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VOR Leg 7 Auckland to Itajai

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Quizz Time...a virtual carton of beer is on the table for who is this?

 

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Probably already answered. But I'll guess Sophie.

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Last I recall regarding the Brunel AIS issues is this:

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Abby just went up to the rig for the first time to do a rig check, very bouncy, so armed with a helmet and lots of clothing on up she went. We clipped her onto the genoa halyard so that in case she would lose her grip, she wouldn't "fly" away from the rig. But she went up like a monkey in her element. She stayed way too long up at the top of the rig to my liking, but she was adamant to fix the AIS. If she managed we will find out if a ship comes in the vicinity. Then she scrutineered the rest of the rig as good as possible, no obvious issues she could see.

From the Bouwe Blog #66

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I'm trying to figure out a way to pass along the news of the Maphre Cape Horn repair to our local marine trades folks . . 

Who take for-freakin'-EVER to get stuff done. 

Just kidding, mostly. Very impressive work by the espanoles - especially at that location !

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11 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Forestdawg, what ya got?  Looks they're still on the move?  Changing angles/slow speed.  Could Scally be under a jury rig?

Sorry, was on a lunch break. Just refreshed MarineTraffic and nothing has changed regarding the Puerto Montt but there is now a "Tug/Special Craft" in the area. Position received by satellite so there is no vessel info available.

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37 minutes ago, Elisa said:

^^ Thanks SC, I’m still not able to embed the vids from the raw. What am I doing wrong? :wacko:

If you use the pretty front-end for the spreadsheet and click through to the individual page for a video, it gives you a view like this:

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Click on the little pop-out arrow in the upper righthand corner:

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... and it should give you the YouTube URL, like so: 

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Copy that link, paste it in the body of your post here (as "plain text"), and voilà: Embedded YouTube video.

 There are probably a bunch of other ways to do it. But that's how I do it.

Also, side note: Spreadsheet tagging is (finally) all caught up again. Yay me!

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Thanks again JBC.  Not only convenient, it saves on bandwidth (photos) making it easier for some with low bandwidth to follow.

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Only shame about the modern era - lack of musical instruments on board. 

With the gap between DF & Brunel - if I were DF, I'd have a dragon boat drummer at the bow hammering away while my sleeping crew wear those Bose headphones.

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11 minutes ago, Forestdawg said:

Sorry, was on a lunch break. Just refreshed MarineTraffic and nothing has changed regarding the Puerto Montt but there is now a "Tug/Special Craft" in the area. Position received by satellite so there is no vessel info available.

Don't forget that Scallywag reported issues with their AIS earlier in the leg.  As far a I am aware they have just been sailing conservatively due to being emotionally and physically knackered.  No other issues reported.

 

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2 minutes ago, Potter said:

Don't forget that Scallywag reported issues with their AIS earlier in the leg.  As far a I am aware they have just been sailing conservatively due to being emotionally and physically knackered.  No other issues reported.

 

I do recall that about their AIS. Now the "tug/special craft" has stopped, right about in SKHS last position. No recent update for the patrol boat.

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6 hours ago, Qingdaosog said:

Incidentally Newbie alert! I am in awe of you folk who have brought this race alive for me. You know who you are! (And you know who are not....)

you're welcome.

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^^ Thank you JBC, I shall give this a try soon. :)

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5 minutes ago, Potter said:

Don't forget that Scallywag reported issues with their AIS earlier in the leg.  As far a I am aware they have just been sailing conservatively due to being emotionally and physically knackered.  No other issues reported.

 

It'll be mighty considerate of the Chileans if they could get the clearances and formalities out of the way with the patrol boat while it is being escorted in without the crew being asked to run from office to office... 

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6 minutes ago, Miffy said:

It'll be mighty considerate of the Chileans if they could get the clearances and formalities out of the way with the patrol boat while it is being escorted in without the crew being asked to run from office to office... 

I’d hope that Volvo and the Team have managed to deal with as much as possible in advance, they’ve had a few days to speak to embassies and consulates about organising visas etc. 

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Both models showing a light wind patch ahead of Brunel. Maybe dong's strategy is to drive Brunel into the lighter winds, jibe to shore and do an end-around :). More likely, local conditions differ from the forecasts.

