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6 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

I actually don't know why that was a grenade. But it's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it. Whatever its pronoun.

 

When the whole world is out to get you, everything is a weapon.  

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I won't ask him to hold my beer then, lol. Hope you can get the disappeared threads back. 

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13 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Can any of you give me the name of the poster who got the ban?  the modern iteration of A4E?

@dg_sailingfan

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

no he was posting today, and said he was leaving himself.  

I think that's the point, haven't seen it but it seems he outed Fourourselves with facebook details and made comments about his wife and kid/s, as I say haven't seen it, so could be slightly off target, but that's the gist of it.

Seems the ETNZ (which is where this happened) has been taken out, but not the offender. 

If you could please help get the thread back, but loose the looser (we've seen him leave before, but likes piles he keeps coming back and is a pain in the ass), I for one would be a happy bunny.

I don't think any of us have a problem with people stating their views, that's what forums are about.

I do have a problem with people just being asshats for the sake of it.

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For the record, I never saw the post where he outed my FB recently, as I had him on ignore. I was told by another poster that it had happened, and the thread was gone by the time I went to look. It was the second time it had happened. the first time was Team_GBR where he outed my FB and made comments about my Wife after he made a bet with me that he lost. 

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^ not that I like any of this shit @Forourselves, but you never cuss, something I'm guilty of, you never play the man mostly the ball. Anyway seems clean is on it, nice to have an adult in the room.

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31 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Is that the new one?

yes, boat 7 with new wing

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9 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

he's a really good kid.  

Agreed.  He's a really good kid.

Now, how about telling us please about efforts to unscramble the forum threads clusterfuck here!

 I value SA for stuff like Weta27's excellent and persistent vid coverage of ETNZ.  Will we see it again soon?

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48 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Clean told us he left SA

stopped working for SA but still hanging about when i need to procrastinate

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2 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Agreed.  He's a really good kid.

Now, how about telling us please about efforts to unscramble the forum threads clusterfuck here!

 I value SA for stuff like Weta27's excellent and persistent vid coverage of ETNZ.  Will we see it again soon?

not my fuckup!  

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"AND THEN THERE WERE SEVEN.

The seventh F50 is ready to hit the water for testing in New Zealand. Any guesses which team will be racing it next season?"

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26 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

stopped working for SA but still hanging about when i need to procrastinate

and push your agenda.

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On 12/3/2019 at 2:22 AM, NeedAClew said:

Still wondering what the answer is.

Also wondering why every time people questioned or critiqued or (gasp!) criticized SGP management  and business announcements they got labeled as haters or tied to the past or bitter AC fans and whingers, when here DG is smugly writing off the two developing Asian teams ?  

As I said, I am more optimistic for them and by extension SGP development pipeline than one of their prominent fanboys. Weird.

If SGP is going to live long and prosper, people who never helmed AC50s are going to have to excel at helming F50s.  Similarly for trimmers and controllers.  Otherwise, the series is over when the originals age out or move on. 

I expect new people will develop coming from other classes. Look at the French team. 

Why so negative?!?

I agree NeedAClew. Do people in more 'developed sailing nations' ultimately feel threatened by the up and coming countries? I don't know.

Japan is hardly a beginner when it comes to sailing as a sport. They have had a team (Sled) that takes part in the TP52 Super Series, are a former AC entry and some of their 470 sailors are pretty useful and if you want to win an Olympic Gold in the 470 class the opinion seems to be you need North Sails (Japan) sails to stand a chance.  

China is much further down the sailing development curve but they deserve to be encouraged, not written off.

To put it in perspective, next year the oldest yacht club in the world celebrates it's 300th anniversary (Royal Cork) while a tenth of that (30 years) ago China had NO sailing clubs. They have in recent years had a Chinese backed team that has won the Volvo Ocean Race and a Chinese yacht achieved a 1st overall in ORCi in the Sydney Hobart.

They are developing and not afraid to use foreign coaches. For example the49er team has an Olympic Gold medalist in the class as their coach. More power to them. How else could they be expected to develop or grow?

