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They do fit in containers, but I think they may re-do the "shrinkwrap and blowdryer" thing on the wings frequently. That is how they fixed the UK wing after the NYC capsize. Had a video of the allnighter. 

They can put one together in 48 hours or so but they do not do them all completely in parallel so UK sailed today, probably another tomorrow, etc. At least that seems to be how NYC and now Cowes evolve.

I suspect the biggest costs are for shore crew, technical team, video and marketing, Core. But Larry owns Core so there is probably a bunch of tax advantages even if Core does not make a standalone profit. Well, then there is Russell. No doubt he gets millions and millions and millions. Or did clever Larry persuade him to do the movie star thing and work for a smaller amount of $ and a share of the profits ;)

I am thinking the sailors might get a good daily sum, but not many days...???  

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1 hour ago, nav said:

^ Mostly spin - like all things Fail50

Always be closing....... :D

Well, it's  on the line now. SGP says that with (unspecified) "technical upgrades" "the teams are predicted to break the 50 feet knot speed barrier" on the Solent.

OK! TeamS! Predicted!

Guesses or ideas what they upgraded?  

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Just now, NeedAClew said:

Well, it's  on the line now. SGP says that with (unspecified) "technical upgrades" "the teams are predicted to break the 50 feet knot speed barrier" on the Solent.

OK! TeamS! Predicted!

Guesses or ideas what they upgraded?  

What so they never were able to before? The 2 fans were being lied to in the previous regattas? 

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34 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

I Im thinking the sailors might get a good daily sum, but not many days...???  

The money isn't good enough that Nathan Outerridge wouldn't drop SGP in a heart beat if he was called to an AC team. His words.

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So what was upgraded? Thought maybe they modified the wings but they look the same see pix from Cowes and SF thecChina boat is easy to count segments...

Maybe more flight controller stuff, to be sure they keep the rudder in? Another new pump with more capacity so it doesn't run so hot?

Training time isn't  a tech upgrade ;)

 

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1 hour ago, NeedAClew said:

Well, it's  on the line now. SGP says that with (unspecified) "technical upgrades" "the teams are predicted to break the 50 feet knot speed barrier" on the Solent.

OK! TeamS! Predicted!

Guesses or ideas what they upgraded?  

Well the tides are strong there so every possibility they'll get 50 knots over the ground if they can maintain the speed through the water they've claimed in the past. Like I've posted previously I'm not convinced they've got sufficiently accurate raw data for speed through the water to be calculated as accurately as they seem to want to claim. If they claim 50.** then I'll struggle to accept the number.

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5 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

They can put one together in 48 hours

So they're lying in their web blurb?......So unusual for Russell......

5 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

I suspect the biggest costs are for shore crew, technical team, video and marketing,

Plus shipping 40+ containers around the place. Rental on the water frontage they use? Insurance and the various indemnities they'd need. Has any sort of budget been published? I'd say you'd get little change out of 10 million per event - could be a heap more?

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On 6/24/2019 at 11:20 AM, NeedAClew said:

At $7M/yr team operating costs and let's say $4M per event plus the league costs and r&d and instrumentation and media and new and recycled boats, I guess he has to have committed over $300m just to get to here. (An IACC campaign-equivalent without the litigation, lol.)  Then running 4 more years, if RC jazzes up the boats more and adds teams and events, he'll do his billion.   But LE made $4B on paper in a day last week after good smack-talking his earnings call. 

For sustainability just have to manage prospective franchisees' due diligence on things like those spectator numbers and what they mean. ;)

They published $5m/team yearly budget, now upped to $7m/team.  The French team in an interview in Tip and Shaft or somewhere some months ago said they have to allocate about $2m to shared league technology services so maybe they upped the budget number to leave $5m for the team itself. Teams are supposed to look for sponsors, maybe they get to eat what they kill.

So I made the guesstimate above. No doubt, a lot of money hauling that stuff around and some shore and tech people transported too, plus the ones they hire locally. 

It is way expensive, but LE has money and can use tax losses, lol. He made like $9B on paper already this year. Spending a billion out of your line of credit on SailGP is probably more fun than watching your $1B Tesla investment yo-yo every time Elon tweets. 

