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Bike Share graveyard after promoters go bankrupt  https://qz.com/1235417/bluegogo-and-didi-what-happens-when-your-bike-share-company-goes-out-of-business-in-china/

Bike sharing in China has been a roller coaster of boom and bust. While several services have caught on with consumers, the bubble has been marked with outpaced growth and rampant mismanagement. Tangled piles of unused bikes with no where to go have been a familiar site on streets of major Chinese cities.

Rental bicycles wait for repair and relocation in BeijingRental bicycles wait for repair and relocation in Beijing

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I'm trying to see what the downside, environmentally, is of a bicycle repair, and relocation center....

 I guess that land could be used to grow lettuce, or soy, but where would the bicycles get repaired then?

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I'm trying to see what the downside, environmentally, is of a bicycle repair, and relocation center....

 I guess that land could be used to grow lettuce, or soy, but where would the bicycles get repaired then?

They don't need repairing, they need repainting. Apparently the Chinese don't like blue bikes. Paint them yellow and red and they will sell like hotcakes.

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We sure do.

What's with this "we" shit? You're a foreigner or a resident alien - or so you have frequently claimed.

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You better thank us. And don't forget it.

I don't owe you a damn thing.. 

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I don't know a damn thing.. 

FIFY,  Now sue me.  and whassup with no ignore list anymore? Your shrink giving you better meds?  The Russkies better vodka? (hint - my Russian friends prefer Absolute)

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FIFY,  Now sue me.  and whassup with no ignore list anymore? Your shrink giving you better meds?  The Russkies better vodka? (hint - my Russian friends prefer Absolute)

Absolute? Is that the 99.9% pure?

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I don't owe you a damn thing.. 

You come to my home, insult half the people living here and ride our coat tails and act like you own the place. 

We let you in. Show some respect, bitch..

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You better thank us. And don't forget it.

Suckerrrrs. :D

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Bike Share graveyard after promoters go bankrupt  https://qz.com/1235417/bluegogo-and-didi-what-happens-when-your-bike-share-company-goes-out-of-business-in-china/

Bike sharing in China has been a roller coaster of boom and bust. While several services have caught on with consumers, the bubble has been marked with outpaced growth and rampant mismanagement. Tangled piles of unused bikes with no where to go have been a familiar site on streets of major Chinese cities.

Rental bicycles wait for repair and relocation in BeijingRental bicycles wait for repair and relocation in Beijing

good intentions, innit. bikes are ALWAYS a sensible solution, something you'd seem to frown on. trolling punkbitch.. 

 

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good intentions, innit. bikes are ALWAYS a sensible solution, something you'd seem to frown on. trolling punkbitch.. 

 

 

Sensible, just not popular. Most just become landfill. The point for slow minds like you is that Feel Good does not always Work Good

All laws should be "Work Good" laws. 

What Doomed Seattle's Pronto Bike Share Program? - CityLab

Bike Sharing Is Doomed to Fail in Most American Cities - Motherboard

Bike-share debacle isn't unique to Baltimore. Thefts, other woes had ...

and then there is this complication where liberals can't even get out of their own way.

Missing the forest for the bicycle helmets (Seattle)

This week, the authors of a disputed study promoting bicycle helmet laws with bike share systems penned an op-ed for Crosscut arguing that Seattle’s bike share companies should be forced to provide helmets with their bikes.

Aside from the ick factor of sharing helmets with strangers, the hyper-focus on helmets is dangerous because such a requirement would certainly harm and possible kill bike share business in Seattle. The helmet costs (purchasing, collecting, inspecting, cleaning, and redistributing them) were already a factor in the financial demise of Pronto. We cannot repeat that mistake.

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Bike Share programs are "laws"?

No, Hillary Jack.  You fail.  Again.

Bike Share programs are just that - programs.  Like business ventures.  Some succeed.  Some fail.

Here are some notable failures.

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Bike Share programs are "laws"?

No, Hillary Jack.  You fail.  Again.

Bike Share programs are just that - programs.  Like business ventures.  Some succeed.  Some fail.