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Straight into the coffee this early morning, with a banana and a lot of ketchup, topped with stealth mode sour cream. Jesus, can't you guys keep up, and then you natter on and on about it. Gone hand out some no-licky's !

Next, let me declare my allegiance, as too many frogs here root for the Dong. My great grand parents were 100% Frisians (north province of the Netherlands), and so is Bouwe. And Bouwe is always positive (now more than ever of course), so Brunel it is. They also need the double/extra points a lot more than Dong. I do also like the philosophical spirit of Charles, so a well deserved 2nd for them.

Nice to see the tracker go Live early, a good decision to distract from Vestas' trouble, and Scally's arriving in Puerto Montt perhaps. Will not get any work done today though.

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10 minutes ago, Varan said:

Both models showing a light wind patch ahead of Brunel. Maybe dong's strategy is to drive Brunel into the lighter winds, jibe to shore and do an end-around :). More likely, local conditions differ from the forecasts.

I was expecting Brunel to gybe but apparently they see a way through the light patch that we don’t. 

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1 hour ago, ModernViking said:
A few short hours after leaving Stanley Harbour, Falkland Islands, we had a mechanical issue and needed to return to port to further assess and make necessary repairs. Given the long journey ahead, it is key that our VO65 is technically sound before making its way up the South American coast to Itajaí. More updates to follow.
 

 

I read someplace above that Vestas was limited to 6 knots motoring speed?  That sounds ridiculous as their hull speed should be above 10 knots, but it certaily looks more like 6 knots than 10 knots in that pic.  While I realize these are 0ne-design boats, they could easily do better with proper equipment at minimal loss of performance. 

To my knowledge, the basic rule has been to require off-shore boats to be able to motor at least 90% of hull speed.   I believe they have a 75 hp engine on board so something has to be wrong with the spec'd prop or the prop pitch setting.  A properly selected two-bladed prop can easily get a boat up to 90% hull speed or better.

That is (was?) the rule on Transpac, and other IRC/ORC (and back to IOR events) I've been in.  I remember one time we barely made the requirement in dead flat water inside the Long Beach breakwater for the Transpac some races ago. The inspector passed us but was not impressed.

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The patrol vessel Puerto Montt now heading back shorewards, at 17.4 knots. The "tug/special craft" has disappeared.

@Varan yes, see my earlier post, I updated it a while ago with the vessel details.

Time to take the dog for a walk.

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1 minute ago, Left Shift said:

I read someplace above that Vestas was limited to 6 knots motoring speed?  That sounds ridiculous as their hull speed should be above 10 knots

Something to do with rate of fuel consumption and what they can carry?

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Just now, southerncross said:

Something to do with rate of fuel consumption and what they can carry?

And trying to motor in any sort of sea state without a mast, on a hull designed for sailing & a keel... rather optimistic expect the boat and crew to want to go faster than 8 knots.

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IN the meantime is Brunel hitting lower pressure and slowing down... wait it shows a TWS of 25 while speed is 18?

 

EDIT: must have been a puff, but over the last 10 minutes TWS has been lower for Brunel, while fir the last couple of hours they had consistently 2 knots more than DF

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11 minutes ago, Miffy said:

And trying to motor in any sort of sea state without a mast, on a hull designed for sailing & a keel... rather optimistic expect the boat and crew to want to go faster than 8 knots.

And motoring with max wetted surface area as well. 

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6 minutes ago, mad said:

And motoring with max wetted surface area as well. 

Which makes you wonder, why not cant the keel and induce some heel to reduce wetted surface provided you can keep the prop immersed. May be more comfortable too.

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7 minutes ago, mad said:

And motoring with max wetted surface area as well. 

Unless they use the keel to heel the boat. I am not sure that's actually a good idea, as the engine won't be as well lubricated. Actually, I don't think that the odds of getting to Itajai without some form of mechanical issue are that high. 1500NM at 6 knots is 250 hours of non stop motoring.

Edit : cross post with Varan!

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30 minutes ago, Varan said:

Both models showing a light wind patch ahead of Brunel. Maybe dong's strategy is to drive Brunel into the lighter winds, jibe to shore and do an end-around :). More likely, local conditions differ from the forecasts.

