shown in Varan's post above.

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Sure feels like Dong backed off a bit. Surely Brunel cannot be that much faster. Hope they are resting up, eating well, taking care of the boat and getting ready for that last 100 mile sprint to the finish.

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Random, if you are going to troll, you need to keep up. There is no stealth mode anymore.

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Just now, Admirals said:

Did Brunel get their AIS back?

Not sure. There was an attempt at fixing.  

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3 minutes ago, Forestdawg said:

Random, if you are going to troll, you need to keep up. There is no stealth mode anymore.

Random makes many of these mistakes in most threads and subjects he claims to know about. It’s where his trolling is truly exposed. 

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3 minutes ago, Admirals said:

Did Brunel get their AIS back?

They don’t need it, just need to keep that red mast light behind them..:P

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2 minutes ago, Elisa said:

They don’t need it, just need to keep that red mast light behind them..:P

But it would be good know if there was traffic ahead.

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1 minute ago, Varan said:

But it would be good know if there was traffic ahead.

Sure, was just joking... it is the nerves and my flu from hell. It is unknown whether Abby was able to fix it. I can imagine they won’t tell till after they finish. 

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Forestdawg, what ya got?  Looks they're still on the move?  Changing angles/slow speed.  Could Scally be under a jury rig?

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Quizz Time...a virtual carton of beer is on the table for who is this?

 

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Probably already answered. But I'll guess Sophie.

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Last I recall regarding the Brunel AIS issues is this:

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Abby just went up to the rig for the first time to do a rig check, very bouncy, so armed with a helmet and lots of clothing on up she went. We clipped her onto the genoa halyard so that in case she would lose her grip, she wouldn't "fly" away from the rig. But she went up like a monkey in her element. She stayed way too long up at the top of the rig to my liking, but she was adamant to fix the AIS. If she managed we will find out if a ship comes in the vicinity. Then she scrutineered the rest of the rig as good as possible, no obvious issues she could see.

From the Bouwe Blog #66

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I'm trying to figure out a way to pass along the news of the Maphre Cape Horn repair to our local marine trades folks . . 

Who take for-freakin'-EVER to get stuff done. 

Just kidding, mostly. Very impressive work by the espanoles - especially at that location !

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11 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Forestdawg, what ya got?  Looks they're still on the move?  Changing angles/slow speed.  Could Scally be under a jury rig?

Sorry, was on a lunch break. Just refreshed MarineTraffic and nothing has changed regarding the Puerto Montt but there is now a "Tug/Special Craft" in the area. Position received by satellite so there is no vessel info available.

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37 minutes ago, Elisa said:

^^ Thanks SC, I’m still not able to embed the vids from the raw. What am I doing wrong? :wacko:

If you use the pretty front-end for the spreadsheet and click through to the individual page for a video, it gives you a view like this:

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Click on the little pop-out arrow in the upper righthand corner:

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... and it should give you the YouTube URL, like so: 

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Copy that link, paste it in the body of your post here (as "plain text"), and voilà: Embedded YouTube video.

 There are probably a bunch of other ways to do it. But that's how I do it.

Also, side note: Spreadsheet tagging is (finally) all caught up again. Yay me!

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Thanks again JBC.  Not only convenient, it saves on bandwidth (photos) making it easier for some with low bandwidth to follow.

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Only shame about the modern era - lack of musical instruments on board. 

With the gap between DF & Brunel - if I were DF, I'd have a dragon boat drummer at the bow hammering away while my sleeping crew wear those Bose headphones.

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11 minutes ago, Forestdawg said:

Sorry, was on a lunch break. Just refreshed MarineTraffic and nothing has changed regarding the Puerto Montt but there is now a "Tug/Special Craft" in the area. Position received by satellite so there is no vessel info available.

Don't forget that Scallywag reported issues with their AIS earlier in the leg.  As far a I am aware they have just been sailing conservatively due to being emotionally and physically knackered.  No other issues reported.

 

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2 minutes ago, Potter said:

Don't forget that Scallywag reported issues with their AIS earlier in the leg.  As far a I am aware they have just been sailing conservatively due to being emotionally and physically knackered.  No other issues reported.

 

I do recall that about their AIS. Now the "tug/special craft" has stopped, right about in SKHS last position. No recent update for the patrol boat.

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6 hours ago, Qingdaosog said:

Incidentally Newbie alert! I am in awe of you folk who have brought this race alive for me. You know who you are! (And you know who are not....)

you're welcome.

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^^ Thank you JBC, I shall give this a try soon. :)

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5 minutes ago, Potter said:

Don't forget that Scallywag reported issues with their AIS earlier in the leg.  As far a I am aware they have just been sailing conservatively due to being emotionally and physically knackered.  No other issues reported.

