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9 hours ago, mad said:

So who’s calling who a liar then? 

Everyone is a liar........except BJP, haven't you learned anything in the past couple of decades?

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1 hour ago, BillDBastard said:
10 hours ago, mad said:

So who’s calling who a liar then? 

Everyone is a liar........except BJP, haven't you learned anything in the past couple of decades?

Dare I call THAT what it is?

Speaking of liars - are you really No. 6? I've received comments off line to that effect.

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32 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Dare I call THAT what it is?

Speaking of liars - are you really No. 6? I've received comments off line to that effect.

And you believe what you read on the internet? Explains a great deal I suppose.

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4 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

And you believe what you read on the internet? Explains a great deal I suppose.

Don’t feed the troll. Bill you are a tonsil and your posts sound like this:

 

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22 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

And you believe what you read on the internet? Explains a great deal I suppose.

Nah, I'm just following up on what some friends have suggested.

 

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12 minutes ago, the_abandoned_brane said:

Do peepole with perpetually cold hands have to warm them up before masturbating?  

I don't know. My hands are always warm, it's one of the chief reasons my wife says she married me.

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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You're such a funni cunt sol.

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3 hours ago, dreadom said:

Don’t feed the troll.

 

Correct But pretty much all singing the same songs

TRUMP has better writers for his debaits than the great minds posting in this fart fight

Ummm unless everyone is holding back for the finals 

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19 hours ago, Dunyazad said:

I worked with G in PNG and Indonesia. Nobody was more culturally aware, no one. I think Porter is having selective memory and is re writing history to suit his narrative. Grumps is gagged and Porter can tell the story as he "remembers". I smell a lot of bullshit.

I copied Porter's post and skyped it to G, I want to hear his side of the story. London to a brick Porter is lying.

Most people are usually ok in person, it's when the mask comes off aka anonymous posting it goes to shit. In PA Grumpy turned into a petty vindictive asshole.  my .o2

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:
20 hours ago, Dunyazad said:

I worked with G in PNG and Indonesia. Nobody was more culturally aware, no one. I think Porter is having selective memory and is re writing history to suit his narrative. Grumps is gagged and Porter can tell the story as he "remembers". I smell a lot of bullshit.

I copied Porter's post and skyped it to G, I want to hear his side of the story. London to a brick Porter is lying.

Most people are usually ok in person, it's when the mask comes off aka anonymous posting it goes to shit. In PA Grumpy turned into a petty vindictive asshole.  my .o2

True - No. 6 was quite pleasant to may face when I met him, offered to help me any way I needed to get ready for my trip, gave me a card with his phone number, etc.. We had a very genial conversation. Frankly, I thought we'd smoothed the issues out he had with me...oh well. Then again, kmcabe also kept his shit together and was completely civil to both Sol and me during MSG's memorial service. Friendly, even. I've even got pictures of us laughing and smiling while I have an arm around KM and he pretends he's kissing Sol...all in front of a picture of the Bill of Rights. And look how THAT turned out...  Some people get very different when they think they're anonymous.

I don't think Grum...er "Dunzayad" has much to repeat back to us on this one.

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17 hours ago, J28 said:

He can’t help himself...he sees his name and has to get on.  Just like a marlin hittin’ a flashy lure.

Fish on!

You are wrong. The thread is about Mr. Clean,  but it is the tormented Great Floating Bloviator that hears the sirens call and cannot
keep away, and who struggles for the last word to overcome a well deserved reputation which is not given, but well earned and proved over the
passage of time. 

SA is decaying towards it's end at a natural rate. The boss is unravelling, the cabinet members have fled. There is a guy named Hancock
who is not the  superhero that can save it.  Mr. Hancock, I served with Mr. Clean. Mr. Clean was a friend of mine.  You sir,  are no Mr. Clean

Mr. Clean's genius was the ability to present relative content in an entertaining manner, allowing the reader to participate in the theatre of their
mind as if they were experiencing a  car crash in slow motion, and slowly burning to death. He could execute this while walking a fine  line over
debauchery, amateur journalism, and a yet to be diagnosed mild mental illness.  His final signature production, the interview with Jennifer Appel,  may
be his finest moment and like Ted Williams, he is going out on top.  This is why he will  be missed.  I shall propose that interview and Mr. Clean  to the
honorary doctorate nominating committee of the Edward R. Murrow College of Communication at WSU.  Perhaps there is even time for him to be the
commencement speaker for the summer session commuter graduates.