Here are some notable failures.

Good Lord you are such an moron. Bike share programs are created by law which regulates and provides the city property they occupy. In many or even most cases the city had the idea and then took proposals or bids from enterprises. Companies don't just decide on their own to appropriate a number of parking spaces and install bike racks. 

 

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Bikes are the most energy efficiency single person mode of transportation.  That's the good part.

The bad part is that people move in patterns that vary with time.  Not all locations are equally desirable at any given moment.  The 'competition' model to solve this problem is to tie a financial impact that includes the equivalent of 'time of use' pricing - or in this case 'time of destination'.    However, that inherently creates bias toward wealth - richer people would get the bikes when they wanted them and poorer people couldn't.  So then everything becomes deeply subsidized ('free') and into the bowl we go.

Probably the greatest economic disaster of the 'digital' age is the idea overlaying concept that resources can be 'spawned' and 'destroyed' without consequence.  I can create a million copies of an application in the blink of an eye and destroy them equally fast without real consequence, anywhere, anytime.  That's just not how things actually work. 

 

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Bike Share programs are "laws"?

No, Hillary Jack.  You fail.  Again.

Bike Share programs are just that - programs.  Like business ventures.  Some succeed.  Some fail.

Here are some notable failures.

You missed the part where they were calling for a law to force ride share companies to provide helmets.

his week, the authors of a disputed study promoting bicycle helmet laws with bike share systems penned an op-ed for Crosscut arguing that Seattle’s bike share companies should be forced to provide helmets with their bikes.

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Bikes are the most energy efficiency single person mode of transportation.  That's the good part.

The bad part is that people move in patterns that vary with time.  Not all locations are equally desirable at any given moment.  The 'competition' model to solve this problem is to tie a financial impact that includes the equivalent of 'time of use' pricing - or in this case 'time of destination'.    However, that inherently creates bias toward wealth - richer people would get the bikes when they wanted them and poorer people couldn't.  So then everything becomes deeply subsidized ('free') and into the bowl we go.

Probably the greatest economic disaster of the 'digital' age is the idea overlaying concept that resources can be 'spawned' and 'destroyed' without consequence.  I can create a million copies of an application in the blink of an eye and destroy them equally fast without real consequence, anywhere, anytime.  That's just not how things actually work. 

 

No issue with bikes only that Cities that like to think of themselves as "progressive" often introduce ill conceived and even counterproductive programs that sound good to voters.

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Don't most of bike shares rely on Tax$ to operate ?

 

You mean like city busses, trolleys, trains, subways and monorails?

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You mean like city busses, trolleys, trains, subways and monorails?

Apparently that is not possible. Bus Driver insisted that bike shares are not created by laws or governments.

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Good Lord you are such an moron. Bike share programs are created by law which regulates and provides the city property they occupy. In many or even most cases the city had the idea and then took proposals or bids from enterprises. Companies don't just decide on their own to appropriate a number of parking spaces and install bike racks. 

 

Yes, there are laws that regulate enterprises like bike share programs.  Just like many other enterprises.

You'd like us to think these programs are mandated.  The governments are responding to demand from citizens.

You just want to hurl insults at "liberals".

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You missed the part where they were calling for a law to force ride share companies to provide helmets.

his week, the authors of a disputed study promoting bicycle helmet laws with bike share systems penned an op-ed for Crosscut arguing that Seattle’s bike share companies should be forced to provide helmets with their bikes.

Is there a current law in Seattle requiring bike riders to wear a helmet?  

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No issue with bikes only that Cities that like to think of themselves as "progressive" often introduce ill conceived and even counterproductive programs that sound good to voters.

And regressive cities penalize all forms of transit evenly.    Few busses permanently caught in traffic jams.   10 inch bike lanes in the gutter with the broken glass, but no bike racks.    Transecting highways without pedestrian crossings.   Gridlocked roads full of SUV and pick ups the default.  

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Is there a current law in Seattle requiring bike riders to wear a helmet?  

Yes.     