What is unclear to me, no matter how great the sailing is, will 6, 8, 12 rich business people or syndicates want to run it after LE cuts the cord?  It has to be near break even and look like it could be profitable to make that happen, I fear.

 

Addendum: the SGP app still is stuck at 5K+ downloads and a 4.1 rating on Android. I think it is a good race watching and replay app, but people downrate it because it does not work on ChromeOS or with Chromecast to TV. I think the live racing is pretty good on my 10 inch tablet. I use world feed as the main view and alternate ump app and one team or two teams.  You can watch live in UK, US, can check other locations on https://sailgp.com/watch/

 

 

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1 hour ago, NeedAClew said:

he'll do his billion

Crazy money for what? An hour of actual sailing per event? So 5 hours of racing per year times 4 = 20 hours for his billion. Over 800k per minute, or 50 million per hour. Wow, does any other sport burn cash like this? Talk about indulging ones self. Makes participants in AC36 look like a bunch of cheap skates. Go Larry.

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Now I'm really pissed!

Just had my media accreditation knocked back by Larry's media team - reason being  " I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

Of course we don't measure up to 5 minutes on BBC South perhaps but I doubt if their media manager has even looked at sailinganarchy.com.

Well at least now when I write about their little event I wont have to follow any of their rules.

First time since I started writing and became a member of the Yachting Journalists' Association that I have been refused.

Guess there wont be any front page coverage on SA from GP.

Rant over - normal activity resumed. Better on the big screen at home anyway.

SS

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42 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Rant over - normal activity resumed. Better on the big screen at home anyway.

Do you mean a tablet, of course.

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Dg quietly down voting again. His thread obviously died which is why hes back here lol

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11 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Well, it's  on the line now. SGP says that with (unspecified) "technical upgrades" "the teams are predicted to break the 50 feet knot speed barrier" on the Solent.

OK! TeamS! Predicted!

Guesses or ideas what they upgraded?  

Guess they realised it was their last chance to try and hit the 50 before the AC75's are launched. 

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1 hour ago, shanghaisailor said:

Now I'm really pissed!

Just had my media accreditation knocked back by Larry's media team - reason being  " I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

Of course we don't measure up to 5 minutes on BBC South perhaps but I doubt if their media manager has even looked at sailinganarchy.com.

Well at least now when I write about their little event I wont have to follow any of their rules.

First time since I started writing and became a member of the Yachting Journalists' Association that I have been refused.

Guess there wont be any front page coverage on SA from GP.

Rant over - normal activity resumed. Better on the big screen at home anyway.

SS

Sounds like they're following the orange one's media relationship 101 dictum: only accredit friendly media outlets/reporters!!

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3 hours ago, barfy said:

Do you mean a tablet, of course.

Not at all, plug the phone or tablet into a lightning to HDMI adaptor = big screen - technology bruvva

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4 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Now I'm really pissed!

Just had my media accreditation knocked back by Larry's media team - reason being  " I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

They don't need media that they don't already control and get income from.  You wanted something for nothing?  Mmmm.

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1 hour ago, random said:

They don't need media that they don't already control and get income from.  You wanted something for nothing?  Mmmm.

Something for nothing? Grow up!!!

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16 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Something for nothing? Grow up!!!

Don't be like that.

I speculated, so you tell me why you were declined.  A hint ... it is never the reason they give you.

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7 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Now I'm really pissed!

Just had my media accreditation knocked back by Larry's media team - reason being  " I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

Of course we don't measure up to 5 minutes on BBC South perhaps but I doubt if their media manager has even looked at sailinganarchy.com.

Well at least now when I write about their little event I wont have to follow any of their rules.

First time since I started writing and became a member of the Yachting Journalists' Association that I have been refused.

Guess there wont be any front page coverage on SA from GP.

Rant over - normal activity resumed. Better on the big screen at home anyway.

SS

That really is unfair...you have been extremely fair and supportive of their endeavor. 

