Irrational 14

Whoa - Classic 1947 International Fourteen

Recommended Posts

From the era when real men sailed... no ratchet blocks, no cam cleats, no auto bailers, no ball bearings, no dyneema, no wet-suits.

 

FOR SALE - 1947 International Fourteen built by Douglas & McLeod - US 360

This boat is the precursor to the common Thistle. Sandy Douglas just scaled up the lines.

 

A little background - I found this rare boat about 6 years ago. It's been stored indoors it's whole life for the last 70 years!

This is the first professionally built design that started the West Coast I14 development. It was mostly home builds and East Coast based before then.

I intended to do a full Bristol Restoration but sometimes life gets in the way. Too many boats, too many projects. I have to let this one go.

It's survived 70 years so far under good care. I'd like to have the new owner continue that tradition.

Everything is there and sound. I just wanted to make it look perfect but now I realize there is no time for me to work on her.

This boat is a kick in the butt to sail and gets tons of questions and compliments. Boat is watertight, still stiff and quick even by today's standards.

I would repaint the interior just for aesthetics but that's it. No rot, no delam, no issues.

Hot Moulded US Ply Construction (5 veneers laminated at opposing 45 deg) . Professionally sheathed in fiberglass to preserve integrity about 8 years ago.

Designed by Uffa Fox using the "Alarm" lines.

Spruce Triple Spreader hallow Mast w/internal halyard winches.

Miter Cut cotton Ratsey and Lapthorn (NY) sails from 1947. Still in good shape!

Mahogany slats with Oak rails. Foils are solid Mahogany.

All hardware is period correct. Mostly bronze.

White Hull with bright Transom.

This boat is an excellent example of US dinghy racing history. It should probably be in a museum.

Regretfully, this boat has to go as I have too many projects at the moment and not enough time.

For Sale - $1000 usd. Go see the ad in SA Classifieds under "dinghys".

More info here: http://cbifda.blogspot.com/2012/01/from-carbon-back-to-hot-molded-wood.html

http://cbifda.blogspot.com/2012/03/usod-360-sails-again.html

 

PM for questions.

 

US360_sailing1_a.jpg

d2483fd9-4513-4faf-b229-af1b5c8adf3d_seven_hundred.jpeg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tempting!  But I’m finally back to just 1 14....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

wow that's a beauty!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Tempting!  But I’m finally back to just 1 14....

You're not really a 14er unless you have more than one... Get on it!

By the way, the pre-war boat will be the centerpiece at this years I14 Worlds. Keeping that one.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The first Blurocket sailboat was one of these.  I heard lots of stories!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This boat has got a soul... She needs a good home. Still available. Not sure why my classified ad was deleted.

US360_sailing2_a.jpg

us360_sailing_from_leeward.jpg

IMG_4291.jpg

bluprnt.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Only a small one but why the shallow upturned V under the 14 on the sail and not a horizontal line like the UK 14s?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I asked a couple veteran 14ers that question. They said it was either a mark of an early One-Design or it was a national champ winner.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, Raz'r said:

I asked a couple veteran 14ers that question. They said it was either a mark of an early One-Design or it was a national champ winner.

Quote...

Below is the somewhat famous photo of the kingpin of the early Southern Californian USOD fleet, Dick Fenton, in his Douglass and McLeod number 116 (note the caret symbol under the 14 insignia - designating this 14 as a one-design), sailing with a reef in the main.US116.jpeg

http://cbifda.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/us-one-design-classic-internatonal-14.html

+

http://cbifda.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/us-one-design-classic-international-14.html

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yup - One Design. About 380 or so made in the US. They were the first mass produced 14's by a builder. The build proved lighter and faster than most others (hot moulded ply, same as mosquito war aircraft). Pretty soon everyone was buying them and they had a One Design Fleet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Attached link is for a good article about Sandy Douglass, co-founder of Douglass & Mcleod which built these USOD 14's. The article doesn't have much to say about Sandy's 14 sailing but provides some good info (of course a focus on Thistles, Fly Scots and Highlanders). Also note that Douglass got into sailing with sailing canoes.