The issue seems to be that the folks who want to ride the rideshare bikes want the rideshare folks to provide helmets as part of the service. 

A helmet is for personal protection and is a personal item where personal hygiene becomes an issue when sharing.  Would you want to share a helmet with someone with head lice?  Would you want to be a company who let people share them?

Wear a helmet! It's the law!

In July 2003, the King County Board of Health extended the King County bike helmet regulation (PDF) to include Seattle. The new rule went into effect in August 2003 and requires that all bicyclists (regardless of age) must wear a helmet.

Bicyclists throughout the county can be cited for not wearing helmets. Avoid fines, fees, and injuries by wearing a bike helmet!

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Yes.     

The issue seems to be that the folks who want to ride the rideshare bikes want the rideshare folks to provide helmets as part of the service. 

A helmet is for personal protection and is a personal item where personal hygiene becomes an issue when sharing.  Would you want to share a helmet with someone with head lice?  Would you want to be a company who let people share them?

Wear a helmet! It's the law!

In July 2003, the King County Board of Health extended the King County bike helmet regulation (PDF) to include Seattle. The new rule went into effect in August 2003 and requires that all bicyclists (regardless of age) must wear a helmet.

Bicyclists throughout the county can be cited for not wearing helmets. Avoid fines, fees, and injuries by wearing a bike helmet!

So, the law is not specific to bike share programs.  In order to ride a bike, you need to wear a helmet.  So, this harms the bike share program.  Sounds like one of those laws Hillary Jack thinks is not a "Work Good" law.  

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Happy Hilary

Are you suggesting to get rid of all bikes!?? In favour of more cars, perhaps large ones that get 5 MPG, while you are at it bring back leaded gas. You don't want to be seen as progressive. That would be un-American, socialist even or worse communist.  

You are celebrating the failure of something that is meant to improve the quality of life. You are a deranged dope. 

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Old news. China has a massive urban air pollution problem that is was one driver of bike share programs. Another driver is eliminating the storage problems individual ownership has at home and at work. Sadly the bike share solution was and is not a solution in the non-racked, free floating model. Bike share with racks and kiosks don't make the big mess of bikes sitting around, but they have major volume limitations. Both models require reshuffling bikes by truck too.

Trek bikes runs a very successful bike share program in many US cities. In Denver it's called B-Cycle. For visitors especially it's very popular.

 

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So, the law is not specific to bike share programs.  In order to ride a bike, you need to wear a helmet.  So, this harms the bike share program.  Sounds like one of those laws Hillary Jack thinks is not a "Work Good" law.  

No, the helmet law would not cause harm.  It has been in effect for 15 years.   It's the demand for a law requiring that the rideshare provider also provide helmets that would cause the problems of cost and risk for the provider.

 

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Old news. China has a massive urban air pollution problem that is was one driver of bike share programs. Another driver is eliminating the storage problems individual ownership has at home and at work. Sadly the bike share solution was and is not a solution in the non-racked, free floating model. Bike share with racks and kiosks don't make the big mess of bikes sitting around, but they have major volume limitations. Both models require reshuffling bikes by truck too.

Trek bikes runs a very successful bike share program in many US cities. In Denver it's called B-Cycle. For visitors especially it's very popular.

 

 

We have a free loaner program in Punta Gorda that also includes the helmet but you have to promise not to sue anybody.

 

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You must know Tom then. Do you shoot together? :)

Nope, I know the general area where Tom lives and spend time at a park near there.  I think I may have met him at the Bayfront Center one day when folks were sailing sunfish there.  One of them was trying a rigid wing sail and I commented on it to a guy standing there.  Later he posted a picture of himself in a kayak and I thought it looked like the guy I spoke to. 

I  don't know Fat Point Jack either.

I prefer to do my hunting with a Nikon now.

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Sometimes I find things that remind me of politics

 

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Nope, I know the general area where Tom lives and spend time at a park near there.  I think I may have met him at the Bayfront Center one day when folks were sailing sunfish there.  One of them was trying a rigid wing sail and I commented on it to a guy standing there.  Later he posted a picture of himself in a kayak and I thought it looked like the guy I spoke to. 