SGP is wildly controlling wrt media. If one reads the event terms and conditions, they don't let spectators, even paying ones, bring big camera lenses. Very few good candid or amateur shots of SGP events online. The pro who got the one of LE and the kid at SF probably got banned, lol. And while I'm being catty, I do think that Beau Outteridge (who is excellent) does photoshop LE and spruce up the past-sell-by-weedy-gray beard in those official social media shots.

(Ooops! Have I spoiled my chance to get a lucrative paid poster gig???? Will I have to start posting somewhere about Blue Origin...)

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On 7/20/2019 at 5:19 PM, rh3000 said:

This is actually against Facebook policy and it a textbook example of how that group act in bad faith. It also betrays the extent to which SBTJ was controlled by LE & RC.

Not quite as nefarious as you believe, you have the wrong parties.

  Matt Knighton is pretty much the whole dog and pony show from the PR side, and few people deliver more content than him...and he ain't doing any new work unless he absolutely has to.  SBTJ was his work, he's just payin' it forward.  

 

 

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8 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Now I'm really pissed!

Just had my media accreditation knocked back by Larry's media team - reason being  " I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

Of course we don't measure up to 5 minutes on BBC South perhaps but I doubt if their media manager has even looked at sailinganarchy.com.

Well at least now when I write about their little event I wont have to follow any of their rules.

First time since I started writing and became a member of the Yachting Journalists' Association that I have been refused.

Guess there wont be any front page coverage on SA from GP.

Rant over - normal activity resumed. Better on the big screen at home anyway.

SS

LOL.  Their media manager is Matt Knighton.  You think he doesn't know what SA is? 

These decisions come directly from Russell, who always monitors and manages the media lists.  

Hate to say I told you so...but I did, and the other stuff you pushed back on...it was all accurate too.  He's a horrible person and cares not one iota about the sport.

 

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7 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

LOL.  Their media manager is Matt Knighton.  You think he doesn't know what SA is? 

These decisions come directly from Russell, who always monitors and manages the media lists.  

Hate to say I told you so...but I did, and the other stuff you pushed back on...it was all accurate too.  He's a horrible person and cares not one iota about the sport.

 

Thanks for the Heads up Clean.

I don't know why I got so upset. I have more important things to write about in any case.

Stay well my friend.

SS

 

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Wrt tech improvements, it's more rudder differential. Or so they claim. They are hard on for 50 or bust in Cowes. Royalty will be there ya know.

 

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18 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Thanks for the Heads up Clean.

I don't know why I got so upset. I have more important things to write about in any case.

Stay well my friend.

SS

 

You got upset because you put a lot of your passion into advocating for something and took a huge amount of shit for it, and then the people that run it fucked you in the ass.  

It sucks to be betrayed, and it sucks to find out you were wrong.  I feel your pain brother, the very, very same thing happened to me with the very same people.

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7 hours ago, random said:

They don't need media that they don't already control and get income from.  You wanted something for nothing?  Mmmm.

You don't see a problem with information only flowing through media that they "control"?

 

It just continues to reinforce the fact that the event is a sham.

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It's cold hard PR calculus. Some YouTubers, local life style instagramers got the opportunity to rub shoulders and drink champagne on a VIP boat. 

The SailGP numbers from NY didn't blow anyone away despite best efforts to include everyone strolling on an afternoon in NYC as eyeball. 

Coutts is a stubborn guy and Ellison has money and will keep doing the GP cat thing and tinker with the teams to create competition until the end  

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12 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

....reason being  " I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

Shang, I honestly don't mean this in a bad way, but that sentence really says it all. I know it goes against the grain of what SA has always wanted to be - but there you have it. It's a forum (which I enjoy) - it's not really a sailing media outlet. There's nothing wrong that...it just is what it is.

So, write what you want and don't worry about the recognition/sanctioning. Who knows, it might change that view a bit if it's really good stuff.

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10 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

Shang, I honestly don't mean this in a bad way, but that sentence really says it all. I know it goes against the grain of what SA has always wanted to be - but there you have it. It's a forum (which I enjoy) - it's not really a sailing media outlet. There's nothing wrong that...it just is what it is.