 

19 minutes ago, Elisa said:

I was expecting Brunel to gybe but apparently they see a way through the light patch that we don’t. 

That light patch seems to slowly move out of the way, on both trackers, EC and GFS.

EC model would have updated 30 min. ago, and GFS a couple of hours ago, so they might be relatively accurate. And they were pretty much spot on with that high were Map and Top are caught in.

Anyway, it's pretty much match racing for them, and one small light patch for Brunel will give a passing lane for the Dong, and then the other way around. Good stuff!

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6 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

 

That light patch seems to slowly move out of the way, on both trackers, EC and GFS.

EC model would have updated 30 min. ago, and GFS a couple of hours ago, so they might be relatively accurate. And they were pretty much spot on with that high were Map and Top are caught in.

Anyway, it's pretty much match racing for them, and one small light patch for Brunel will give a passing lane for the Dong, and then the other way around. Good stuff!

Yes, I can see that now with the EC update. There is also a cloud nearby, and you are right, one little slip up is all it takes

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6 nm lead with 250 to go, Red boat gonna need a wind gift cause they're not going to grind em down at 2.5% faster.  Not since the new main anyway.  BR were fast outa Hong Kong, just made a bad call cutting the corner at NC.

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20 minutes ago, yl75 said:

Yeah DF is regaining ! :)

I think that they are just going through some patches of varying wind. DF to overtake Brunel needs a bit of luck now. At the end there seems to be a patch of lightwind and it might be easier for DF to find a way round them there.

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24 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Scally inside.

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Canal Chacao between the island of Chiloe to the south and the mainland to the north has massive tidal currents, upwards of 10 knots. You have to time it right.

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Vestas. Apparently these drive legs vibrate like hell at boat speeds over 20 knots... They have just done a lot of miles at over 20 with the thing giving itself a good thrashing... My guess that maybe has something to do with it.

Talk.of flying in a complete leg and craneing the boat out to change it. 

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3 minutes ago, littlechay said:

Canal Chacao between the island of Chiloe to the south and the mainland to the north has massive tidal currents, upwards of 10 knots. You have to time it right.

And you don't want to end up on Chiloe, it's a bit like Tasmania, you know... ;)

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2 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

And you don't want to end up on Chiloe, it's a bit like Tasmania, you know... ;)

I got invited to a pig killing there once (well on one of the Buta Chaques islands on the inside) and then a curanto (cooking in the ground). Was fun but the pig didn't enjoy it much!

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5 minutes ago, littlechay said:

Vestas. Apparently these drive legs vibrate like hell at boat speeds over 20 knots... They have just done a lot of miles at over 20 with the thing giving itself a good thrashing... My guess that maybe has something to do with it.

Talk.of flying in a complete leg and craneing the boat out to change it. 

Surely someone at Volvo and the boatyard would be aware of that?

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To DTL numbers in the Tracker keep changing rapidly, it went in the course of 15 minutes from 6.5 to 7.5 to 5.5

In the meantime the speed of both boats are fairly consistent...

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I've mentioned this before but will say it gain: one of the joys of following this race is the random bits of geography that pop up to be learned about.

From Lonely Planet:

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Isla Grande de Chiloé is South America's fifth-largest island and is home to a fiercely independent, seafaring people.

Immediately apparent are changes in architecture and cuisine: tejuelas, the famous Chilote wood shingles; palafitos (houses mounted on stilts along the water's edge); the iconic wooden churches (16 of which are Unesco World Heritage sites); and the renowned meat, potato and seafood stew, curanto. A closer look reveals a rich spiritual culture that is based on a distinctive mythology of witchcraft, ghost ships and forest gnomes.

 

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DTL change at 0.1 mile / minute would imply speed delta of more then 6 kts for as long as a minute we only get to see instantaneous numbers. At the rate we're seeing must be good surfing speed bouts in between.

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15 minutes ago, mad said:

Surely someone at Volvo and the boatyard would be aware of that?

TBH I would question the experience of the crew if they were trying to steam 20 knots. 

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5 minutes ago, Miffy said:

TBH I would question the experience of the crew if they were trying to steam 20 knots. 