I  don't know Fat Point Jack either.

I prefer to do my hunting with a Nikon now.

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That is an incredible photograph.

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Just because it's a white bird.  Shot at my place.

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I prefer to do my hunting with a Nikon now.

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Good man.

Gorgeous photo.

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Good Lord you are such an moron. Bike share programs are created by law which regulates and provides the city property they occupy. In many or even most cases the city had the idea and then took proposals or bids from enterprises. Companies don't just decide on their own to appropriate a number of parking spaces and install bike racks. 

 

Jack, as usual your comments/threads lack focus. You start the thread talking about bike sharing which is as capitalist an activity as there is anywhere in the world and segue into laws about bike helmets in the US. Chinese bike sharing companies have been hugely successful. The success, and money to be made, of the early companies in the business encouraged too many copycats to emerge, many of which have failed. That is how a competitive market works. This is a new business and successful (and unsuccessful) models have emerged and are being improved. Comparing to any similar services in North America is ludicrous - just about everything is different.

 

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Sensible, just not popular. Most just become landfill. The point for slow minds like you is that Feel Good does not always Work Good

All laws should be "Work Good" laws. 

What Doomed Seattle's Pronto Bike Share Program? - CityLab

Bike Sharing Is Doomed to Fail in Most American Cities - Motherboard

Bike-share debacle isn't unique to Baltimore. Thefts, other woes had ...

and then there is this complication where liberals can't even get out of their own way.

Missing the forest for the bicycle helmets (Seattle)

This week, the authors of a disputed study promoting bicycle helmet laws with bike share systems penned an op-ed for Crosscut arguing that Seattle’s bike share companies should be forced to provide helmets with their bikes.

Aside from the ick factor of sharing helmets with strangers, the hyper-focus on helmets is dangerous because such a requirement would certainly harm and possible kill bike share business in Seattle. The helmet costs (purchasing, collecting, inspecting, cleaning, and redistributing them) were already a factor in the financial demise of Pronto. We cannot repeat that mistake.

Jack, you've just violated the cardinal rule of good engineering. You've allowed your politics to overtake your thermodynamics.

Bicycles are an engineering and efficiency miracle. With less than one measly horsepower, above 95% mechanical efficiency, more patents than any other technology in history and reliability that makes the common toaster seem breakable in comparison, the bicycle is easily the most efficient wheeled personal transportation ever invented. The number of bicycles in China makes the collection in that yard look like a spit in the bucket. And unlike the graveyard of planes and autos, those bikes will undoubtedly be used again after rebranding, because the growth of bike share programs shows no sign of stopping. https://www.citylab.com/city-makers-connections/bike-share/

Jack, if you have found yourself in a political position where you have the imperative to bash the bicycle, then perhaps you should reexamine your politics.

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Lice don't live in helmets.

Idiot.

Really?

Not according to some folks.

Head lice are very contagious and typically spread through close contact with an affected individual or their personal items, such as a comb, hairbrush, or clothing. If one child in a family has head lice, better check the hair of all family members.

Hair lice can pass from person to person when people share personal items, such as combs, towels, clothing, hats, and hairbrushes.

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Really?

Not according to some folks.

Head lice are very contagious and typically spread through close contact with an affected individual or their personal items, such as a comb, hairbrush, or clothing. If one child in a family has head lice, better check the hair of all family members.

Hair lice can pass from person to person when people share personal items, such as combs, towels, clothing, hats, and hairbrushes.

And precious bodily fluids.

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Really?

Not according to some folks.

Head lice are very contagious and typically spread through close contact with an affected individual or their personal items, such as a comb, hairbrush, or clothing. If one child in a family has head lice, better check the hair of all family members.

Hair lice can pass from person to person when people share personal items, such as combs, towels, clothing, hats, and hairbrushes.

If said hat, or more accurately helmet, is not at body temperature, it will not harbour  lice.  They have a very narrow range of conditions which suit them.