So, write what you want and don't worry about the recognition/sanctioning.

You know you can replace forums.sailinganarchy.com with www.sailinganarchy.com and there's a whole other thing right?

SA is basically the pistonheads of sailing - see what media access they get. I would have thought such a progressive media chap such as yourself would understand that ;-)

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Yes, rh. I'm perfectly aware there is a FP. And so is everyone else both here and not here.

And that's also why that sentence is written the way it is. As I said, I really enjoy being a member of the forums here and discussing sailing. It's great - because you have here some of the most knowledgeable sailors around. But, like most - I don't get my sailing news here. Think about it - how many times do we see members around here linking SAFP articles in ongoing threads vs articles from other outlets? Do you think that's an anomaly? Is it a "conspiracy"?

Again, I'm not crapping on SA. It's a great forum with lots of great information. I just say be okay with that.

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5 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said:

You don't see a problem with information only flowing through media that they "control"?

 

It just continues to reinforce the fact that the event is a sham.

I would see a problem if I thought that this was sailing to be reported.  I saw from the start that this was an interference game on the AC.  Larry hates to lose.

This is not a yachting 'series', it is a rip-off of technology developed for the last AC to fuck with the next one.  If there is a positive side it is that some professional sailors have a job for a few years.

Stunts like this one are sailing's equvalent of reality TV.  Some people actually believe that Gladiator or Survivor are real and unscripted.  Some people believe that Sail GP is sailing, I never did.

Pretty sad really because while the last AC was on I could not get enough of the action, I still replay the starts occasionally.  At the time I recall thinking that it would be awesome if this lived on in some way.  But now it has I could not give a fuck about it.  I saw a few minutes of the NY event after someone here sent a link and could not watch any more.  Those few minutes confirmed my impressions with the afterburner on.  It's fucked.  Larry has converted experienced yachtsmen into performing monkeys in shit locations.

I am surprised that the Nationality focus has not overcome this e.g. as an Australian I should have had my cynicism overridden by barracking for the Australian Team ... but it hasn't.

Let them go, the less they are reported the less the attempt at stealing the eyeballs will work.  Anyway, why would they want SA to have access when they have paid trolls here plastering the forum?

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4 hours ago, Forourselves said:

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The latest HB.

See....Now that's sailing news. What a beauty

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30 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

See....Now that's sailing news. What a beauty

Bloody beautiful.... Just hope Alex doesn't trash it!

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5 hours ago, Woolfy said:

Bloody beautiful.... Just hope Alex doesn't trash it!

Certainly some sweet lines on the bow..yum.

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48 minutes ago, dg_sailingfan said:

Clown Car League!

Haha even the clown cars put on a better show than the Circus! lol

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15 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

 

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Not much room to have your friends on board for a beer.

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This one no doubt has cup holders and a place for the champagne bucket.  

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On 8/3/2019 at 7:15 PM, Miffy said:

It's cold hard PR calculus. Some YouTubers, local life style instagramers got the opportunity to rub shoulders and drink champagne on a VIP boat. 

The SailGP numbers from NY didn't blow anyone away despite best efforts to include everyone strolling on an afternoon in NYC as eyeball. 

Coutts is a stubborn guy and Ellison has money and will keep doing the GP cat thing and tinker with the teams to create competition until the end  

The end of what? It won’t be his cash, it’ll be his interest and that’s been fickle at times. He can wrap this whenever he feels like it, my guess is before the forecast 5 years. 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

The end of what? It won’t be his cash, it’ll be his interest and that’s been fickle at times. He can wrap this whenever he feels like it, my guess is before the forecast 5 years. 

Uncle Larry's agreement with Whisper runs out in 2021 - coincidentally, when the big dance in Auckland gets under way. He'll probably be hoping someone else wins the Cup from ETNZ so he can come along and flash his $$$ to make himself feel relevant again in the AC.

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7 hours ago, Forourselves said:

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This is pretty awesome. I have not figured out what the front half of the deck looks like, though. Do you have any links to photos of that? The articles said something about a bow cockpit. Do you have any other info about that?

