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5 minutes ago, sclarke said:

I'm not exactly going to go and ask consent to publish names and contacts on SA. Anyway, You hear that Surfsailor and Team_GBR "No name, means nothing" Guess we can end this thread now.

YOU are the one asking proof and press release, so practice you own medicine.

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8 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

YOU are the one asking proof and press release, so practice you own medicine.

I was asked to prove the "Made up email" wasn't made up, which I just did.

I've asked you and your friends time and time again to prove anything they've claimed, and to date...nothing. Now you want names which I clearly can't publish without consent, not that they need to be published 

 

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1 hour ago, sclarke said:

I was asked to prove the "Made up email" wasn't made up, which I just did.

I've asked you and your friends time and time again to prove anything they've claimed, and to date...nothing. Now you want names which I clearly can't publish without consent, not that they need to be published 

 

How did a redacted cut and paste prove anything?  

Exhibit A:

H***** H*****
5:33 PM (13 hours ago)
to me 
Thanks S****,
Appreciate your touching base!  We’re really excited about what Larry has planned!  Those boats were so much more fun than the new shit boxes we got forced into. Oh well. Hope you’re feeling better by the way, I’ve heard syphillis can be rough. 
Cheers
H*****  

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How does it not? Redacted or not, it proves it actually exists which is more than what can be said for anything that you've brought to the table.

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2 minutes ago, sclarke said:

How does it not?

It doesn’t because my obviously edited version is just as credible as your edited version. There is currently no proof as to which version is fake, other than the fact that I’m honest. 

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4 minutes ago, Monkey said:

It doesn’t because my obviously edited version is just as credible as your edited version. There is currently no proof as to which version is fake, other than the fact that I’m honest. 

Other than the fact you just said "my obviously edited version" which proves you just edited it, so yours is the fake one, not mine.

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43 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Those boats were so much more fun than the new shit boxes we got forced into

By the way, you just proved my point. You're just making shit up about some phantom series because your team lost and your boat is dead. Glad we got there in the end.

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3 hours ago, sclarke said:

By the way, you just proved my point. You're just making shit up about some phantom series because your team lost and your boat is dead. Glad we got there in the end.

You may want to get checked out. I’m a little concerned the STD part didn’t offend you. 

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3 hours ago, sclarke said:

Other than the fact you just said "my obviously edited version" which proves you just edited it, so yours is the fake one, not mine.

Thank you Captain Dumbass. You just proved what you posted isn’t worth anything. If I wasn’t honest, how could you prove which one was real based on what you gave us?  

Keep trying Princess. 

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41 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Thank you Captain Dumbass. You just proved what you posted isn’t worth anything. If I wasn’t honest, how could you prove which one was real based on what you gave us?  

Keep trying Princess. 

You just don't get it. You are thick as a brick. End of story. Your series aint happening. Deal with it.

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4 hours ago, sclarke said:

You just don't get it. You are thick as a brick. End of story. Your series aint happening. Deal with it.

Its quite obvious that you are having a mid life crisis @sclarke, you are trying to make yourself out to be this bigshot who knows everything, when really you are just a no life who never made it in the sailing world. 

I hate to burst your little make believe bubble but this series is happening, dates and most of the venues are confirmed. The fact you still think this series is rivalling the Americas Cup shows that you know literally nothing about sailing.Multiple people have pointed this out to you all ready but ill do it again to see if this sinks through your thick skull, the Americas Cup is match racing, this new series is fleet racing. You probably still can't tell the difference which proves how disabled you really are.

 

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32 minutes ago, Anon said:

Its quite obvious that you are having a mid life crisis @sclarke, you are trying to make yourself out to be this bigshot who knows everything, when really you are just a no life who never made it in the sailing world. 

I hate to burst your little make believe bubble but this series is happening, dates and most of the venues are confirmed. The fact you still think this series is rivalling the Americas Cup shows that you know literally nothing about sailing.Multiple people have pointed this out to you all ready but ill do it again to see if this sinks through your thick skull, the Americas Cup is match racing, this new series is fleet racing. You probably still can't tell the difference which proves how disabled you really are.