 

As you're  probably aware,  head lice are different to pubic lice. Different conditions, different  lice. All because of the narrow conditions thingy.

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If said hat, or more accurately helmet, is not at body temperature, it will not harbour  lice.  They have a very narrow range of conditions which suit them.

 

As you're  probably aware,  head lice are different to pubic lice. Different conditions, different  lice. All because of the narrow conditions thingy.

I would definitely not trade merkins or pubic helmets with anyone. Except for immediate family and pets.

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Good Lord you are such an moron. Bike share programs are created by law which regulates and provides the city property they occupy. In many or even most cases the city had the idea and then took proposals or bids from enterprises. Companies don't just decide on their own to appropriate a number of parking spaces and install bike racks. 

 

heh heh..wrong again.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/09/18/what-are-those-random-yellow-bicycles-doing-in-your-neighbourhood_a_23212729/

Our local council is a tad pissed off..they supply free bikes and the yellow ones, like wasps are stealing the council bike racks.

Still, at $2 for half an hour. it's cheaper and faster than public transport, healthier, avoids late night cab charges and you can leave them anywhere you want..

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(there was one parked on top of a bus stop at work..saves cluttering the footpath I suppose.

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Locally the city gov supplies the bike rack...you supply the bike.

at the train station overnight , inside , bike storage is available 

free bikes  are a waste of tax payers money are cause a big mess. 

better to spent that tax payer money on Bike lanes and  commuter bike storage 

 

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All I know is, here in NYC, it's performed glorious alchemy.

Car commuters from the suburbs & exurbs try it, on a summer day, and  -  whether it becomes a regular thing, or not  -  the way they interact with me (on a bike, in my neighbourhood) on their way home, has been transformed. 

Shit's turned into gold. 

 

 

(Took about 2 years.  Then another year for me to make the connection between the sudden abundance of inexperienced riders on citibikes in Manhattan, and more aware driver behavior in the inner boroughs.  I don't have stats to back it up.  But I also can't think of any other explanation for why drivers suddenly started acting like they have a clue, after a decade & a half of knuckleheaded cluelessness.)

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The thread is simple and  straightforward. Municipalities all want to pretend that their cities are Green and Earth Friendly.

So they do some things that are good. More parks for instance. Some have efficient and economical mass transit. Some do a good job recycling. 

But other attempts are often bad ideas that sound good. 

Rural recycling where the cost of collection and sorting in low population density areas is not environmentally friendly or economic. 

Bikes shares that don't get used.  Is another example. 

I have no problem with bikes or recycling but do them in a way that works and isn't just We are Green propaganda for some politician. when they just become landfill that's a problem

 

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Amsterdam Fights Back Against Rogue Bike Shares

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 AUG 3, 2017

Too many rental bikes are clogging up much-needed parking space, city hall says. But what’s the plan?

Even Amsterdam can get sick of bikes, it seems. The Dutch capital may have a reputation as the world’s most bike-friendly city, but this week it launched a campaign to get a major group of two-wheelers off its streets.

So-called “rogue bike shares” are now in the city’s crosshairs, accused of clogging up valuable bike parking space at the expense of local cyclists. The city announced this week that it intends to ban these private rental companies, which park bikes around the city for customers to rent via smartphone apps. Unlike traditional bike-share programs, these ones don’t have dedicated docks for parking and they don’t coordinate with the government to offer service around the city. Even though the rogue bike-share concept has been widely questioned as problematic, most cities might consider it a good thing to have an easy supply of rental bikes on every corner. For Amsterdam, it risks becoming a nightmare.

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The Dutch Prize Their Pedal Power, but a Sea of Bikes Swamps Their Capital

By JOHN TAGLIABUEJUNE 20, 2013

Amsterdam has more bicycles than people, and although it has thousands of bike racks, demand for them still outstrips supply. CreditPavel Prokopchik for The New York Times

AMSTERDAM — About 6:30 weekday mornings, throngs of bicycles, with a smattering of motor scooters and pedestrians, pour off the ferries that carry bikers and other passengers free of charge across the IJ (pronounced “eye”) harbor, clogging the streets and causing traffic jams down behind Amsterdam’s main train station.