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1 hour ago, TonyFromSheepsheadBay said:

Mr. Clean's genius was the ability to present relative content in an entertaining manner,...

Damn, I missed it when he did the Aristocats!

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Getting back to the OP.  Seems a sad day when someone trying to make a go of it in the sailing world has to leave it.  Seems like he tried hard enough.  Now SA keeps on reporting the demise and resurection (after scrubbing the debt off) of large yacht builders, Gunboat, Oyster and others, we have the demise of staff reporting on such things.

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15 hours ago, random said:

Getting back to the OP.  Seems a sad day when someone trying to make a go of it in the sailing world has to leave it.  Seems like he tried hard enough.  Now SA keeps on reporting the demise and resurection (after scrubbing the debt off) of large yacht builders, Gunboat, Oyster and others, we have the demise of staff reporting on such things.

Hese stille in salles.                               :)

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23 hours ago, TonyFromSheepsheadBay said:

You are wrong. The thread is about Mr. Clean,  but it is the tormented Great Floating Bloviator that hears the sirens call and cannot
keep away, and who struggles for the last word to overcome a well deserved reputation which is not given, but well earned and proved over the
passage of time. 

SA is decaying towards it's end at a natural rate. The boss is unravelling, the cabinet members have fled. There is a guy named Hancock
who is not the  superhero that can save it.  Mr. Hancock, I served with Mr. Clean. Mr. Clean was a friend of mine.  You sir,  are no Mr. Clean

Mr. Clean's genius was the ability to present relative content in an entertaining manner, allowing the reader to participate in the theatre of their
mind as if they were experiencing a  car crash in slow motion, and slowly burning to death. He could execute this while walking a fine  line over
debauchery, amateur journalism, and a yet to be diagnosed mild mental illness.  His final signature production, the interview with Jennifer Appel,  may
be his finest moment and like Ted Williams, he is going out on top.  This is why he will  be missed.  I shall propose that interview and Mr. Clean  to the
honorary doctorate nominating committee of the Edward R. Murrow College of Communication at WSU.  Perhaps there is even time for him to be the
commencement speaker for the summer session commuter graduates.

Someone should tell him he didn't build that........................

Clean and genius in the same sentence, now there is something you don't see everyday.

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On 4/7/2018 at 9:39 AM, TonyFromSheepsheadBay said:

..... and a yet to be diagnosed mild mental illness.  

NPD?

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On 4/2/2018 at 9:34 AM, MR.CLEAN said:

I'm around.  Just super busy with a new start-up back in the business I used to work when I first moved to Detroit - real estate.  I'm back doing development/permitting/acquisition work.

The SA salary that worked for me before no longer works with a young child depending on me, and grinding out the balance by doing commentary overseas and being on the road 200 days/year wasn't doing wonders for my parenting.

So now I am working long, long hours but I see my little girl every day, and sometimes can take her to work.  I'm still doing The Boatfeed on Youtube and Facebook with Matt, and I'll be working for Charleston Race Week, the Fort2Battery, and the Mack race this year, and probably will be in Newport if the VOR can win back my interest after a litany of fuckups.

My contributions here will be somewhat limited though, but I do still check in to the subjects I'm interested in.

Bein' Dad is important, and ya don't get to go back and make up for lost time.   Have fun with that Clean - daughters are great! 

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Looks like Grumpy is still pissed at being flicked!

That's gooood!

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3 hours ago, Dunyazad said:

Confirmed. You are a bull shit artist. G didn't ask for any pictures to be deleted, he asked for posts by Wofsey that stated he provided underage girls to drunk expats be removed. All of the pics he'd posted were on Photobucket, if he wanted pics removed from here he could just delete them from Photobucket himself, right? I see none of his photobucket hosted pics are here anymore by the way. Did G delete them all or did you? Or did photobucket change their terms of service? 