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12 minutes ago, Indio said:

Uncle Larry's agreement with Whisper runs out in 2021 - coincidentally, when the big dance in Auckland gets under way. He'll probably be hoping someone else wins the Cup from ETNZ so he can come along and flash his $$$ to make himself feel relevant again in the AC.

Larry may move on to other interests in 2021, but I doubt he'd be up in any sense for AC37.  He did his best as a real challenger his first try, third time was the charm to use his best a$$et and buy lawyers for the DoG challenge. If he was a real champ he'd  help Slingsby with his Aussie challenge but....we are talking about Larry and his unfinished museums and lingeringly undone projects. 

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On ‎8‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 8:21 PM, random said:

Don't be like that.

I speculated, so you tell me why you were declined.  A hint ... it is never the reason they give you.

they want the coverage, I was willing to give it - it is they who would get something for nothing. I think it may be past history between Ed, Clean & Larry or Russell. Nothing to do with me. Anyway, small inconvenience, gives me more time to be with real people.

& there is always Cowes Week to write about - many more boats too.

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The policy is pretty clear..

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Media accreditation to SailGP events is reserved for professional, paid journalists on assignment for a recognized media organization or working for a media agency with proven distribution. ... While forums are useful communications tools, they are not considered professional media outlets.

I don't think it's any more "personal" than that.

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3 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Larry may move on to other interests in 2021, but I doubt he'd be up in any sense for AC37.  He did his be

I completely agree NeedAClew. I am sure he has the typical entrepreneur's mind set "been there, done that, got the T-shirt" He has won, defended and lost the America's Cup. At the very least he has 'done his duty' for American Sailing just as the likes of Vanderbuilt & others before him. As GGYC is likely disqualified from AC36 why would he even try to enter.

Whether one likes him or Russell or not, if one loves our sport one should just be grateful a person of his wealth is willing to spend a significant chunk of it (high side of US40m p.a. for the next few years) in attempting to develop an exciting series to showcase the sport's higher end.

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2 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

The policy is pretty clear..

I don't think it's any more "personal" than that.

You are perhaps right smackdaddy. It also (at least partially) explains the Ed's reaction that SailGP don't consider SA to be "a recognized media organization" which from my experience around the likes of ESS, VOR etc is indeed erroneous.

BUT - to grant accreditation or not is indeed their prerogative and after all it gives little more than access to their media tent - small loss

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13 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

 

Whether one likes him or Russell or not, if one loves our sport one should just be grateful a person of his wealth is willing to spend a significant chunk of it (high side of US40m p.a. for the next few years) in attempting to develop an exciting series to showcase the sport's higher end.

Like I said, you are a very fair person, very supportive of SGP.  And Cowes has a lot more going on than the SGP media tent!

If SGP does become an exciting showcase, imho it will be due to RC and how he develops as a manager and evangelist. So as I have said, best get Larry's money upfront or in escrow because Larry's  zeal does fade as other things pique his interest. Lots of LE things without a project champion mysteriously stay "in the works" but undone. RC, no matter what else, has drive and focus to keep it going. If the money keeps coming.

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15 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

You are perhaps right smackdaddy. It also (at least partially) explains the Ed's reaction that SailGP don't consider SA to be "a recognized media organization" which from my experience around the likes of ESS, VOR etc is indeed erroneous.

BUT - to grant accreditation or not is indeed their prerogative and after all it gives little more than access to their media tent - small loss

I do commend your rationality SS. In my 11 years or so here through VORs, ACs, Vendees, etc, I think SA has had some flashes of resembling a "media organization". But it's always come with way too much baggage, I think. theEd's reaction to this is a good example. There are only so many bridges in the world. At some point, it might not be "them".

Anyway, I'll start following your stuff a bit more closely. You definitely have a way with words (escape story is awesome - as is Brian's recounting).

I do appreciate this SA forum as I said. Lots of great stuff from great sailors (for the most part).

Cheers.

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35 minutes ago, nroose said:

This is pretty awesome. I have not figured out what the front half of the deck looks like, though. Do you have any links to photos of that? The articles said something about a bow cockpit. Do you have any other info about that?