“In the afternoon it’s even more,” moaned Erwin Schoof, a metalworker in his 20s who lives in the canal-laced center of town and battles the chaos daily to cross to his job.

Willem van Heijningen, a railway official responsible for bikes around the station, said, “It’s not a war zone, but it’s the next thing to it.”

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On 3/23/2018 at 7:27 AM, Hillary said:

Apparently that is not possible. Bus Driver insisted that bike shares are not created by laws or governments.

They're created by both law and private enterprise. Failures happen, but overall, bike share programs are on an upward spiral, they are used and appreciated.

Your premise of this thread is nonsense. Public funds are used to create roads and bridges, for instance, and sometimes those roads and bridges aren't well used, sometimes they also need extensive refit long before the bond to pay for them can be paid. Someone built a highway bridge near me that didn't sufficiently account for self-load, and the railroad below didn't have enough clearance, the entire span had to be rebuilt. Is that a "downside" of "feel good" internal combustion public policy, Jack?

Public funds are spent where the public wants those funds to be spent. You don't like it when the publc wants to spend funds on things like bicycles and environmentally-friendly projects? Too f'ing bad. Change the law, or vote differently, or move to an autocracy. Ultimately, you lose, and bike share programs are being built all over the USA because Americans like them. We have voted, this is what we want. You may be a naturalized American, but maybe you were snoozing in the "public review and vote" portion of your government classes.

Maybe go find something else in China to bitch about?

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3 hours ago, mikewof said:

They're created by both law and private enterprise. Failures happen, but overall, bike share programs are on an upward spiral, they are used and appreciated.

Your premise of this thread is nonsense. Public funds are used to create roads and bridges, for instance, and sometimes those roads and bridges aren't well used, sometimes they also need extensive refit long before the bond to pay for them can be paid. Someone built a highway bridge near me that didn't sufficiently account for self-load, and the railroad below didn't have enough clearance, the entire span had to be rebuilt. Is that a "downside" of "feel good" internal combustion public policy, Jack?

Public funds are spent where the public wants those funds to be spent. You don't like it when the publc wants to spend funds on things like bicycles and environmentally-friendly projects? Too f'ing bad. Change the law, or vote differently, or move to an autocracy. Ultimately, you lose, and bike share programs are being built all over the USA because Americans like them. We have voted, this is what we want. You may be a naturalized American, but maybe you were snoozing in the "public review and vote" portion of your government classes.

Maybe go find something else in China to bitch about?

Locally they have bike rent companies....not expensive, and the bikes get returned to the proper racks becuase you must leave a deposit ..bikes are not dumped all over town 

no need to waste public money on this free bike  nonsense

better to spend public money on bike infrastructure , car free space and safety 

remember ..this taxpayer funded  bike infrastucture benefits everyone...old ladies walking dogs, moms pushing baby prams, kids messing around on thier new plastic three wheeler....

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4 hours ago, mikewof said:

They're created by both law and private enterprise. Failures happen, but overall, bike share programs are on an upward spiral, they are used and appreciated.

Your premise of this thread is nonsense. Public funds are used to create roads and bridges, for instance, and sometimes those roads and bridges aren't well used, sometimes they also need extensive refit long before the bond to pay for them can be paid. Someone built a highway bridge near me that didn't sufficiently account for self-load, and the railroad below didn't have enough clearance, the entire span had to be rebuilt. Is that a "downside" of "feel good" internal combustion public policy, Jack?

Public funds are spent where the public wants those funds to be spent. You don't like it when the publc wants to spend funds on things like bicycles and environmentally-friendly projects? Too f'ing bad. Change the law, or vote differently, or move to an autocracy. Ultimately, you lose, and bike share programs are being built all over the USA because Americans like them. We have voted, this is what we want. You may be a naturalized American, but maybe you were snoozing in the "public review and vote" portion of your government classes.

Maybe go find something else in China to bitch about?

Ok how about female infanticide? Should we go there next? 