I'm not surprised you chickened out of taking your boat on the traditional cruising route on to Asia from Australia. You would have had to face G in Darwin.

So, it seems you're not just a bully, you're a liar and a coward to boot.

oh god....nobody cares dude...

 

get a drink and chill out

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7 minutes ago, yikes said:

oh god....nobody cares dude...

 

get a drink and chill out

You seem to care enough to post though   :huh:

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3 hours ago, Dunyazad said:

Confirmed. You are a bull shit artist. G didn't ask for any pictures to be deleted, he asked for posts by Wofsey that stated he provided underage girls to drunk expats be removed. All of the pics he'd posted were on Photobucket, if he wanted pics removed from here he could just delete them from Photobucket himself, right? I see none of his photobucket hosted pics are here anymore by the way. Did G delete them all or did you? Or did photobucket change their terms of service? 

I'm not surprised you chickened out of taking your boat on the traditional cruising route on to Asia from Australia. You would have had to face G in Darwin.

So, it seems you're not just a bully, you're a liar and a coward to boot.

1) You "and" G are full of shit. Read the thread I linked - that little fucker wouldn't even tell me what I was accused of. That's right, he accused me of a bunch of shit, claimed I'd PM'd him, and I looked through the PM records of my personal account and my Underdawg admin account. It never happened, assbag - at least with me. It's possible he talked to another mod. I still, to this day, have no idea what the fuck you are ranting about because I WAS NOT INVOLVED, you flaming dumbass.

2) Did you know I'm not actually done cruising yet, right? I'm still on the boat. We're still going places. Moron.

Here's a newsflash - Grump is a mewling, whiny twat. I'm not afraid of that candyassed little douche. Do you honestly think I'd set my cruising plans - which are highly dependent on things like wind, weather, seasons, etc. out of fear of meeting some sniveling whiner to his face? That I would literally abandon my cruising plans because some cunt in Darwin doesn't like me and likes to wank about me in the internet? I didn't even know he WAS in Darwin you freaking knob.

Newsflash #2 - I WALKED UP and introduced myself to No. 6, I made a point of it. He's as much of an asshole as Grump and has given me 100x the shit your whiny friend has - and much of it long before I introduced myself. Trust me, I'm not afraid of this clown.

Sorry Grumps, it's not my fault you can't act like and adult human on the boards. Trying growing the fuck up and taking responsibility for your own actions and maybe this shit won't happen to you again.

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1 minute ago, Dunyazad said:
4 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

1) You "and" G are full of shit. Read the thread I linked - that little fucker wouldn't even tell me what I was accused of. That's right, he accused me of a bunch of shit, claimed I'd PM'd him, and I looked through the PM records of my personal account and my Underdawg admin account. It never happened, assbag - at least with me. It's possible he talked to another mod. I still, to this day, have no idea what the fuck you are ranting about because I WAS NOT INVOLVED, you flaming dumbass.

2) Did you know I'm not actually done cruising yet, right? I'm still on the boat. We're still going places. Moron.

Here's a newsflash - Grump is a mewling, whiny twat. I'm not afraid of that candyassed little douche. Do you honestly think I'd set my cruising plans - which are highly dependent on things like wind, weather, seasons, etc. out of fear of meeting some sniveling whiner to his face? That I would literally abandon my cruising plans because some cunt in Darwin doesn't like me and likes to wank about me in the internet? I didn't even know he WAS in Darwin you freaking knob.

Newsflash #2 - I WALKED UP and introduced myself to No. 6, I made a point of it. He's as much of an asshole as Grump and has given me 100x the shit your whiny friend has - and much of it long before I introduced myself. Trust me, I'm not afraid of this clown.

Sorry Grumps, it's not my fault you can't act like and adult human on the boards. Trying growing the fuck up and taking responsibility for your own actions and maybe this shit won't happen to you again.

Triggered!

Yeah, lying asswipes do that to me, Grumpy.

