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HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Magic Stu aka King Stu aka our very own Stu Bannatyne What better way to celebrate your birthday than to be back on board Dongfeng for today's In-Port Race in #Itajai. #VolvoOceanRace #happybirthday

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Video: Looking Back on the Southern Ocean

With the start of Leg 8 of the Volvo Ocean Race to Newport, Rhode Island, just around the corner, AkzoNobel watch captain Nicolai Sehested reflects on the state of his crew following a brutal Leg 7 through the Southern Ocean.

https://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/nicolai-sehested-watch-captain-team-akzonobel-video

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4 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Video: Looking Back on the Southern Ocean

With the start of Leg 8 of the Volvo Ocean Race to Newport, Rhode Island, just around the corner, AkzoNobel watch captain Nicolai Sehested reflects on the state of his crew following a brutal Leg 7 through the Southern Ocean.

https://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/nicolai-sehested-watch-captain-team-akzonobel-video

"we're going to see some teams blow up . . . " he says. 

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Just now, stief said:

"we're going to see some teams blow up . . . " he says. 

How did you interpret that?  Some teams crack?

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Just now, southerncross said:

How did you interpret that?  Some teams crack?

Yeah. He talked about how AKZO had problems at the beginning, and now they've sorted things out, so the implication that it is karma time for other teams.

Not a particularly 'deep' thought, rather just a somewhat understandable off-hand comment in context

I found the comment about "consistency will be the key from here on in " to be interesting. Ian Walker pod racing strategy, maybe. 

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49 minutes ago, southerncross said:

It's over.  I deleted it.  Looks like they are down at the docks no.

No teams at the dock for another 20-30 minutes at least. Rumours of potential postponement, but breeze is 8 ish kts at the moment. 

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No link yet, but AKZO dock interview in the meantime. Nicho:  'stay out of trouble to get top three position.

 

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Witt said they cut the sails away and tried to motor back to find Fish.  A confluence of events.

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19 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

^^^^ This one is just Witty.

It's from the Skally YT channel, what did you expect? 

 

Edit: In-port @ 13:45 local (in approx. 15 mins), no link yet

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As Sally says, good comeback DFRT. And TTOP will be pleased: their crew work, well, worked.

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Can't believe that MAPFRE, the company, runs a square -rigged container ship! :P

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Bice's mainsail details. AKZo and MAPF to use their new sails for Leg 8

 

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Interesting, Witty was given an opportunity to comment on making any changes re safety and he said no.

6 minutes ago, stief said:

Can't believe that MAPFRE, the company, runs a square -rigged container ship! :P

That was one ugly  boat.

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3 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

Interesting, Witty was given an opportunity to comment on making any changes re safety and he said no.

That was one ugly  boat.

Witty isn't one to throw other ppl under the bus. 

Notice none of the official sources reveal who was the driver at the helm. It is being kept out of the press for a reason. 

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Fuck me. I couldn't imagine losing my best mate in this way.  The only saving grace was that he was doing what he loved - as cliche as that sounds.

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30 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Witty isn't one to throw other ppl under the bus. 

I was not thinking of him mentioning anyone personally; however he had mentioned the lack of a second antenna in the NYT article and there was also mention about a safety discussion generally for today I thought at the press conference.

Notice none of the official sources reveal who was the driver at the helm. It is being kept out of the press for a reason. 

I think that would be for obvious reasons: imagine the guilt, justified or not, that the helmsman must feel for not having pressed the MOB button down for the required for seconds, regardless of the sea conditions, etc. And there is no real reason for naming that person. There is no upside. 

 

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24 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Fuck me. I couldn't imagine losing my best mate in this way.  The only saving grace was that he was doing what he loved - as cliche as that sounds.

Me neither. And I imagine every skipper on that stage at the presser, and everyone watching the conference in person, on line, was thinking the same thing. I was teared up myself. My heart just breaks for Witty. 

