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Who really believes tariffs are good business

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Larry Kudlow, 2016 -

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/06/06/politics/kudlow-trade-incalculable-damage-economy/index.html

“Lower tariffs equals lower taxes equals growth. In the 1930s high tariffs, Smoot-Hawley tariffs, equals high taxes, equals depression. It’s that simple. Too many Republicans on the campaign trail are flirting with protectionism. Trump is the worst, but he’s not the only one.”

He wants to stop trading with China. He wants to stop trading with Mexico. Lord knows who else he wants to stop trading with. These are huge trading partners of ours. There are political issues that need to be resolved, but you never cut off your nose to spite your face, do you? That’s what Trump is doing. Too many Republicans are flirting with protectionism. Protectionism is anti-growth, protectionism, protectionism led to the depression of the 1930s.”

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“Give us a protective tariff and we will have the greatest nation on earth,”  Abraham Lincoln  

The fake liberal dullards should be celebrating, only they aren't. :lol: 

 

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2 hours ago, Rat's ass said:

“Give us a protective tariff and we will have the greatest nation on earth,”  Abraham Lincoln  

The fake liberal dullards should be celebrating, only they aren't. :lol: 

 

Worst president in history- including Trump. Lincoln had a chance to get rid of the South and didn't.

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2 hours ago, Rat's ass said:

“Give us a protective tariff and we will have the greatest nation on earth,”  Abraham Lincoln  

The fake liberal dullards should be celebrating, only they aren't. :lol: 

 

Sifting thru ancient texts to find words to promote an otherwise unsupportable position is bit like ... bible thumpers.

What is a “fake liberal dullard”? 

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11 hours ago, El Boracho said:

What is a “fake liberal dullard”? 

Google it. 

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12 hours ago, Clove Hitch said:

Worst president in history- including Trump. Lincoln had a chance to get rid of the South and didn't.

Your a funny little bigot with no balls. Maybe you should have been a comedian instead of an assclown. Seriously..:rolleyes: 

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12 hours ago, Rat's ass said:

Your a funny little bigot with no balls. Maybe you should have been a comedian instead of an assclown. Seriously..:rolleyes: 

You realize that you sound mentally ill, right?

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9 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

You realize that you sound mentally ill, right?

People are mentally ill through no fault of their own.

The Rat is willfully stupid.

It's different.

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31 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:
44 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

You realize that you sound mentally ill, right?

People are mentally ill through no fault of their own.

The Rat is willfully stupid.

It's different.

He could be both

-DSK

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2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

He could be both

-DSK

His rambling non-sequiturs, his  obsession with Hillary  and other clearly delusional statements  (e.g. calling everybody a "bigot" when nothing bigoted has been said), all point to somebody grappling with an out of control pysch. pathology. 

He's like Nanny Govt was-- clearly sick in the head. I stopped seeing Nanny Govt as a venomous, hate filled wacko and started seeing a sick person.  Made me wish I could do something nice for him or get him some help.  Same with Dum-fuk-joe/Rat's ass-- the guy is clearly a gibbering crazy person.  Somebody needs to bake him some cookies or lasagna, maybe mow his yard-- do something for him, because he clearly is not well.  At any rate, first rule with delusional people is to wall off the crazy, so I'm putting the poor guy on ignore. 

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54 minutes ago, Clove Hitch said:

You realize that you sound mentally ill, right?

Melt for me snowflake. 

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1 minute ago, Clove Hitch said:

His rambling non-sequiturs, his  obsession with Hillary  and other clearly delusional statements  (e.g. calling everybody a "bigot" when nothing bigoted has been said), all point to somebody grappling with an out of control pysch. pathology. 

He's like Nanny Govt was-- clearly sick in the head. I stopped seeing Nanny Govt as a venomous, hate filled wacko and started seeing a sick person.  Made me wish I could do something nice for him or get him some help.  Same with Dum-fuk-joe/Rat's ass-- the guy is clearly a gibbering crazy person.  Somebody needs to bake him some cookies or lasagna, maybe mow his yard-- do something for him, because he clearly is not well.  At any rate, first rule with delusional people is to wall off the crazy, so I'm putting the poor guy on ignore. 

A lot of righties seem to have deep-seated social maladjustments (I'd suggest that almost all of them do). Their love of authority just for the sake of authority, and their obvious resentment of any social reinforcement, make me think that they've had to deal some rather bad stuff in their early lives.

We can see for example that a lot of Trump's mental problems stem from his lack of paternal approval, his father actually drove his brother to suicide. And Trump believed that being this kind of overbearing dishonest asshole is good..... and righties who want a punisher of a father-figure love him.

The fact that there are enough of them to forge a successful political party (with the assistance of voter suppression, packing courts, and serious voter apathy) is the disturbing thing about America. What they don't see, is that they are the product of the social changes in the US over the past 50 years that they despise and want to undo. If the standard of a relatively happy, relatively well-adjusted family life, with commensurate priorities, had remained the average, there wouldn't be so many hateful fuck-heads in the USA today.

-DSK

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They have no shame. 

Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html

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The deal to avert tariffs that President Trump announced with great fanfare on Friday night consists largely of actions that Mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the United States over the past several months, according to officials from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations.

Friday’s joint declaration says Mexico agreed to the “deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border.” But the Mexican government had already pledged to do that in March during secret talks in Miami between Kirstjen Nielsen, then the secretary of homeland security, and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican secretary of the interior, the officials said.

The centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s deal was an expansion of a program to allow asylum-seekers to remain in Mexico while their legal cases proceed. But that arrangement was reached in December in a pair of painstakingly negotiated diplomatic notes that the two countries exchanged. Ms. Nielsen announced the Migrant Protection Protocols during a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee five days before Christmas.

And over the past week, negotiators failed to persuade Mexico to accept a “safe third country” treaty that would have given the United States the legal ability to reject asylum seekers if they had not sought refuge in Mexico first.

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It's a yuge win. Many people are saying it.

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9 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

We can see for example that a lot of Trump's mental problems stem from his lack of paternal approval, his father actually drove his brother to suicide. And Trump believed that being this kind of overbearing dishonest asshole is good.....

Way back when Trump first came to prominence and it became clear what sort of lowlife he was I said that his father must have been a real piece of work to make him that way.

Apparently I was right.

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30 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Way back when Trump first came to prominence and it became clear what sort of lowlife he was I said that his father must have been a real piece of work to make him that way.

Apparently I was right.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Tariffs were never going to happen. Pure distraction exercise. 

If His Lardassness were to be backed into a corner on this whole deal, he might have thrown caution to the wind (yes I know that is not an option) and imposed tariffs on Mexico, or Alberta, or Gondwanaland. There are no limits to this loon.

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Trump Says He’ll Raise China Tariffs If Xi Won’t Meet at G-20

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Of the tentative meeting with Xi, Trump said: “We’re expected to meet and if we do that’s fine, and if we don’t -- look, from our standpoint the best deal we can have is 25% on $600 billion.”

Trump added: “If we don’t have a deal and don’t make a deal, we’ll be raising the tariffs, putting tariffs on more than -- we only tax 35% to 40% of what they said then they had another 60% that’ll be taxed.”

For some Chinese experts, this sounds again like a trick. "Trump wants to use maximum pressure to force China to come back to the negotiation table. And if there’s no meeting between the two leaders, Trump will put the blame on China," said Zhou Xiaoming, a former Mofcom official and diplomat.

If Trump carries out his threat to extend the 25% charge to all imports from China, it will start hitting vital communication tools and everyday consumer goods.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-10/trump-says-he-ll-raise-tariffs-on-china-again-if-xi-skips-g20

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2 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

It appears “Tariffs” are the entirety of his international diplomacy and negotiating  bullying plan. 

FIFY

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5 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

It appears “Tariffs” are the entirety of his international diplomacy and negotiating plan. 

Your Congress & Senate can take his toy away any time they have the balls to do so, so it's not all on him.

FKT

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46 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:
52 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

It appears “Tariffs” are the entirety of his international diplomacy and negotiating plan. 

Your Congress & Senate can take his toy away any time they have the balls to do so, so it's not all on him.

FKT

Congress certainly has their role as a co-equal part of the government (though, President Trump has made it clear he prefers to be more Imperial).

That said, we were told they guy is a master negotiator - a brilliant businessman.  All he knows is lying, bullying, and empty threats.

Sadly, there is a sizable portion of the US willing to overlook those traits because "Hillary was worse!" or "He makes Liberal heads explode!"

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6 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Your Congress & Senate can take his toy away any time they have the balls to do so, so it's not all on him.

FKT

Congress is almost ready, but it seems the Senate has been Mitchified.

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taxing consumers is sure getting popular among republicans.

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2 hours ago, Raz'r said:

taxing consumers is sure getting popular among republicans.

Yeah but not enough to reduce the deficit

-DSK

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2 hours ago, Swimsailor said:

And yet they stil support him...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rural-voters-tired-and-frustrated-with-trump-but-sticking-with-him/ar-AACLyQ7?ocid=spartanntp

They should just change the headline to "Trump supporters are still dumb as fuck."

As Ron White likes to say “you can’t fix stupid.”

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Customs fraud is thriving thanks to Trump's trade war

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Through the first four months of 2019, imports from China are down 12 percent from the comparable period last year — from $162 billion to $143 billion. Meanwhile, over the same period, U.S. goods imports from the world increased slightly from $804 billion to $807 billion.

That’s paltry import growth for a robust economy, but suggests that at least some of the goods, components and raw materials that U.S. retailers and manufacturers are foregoing from China can be sourced elsewhere. It may also mean that Chinese-made products are being transshipped and relabeled as originating in other countries. 

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/448205-customs-fraud-thrives-thanks-to-trumps-trade-war?rnd=1560365803

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I doubt Trump or his supporters care - those are all just Gook countries anyway - it's not like they can tell them apart.

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Lots of people used to believe tariffs are good business
 

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A 2015 Monmouth poll found that only 24 percent of Democrats believed free trade agreements were good for the United States. But when Monmouth asked the same question last month, the pollster found that support for trade deals has risen to 55 percent among Democrats. The Pew Research Center says that 72 percent of Democrats believe the North American Free Trade Agreement has been beneficial for the United States.

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So, uh, Dunce Cap Tip to Trump.

Biden and Harris seem to have noticed the change and reacted. Others are slower to change...

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Other Democrats may have a harder time making that shift, particularly those on the party's left flank. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) has already published a trade platform that calls for more "Buy America" programs and, as Trump often does, criticizes America's trade deficit. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) has criticized Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs for not being protectionist enough, and she opposes Trump's NAFTA rewrite for the same reason. Both Vox and The New Republic have described her strategy as trying to "outflank" Trump on trade.

Trying to "outstupid" Trump on trade is a terrible idea.

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