 

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6 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

I do commend your rationality SS. In my 11 years or so here through VORs, ACs, Vendees, etc, I think SA has had some flashes of resembling a "media organization". But it's always come with way too much baggage, I think. theEd's reaction to this is a good example. There are only so many bridges in the world. At some point, it might not be "them".

Anyway, I'll start following your stuff a bit more closely. You definitely have a way with words. And I do appreciate this SA forum as I said. Lots of great stuff from great sailors (for the most part).

Cheers.

Thank you for your kind words. I have a passion for our sport that goes way back to beyond my teens, owned more boats than is healthy for my bank balance and sailed on so many types that, if I didn't keep a list I would forget many of them and my efforts in helping to develop sailing here in China is just an attempt to, in a small way, put back into what I consider to be the most compelling, fulfilling and engrossing sport there is.

You are right, the forums do have the odd (can be taken more ways than one) member to be disregarded, nationalistic passions that sometimes overflow, and so on but also many great sailors or even newbie that come here for advice (aren't you glad the old welcome of 'show us your tits or wife's tits has disappeared - shows the site is growing up).

A quick anecdote that sums up what you said - After the Gothenburg prizegiving in the latest VOR someone came up to me and said "Shanghai?" - I responded "Yes" "I'm XXXXXXXXXX (don't try guess by counting the 'x's) My response was "Shit, I should have known".

I only tell that to support what you say smackdaddy that, YES we do have some great and professional sailors on these forums.

I'll send you some pics from Cowes but you will have to visit the FP to see them - ha ha!

See ya on the water

SS

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2 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Larry may move on to other interests in 2021, but I doubt he'd be up in any sense for AC37.  He did his best as a real challenger his first try, third time was the charm to use his best a$$et and buy lawyers for the DoG challenge. If he was a real champ he'd  help Slingsby with his Aussie challenge but....we are talking about Larry and his unfinished museums and lingeringly undone projects. 

We all backed Uncle Larry when he launched the legal challenge to Alinghi's inside-the-pocket illegal CoR which ultimately resulted in the DoG Challenge of AC33, and no-one begrudged him his win. Then I believe he got hijacked by Russell's petty personal politics against those in ETNZ he perceived as enemies following his departure for Alinghi (Russ holds a grudge like a scorned wife!!), which drove their relationship against ETNZ in AC34. I think Uncle Larry grapped the helm from Russ for AC34 and handed it over to ginger and the rest is history...

I don't think Larry will compete in a multi-Challenger series any more because it's too competitive for him. Bertarelli's arrogance provided Uncle Larry the legal opportunity to win the AC without fighting for the right to Challenge in a multi-Challenger format. He spent a rumoured $150-million in AC32 and came away with nothing, after their debut in AC31 with Cayard - Dickson as skippers, then Dickson alone, then Pete Holmberg...

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4 hours ago, smackdaddy said:

The policy is pretty clear..

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Media accreditation to SailGP events is reserved for professional, paid journalists on assignment for a recognized media organization or working for a media agency with proven distribution. ... While forums are useful communications tools, they are not considered professional media outlets.

I don't think it's any more "personal" than that.

So that's why you are here right?  YCMTSU.source.gif

 

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4 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Like I said, you are a very fair person, very supportive of SGP.

 

4 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

do commend your rationality SS. In my 11 years or so here through VORs

Wank wank sank.

Everyone knows how the spite cup is gonna end.

And everyone knows it started with the gang of five in Paris. Wuss sold that shot to Larry, and wuss been wanking on it since.

Get over furthering the sport, paying for nates kids shoes.this is wussels wank.

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5 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

You are right, the forums do have the odd

SS

Sorry, I did not follow, did you present yourself as SA forum contributor, journo, staff ?

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5 hours ago, Indio said:

We all backed Uncle Larry when he launched the legal challenge to Alinghi's inside-the-pocket illegal CoR which ultimately resulted in the DoG Challenge of AC33, and no-one begrudged him his win. Then I believe he got hijacked by Russell's petty personal politics against those in ETNZ he perceived as enemies following his departure for Alinghi (Russ holds a grudge like a scorned wife!!), which drove their relationship against ETNZ in AC35. I think Uncle Larry grapped the helm from Russ for AC34 and handed it over to ginger and the rest is history...