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8 minutes ago, Dunyazad said:

Why do you have a pedo rule? Why did YOU have a pinned thread about stopping it?

Grumpy's pics or Wofsey's posts?

Again - I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Are you referring to your pictures of the girls in your bar? (can we please drop the "Friend of Malarkey" bullshit - we know who you are) Or did Wofsey refererence them inappropriately?

I wouldn't know, because I didn't handle it.

You claim you PM'd me, but there was no record of any PM conversation anywhere. We've never e-mailed (though I know your e-mail address and you can figure out how to reach me in about five seconds if you had a brain). I looked; in fact I put more time into trying to find it than the likes of you deserved because you seemed so sure of it nd I wanted to be certain I did not do this thing.

I did not.

Since:

1) I have no recollection of the incident in question and
2) There are ZERO PMs correlating the incident that I can even use to refresh my memory

The only logical conclusion is that it did not happen the way you claim it happened.

And frankly, the behavior you describe is not how I typically handled things.

 

So produce the PMs, or shit the fuck up you whiny bitch.

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P.S. When I say I literally never delete a PM, I mean it. As a moderator, I had an unlimited mail box. Because of lying doucheholes like you that keep trying to gaslight everyone and change history, when we removed moderation privileges from this account we left it so I could still keep all the e-mails. For records, you know. Just in case we had problems with a returning troll.

So yes, I have PM's in my Inbox from 2005. And the Underdawg account still has every single PM conversation I had as a moderator too, though I don't have the password to it any more, those records exist.

And the conversation you are referring to about Wofsey and your posts is not among those thousands of PM records.

 

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1 hour ago, yikes said:

oh god....nobody cares dude...

 

get a drink and chill out

Seems that some do :rolleyes:

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7 minutes ago, Dunyazad said:

Nothing about the pedo rule? No recollection of the wofsey posts? Grumpy told me Dreadom would remember and he seems to dislike him a bit.

I know why the Pedo rule is there, I helped formulate it and wrote the memos posted under Underdawg (Scot signed off on the texts). I have no recollection of Wofsey's posts on it. I don't even know what YEAR we're talking about here.

Again, I'm hoping you'll refresh my memory on this one, with a link or a PM or some reference to what I am said to have done.

But you don't seem to be able to. Weird.

Because I have a number of PM discussions with you over the years and you've never once removed yourself from them either. So at the time you should have been able to produce the PMs. Yet you refused to.

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Anyway, it's half an hour later for me here in Sydney than it is for you up in Darwin, and I was up before dawn this AM to meet my daughter's 7:00am flight back from visiting schools in the states. So I'm going to bed.

You keep chewing your spleen on this if you want to. You know how to reach me if you have a bone to pick, I don't particularly care to keep playing guessing games with you in public if you can't be bothered provide a link to what the hell the problem or incident was. I'm not fucking Karnack the magnificent, I'm not going to guess.

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Somebody - Anybody Move this PA BS over to PA

OR How-about a PM Anarchy

for LOVE/HATE in Private

this is not good for the children to watch

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13 hours ago, mad said:

You seem to care enough to post though   :huh:

Ahhh you lucky boy, it must be so comforting to have your old pal back so you can get back to tag team trolling. 

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12 hours ago, Dunyazad said:

Nothing about the pedo rule? No recollection of the wofsey posts? Grumpy told me Dreadom would remember and he seems to dislike him a bit.

I didn't claim anything. That's your drunk fat ass making claims

Fuck off Grumpy! Go back and crawl under your rock. You can’t deny that you posted pics of scantily clad bar(ely legal) girls in here. Wolfe’s called you out on it. I even got a months flick because I also mentioned your appalling actions. 

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5 hours ago, dreadom said:

Fuck off Grumpy! Go back and crawl under your rock. You can’t deny that you posted pics of scantily clad bar(ely legal) girls in here. Wolfe’s called you out on it. I even got a months flick because I also mentioned your appalling actions. 

Did I do that? I don't remember doing that, either.

When was this?

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3 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Did I do that? I don't remember doing that, either.