 

Dates are not confirmed. Venues are not confirmed. Nothing is confirmed. There is nothing you can say that can dispute that...nothing. If you can prove what you're saying...go ahead and do it. I challenge you to do it. Prove it.

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4 minutes ago, sclarke said:

Dates are not confirmed. Venues are not confirmed. Nothing is confirmed. There is nothing you can say that can dispute that...nothing. If you can prove what you're saying...go ahead and do it. I challenge you to do it. Prove it.

Its not my place to say. If you were relevant in the sailing would you would all ready know this info.

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17 minutes ago, Anon said:

Its not my place to say. If you were relevant in the sailing would you would all ready know this info.

ETNZ are in the sailing world, and they don't even know if its true or not! If you can't back up your claims and walk your talk, its just that...talk, and it means nothing. If you can't walk your talk, shut up and don't say anything. Or at least stop using words like "confirmed" because its not.

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21 minutes ago, Anon said:

If you were relevant in the sailing would you would all ready know this info.

Arse.

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How long before the first regatta was superfoiler officially announced? Wasn't it in June 2017 for a first regatta in Feb 2018?

Target date for the first regatta is around Dec 2019 for the non-AC50's serie which mean they still have plenty of time to get arrangements done and announce it well in time. It is always preferable to have your product in a near-finished state before starting to sell it, so they are probably trying to have most teams, venues, broadcasts options figured out before any sort of official announcement.
 

 

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1 hour ago, sclarke said:

ETNZ are in the sailing world, and they don't even know if its true or not! If you can't back up your claims and walk your talk, its just that...talk, and it means nothing. If you can't walk your talk, shut up and don't say anything. Or at least stop using words like "confirmed" because its not.

@sclarke ETNZ most likely knows exactly what is happening buddy. Once again it isn't their place to say however, especially to you of all people!

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15 hours ago, surfsailor said:

6 pages of being trolled by Sclarke (who is probably a Random sock)? And now a ‘serious’ discussion about the implications of his made up ‘email from ETNZ’?! Here’s the sum total of his ‘argument’ - someone contributes something, and then he denies it with some convoluted, long winded drooling. 

Yikes!

PS - hey Sclarke - while you’re on the horn with ETNZ, see if you can get the skinny on the next generation of VOR boats as well! 

talk about a sad sock...sad sailor has never posited any proof to any argument yet except his know all humility. no link, no pic, nothing but shit vacuum.

keep it up buddy.

oh, there was a pic of a wind surfer with a 10 degree windward heel that we were asked to not dismiss as a hallucination.

Back to the bong buddy

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9 hours ago, Anon said:

@sclarke ETNZ most likely knows exactly what is happening buddy. Once again it isn't their place to say however, especially to you of all people!

Haha careful mate, its not your place to say what ETNZ "most likely" knows. This series is "Fake news"

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On 5/12/2018 at 7:58 AM, Potter said:

Just because there has not been a press release doesn't negate the fact that these are facts. As someone who works in the industry, and is directly affected by the F50, a lot of that list is fact, it is just not announced. 

Red Bull and Alinghi both looked at entering teams, but declined for different reasons. As I understand it there will be 5 teams on the first start line in early 2019.

 LE is funding almost all of the early events to get it up and running. It will be interesting to see how long he allows that to go on for. 

One of those teams has pulled the plug, but organizers will probably use the 5th boat as something of a trial horse/guest spot.  It is basically an RC-44 circuit (made up of RC44 alum owners) for big multihulls.  It will have great media and great hospitality at the beginning...but Larry will eventually do what he always does with his toys

1) Make a 3 or 4 year plan that looks amazing and sell it to a bunch of gullible sponsors and municipal employees and elected officials

2) Do lots of PR and spend a fortune on fireworks and stunts and design and banners and comms

3) Spare no expense for year 1 to produce something awesome

4) Pull back in year 2 when the inevitable happens and the numbers don't match expectations and the venues realize they're getting shafted

5) Cut budget to  'essentials only' in year 3 and see if anyone else will pick up the slack.

6) Kill it.

 

Still, it should be fun for a while, and who knows?  Maybe Kanye will get a ride and all of a sudden 100 million people will start watching cat racing.  