In the 19 years I have been in China I have seen the grass roots of our sport grow in both quantity and quality, no need for a "Saving Sailing" attitude here, that's for sure. Everybody was a beginner once at whatever they do or wherever they are on the curve and efforts deserve to be encouraged.

SailGP claim on most (if not all but haven't checked) team sub-sites that SailGP is "The future of (insert country) sailing". There they are quite wrong there, foiling, wing-sails (multi-element all the way through to soft or otherwise) is not the future of sailing. That doesn't make it not fun to watch, on line or live

Canting keels and stadium racing (developed by Mark Turner and OC Sport a decade before Russell Coutts and SailGP) were also hailed as the way ahead yet still have yet to become the "future".

SailGP is cool, make no mistake but the winner take all final race with an empty racecourse (in my view) doesn't give the grand finale they think it does - 2 boats racing compared to 6 in the other 5 races stadium type racing may be a format sailors are familiar with but to the non-sailor perhaps not so much. But nothing is perfect. 

To pick up on your point, the youth, the less experienced, even the adult beginner is the future of our sport. To use an expression relevant to China "Bamboo grows from the ground up, not the sky down. The wider the base of a pyramid the taller the pinnacle and if the base is not maintained (attracting newcomers) then the pinnacle is less likely to be maintained.

I am not saying that SailGP is not exciting, nor am I saying it is not good for our sport and I just wonder how the likes of DG and others 'get off' on criticizing the efforts of others trying to promote our sport.

Of course they (Russell & Larry) are not being altruistic, but what's in it for them really should be of no concern to others unless sailing is suffering because of their self interest but that doesn't seem to be the case and there is certainly no one else with anything similar although you never know what is round the corner.

Isn't it peculiar however that often those that do least complain the most?

SS

 

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5 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

not my fuckup!  

Never said it was, mate!  Just figured you of all people would have some idea of the way out of this mess.

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On 12/3/2019 at 11:54 AM, Forourselves said:

For the record, I never saw the post where he outed my FB recently, as I had him on ignore. I was told by another poster that it had happened, and the thread was gone by the time I went to look. It was the second time it had happened. the first time was Team_GBR where he outed my FB and made comments about my Wife after he made a bet with me that he lost. 

It doesn't matter what someone thinks of you Forourselves, rules are rules and if we have an opinion about someone or want to have a pop at someone it should be done here.

He should, in the parlance of our sport, be 69'ed. And I don't know(or care really) who we are talking about but we all know the rules of the forum. 

Just my tuppence worth.

SS

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On 12/3/2019 at 7:32 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

Not sure, if someone has been spamming threads they can be removed as a spam-bot, which automatically deletes all evidence of their existence, including threads they started. It's rare that a non-bot gets that treatment though unless there is a legal issue.  I have no idea what happened but there are not a lot of admins here.

To clear the matter up - the Editor has held his hands up and claimed responsibility -hit the wrong button or some other such computer error.

Said as much on Ocean Anarchy - give the guy his due, he admits he fucked up.

So who is going to throw the first stone? Anyone here NOT live is a glass house?

SS

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10 hours ago, bigrpowr said:

and push your agenda.

The two major things I'm working on now are (1) assisting large scale hemp production businesses to integrate institutional investors into their fundraising using using the Qualified Opportunity Zone program and (2) helping banks and credit unions to comply with state and federal law in the banking of marijuana-related businesses.

Which of these agendas am i pushing?

  

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16 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Edibles supplier for SGP events?  LOL :)

Happy to taste test.

 

Sell the sponsorship and I'm sure there's 15% in it for ya.  In kind?