https://www.chesapeakebaymagazine.com/features/2018/2/28/sandy-douglass

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
 

Attached link is for a good article about Sandy Douglass, co-founder of Douglass & Mcleod which built these USOD 14's. The article doesn't have much to say about Sandy's 14 sailing but provides some good info (of course a focus on Thistles, Fly Scots and Highlanders). Also note that Douglass got into sailing with sailing canoes.

https://www.chesapeakebaymagazine.com/features/2018/2/28/sandy-douglass

I remember Uffa mentioning Sandy in one or more of his books.  I'll have to dig it up. I think it was at that fateful Sugar Island regatta when de Quincy and Fox showed up...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Irrational 14,

Is your D&M 14 still for sail? I have been sailing Thistles since 75 and would love to have a baby Thistle to sail.

Dave

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

DAM,

You are about 40 days too late... The '49 went to a good home in San Diego. Killer boat for a killer price.

Now that I actually have the space to work, I've been restoring the '39 I-14 ever since. Lot of progress. Just about complete (for now).

This one's not for sale but she'll be making the rounds at the Wooden Boat Festivals in Cali. and of course the upcoming I14 Worlds.

 

 

IMG_1377.jpg

00K0K_27q0TEzztvB_1200x900.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This one pretty much sums it up. Exhausting 40 days but worth it. New life for an 80 year old.

 

 

thumbnail_IMG_1528.jpg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The story of my life - late as usual.

WOW the 39 really looks great! I'll bet the inside was fun to refinish!

I acquired a 60s vintage I 14 a year ago from a gracious man in Canada who gave me the boat. The boat was designed by Ian Proctor and built by W. A. Souter as indicated by the plates on the transom. The boat (named “GADFLY”) is Number 762. However through the years the rudder has been lost. Would you know of anyone that would have a rudder, plans for a rudder, or could maybe trace the outline and profile of their rudder from a similar boat so I could make one? In addition, the hull through my limited research appears to be cold molded (3 plys) with resorcinol glue and it is delaminating in many locations. Would you or know of any one that has experience with this type of construction and glue and how or if the hull can be restored? Thanks - Dave

 

IMG_0081.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow, those are all stunning looking boats!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dam,

Fine looking vessel. Souters boats were from Cowes, UK. They made some champions and were very popular in the 60's. You have a nice boat.

I'd need to see some close ups of the problem areas you are talking about but generally you can fix the problem areas with epoxy and new laminate. Matching the wood will be the issue and most likely you will have to paint some areas of repair. Anything can be fixed/restored, it just takes time and money.

I would definitely not get it wet until you sort out the repairs. For the rudder, vintage bits, and general advice, I'd also contact the Classic and Vintage Racing Dinghy Association, UK. Someone should be able to help with sourcing a rudder or at least a near original design for you to replicate. I'd try to keep it as original as possible. Here's a 64 Souter I14 (restored). For sale too.

 

 

Kirby_at_Woodenboat_1.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks for getting back to me with the info. I haven't contacted the cvrda yet, but saw them on some of my searches. The wood may be agba which you can find in England but nobody I have contacted here in the US has heard of it. I'll post some detail photos next week. Thanks!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dave - I’ve done a lot of work on the hot molded hull of my 1946 Thistle. Send a pm with your email. I’m about to take off for China so no email for a couple days 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

These classic wooden performance dinghies are just cool beyond description.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Dan - Gotta say your yacht was smokin up the course! Well done and a fine looking vessel to boot. Hope to see more Holmans soon.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cheers Paul.

Delighted with pace just had a few too many errors and sail issues causing retirement.

I hope that in 60 years time a nice bloke spruces her up!

Catch you guys soon I hope!

Dan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now