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1 hour ago, slug zitski said:

Locally they have bike rent companies....not expensive, and the bikes get returned to the proper racks becuase you must leave a deposit ..bikes are not dumped all over town 

no need to waste public money on this free bike  nonsense

better to spend public money on bike infrastructure , car free space and safety 

remember ..this taxpayer funded  bike infrastucture benefits everyone...old ladies walking dogs, moms pushing baby prams, kids messing around on thier new plastic three wheeler....

To what locality do you refer? And why do you have such a lice problem?

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28 minutes ago, Hillary said:

Ok how about female infanticide? Should we go there next? 

No, I need a minute to scan back over the thread and watch you flail.

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1 hour ago, Hillary said:

Ok how about female infanticide? Should we go there next? 

Perhaps, if you were genuinely interested in some well-deserved critiques of China. Add in political imprisonment and organ harvesting from drug users while you're at it.

But it seems that in this case, You couldn't care about China, it was just a convenient vehicle to complain about "feel good" environmentalism.

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3 hours ago, slug zitski said:

Locally they have bike rent companies....not expensive, and the bikes get returned to the proper racks becuase you must leave a deposit ..bikes are not dumped all over town 

no need to waste public money on this free bike  nonsense

better to spend public money on bike infrastructure , car free space and safety 

remember ..this taxpayer funded  bike infrastucture benefits everyone...old ladies walking dogs, moms pushing baby prams, kids messing around on thier new plastic three wheeler....

Ultimately, there is a cost imperative behind public funding. In the case of "bike dumping", does it benefit taxpayers and potential taxpayers?

I haven't seen the research in the USA yet. It seems to generate savings and revenue in Northern Europe though.

We have a free bike program in our town, you can check out a bike with your library card, even homeless people can use the service. Our town has a very weak overlay of regional public transit, but the free bikes are popular with tourists and quick commutes downtown. It must be something of a winner, more bikes are added to the program every year, and I believe that the Optimists International chapter is merging their own bike share program into it. This isn't a big town, but anyone who wants a bike, gets a free one from Optimists. It isn't a high end bike, but it works.

It's one thing to apply political idealism to stuff that you don't like, but when something works, it works.

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

Ultimately, there is a cost imperative behind public funding. In the case of "bike dumping", does it benefit taxpayers and potential taxpayers?

I haven't seen the research in the USA yet. It seems to generate savings and revenue in Northern Europe though.

We have a free bike program in our town, you can check out a bike with your library card, even homeless people can use the service. Our town has a very weak overlay of regional public transit, but the free bikes are popular with tourists and quick commutes downtown. It must be something of a winner, more bikes are added to the program every year, and I believe that the Optimists International chapter is merging their own bike share program into it. This isn't a big town, but anyone who wants a bike, gets a free one from Optimists. It isn't a high end bike, but it works.

It's one thing to apply political idealism to stuff that you don't like, but when something works, it works.

The government is broke .

 So many programs are underfunded.  Locally , sewage is still dumped into the sea, the small bridge in the port has been condemed and is closed to all but foot traffic, the municipal garbage dump is an eyesore .......

when you waste money on fun and games , the serious defects are denied funding 

 

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8 hours ago, lasal said:

No, I need a minute to scan back over the thread and watch you flail.

Ah ha Flail Fail

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1 minute ago, Hillary said:

Ah ha Flail Fail

No you didn't fail at flail. You flailed on your fail. Spectacular.

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7 hours ago, mikewof said:

Perhaps, if you were genuinely interested in some well-deserved critiques of China. Add in political imprisonment and organ harvesting from drug users while you're at it.

But it seems that in this case, You couldn't care about China, it was just a convenient vehicle to complain about "feel good" environmentalism.

Tell me how it help the planet, converts doubters and improve our lives to foist ill conceived boondoggles on us.  Don't you see that it hurts legitimate environmental programs to be saddled with glaring public failures. They get tarred by the same brush. 

It is very politician to fabricate  urgent dire needs so that they can spend money and pose for photo ops. 