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Not a lot new here except Mason and Hunter "may" still be involved in the Ineos GB team and RC says all the teams came in "under budget" presumably that was the $5m plus $2m for shared tech. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesayles/2019/12/03/olympic-legend-sir-ben-ainslie-joins-team-gbr-for-sailgp-second-series-as-he-targets-americas-cup-glory/

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The new F50 may be sailing got link in my feed but there is a NZ paywall. Maybe some of you are subscribers. Anybody seen likely "new team" people up there?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/premium/news/article.cfm?c_id=1504669&objectid=12290868

 

Moth Worlds getting going http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2019/12/04/this-insect-keeps-hatching-eggs/

Several SGP sailors including SGP Team Australia's Slinsgby, Langford, and Fowler and SGP Team USA's Johnson (he is Australian, so much for the SGP nationality rule in a pinch) and Kirby are competing.  Johnson won the WA Moth State Championship and is favored to do well.

 

 

 

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No mention of it on SGP social media, cuz they ain't family no more, but Fletcher and Bithell placed 3rd in 49er Worlds. All best to them!

http://www.sailweb.co.uk/2019/12/08/49er-49erfx-and-nacra17-worlds-gold-for-nzl-ned-ita-in-auckland/

https://www.sail-world.com/news/224834/Bronze-for-Fletcher-and-Bithell-at-49er-Worlds

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1 hour ago, NeedAClew said:

No mention of it on SGP social media, cuz they ain't family no more, but Fletcher and Bithell placed 3rd in 49er Worlds. All best to them!

http://www.sailweb.co.uk/2019/12/08/49er-49erfx-and-nacra17-worlds-gold-for-nzl-ned-ita-in-auckland/

https://www.sail-world.com/news/224834/Bronze-for-Fletcher-and-Bithell-at-49er-Worlds

Not to mention this guy over in the Nacra fleet.

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2 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Not to mention this guy over in the Nacra fleet.

And don't forget Bill Besson and Marie Riou in 15th. only, as they used to do much better. Maybe too much distracted by SailGP, or in Marie's case still with the Volvo in her legs. Which brings me onto my other Volvo favourite (apart from Marie Riou, and many others :P), Martine Grael with a 2nd, missing 1st place in a spectacular fashion :

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BTW, interesting comments in Catsailingnews:

Note the nose down trim of both Nacra 17s, already seen in some videos from Bissaro. Its a la AC50 nose down = more speed. Only drawback for these smaller platforms (vs an AC50) is how waves or chops can put a hard brake to your speed, which might define a race , a title or even a Gold Medal in Tokyo.

As demonstrated nicely in the medal race:

And isn't that a proper race, and NOT a circus act !

https://www.catsailingnews.com/2019/12/nacra-17-worlds-2019-gold-race-2-battle-highlights-waterhouse-darmamin-vs-besson-riou.html

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1 hour ago, accnick said:

Speaking of the Nacra, don't forget Jason Waterhouse of Australia SailGP. Pretty good performance by him, too!

Yes indeed, a bronze medal for him. Sorry to have missed that, I don't really follow all the SailGP much because the live is geoblocked here, and can't stand the pro wrestling style reporting. I will watch it if they make it an all woman event, like this, with Martine fly by live. Oh, always had a bit of a hard spot for NED girls too, though all these girls are pretty awesome really.

 

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Saw a Facebook video of the new boat out on the water in good form. 

The post was "F-50 sending and testing". 

I do not know how to get Facebook content easy to access here.

 

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22 minutes ago, P Flados said:

Saw a Facebook video of the new boat out on the water in good form. 

The post was "F-50 sending and testing". 

I do not know how to get Facebook content easy to access here.

 

It’s ok. Most of us are used to being unable to watch them sail. 

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Weird my phone has new UI and wants to hide posts. Perhaps an omen to post more that sparks joy.

Anyway they are apparently having a press conference tomorrow morning. Guess they are announcing Denmark, but if anyone watches it, wonder if they will announce other personnel changes or new team sponsors?

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Only tangentially related, but the Oracle-San Francisco relationship seems to be going through another rough patch. They are moving OpenWorld to Las Vegas. 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/SF-loses-Oracle-s-huge-OpenWorld-tech-14896544.php

Apparently the decrepit city's flaws for Oracle customers are not a concern for SGP attendees? 