When was this?

Zapper did it july 2016, I probably deserved a time out as I also made a disparaging remark about Jeffy’s wife. 

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4 minutes ago, dreadom said:
11 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Did I do that? I don't remember doing that, either.

When was this?

Zapper did it july 2016, I probably deserved a time out as I also made a disparaging remark about Jeffy’s wife. 

So this is the same incident that Grumpybitch is whiningabout? Same time, roughly?

July 2016 I was in New Caledonia, dealing with fuck-awful slow internet via shore based Wifi. Internet access there was shitty, but expensive. It would explain why I missed most of the incident I am blamed for fucking up by Grumpy, I didn't to a lot of surfing and posting from there.

I thought it might have been in 2015 when I was in Fiji, when I took a self-imposed exile from SA for almost six months without telling anyone. I get blamed for shit that happened then, too - and no one much noticed I was gone. Just like No. 6 blamed be for nuking one of his socks while I was off the grid for almost a week in Maine in 2012...they blame who they want to, without regard for the truth of what actually happened or was even possible.

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Anybody else noticed an increase in this shit?  New sock, no posts just downvotes.

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3 hours ago, random said:

Anybody else noticed an increase in this shit?  New sock, no posts just downvotes.

That's a fuckin laugh Randumb you just pulled a sock out of your drawer a couple of hours ago if not while writing that post bleating about socks and downvotes to call yourself Brian Hancock and you have been down voting me to buggery as my posts are anti Hancock. 

What do the Mods think about that bit of identity theft? Some places in the world doing that shit you end up in a hole in the ground with no marker. 

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18 minutes ago, BillDBastard said:

I don't get the voting shite. Seems very sophomoric, even for this place.... which all but defines sophomoric.

How very droll Bill.  I really wanted to give you a downvote for that but I don't want to be sophomoric and I don't downvote here, only up.  Please forgive me.

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2 minutes ago, Ed Lada said:

How very droll Bill.  I really wanted to give you a downvote for that but I don't want to be sophomoric and I don't downvote here, only up.  Please forgive me.

Juste do it!                  :)

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8 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

Juste do it!                  :)

Thanks Snags, I feel empowered now!   

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45 minutes ago, Snaggletooth said:

Juste do it!                  :)

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1 hour ago, Ed Lada said:

How very droll Bill.  I really wanted to give you a downvote for that but I don't want to be sophomoric and I don't downvote here, only up.  Please forgive me.

Sorry man. I'll try to be more groovy in the future.

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7 hours ago, BillDBastard said:
9 hours ago, Ed Lada said:

How very droll Bill.  I really wanted to give you a downvote for that but I don't want to be sophomoric and I don't downvote here, only up.  Please forgive me.

Sorry man. I'll try to be more groovy in the future.

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10 hours ago, Ed Lada said:
10 hours ago, BillDBastard said:

I don't get the voting shite. Seems very sophomoric, even for this place.... which all but defines sophomoric.

How very droll Bill.  I really wanted to give you a downvote for that but I don't want to be sophomoric and I don't downvote here, only up.  Please forgive me.

Hey, I've never understood people making sock puppets to attack people they don't like, or coming back repeatedly to a forum they've been banned from with new IDs to attack people either.

I'm not sure if it defines sophomoric so much as tiptoes the line between that and sociopathic.

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22 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Hey, I've never understood people making sock puppets to attack people they don't like, or coming back repeatedly to a forum they've been banned from with new IDs to attack people either.

I'm not sure if it defines sophomoric so much as tiptoes the line between that and sociopathic.

It is at the very least..................odd.............

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15 hours ago, random said:

Anybody else noticed an increase in this shit?  New sock, no posts just downvotes.

Could be woody.  He uses his trump cats ass or what ever it's called to down vote me.

just because I was voting to keep him at 666 because he was dumb enough to vote himself to around there with another sock of his.

Any way, doesn't matter.  I've had to stop after he had a big cry to management.

And I'll get another 30 - 40 down votes for posting this,  if he doesn't have another cry to management.