I don't think Larry will compete in a multi-Challenger series any more because it's too competitive for him. Bertarelli's arrogance provided Uncle Larry the legal opportunity to win the AC without fighting for the right to Challenge in a multi-Challenger format. He spent a rumoured $150-million in AC32 and came away with nothing, after their debut in AC31 with Cayard - Dickson as skippers, then Dickson alone, then Pete Holmberg...

 

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The new Hugo Boss boat - these poles out the sides attached to the shrouds. Are they used to reduce the compression load on the mast by taking the stays more out board? Seems there would be a bit of a windage penalty with them.

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10 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

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Whether one likes him or Russell or not, if one loves our sport one should just be grateful a person of his wealth is willing to spend a significant chunk of it in attempting to develop an exciting series to showcase the sport's higher end.

Exhibiting battered wife syndrome there shang:

The person may also behave in ways that can be difficult for someone outside the relationship to understand.

These include:

  • refusing to leave the relationship
  • believing that the abuser is powerful or knows everything
  • idealizing the person who carried out the abuse when things are calm
  • believing they deserve the abuse
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But if you don't yet have accreditation for Cowes Week and you're not too battered, lemme know and I'll make a call.  Unlike SGP, they have a mature PR team full longtime pros who know what they're doing, and they know which sites drive traffic to them.

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Ellison has ego needs, Coutts has ambitions. They found in each other what they needed to achieve them.  Those photos from LVC Cup show the magic.

Each probably thinks they are really dominating the other. I think RC is on the long con if in fact LE believes SGP will be commercially sustainable without his subsidy, but RC better get the money in hand. 

Talk of baby shoes and sport sound good. But reality may differ.

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Exhibiting battered wife syndrome there shang...

But if you don't yet have accreditation for Cowes Week and you're not too battered, lemme know and I'll make a call...

As I was saying...

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12 hours ago, shanghaisailor said:

Thank you for your kind words. I have a passion for our sport that goes way back to beyond my teens, owned more boats than is healthy for my bank balance and sailed on so many types that, if I didn't keep a list I would forget many of them and my efforts in helping to develop sailing here in China is just an attempt to, in a small way, put back into what I consider to be the most compelling, fulfilling and engrossing sport there is.

You are right, the forums do have the odd (can be taken more ways than one) member to be disregarded, nationalistic passions that sometimes overflow, and so on but also many great sailors or even newbie that come here for advice (aren't you glad the old welcome of 'show us your tits or wife's tits has disappeared - shows the site is growing up).

A quick anecdote that sums up what you said - After the Gothenburg prizegiving in the latest VOR someone came up to me and said "Shanghai?" - I responded "Yes" "I'm XXXXXXXXXX (don't try guess by counting the 'x's) My response was "Shit, I should have known".

I only tell that to support what you say smackdaddy that, YES we do have some great and professional sailors on these forums.

I'll send you some pics from Cowes but you will have to visit the FP to see them - ha ha!

See ya on the water

SS

There are numerous examples of tin hat conspiracies on just this page to show why SA doesn't get the credibility of regular media.  It is a very useful forum for communication.

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17 minutes ago, Herfy said:

There are numerous examples of tin hat conspiracies on just this page to show why SA doesn't get the credibility of regular media.  It is a very useful forum for communication.

Hmmmm, not true at all.
I had press credentials for multiple ACs (even by SNG for AC33!), ACWS, multiple VORs, MedCup back in the day, EXSS, 52Super Series... Some had a question or wanted to see an editor's letter, but in the end it was very easy to get the accreditation.
In return I wrote articles until my fingers bled... Did I mention that it was for the German site? ;)

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Hey DG - I think it was rh who told me the dgunt account is your sock. I thought it was Four's because it downvotes almost every post of yours. Are you really downvoting your own posts with your own sock?

Or is rh a bit off in his hosiery assignations?

Just curious. It's really hard to keep all this puppetry straight.