I believe he was referring to vibrations BEFORE the pit-stop contributing to the problems they are now seeing.

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10 minutes ago, Miffy said:

TBH I would question the experience of the crew if they were trying to steam 20 knots. 

You joking........aren’t you??

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2 minutes ago, mad said:

You joking........aren’t you??

I'm drunk and misread

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Regarding Scully, the "tugs and special craft" vessel has resurfaced ahead of the patrol boat. I wonder if the "live" tracker is really tape delayed? Seems more likely they are being towed in and followed by the patrol boat, but then again, 12 knots may be a bit fast for being towed.

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2 minutes ago, Varan said:

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Regarding Scully, the "tugs and special craft" vessel has resurfaced ahead of the patrol boat. I wonder if the "live" tracker is really tape delayed? Seems more likely they are being towed in and followed by the patrol boat, but then again, 12 knots may be a bit fast for being towed.

It'll be tidal current.

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8 minutes ago, Varan said:

12 knots may be a bit fast for being towed.

Should not be a problem. The girls on Amer Sport 2 were doing 20 kn. behind a Canadian patrol boat, being towed into Halifax after breaking their mast.

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46 minutes ago, littlechay said:

Vestas. Apparently these drive legs vibrate like hell at boat speeds over 20 knots... They have just done a lot of miles at over 20 with the thing giving itself a good thrashing... My guess that maybe has something to do with it.

Talk.of flying in a complete leg and craneing the boat out to change it. 

....time to throw-in that speed prop!  ;)

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Help !   Can someone point me to the 2D/3D tracker please. Searched like mad, but don't see it anymore.

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17 minutes ago, Miffy said:

I'm drunk and misread

Cheers. :lol:

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8 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Should not be a problem. The girls on Amer Sport 2 were doing 20 kn. behind a Canadian patrol boat, being towed into Halifax after breaking their mast.

Not sure they could tow at that speed the whole way, sea conditions would soon stop that. :P

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Dongfeng keeps heading up / changing headings, usually 010 - 015 COG. Brunel has spent the last few hours with a COG of 005

Currently down to 4.5 miles in between them

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2 hours ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Next, let me declare my allegiance, as too many frogs here root for the Dong. My great grand parents were 100% Frisians (north province of the Netherlands), and so is Bouwe. And Bouwe is always positive (now more than ever of course), so Brunel it is. They also need the double/extra points a lot more than Dong. I do also like the philosophical spirit of Charles, so a well deserved 2nd for them.

Well, Fiji... in that case... I’m with you 100%. Were it not for those tough minded, independent thinking Frisians I would not be here. I’m sure you know of what I speak, if not, contact me privately.

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6 minutes ago, mad said:

Not sure they could tow at that speed the whole way, sea conditions would soon stop that. :P

We were talking Scallywag, but it surely would be something to consider for Vestas. They could tow it behind 11th hour Eric Smith's super yacht: 

 

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7 minutes ago, A Boy Named Stu said:

Dongfeng keeps heading up / changing headings, usually 010 - 015 COG. Brunel has spent the last few hours with a COG of 005

Currently down to 4.5 miles in between them

Noticed that too and the track starts to show it now. IF the winds are indeed lighter to the east, Brunel should gain. 

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Update from skipper Charles Caudrelier onboard Dongfeng Race Team:

This morning we can see Brunel a few miles ahead! Those few miles ahead are also where the first place position is, the one we have been looking for since the start and failed so many times over the last few days.

We had a fantastic night sailing at 24 knots. We could have gone faster but we can’t forget about all the breakages and the boats that have suffered around us so much since the start.

Winning the leg would be a fantastic bonus which will give us the lead of the race. But for that we have to finish first and that is what I am going to focus on. No mistakes can be made now.

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10 minutes ago, mdeh said:

Well, Fiji... in that case... I’m with you 100%. Were it not for those tough minded, independent thinking Frisians I would not be here. I’m sure you know of what I speak, if not, contact me privately.

100% Fries, really?  Oh man, my 25% is bad enough, as you may have noticed on this forum !

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6 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Update from skipper Charles Caudrelier onboard Dongfeng Race Team:

This morning we can see Brunel a few miles ahead! Those few miles ahead are also where the first place position is, the one we have been looking for since the start and failed so many times over the last few days.