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1 hour ago, floating dutchman said:

Could be woody.  He uses his trump cats ass or what ever it's called to down vote me.

just because I was voting to keep him at 666 because he was dumb enough to vote himself to around there with another sock of his.

Any way, doesn't matter.  I've had to stop after he had a big cry to management.

And I'll get another 30 - 40 down votes for posting this,  if he doesn't have another cry to management.

So how do we get rid of this case of downvote puppets? It's getting stupid on some of the forums, obviously some people have lots of time on their smegma-smeared hands.

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16 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

So how do we get rid of this case of downvote puppets? It's getting stupid .....

Adgreede, gette rid of the votteng, its stupid.                :)

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upvote or downvote?

 

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WTF is that beast??

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5 hours ago, Ishmael said:

So how do we get rid of this case of downvote puppets? It's getting stupid on some of the forums, obviously some people have lots of time on their smegma-smeared hands.

The easiest ways would to be to limit votesto about 5 a day and not allow voting until you reach a certain rep level. 

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46 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:
6 hours ago, Ishmael said:

So how do we get rid of this case of downvote puppets? It's getting stupid on some of the forums, obviously some people have lots of time on their smegma-smeared hands.

The easiest ways would to be to limit votesto about 5 a day and not allow voting until you reach a certain rep level. 

Or just ignore the votes altogether.

they, as they are implemented on this site are about as good as shit on a windscreen.

I just remember who I like and who I don't like, just like people in the real world,  sometimes I even change my mind about who I like or don't like.  But not often.

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1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

The easiest ways would to be to limit votesto about 5 a day and not allow voting until you reach a certain rep level. 

Do you think the voting system adds value to the site? 

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4 minutes ago, random said:

Do you think the voting system adds value to the site? 

By value do you mean more shit fights?

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1 minute ago, floating dutchman said:

By value do you mean more shit fights?

Just interested in what BJ thinks about it.  He has probably said so but I missed it. 

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40 minutes ago, random said:
1 hour ago, B.J. Porter said:

The easiest ways would to be to limit votesto about 5 a day and not allow voting until you reach a certain rep level. 

Do you think the voting system adds value to the site? 

It could, if it was done right.

As it is implemented now - with the poo flingers and voting socks - it's fairly meaningless.

I've outlined how I'd like to see it used before. Keep ALL new members to a probationary status until they've received a few positive upvotes, then upgrade them to full access. This would cut down drastically on both spammers and shitposting attack socks.

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16 hours ago, hobot said:

WTF is that beast??

Mammosaurus Rex?

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1 hour ago, Ed Lada said:
17 hours ago, hobot said:

WTF is that beast??

Mammosaurus Reginna?

Fixxte                          :)

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Somebody has been doing some dusting and cleaning, it seems. At least two of the downvote socks have been shut down. I hope.

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How can you tell?

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18 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

It could, if it was done right.

As it is implemented now - with the poo flingers and voting socks - it's fairly meaningless.

I've outlined how I'd like to see it used before. Keep ALL new members to a probationary status until they've received a few positive upvotes, then upgrade them to full access. This would cut down drastically on both spammers and shitposting attack socks.

Seems like you're in favor of an awfully heavy-handed moderation of this place.   Seems a bit out of line with the word "anarchy" and the original identity of this place.  

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6 minutes ago, MikeR80 said:

Seems like you're in favor of an awfully heavy-handed moderation of this place.   Seems a bit out of line with the word "anarchy" and the original identity of this place.  

You joined three+ years after us and you're reminding us of the tradition? Thank you for your contribution. The technology was a little different and there were far fewer shitposters then. Welcome to the internet as of 2018. Be glad you're not drowning in torrents of Russian wives and penis enlargement ads.

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6 minutes ago, MikeR80 said:
19 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

It could, if it was done right.

As it is implemented now - with the poo flingers and voting socks - it's fairly meaningless.

I've outlined how I'd like to see it used before. Keep ALL new members to a probationary status until they've received a few positive upvotes, then upgrade them to full access. This would cut down drastically on both spammers and shitposting attack socks.