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^That's weird statement because in their presser they introduced the Rockwool CEO sponsor, the Danish team CEO Hohh-Christensen, and the Danish helm Sehested. Said they were an all Danish team selecting the rest in NZ. Rockwool makes insulation or something. 3 years with option for 3 more. Planning 10 teams overall.

Sail World has article and link to presser video, it is very boring but I skimmed it. Around 28:00 the sponsor said their expectations were for good corporate guest experiences in all the venues, engaging Copenhagen crowds, and "accommodations" from RC to get their team up to speed. I guess that is more boat training time than the Original 6 (minus AUS and JPN) got. But who knows.  RC waffling on Copenhagen 2020 or 2021, Rockwool clearly expects it but I guess venue deal $$$ not worked out.

https://www.sail-world.com/news/224892/Denmark-SailGP-announced-as-seventh-team

 

Video link in article.

 

 

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From Sailworld: https://www.sail-world.com/news/224892/Denmark-SailGP-announced-as-seventh-team

 

SailGP CEO Sir Russell Coutts said: “The addition of the Danish team adds a lot of excitement heading into SailGP Season 2, which is shaping up to be another super competitive sporting championship. Denmark has achieved remarkable success in Olympic sailing and will now compete at the top level against the best sailors from six other nations in incredibly high tech, foiling, wingsailed catamarans. In addition, it’s fantastic to welcome Rockwool as the main partner of the Denmark SailGP Team. This is probably one of the most exciting developments in Danish sailing for many years as it provides a new pathway for top young sailors who aspire to race professionally for their country.”

 

I love press releases that attribute intelligent and well composed comments to people who can barely string a sentence together.

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Optimistic article. Ainslie big draw, SGP ran under budget S1 and is reportedly "profitable" due to Ineos infusion of $ in year contract.

But Draper was "Surprised" to be off the boat but understands why they booted him  off and Fletcher Bithell off to concentrate the Olympics. 

https://www.cityam.com/sailgp-is-aiming-to-make-a-splash-in-its-second-year-after-the-arrival-of-sir-ben-ainslie/

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Clarity fixed a mistake

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10 hours ago, Ex-yachtie said:

From Sailworld: https://www.sail-world.com/news/224892/Denmark-SailGP-announced-as-seventh-team

I love press releases that attribute intelligent and well composed comments to people who can barely string a sentence together.

Point taken. Though it sorely needs pruning and editing.  Hardly well-composed comments when they purport to report the spoken word.

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Whangarei is more than a 100 kms from Auckland so I doubt they'll meet. Wussel wouldn't want to risk his beach cat being shown up either.

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WTF?! China is out, Spain in for season 2. At least they can use red boat.  Valencia here we come?

Coutts said "did not get necessary permissions" for China Team.  And they recently posted about training, too. #SAD for the team members that wanted to continue.

http://www.sailweb.co.uk/2019/12/17/spain-sailgp-team-replace-china-in-season-2-lineup/

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SGP press statement said about the same except they remain supportive of youth development in China, hope to rekindle the affair, blah blah. Tacked Spain into video blurb. Dunno if just money, politics, or both. 

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Another bit of info

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sailing-sailgp/sailing-spain-sets-sights-on-sailgp-after-china-jumps-ship-idUSKBN1YL1QQ

SGP looks forward to working with "some" of China Team. Maybe Phil is testing new equipment? Seemed to be earlier this month. Paul Campbell-James and Liu Xue also mentioned no particulars. 

Article notes Youth AC in foiling monohulls sponsored by China Sports Industry Group.

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Well they claim they have such interest they were easily able to pass along the boat. 

But it is definitely a shame for SGP China sailors and rest of team that don't get a YAC gig or better. And a loss of viewers I would think. 

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1 minute ago, NeedAClew said:

Well they claim they have such interest they were easily able to pass along the boat. 

But it is definitely a shame for SGP China sailors and rest of team that don't get a YAC gig or better. And a loss of viewers I would think. 

The press release is very strange.  No humans mentioned, no yacht club, no sponsor - just "Spain," which is notorious for not paying a dime on sailing projects since the King had to rescind all the tax breaks he doled out for sailing sponsors. There's gotta be a good story behind this deal.  Shanghai? Whatcha know?