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Still, it should be fun for a while

 

"Fun for a while" is the best most of us can hope for. It's good enough for me.

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13 hours ago, sclarke said:

Haha careful mate, its not your place to say what ETNZ "most likely" knows. This series is "Fake news"

Fine then you win, its not happening.

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14 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

One of those teams has pulled the plug, but organizers will probably use the 5th boat as something of a trial horse/guest spot.  It is basically an RC-44 circuit (made up of RC44 alum owners) for big multihulls.  It will have great media and great hospitality at the beginning...but Larry will eventually do what he always does with his toys

1) Make a 3 or 4 year plan that looks amazing and sell it to a bunch of gullible sponsors and municipal employees and elected officials

2) Do lots of PR and spend a fortune on fireworks and stunts and design and banners and comms

3) Spare no expense for year 1 to produce something awesome

4) Pull back in year 2 when the inevitable happens and the numbers don't match expectations and the venues realize they're getting shafted

5) Cut budget to  'essentials only' in year 3 and see if anyone else will pick up the slack.

6) Kill it.

 

Still, it should be fun for a while, and who knows?  Maybe Kanye will get a ride and all of a sudden 100 million people will start watching cat racing.  

 

 

 

Is it not worth getting behind?
If the sailing media get behind it then it can only be good for the sport.
It has a better chance of inspiring kids to get out on the water than most other regattas.

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43 minutes ago, MischiefBDA said:

Is it not worth getting behind?
If the sailing media get behind it then it can only be good for the sport.
It has a better chance of inspiring kids to get out on the water than most other regattas.

Is that the dream they sold to you last time? You're like Springfield and the Monorail. 

The "sailing media" is sadly the equivalent of "cross-stitch monthly". It has negligible impact on the world stage - the AC is rare exceptional beacon (for better or for worse) in our sport.  I know you are desperate for anything happening in Bermuda to be relevant, but this ain't it.

You may have scoffed at AC36 number of current entrants, but it's more than Bermuda will ever see again, meanwhile it's third time round for Auckland, so be careful where you aim your scorn.

So glass houses for you - Be sure to let us know when you have an actual team that secures your island the hosting rights without just being the most ahem "accommodating" option... ;-)

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15 hours ago, surfsailor said:

Always great to have you contribute to the forum!

thanks numb nuts.

do let me know when the OD rule comes out for foil and rudder rake control systems, wing control, and wings.

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3 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Is that the dream they sold to you last time? You're like Springfield and the Monorail. 

The "sailing media" is sadly the equivalent of "cross-stitch monthly". It has negligible impact on the world stage - the AC is rare exceptional beacon (for better or for worse) in our sport.  I know you are desperate for anything happening in Bermuda to be relevant, but this ain't it.

You may have scoffed at AC36 number of current entrants, but it's more than Bermuda will ever see again, meanwhile it's third time round for Auckland, so be careful where you aim your scorn.

So glass houses for you - Be sure to let us know when you have an actual team that secures your island the hosting rights without just being the most ahem "accommodating" option... ;-)

Would be vaguely relevant if my profile name was relevant to my nationality or place of residence. 
You're flinging your shit in the wrong direction bud.
Have another go x

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7 hours ago, MischiefBDA said:

Is it not worth getting behind?
If the sailing media get behind it then it can only be good for the sport.
It has a better chance of inspiring kids to get out on the water than most other regattas.

1) No, why? Because everyone knows, if i does go ahead, it is for the wrong reasons.

2) Sadly, the sailing media is still very traditional.

3) Does it? Winning an Olympic medal and/ or the Americas Cup is what inspires kids to go sailing. 

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2 hours ago, sclarke said:

1) No, why? Because everyone knows, if i does go ahead, it is for the wrong reasons.

2) Sadly, the sailing media is still very traditional.

3) Does it? Winning an Olympic medal and/ or the Americas Cup is what inspires kids to go sailing. 

Wasn't talking to you - you're a bore ..go away

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7 hours ago, MischiefBDA said:

Would be vaguely relevant if my profile name was relevant to my nationality or place of residence. 
You're flinging your shit in the wrong direction bud.
Have another go x

Fair enough...