 

It'll be mighty considerate of the Chileans if they could get the clearances and formalities out of the way with the patrol boat while it is being escorted in without the crew being asked to run from office to office... 

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6 minutes ago, Miffy said:

It'll be mighty considerate of the Chileans if they could get the clearances and formalities out of the way with the patrol boat while it is being escorted in without the crew being asked to run from office to office... 

I’d hope that Volvo and the Team have managed to deal with as much as possible in advance, they’ve had a few days to speak to embassies and consulates about organising visas etc. 

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Both models showing a light wind patch ahead of Brunel. Maybe dong's strategy is to drive Brunel into the lighter winds, jibe to shore and do an end-around :). More likely, local conditions differ from the forecasts.

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Straight into the coffee this early morning, with a banana and a lot of ketchup, topped with stealth mode sour cream. Jesus, can't you guys keep up, and then you natter on and on about it. Gone hand out some no-licky's !

Next, let me declare my allegiance, as too many frogs here root for the Dong. My great grand parents were 100% Frisians (north province of the Netherlands), and so is Bouwe. And Bouwe is always positive (now more than ever of course), so Brunel it is. They also need the double/extra points a lot more than Dong. I do also like the philosophical spirit of Charles, so a well deserved 2nd for them.

Nice to see the tracker go Live early, a good decision to distract from Vestas' trouble, and Scally's arriving in Puerto Montt perhaps. Will not get any work done today though.

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10 minutes ago, Varan said:

Both models showing a light wind patch ahead of Brunel. Maybe dong's strategy is to drive Brunel into the lighter winds, jibe to shore and do an end-around :). More likely, local conditions differ from the forecasts.

I was expecting Brunel to gybe but apparently they see a way through the light patch that we don’t. 

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1 hour ago, ModernViking said:
A few short hours after leaving Stanley Harbour, Falkland Islands, we had a mechanical issue and needed to return to port to further assess and make necessary repairs. Given the long journey ahead, it is key that our VO65 is technically sound before making its way up the South American coast to Itajaí. More updates to follow.
 

 

I read someplace above that Vestas was limited to 6 knots motoring speed?  That sounds ridiculous as their hull speed should be above 10 knots, but it certaily looks more like 6 knots than 10 knots in that pic.  While I realize these are 0ne-design boats, they could easily do better with proper equipment at minimal loss of performance. 

To my knowledge, the basic rule has been to require off-shore boats to be able to motor at least 90% of hull speed.   I believe they have a 75 hp engine on board so something has to be wrong with the spec'd prop or the prop pitch setting.  A properly selected two-bladed prop can easily get a boat up to 90% hull speed or better.

That is (was?) the rule on Transpac, and other IRC/ORC (and back to IOR events) I've been in.  I remember one time we barely made the requirement in dead flat water inside the Long Beach breakwater for the Transpac some races ago. The inspector passed us but was not impressed.

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The patrol vessel Puerto Montt now heading back shorewards, at 17.4 knots. The "tug/special craft" has disappeared.

@Varan yes, see my earlier post, I updated it a while ago with the vessel details.

Time to take the dog for a walk.

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1 minute ago, Left Shift said:

I read someplace above that Vestas was limited to 6 knots motoring speed?  That sounds ridiculous as their hull speed should be above 10 knots

Something to do with rate of fuel consumption and what they can carry?

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Just now, southerncross said:

Something to do with rate of fuel consumption and what they can carry?

And trying to motor in any sort of sea state without a mast, on a hull designed for sailing & a keel... rather optimistic expect the boat and crew to want to go faster than 8 knots.

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IN the meantime is Brunel hitting lower pressure and slowing down... wait it shows a TWS of 25 while speed is 18?

 

EDIT: must have been a puff, but over the last 10 minutes TWS has been lower for Brunel, while fir the last couple of hours they had consistently 2 knots more than DF

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11 minutes ago, Miffy said:

And trying to motor in any sort of sea state without a mast, on a hull designed for sailing & a keel... rather optimistic expect the boat and crew to want to go faster than 8 knots.

And motoring with max wetted surface area as well. 

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6 minutes ago, mad said:

And motoring with max wetted surface area as well. 

Which makes you wonder, why not cant the keel and induce some heel to reduce wetted surface provided you can keep the prop immersed. May be more comfortable too.

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7 minutes ago, mad said:

And motoring with max wetted surface area as well. 

Unless they use the keel to heel the boat. I am not sure that's actually a good idea, as the engine won't be as well lubricated. Actually, I don't think that the odds of getting to Itajai without some form of mechanical issue are that high. 1500NM at 6 knots is 250 hours of non stop motoring.