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One things for sure. Spain, in the current economic environment won't be able to keep that kind of funding going for too long. Larry is probably funding both new teams until eventually they drop out after Larry cuts them off.

This is what happens when you put Russell Coutts in charge. Great sailor! But shit at running his own series.

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2 minutes ago, Forourselves said:

One things for sure. Spain, in the current economic environment won't be able to keep that kind of funding going for too long.

I'll be shocked if anyone from Spain paid a dime.  Russell has been known to give up his ass for a venue hosting commitment though. 

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For the moment I don't see a lot of sponsors for any of the teams, except for Ineos of course, but that can change. Spain has Telefónica, a multi-national corporation. There are other companies in Spain that have the money too. If they will jump in is anybody's guess...

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Maybe they got King Felipe. He was on the sailing team in the Olympics iirc. He probably has $7m.

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Odd press release. 

One thought, a sponsor from Spain has turned up and without enough time to build them a boat they had to eject a non-sponsored team. Couldn't get rid of the two finalists AUS and JPN, who are probably the most likely to pull sponsors on board anyway. Then they can't chuck USA, as that's Larrys team... which leaves FRA or CHN. Surprised CHN went over FRA as CHN is more likely to have the cash whilst the french are pretty devoted to shorthanded offshore. 

But, if Spain have come aboard with a sponsor it seems odd to do the press release like this? Why not wait until you're ready to fully announce the Spanish team alongside their sponsor for maximum impact?  That would also give FRA and CHN a month to battle it out to find a sponsor.

So, i reckon something must have gone bad with CHN/ venues in CHN/ broadcasting in china that made it a tricky sell. Maybe the Spanish sponsor isn't a 'full' sponsor, and the team needed some sort of public announcement to find additional backers? 

Who knows, certainly seems a little off though. Will be interesting to hear more in January.

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3 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said:

Odd press release. 

One thought, a sponsor from Spain has turned up and without enough time to build them a boat they had to eject a non-sponsored team. Couldn't get rid of the two finalists AUS and JPN, who are probably the most likely to pull sponsors on board anyway. Then they can't chuck USA, as that's Larrys team... which leaves FRA or CHN. Surprised CHN went over FRA as CHN is more likely to have the cash whilst the french are pretty devoted to shorthanded offshore. 

But, if Spain have come aboard with a sponsor it seems odd to do the press release like this? Why not wait until you're ready to fully announce the Spanish team alongside their sponsor for maximum impact?  That would also give FRA and CHN a month to battle it out to find a sponsor.

So, i reckon something must have gone bad with CHN/ venues in CHN/ broadcasting in china that made it a tricky sell. Maybe the Spanish sponsor isn't a 'full' sponsor, and the team needed some sort of public announcement to find additional backers? 

Who knows, certainly seems a little off though. Will be interesting to hear more in January.

Could be true, but could also be just a sloppy PR piece to keep the media mill churning during the actual down-time. Half-assed like so much by them.

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16 minutes ago, Mozzy Sails said:

Odd press release. 

One thought, a sponsor from Spain has turned up and without enough time to build them a boat they had to eject a non-sponsored team. Couldn't get rid of the two finalists AUS and JPN, who are probably the most likely to pull sponsors on board anyway. Then they can't chuck USA, as that's Larrys team... which leaves FRA or CHN. Surprised CHN went over FRA as CHN is more likely to have the cash whilst the french are pretty devoted to shorthanded offshore. 

But, if Spain have come aboard with a sponsor it seems odd to do the press release like this? Why not wait until you're ready to fully announce the Spanish team alongside their sponsor for maximum impact?  That would also give FRA and CHN a month to battle it out to find a sponsor.

So, i reckon something must have gone bad with CHN/ venues in CHN/ broadcasting in china that made it a tricky sell. Maybe the Spanish sponsor isn't a 'full' sponsor, and the team needed some sort of public announcement to find additional backers? 