Seems like you're in favor of an awfully heavy-handed moderation of this place.   Seems a bit out of line with the word "anarchy" and the original identity of this place. 

If you listen to my detractors, I was the Fucking Forum Nazi here for almost fifteen years moderating and keeping things running. If you've thought SA was heavy-handed in moderation over the years I was doing it, I can't help you on that. Most of the people that think that were people that couldn't stop acting like sociopathic dickheads and got banned a few times BTW.

The reality is less glamorous. And has been really, really light handed. We've tolerated bullshit for years from posters that would have gotten them permaflicked from other sites within hours. I've spent painstaking hours tracking down trolls and spammers to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what they were and giving them enough rope to hang themselves five or six times before flicking them for good.

SA has never had full time or paid moderators. So as many steps as you can take to cut down on the bullshit, the better. If there are some ways to make the community self policing and/or automate some of the management to cut down on the bullshit that would be an improvement.

My suggestion, which I've outlined elsewhere, is that new users come in with the ability to post replies and add comments. But they can't automatically make threads and do up/downvotes. The board supports an auto-promotion to new security groups based on a few triggers - either number or posts, or total community rating. So you set the boards up to auto-promote someone on say, their tenth or twentieth post, or based on receiving a certain small number of upvotes - say five. Set the bars low, it doesn't take much.

What that does is several things:

  • Pretty much puts an end to new account Spam threads. You need five upvotes to create a thread, you aren't going to get them from spamming threads with your Beats by Dre ads.
  • Pretty much ends the Upvote Spammer sock accounts. If you can't vote until you've gotten some approval from the community, well you can't play games.
  • Pretty much ends anonymous sock attack threads. Yeah, we get those.
  • Self-identifies the sock masters as they upvote their own socks to promote them

This actually takes these things OUT of the hands of moderators and put them into the hands of the community to self police. If someone is acting like a shitty troll, no one is going to give them enough upvotes to get them more privileges. Ditto for spammers.

Solves a lot of problems without having to hit the Report button and get a moderator involved. To me, some degree of self policing is a far better way to run a community like this. But to do that the software framework has to be set up more carefully and with more nuance than we've done it to date.

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9 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

You joined three+ years after us and you're reminding us of the tradition? Thank you for your contribution. The technology was a little different and there were far fewer shitposters then. Welcome to the internet as of 2018. Be glad you're not drowning in torrents of Russian wives and penis enlargement ads.

It also seems like he's unaware I was the doing the lion's share of the moderation here until June 2017. Natural mistake, since we didn't really advertise it. So if you weren't paying attention...

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3 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

If you listen to my detractors, I was the Fucking Forum Nazi here for almost fifteen years moderating and keeping things running. If you've thought SA was heavy-handed in moderation over the years I was doing it, I can't help you on that. Most of the people that think that were people that couldn't stop acting like sociopathic dickheads and got banned a few times BTW.

The reality is less glamorous. And has been really, really light handed. We've tolerated bullshit for years from posters that would have gotten them permaflicked from other sites within hours. I've spent painstaking hours tracking down trolls and spammers to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what they were and giving them enough rope to hang themselves five or six times before flicking them for good.

SA has never had full time or paid moderators. So as many steps as you can take to cut down on the bullshit, the better. If there are some ways to make the community self policing and/or automate some of the management to cut down on the bullshit that would be an improvement.

My suggestion, which I've outlined elsewhere, is that new users come in with the ability to post replies and add comments. But they can't automatically make threads and do up/downvotes. The board supports an auto-promotion to new security groups based on a few triggers - either number or posts, or total community rating. So you set the boards up to auto-promote someone on say, their tenth or twentieth post, or based on receiving a certain small number of upvotes - say five. Set the bars low, it doesn't take much.

What that does is several things:

  • Pretty much puts an end to new account Spam threads. You need five upvotes to create a thread, you aren't going to get them from spamming threads with your Beats by Dre ads.
  • Pretty much ends the Upvote Spammer sock accounts. If you can't vote until you've gotten some approval from the community, well you can't play games.
  • Pretty much ends anonymous sock attack threads. Yeah, we get those.
  • Self-identifies the sock masters as they upvote their own socks to promote them

This actually takes these things OUT of the hands of moderators and put them into the hands of the community to self police. If someone is acting like a shitty troll, no one is going to give them enough upvotes to get them more privileges. Ditto for spammers.