My comments about sailing media still stand though...

So for better context for future discussions, where in the world do you reside/consider home?

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4 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Another series being run ‘for the wrong reasons’  :D

https://www.sail-world.com/news/205370/Stars-converge-on-Lake-Garda-for-GC32-Worlds

Nope, the GC32 filled a vacant spot in the market. There was no foiling catamaran series It was the foiling catamaran series of its kind. The AC50 series would be just another foiling catamaran series. 

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1 hour ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Haha you guys crack me up! lol, The GC32 was created to do something that wasn't being done at the time. Fleet racing foiling catamarans. It succeeded in its objective, so much so that the organisers of the ESS saw the GC32 as attractive enough to use in their own series. Therefor, the reason for its existence was/ is absolutely the right reason. At the time they were working on adapting the X40 fleet to foiling, but adopted the GC32 instead. If this series decided to also use the GC32, then it would be a non-issue, but they're using former AC boats, boats from a vision that is long dead. 

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18 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Fair enough...

My comments about sailing media still stand though...

So for better context for future discussions, where in the world do you reside/consider home?

Nomad :)

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18 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

It seems that nobody realized it NOT a Qwant, but Gonet, a new mono foiler that has been tested secretly until now.

https://www.adonnante.com/45084-lac-leman-prototype-bol-dor-2018-monofoil-gonet-un-voilier-novateur-sur-le-leman/

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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11 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

This has nothing to do with the GC32....

But everything to do with reasons for why different regattas should/ do exist.

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1 hour ago, sclarke said:

But everything to do with reasons for why different regattas should/ do exist.

By that argument, you’re not needed and only exist out of spite. There’s already several village idiots here, so why are you trying so hard to be another?

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2 hours ago, Monkey said:

By that argument, you’re not needed and only exist out of spite. There’s already several village idiots here, so why are you trying so hard to be another?

Coming from a guy who talks a whole lot of crap and tries to call it fact, then wants everyone to believe him. Trump, is that you?

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1 hour ago, sclarke said:

Coming from a guy who talks a whole lot of crap and tries to call it fact, then wants everyone to believe him. Trump, is that you?

Thanks for making my point. 

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7 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Thanks for making my point. 

I don't think even you know what your point was, but anyway, no worries.

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On 5/18/2018 at 4:37 PM, Tornado-Cat said:

It seems that nobody realized it NOT a Qwant, but Gonet, a new mono foiler that has been tested secretly until now.

https://www.adonnante.com/45084-lac-leman-prototype-bol-dor-2018-monofoil-gonet-un-voilier-novateur-sur-le-leman/

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  • lac-leman-bol-or-2018-banque-gonet-foils
    © Loris von Siebenthal
  • lac-leman-bol-or-2018-banque-gonet-foils
    © Loris von Siebenthal
  • lac-leman-bol-or-2018-banque-gonet-foils
    © Loris von Siebenthal
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Back to Gonet, it confirms what my swiss friends told me about 6 months ago, that they trained secretly on mono foilers. You can also not that their foils could look like half of the AC75 foil, the upper part.

That said, the boat does not look to be so fast downwind, otherwise they would not need their big code 0. Even smaller the much smaller Flying Phantom has smaller and flatter gennaker. The speed with the jib, probably upwind, seems more interesting.

I am very interested to see the AC75 flying but I still think any smaller multi will smoke it.

And now let's wait for clarkey well informed comment...

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24 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

 

I am very interested to see the AC75 flying but I still think any smaller multi will smoke it.

 

And?? Whats your point? 

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28 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

I was waiting for your always well informed comments, it did not take long :)

 

Well, you asked. Again, to what do I owe the pleasure? Do you have a point? Or are you wasting my (and your) time?...again

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1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Yep :D

 

1 minute ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Yep :D

Figures. If we're going to waste time, we might as well talk about "Larrys AC50 circus" because 1) Its the topic of this thread, and 2) Its also a huge waste of time :)

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6 minutes ago, sclarke said:

 

Figures. If we're going to waste time, we might as well talk about "Larrys AC50 circus" because 1) Its the topic of this thread, and 2) Its also a huge waste of time :)

Clarkey any press release ?