Edit : cross post with Varan!

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30 minutes ago, Varan said:

Both models showing a light wind patch ahead of Brunel. Maybe dong's strategy is to drive Brunel into the lighter winds, jibe to shore and do an end-around :). More likely, local conditions differ from the forecasts.

 

19 minutes ago, Elisa said:

I was expecting Brunel to gybe but apparently they see a way through the light patch that we don’t. 

That light patch seems to slowly move out of the way, on both trackers, EC and GFS.

EC model would have updated 30 min. ago, and GFS a couple of hours ago, so they might be relatively accurate. And they were pretty much spot on with that high were Map and Top are caught in.

Anyway, it's pretty much match racing for them, and one small light patch for Brunel will give a passing lane for the Dong, and then the other way around. Good stuff!

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6 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

 

That light patch seems to slowly move out of the way, on both trackers, EC and GFS.

EC model would have updated 30 min. ago, and GFS a couple of hours ago, so they might be relatively accurate. And they were pretty much spot on with that high were Map and Top are caught in.

Anyway, it's pretty much match racing for them, and one small light patch for Brunel will give a passing lane for the Dong, and then the other way around. Good stuff!

Yes, I can see that now with the EC update. There is also a cloud nearby, and you are right, one little slip up is all it takes

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6 nm lead with 250 to go, Red boat gonna need a wind gift cause they're not going to grind em down at 2.5% faster.  Not since the new main anyway.  BR were fast outa Hong Kong, just made a bad call cutting the corner at NC.

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20 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Yeah DF is regaining ! :)

I think that they are just going through some patches of varying wind. DF to overtake Brunel needs a bit of luck now. At the end there seems to be a patch of lightwind and it might be easier for DF to find a way round them there.

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24 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Scally inside.

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Canal Chacao between the island of Chiloe to the south and the mainland to the north has massive tidal currents, upwards of 10 knots. You have to time it right.

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Vestas. Apparently these drive legs vibrate like hell at boat speeds over 20 knots... They have just done a lot of miles at over 20 with the thing giving itself a good thrashing... My guess that maybe has something to do with it.

Talk.of flying in a complete leg and craneing the boat out to change it. 

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3 minutes ago, littlechay said:

Canal Chacao between the island of Chiloe to the south and the mainland to the north has massive tidal currents, upwards of 10 knots. You have to time it right.

And you don't want to end up on Chiloe, it's a bit like Tasmania, you know... ;)

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2 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

And you don't want to end up on Chiloe, it's a bit like Tasmania, you know... ;)

I got invited to a pig killing there once (well on one of the Buta Chaques islands on the inside) and then a curanto (cooking in the ground). Was fun but the pig didn't enjoy it much!

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5 minutes ago, littlechay said:

Vestas. Apparently these drive legs vibrate like hell at boat speeds over 20 knots... They have just done a lot of miles at over 20 with the thing giving itself a good thrashing... My guess that maybe has something to do with it.

Talk.of flying in a complete leg and craneing the boat out to change it. 

Surely someone at Volvo and the boatyard would be aware of that?

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To DTL numbers in the Tracker keep changing rapidly, it went in the course of 15 minutes from 6.5 to 7.5 to 5.5

In the meantime the speed of both boats are fairly consistent...

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I've mentioned this before but will say it gain: one of the joys of following this race is the random bits of geography that pop up to be learned about.

From Lonely Planet:

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Isla Grande de Chiloé is South America's fifth-largest island and is home to a fiercely independent, seafaring people.

Immediately apparent are changes in architecture and cuisine: tejuelas, the famous Chilote wood shingles; palafitos (houses mounted on stilts along the water's edge); the iconic wooden churches (16 of which are Unesco World Heritage sites); and the renowned meat, potato and seafood stew, curanto. A closer look reveals a rich spiritual culture that is based on a distinctive mythology of witchcraft, ghost ships and forest gnomes.

 

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DTL change at 0.1 mile / minute would imply speed delta of more then 6 kts for as long as a minute we only get to see instantaneous numbers. At the rate we're seeing must be good surfing speed bouts in between.

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15 minutes ago, mad said:

Surely someone at Volvo and the boatyard would be aware of that?

TBH I would question the experience of the crew if they were trying to steam 20 knots. 

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5 minutes ago, Miffy said:

TBH I would question the experience of the crew if they were trying to steam 20 knots. 

I believe he was referring to vibrations BEFORE the pit-stop contributing to the problems they are now seeing.

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10 minutes ago, Miffy said:

TBH I would question the experience of the crew if they were trying to steam 20 knots. 

You joking........aren’t you??

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