Who knows, certainly seems a little off though. Will be interesting to hear more in January.

Truth be told SGP Team Australia is more Larry's team; more of them defended for him. If he fucks with them wrt sponsorship and business that would be unusually callous.

I did think France more likely to bail or be booted especially because Phil R and Team China had been posting photos of testing the new boat in NZ, using the simulator, making Liu a trimmer. I think it  may be a surprise for them. 

@Rennmaus said over in MHA it might be visas for Chinese citizens. 

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1 minute ago, NeedAClew said:

Truth be told SGP Team Australia is more Larry's team; more of them defended for him. If he fucks with them wrt sponsorship and business that would be unusually callous.

I did think France more likely to bail or be booted especially because Phil R and Team China had been posting photos of testing the new boat in NZ, using the simulator, making Liu a trimmer. I think it  may be a surprise for them. 

@Rennmaus said over in MHA it might be visas for Chinese citizens. 

I corrected the post, as it might equally be the permit by the Chinese government for its citizens to leave the country. To me it looks like this permit is sometimes granted on a rather random basis, and you never know wherefrom the wind blows in the Chinese gov.

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We had a similar problem with the ESS when a team using China in the name entered. Essentially the Chinese govt said 'no'; after months of arguing/haggling it was like talking to a brick wall. My guess is that China wanted  to run the team, and so did SailGP.... 

I met a Spaniard from 'Spanish Impulse', who was hoping to put a team into SailGP, last month. Maybe they have found a bit more money. Still, better than having a boat sat there... 

@Clean the Spanish tax break is still in existence, they are just waiting on the latest renewal. That's how Mapfre did the last VOR. 

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4 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

WTF?! China is out, Spain in for season 2. At least they can use red boat.  Valencia here we come?

Coutts said "did not get necessary permissions" for China Team.  And they recently posted about training, too. #SAD for the team members that wanted to continue.

http://www.sailweb.co.uk/2019/12/17/spain-sailgp-team-replace-china-in-season-2-lineup/

So, hang on, a week after Trumpeting news of a new boat and team, we're back to the same number of teams, with the new boat sitting on the hard?

 

Is that right?

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1 hour ago, Mozzy Sails said:


One thought, a sponsor from Spain has turned up and without enough time to build them a boat they had to eject a non-sponsored team.

 "We just MUST sponsor a team next year.  We are completely ready to give you money if you just get rid of another team.  And we're Spanish", said no one ever.

 two finalists AUS and JPN, who are probably the most likely to pull sponsors on board anyway.

I don't know where Aussie sponsors are to be found, neither do the Aussies.

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19 minutes ago, Potter said:

We had a similar problem with the ESS when a team using China in the name entered. Essentially the Chinese govt said 'no'; after months of arguing/haggling it was like talking to a brick wall. My guess is that China wanted  to run the team, and so did SailGP.... 

I met a Spaniard from 'Spanish Impulse', who was hoping to put a team into SailGP, last month. Maybe they have found a bit more money. Still, better than having a boat sat there... 

@Clean the Spanish tax break is still in existence, they are just waiting on the latest renewal. That's how Mapfre did the last VOR. 

The break is very very different now though Potter, and the journalists are watching any possible misuse of the 'new' version like hawks to make sure his kingness ain't fucking with the people's money 'cause he likes yachts anymore

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46 minutes ago, Potter said:

We had a similar problem with the ESS when a team using China in the name entered. Essentially the Chinese govt said 'no'; after months of arguing/haggling it was like talking to a brick wall. My guess is that China wanted  to run the team, and so did SailGP.... 

I met a Spaniard from 'Spanish Impulse', who was hoping to put a team into SailGP, last month. Maybe they have found a bit more money. Still, better than having a boat sat there... 

@Clean the Spanish tax break is still in existence, they are just waiting on the latest renewal. That's how Mapfre did the last VOR. 

I think you got it. A quick snoop on social Oct 24 hugs with RC

 

 

 

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There will be s complete new commentary team as well for season 2 

loads of changes 

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6 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Hope the Australians get sponsors.  