Solves a lot of problems without having to hit the Report button and get a moderator involved. To me, some degree of self policing is a far better way to run a community like this. But to do that the software framework has to be set up more carefully and with more nuance than we've done it to date.

The boat design forum has a variant on this. IIRC you start off with a small positive rep score and can start threads, reply etc. As your rep score increases, your up/down votes on other peoples' posts carry more weight. You can't continually upvote another member, you have to spread the love around some, which takes care of the upvoting socks. Not sure about downvoting, probably the same, maybe not.

If you get downvoted to some negative score, you lost the ability to start new threads. Keep going negative and basically you get voted off of the island.

It happened to the unlamented Bent Swine. Nobody missed him.

FKT

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2 hours ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

The boat design forum has a variant on this. IIRC you start off with a small positive rep score and can start threads, reply etc. As your rep score increases, your up/down votes on other peoples' posts carry more weight. You can't continually upvote another member, you have to spread the love around some, which takes care of the upvoting socks. Not sure about downvoting, probably the same, maybe not.

If you get downvoted to some negative score, you lost the ability to start new threads. Keep going negative and basically you get voted off of the island.

It happened to the unlamented Bent Swine. Nobody missed him.

FKT

While mob rule can be capricious, it often tends to the grenade chuckers and idiots.

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On 13/04/2018 at 8:41 PM, B.J. Porter said:

While mob rule can be capricious, it often tends to the grenade chuckers and idiots.

Lord of the Flies.

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11 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Clean is back.

Turnes oute he nevere realley left.                      :)

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On 4/13/2018 at 5:41 AM, B.J. Porter said:

While mob rule can be capricious, it often tends to the grenade chuckers and idiots.

Lol BJ. I’ll bet when you drive a car, anyone going faster than you are is an idiot, and anyone going more slowly is a moron, huh?

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5 hours ago, chum said:

Lol BJ. I’ll bet when you drive a car, anyone going faster than you are is an idiot, and anyone going more slowly is a moron, huh?

I'm not unique in that regard, it works that way pretty much for anyone when driving.

But specifically when I refer to grenade chuckers and idiots here on SA, you have absolutely no idea of the bullshit I dealt with from some users over a decade and a half moderating here.

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Speak for yourself. I donr regularly think of other drvers around me as idiots and morons at all. They're just people going about their lives and in some cases doing it differently than I do. It doesn't make them wrong, just different. It's interesting to me that you think everyone feels that way.

 

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52 minutes ago, chum said:

Speak for yourself. I donr regularly think of other drvers around me as idiots and morons at all. They're just people going about their lives and in some cases doing it differently than I do. It doesn't make them wrong, just different. It's interesting to me that you think everyone feels that way.

 

So is the other bloke wrong or just different?

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6 minutes ago, nimbus said:

So is the other bloke wrong or just different?

BJ? He’s just wrong.

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3 minutes ago, chum said:

BJ? He’s just wrong.

And here come several more several more lengthy posts about how tough it is to be him. 

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2 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

I'm not unique in that regard, it works that way pretty much for anyone when driving.

But specifically when I refer to grenade chuckers and idiots here on SA, you have absolutely no idea of the bullshit I dealt with from some users over a decade and a half moderating here.

Nobody held a gun to your head to police this place did they BJ? Something tells me you reveled in it. I don’t hang around anywhere else regularly, I feel like I’ve reached my comfort level here and I have no desire to sink much lower. I have to wonder how bad it would have been if you had fought the good fight like you did for so long. It could have been...Anarchy.

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18 minutes ago, Dunyazad said:

And you call Mad & Grumps bullies? How did my “appalling” actions get you flicked? Dude. 

Why can I smell shninny!  Just a whiff of powdered shninny!  Is that you grumpy?

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