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10 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Clarkey any press release ?

Nope. I talked to a guy the other day from the deep state who told me that. But just believe me, even though I have no evidence what so ever, I know this for a fact, so you should just believe Me.

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3 hours ago, sclarke said:

Nope. I talked to a guy the other day from the deep state who told me that. But just believe me, even though I have no evidence what so ever, I know this for a fact, so you should just believe Me.

Know what for a fact matey?

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3 hours ago, nav said:

Check out Clause 34 ANTI-AMBUSH OBLIGATIONS

specifically 34.3 Ambush Regatta

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8BTnNO2cz5Dc1Jfb25DazRyM2s/view

:lol:

"A competitor means defender or challenger as the context requires"

"A challenger means a yacht club that has been accepted"

So RNZYS prohibits YC from having more than one team and one yacht and prevents them from participating to other possibly competing regatta.

That is like if GLS had forbidden any challenger to compete in any other event. What crap. It makes GGYC look good.

But you know what, the AC50 does not compete with the AC. :D

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^

How is RNZYS prohibiting a Challenger to have more than one AC boat? 2 boats are allowed, but they're not allowed to sail at the same time. Sounds similar to the GGYC protocol for AC34 and 35 (?).

Please let us know when a challenging YC had more than one team in the regatta.

During the GGYC ACs challengers needed permission to take part in other regattas (not 100% sure about the wording, but if I'm wrong, someone hereabouts will certainly let me know). In the RNZYS protocol, these regattas are at least qualified.

The above criticism of the RNZYS protocol is silly, forced and far-fetched. It is neither worse nor better than the previous ones. The latter is the actual issue.

 

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2 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

^

1) How is RNZYS prohibiting a Challenger to have more than one AC boat? 2 boats are allowed, but they're not allowed to sail at the same time. Sounds similar to the GGYC protocol for AC34 and 35 (?).

2) Please let us know when a challenging YC had more than one team in the regatta.

During the GGYC ACs challengers needed permission to take part in other regattas (not 100% sure about the wording, but if I'm wrong, someone hereabouts will certainly let me know). In the RNZYS protocol, these regattas are at least qualified.

3) The above criticism of the RNZYS protocol is silly, forced and far-fetched. It is neither worse nor better than the previous ones. The latter is the actual issue.

 

1) Yes, 2 boats but with one year difference, which makes it impossible for two teams. The AC is supposed to be about YCs, not teams

2) Why do you limit that to challengers ? NYYC had different teams

3) The above criticism comes because we all heard that it would be different and better. In fact it's the same or worse, at least on some aspects. You are wrong to say that the there is nothing worse, with the competitor forum Larry and Ernesto had done better.

I agree however on the venue and the choice of the boat.

The anti ambush regatta article tells that competitors can ask for the authorization, it will be interesting to see if it's tested.

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2 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

What does the ‘F’ stand for in the rumored ‘F50’ Class name. ‘Flying’?

"Fake"

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18 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Back to Gonet, it confirms what my swiss friends told me about 6 months ago, that they trained secretly on mono foilers. You can also not that their foils could look like half of the AC75 foil, the upper part.

That said, the boat does not look to be so fast downwind, otherwise they would not need their big code 0. Even smaller the much smaller Flying Phantom has smaller and flatter gennaker. The speed with the jib, probably upwind, seems more interesting.

I am very interested to see the AC75 flying but I still think any smaller multi will smoke it.

And now let's wait for clarkey well informed comment...

And no tacks in the video's.  Very telling 

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5 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

What does the ‘F’ stand for in the rumored ‘F50’ Class name. ‘Flying’?

Fifty

As in Fifty/50 chance of sailing again...Ever

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10 minutes ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Formula 50, Flying 50.

But also, Free 50, Formidable 50, Fascinating 50, Flabbergasting 50 :)

I would agree that its like F for formula like F1...

Either that or its named after the progenitor himself... you know... old Fuckface...

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5 minutes ago, rh2600 said:

I would agree that its like F for formula like F1...

Either that or its named after the progenitor himself... you know... old Fuckface...

^^ We agree on Formula I think !

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