You should be on my side this time.  Bad environmental programs don't do anyone a favor. 

 

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3 minutes ago, lasal said:

No you didn't fail at flail. You flailed on your fail. Spectacular.

Mine was funny your parroting of me is a yawn. 

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1 hour ago, Hillary said:

Mine was funny your parroting of me is a yawn. 

Pining for the fjords.

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2 hours ago, Hillary said:

Mine was funny your parroting of me is a yawn. 

Your's was truly worthy of an MIT attendee.

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1 hour ago, Ishmael said:

Pining for the fjords.

Great sailing in them fjords.

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7 hours ago, Hillary said:

 

You should be on my side this time.  Bad environmental programs don't do anyone a favor. 

Hillary-Jack works for the Russians, they want climate change and fast.

 

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8 hours ago, Hillary said:

Tell me how it help the planet, converts doubters and improve our lives to foist ill conceived boondoggles on us.  Don't you see that it hurts legitimate environmental programs to be saddled with glaring public failures. They get tarred by the same brush. 

Only by people unable to see multiple issues as, well, multiple issues. Or, lacking in integrity. 

In other words, people like you. 

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15 hours ago, slug zitski said:

The government is broke .

 So many programs are underfunded.  Locally , sewage is still dumped into the sea, the small bridge in the port has been condemed and is closed to all but foot traffic, the municipal garbage dump is an eyesore .......

when you waste money on fun and games , the serious defects are denied funding 

You're blaming things like bike programs for raw sewage dumping and broken infrastructure?

In which half-shit broken-down dunghole town do you live where the tax dollars are apparently so mismanaged that they allow this to happen?

And how are you assigning "fun and games"? What specifically is this town spending tax dollars? It seems that's the problem, they're not managing things, and the real problem is that you need effective policymakers.

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9 hours ago, Hillary said:

Tell me how it help the planet, converts doubters and improve our lives to foist ill conceived boondoggles on us.  Don't you see that it hurts legitimate environmental programs to be saddled with glaring public failures. They get tarred by the same brush. 

It is very politician to fabricate  urgent dire needs so that they can spend money and pose for photo ops. 

You should be on my side this time.  Bad environmental programs don't do anyone a favor. 

Again, follow the thermodynamics fercrissakes, Jack.

A "bad" program is one with an unreasonable entropic cost. People need to be physically moved between two physical points in this case, either to get a loaf of bread and a jug of milk, or get to work, come home from school, erc..

How that move is accomplished each day has an entropic cost.

It world rank, from highest entropy to lowest, something like this ...

Private vehicle fuel-inefficient, private vehicle fuel efficient, motorcycle, carpool/vanpool, electric vehicle, carpool with EV, well-managed public transportation, bicycle/pedestrian.

Moving people efficiently (i.e. with machines that need minimal maintenance, minimal infrastructure and minimal pollution IS effective design engineering! How in the world do you not see that?

Something is broken in you to see a problem as a bunch of people riding 98-percent efficient bicycles, and NOT see a problem with thundering multi-ton machines that operate on 25-percent thermodynamic efficiency and that require expensive infrastructure, essentially moving the exact same asses to and from the exact same locations.

No, I'm not "on your side" with this because I won't allow politics to trump thermodynamics. Fuck that nonsense. Even when I drive my big ass truck, I'm not lying to myself that it's a better choice. It's the choice I make when I fail to manage my day effectively enough to use the low-entropy solution, or when I need to move heavy material, but that's something else.

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4 hours ago, mikewof said:

You're blaming things like bike programs for raw sewage dumping and broken infrastructure?

In which half-shit broken-down dunghole town do you live where the tax dollars are apparently so mismanaged that they allow this to happen?

And how are you assigning "fun and games"? What specifically is this town spending tax dollars? It seems that's the problem, they're not managing things, and the real problem is that you need effective policymakers.

Slug is talking about where he lives in Europe, I think.

Hey, I have a great idea...cut the defense budget by 50% and use that money to lower taxes and improve infrastructure and clean up the environment.

No, didn't think that would go over well with the greed-heads.

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