We had a fantastic night sailing at 24 knots. We could have gone faster but we can’t forget about all the breakages and the boats that have suffered around us so much since the start.

Winning the leg would be a fantastic bonus which will give us the lead of the race. But for that we have to finish first and that is what I am going to focus on. No mistakes can be made now.

Is there a report of what damage they have?  Could they be just holding back a fraction? sounds strange I know. 

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13 minutes ago, mad said:

Is there a report of what damage they have?  Could they be just holding back a fraction? sounds strange I know. 

Don't think he meant that they had any damage in particular, he was thinking more of the other boats. 

I bet he is going full out now, so close to the finish and the extra points within reach !

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5 minutes ago, paps49 said:

Again Brunel able to soak down when necessary.

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Have these guys found a new mode? They were lower a lot compared to the fleet before the horn as well.  

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Lifted about 15 degrees over the last couple hours and DF sailing ~3 degrees higher, gaining a knot or so.  BR coming up to cover a little more aggressively now.  Sure hope the AIS is working so DF don't slip by under cover of darkness.  Hard to see running lights at 5 nm distance.

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Last leg, MF passed DF to weather and then denied the passing lane by luffing, kept the lead all the way to the finish.  Hope BR don't make the same mistake.  Cover, cover, cover.

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Thanks for the updates and info ,all. Ketchup took awhile.  

Just some asides

7 hours ago, mad said:

Using iPad, have closed and reopened, still nothing. :wacko:

DTFs on the iPad, oddly, are in the Menu-> Results-.Ranking. Strange place.  

And +1 to the  questions about the breakdowns. Can't help but wonder if the Boatyard checks in Auckland somehow stumbled with the added pressure of getting VS11 back in the water. And if AKZO's troubles with a new boat showing cracks in the OD building process? Had expected older boats with many more miles to have such problems. As you said, have to wait and hope for more info.

5 hours ago, Forestdawg said:

That is what I was remembering. Was just searching for a reference, to no avail.

No matter now, was easy to miss (posted when the crew lists finally came out). Wondered then why only Shang reacted.

On 2018-03-16 at 11:36 AM, stief said:

Stealth is gone: 

The Volvo Ocean Race General Sailing Instructions 2017-18 Amendment 11, 16 March 2018

https://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/assets/content_v2/media/files/m46743_si-leg-general-inc-amdt-11-20180316.pdf

  1. 28.2  Boats may elect to have their position reports not published for three consecutive scheduled 6 hourly reports. However reports will not be withheld whenever a boat is within 200 miles of the Leg finish.

--such a relief to read so many new posts. 

--MAPF in the handicap class, riding the short bus. Guess this is what para-olympians sprinters see when watching the regular Olympians run.

-and a reminder of all Herman's  routing and ETAs of the past :

 

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1 minute ago, Kenny Dumas said:

DF just found some lighter air and jibed.  Game on.

Will Brunel cover?

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1 hour ago, Fiji Bitter said:

100% Fries, really?  Oh man, my 25% is bad enough, as you may have noticed on this forum !

Not me.... but the people that stuck their necks out... were.

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Burling will have good advice for Capey and Bouwe. Afterguard competition?

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14 minutes ago, Kenny Dumas said:

Hard to see running lights at 5 nm distance.

Should be possible with those LED Hella Masthead lights, and don't forget the radar. 

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A gybing duel at night would be sooo cool, but they are headed toward a veer with more pressure. Brunel did well to stick to the dong.

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Big wind gradient out there, they both dropped down to 17 TWS but got back to 20+ shortly after jibing

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4 minutes ago, stief said:

Burling will have good advice for Capey and Bouwe. Afterguard competition?

No doubt that Burling will now be their top helmsman, might be a decisive factor in the end sprint.

Capey will drink coffee, and Bouwe will scratch his skull to bits...

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5 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

Capey will drink coffee, and Bouwe will scratch his skull to bits...

If Bouwe did that to me I would kick him in the nuts

 

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5 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Reading posts about stealth was like arriving late to a party and finding everyone pissed.

And the hot chick wants to dance...

BR kicking it in soak mode now with 3-4 knots better VMG

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