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Speaking of the America's Cup and 2013 LVC, whenever the reported "fastest AC50 speed" was noted, was that instantaneous straight line speed? Just a blip, not over any time or distance?

Asking for a friend ;)

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10 hours ago, Horn Rock said:

The new Hugo Boss boat - these poles out the sides attached to the shrouds. Are they used to reduce the compression load on the mast by taking the stays more out board? Seems there would be a bit of a windage penalty with them.

Yes, deck spreaders (deck outriggers, shroud outriggers) give a greater angle, so there are more options for shroud tension and compression to allow a lighter rig without losing stiffness.

Yes, there are tradeoffs… harder to park too. :-)

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On 8/3/2019 at 1:02 AM, shanghaisailor said:

Now I'm really pissed!

Just had my media accreditation knocked back by Larry's media team - reason being  " I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

Of course we don't measure up to 5 minutes on BBC South perhaps but I doubt if their media manager has even looked at sailinganarchy.com.

Well at least now when I write about their little event I wont have to follow any of their rules.

First time since I started writing and became a member of the Yachting Journalists' Association that I have been refused.

Guess there wont be any front page coverage on SA from GP.

Rant over - normal activity resumed. Better on the big screen at home anyway.

SS

If it helps, I believe John Navis was also denied by SailGP this spring,  when he offered video assistance.....

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On 8/3/2019 at 4:02 PM, shanghaisailor said:

"I am afraid that as Sailing Anarchy is a forum, it is not entailed."

The use of "entailed" seems like poor grammar to me. Perhaps they meant "… is not an appropriate platform for promotion of the event"?

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Just now, RobG said:

Seems like poor grammar to me. Perhaps they meant "… is not an appropriate platform for promotion of the event"?

Hahaha!! Some of those idiots couldn't spell "grammar"..

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I assumed she meant "it is not entitled." Still weird construction but shows the care and attention given to sound fancy. Autocorrect got them, perhaps lol.  

Still request denied, "have a lovely day" is rather annoying.

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Hey SS, can you teach theED to use the author function correctly when posting through the CMS? It would be great if the articles were attributed to the actual writer instead of all of them showing "Editor" as the author. That way we can sort the articles by the actual author, cut through the political crap, whinging, etc., and just read the good stuff you guys are writing. Ta.

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7 hours ago, dg_sailingfan said:

It's odd that For is posting all these Fastnet Video's in this Thread

....Because there is actually a Thread for all the Fastnet related Stuff here:

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/206260-fastnet-2019/

I figure since, as you say, there is a thread for this, that since there is a thread for SailGP, that you won't be posting anymore news/ crap about SailGP here anymore, so we might as well just use it to post general sailing news/ videos etc.

By the way, I see you've gone and downvoted quietly again...ya pussy!

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15 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Exhibiting battered wife syndrome there shang:

Not at all Clean although perhaps a little bit stuck between two parties that need to grow up so "battered parent" is a little bit more appropriate. Thanks for the offer but it might surprise you that I do actually know quite a few in the UK sailing scene ;-)

21 minutes ago, smackdaddy said:

Hey SS, can you teach theED to use the author function correctly when posting through the CMS? It would be great if the articles were attributed to the actual writer instead of all of them showing "Editor" as the author. That way we can sort the articles by the actual author, cut through the political crap, whinging, etc., and just read the good stuff you guys are writing. Ta.

Good point smackdaddy. Brian writes some good stuff, I liked his Hugo Boss article yesterday and it is indeed shown as posted by 'Editor' as is the photo of the Skally boys which one of my Fb friends posted on Facebook and I just added a short comment.

Just for the record, the SailGP thing is, as far as I am concerned, case closed. I write primarily for fun and if they don't want SA as an avenue to promote their event, then that is their prerogative but as NeedAClew noticed the rejection followed by "Have a lovely day" was a strange construct. I noticed that too.

Now I can relax in Cowes this weekend

SS

 

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11 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

...but as NeedAClew noticed the rejection followed by "Have a lovely day" was a strange construct. I noticed that too

I guess it's better than "You can blow this status quo."

Heh.

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