They just gotta keep winning the million.

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5 minutes ago, barfy said:

They just gotta keep winning the million.

I never did hear how the money was split. 

Not likely the sailors would chip in to fund their own team.  They are in it to make money, not spend it.  

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1 minute ago, P Flados said:

I never did hear how the money was split. 

Not likely the sailors would chip in to fund their own team.  They are in it to make money, not spend it.  

"ubstantial monetary prize in the sport, US$1 million. Slingsby plans to distribute the prize money amongst both sailors and shore crew, who he credits as being instrumental in the success of the team on the water."

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This announcement coming on the heels of the Chinese involvement in the AC youth program. A coincidence? Unlikely, whether coerced by the Kiwis or not, the Chinese have decided to dump GP for the AC youth series. This is a major blow for the GP, no doubt about that. Robertson was in NZ last week testing the new wing, so this has all happened very fast as this scrambled press release attests.

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1 hour ago, tbm said:

There will be s complete new commentary team as well for season 2 

So they've dumped Jody? Well that is a plus. Knew his shit about sailing, but the bogan accent really grated. I wonder if Shirley still has a gig?

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Found this rummaging around the web. Google translate not great, but seems to confirm the suspicion by @Potter that it is Spanish Impulse, members of which are also Olympics hopefuls. https://www.expansion.com/nauta360/regatas/2019/12/17/5df8cdefe5fdeac61a8b4623.html

Three of them apparently had Coutts to dinner in Marseille tomdiscuss SGP.  Story has link to video that the Instagram pic was from.

Now what is interesting is the end of the story raises the question of funding. Possibly this is not one of RC's "full funding" new teams? The article says the easy button is tapping Larry. Well, they say "the most feasible and fast route (to the 5 million)  leads to Ellison who could bear the majority of the expenses with the aim of not losing a member of the fleet." 

New commentators? I do hope they keep Shirley. The Sailing Illustrated thing today apparently had Ehman saying good things about the SGP press people who are having him help promote it. 

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24 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

Now what is interesting is the end of the story raises the question of funding.

Dónde está el dinero?

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21 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Hoy tenemos Espana !

https://sailgp.com/teams/spain/

 

That's certainly big news.

The lineup for the Spain SailGP Team will be announced in Madrid in late January following training in New Zealand.

Thanks  T.R.

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30 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Larry y los equipos tienen dinero. Donde esta el problema ?

El problema es que Larry está aburrido de los fondos Sailgp.

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3 minutes ago, Fiji Bitter said:

That's certainly big news.

The lineup for the Spain SailGP Team will be announced in Madrid in late January following training in New Zealand.

Thanks  T.R.

Entiendes ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/spain-to-replace-china-in-sailgp-global-leagues-2nd-season/2019/12/17/3853670a-210a-11ea-b034-de7dc2b5199b_story.html

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9 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

So Phil R is believed to get "some role" with the Spanish Team per the above link. 

Weird when they promote the nationality aspect of the comp, that they can just shuffle the skippers around. So Phil has to go from being a massive fan of barbecued pork to totally in love with paelle?

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14 minutes ago, Horn Rock said:

Weird when they promote the nationality aspect of the comp, that they can just shuffle the skippers around. So Phil has to go from being a massive fan of barbecued pork to totally in love with paelle?

Well they did that when they needed a new USA wing trimmer, nary a word about the exception. Or maybe we are so bad they decided we are developing. But to announce and hype a bunch of rules and then waive them when needed is meh.

 

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8 minutes ago, NeedAClew said:

But to announce and hype a bunch of rules and then waive them when needed is meh.

Probably why I can't find any betting odds for Sailgp. You need a level of transparency for the betting companies to issue odds. The way they manipulate training times for the crews is just one example of how contrived this whole thing is. Shifting around skippers is another.

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2 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Solamente Larry quiere que SGP sea autosuficiente.

Apenas sorprendente ya que no es barato correr. Sin su dinero, SailGP está muerto en el agua.

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