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5 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

New list: Interviews prior leg 8 in several languages.
Will be updated as new videos become available.

Thanks for those playlists, Renny. Confidence in their competitiveness  really comes through in the TTOP interviews (even with the trans turned on) .

Didn't know about Carolijn Brouwer's Portuguese connection.

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17 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Witty made it very clear that Fish died before he hit the water.  

Yes, he said that, which was new information as previously the reports had said that the crew was sure Fish was "unconscious" when he went overboard/hit the water. I don't know how they know he was dead.

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1 minute ago, despacio avenue said:

Yes, he said that, which was new information as previously the reports had said that the crew was sure Fish was "unconscious" when he went overboard/hit the water. I don't know how they know he was dead.


It is a coping mechanism. Don't question it.

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1 minute ago, despacio avenue said:

Yes, he said that, which was new information as previously the reports had said that the crew was sure Fish was "unconscious" when he went overboard/hit the water. I don't know how they know he was dead.

I can only imagine the force of the boom with 40 knots on it.

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2 hours ago, stief said:

Snoop the dog predicted a podium of VS11, AKZO,, and MAPF. That was before dope day 4/20. :D

So, our Shore Tech Team Manager saw a dog being abandoned. We checked if it really had just been dumped, adopted it, cleaned it up, de-ticked and de-flead him, and he has become the team mascot, named him Snoop...so we changed our team song to Snoop Dogg... the boys on the shore team take turns to look after him.

We have also found a nice home for him when we leave, but for the moment he is our good luck charm.

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17 minutes ago, southerncross said:

I can only imagine the force of the boom with 40 knots on it.

Yes. I thought of that after I posted my comment.  Enough said. 

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2 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

I feel for @Elisa. Brunel is a mess...

I’ve not seen it yet.... maybe I should skip it and stay in my nice cosy bubble of Brunel winning the most challenging leg of this race. :ph34r:

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1 minute ago, Elisa said:

I’ve not seen it yet.... maybe I should skip it and stay in my nice cosy bubble of Brunel winning the most challenging leg of this race. :ph34r:

 

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11 hours ago, paps49 said:

I'll take that as a compliment Family, things good with you?

 

Sort of...

Beginning to get ready to stand by in preparation for hauling my boat... AAAAUUUGH!

My back hurts already.

Might have an issue with the saildrive as it appears the diver put on a magnesium anode since he didn't have a zinc one handy. The photos look ominous. but the water is so silty it's hard to tell whether there is actual corrosion or the seven paint layers are bunged up from my PREVIOUS diver using a wire brush. (He "forgot" to clean the bottom for three months in a row while NOT forgetting to send a monthly bill) "Dude, like there wuz a bunch of crap growing that I cudddint  get off with the cloth, like"

So...Good until I see the bottom up close.

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1 hour ago, familysailor said:

Sort of...

Beginning to get ready to stand by in preparation for hauling my boat... AAAAUUUGH!

My back hurts already.

Might have an issue with the saildrive as it appears the diver put on a magnesium anode since he didn't have a zinc one handy. The photos look ominous. but the water is so silty it's hard to tell whether there is actual corrosion or the seven paint layers are bunged up from my PREVIOUS diver using a wire brush. (He "forgot" to clean the bottom for three months in a row while NOT forgetting to send a monthly bill) "Dude, like there wuz a bunch of crap growing that I cudddint  get off with the cloth, like"

So...Good until I see the bottom up close.

Grrrrr, sounds tedious and expensive. [sarcasm ]Big fun to work with "specialists", isn't it?!  [/sarcasm]

Before the complete race is uploaded...

 

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^^ Thank you SC, that indeed looked awful :huh:, one can only pray and hope for the best, that they again can pull it off this leg. 

Congrats Mapfre, it will be interesting to see if they have found their ice cool mode from the first few legs again. This looked pretty good I must admit.  

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^ I've noticed the same memorial logo on Scallywag team t-shirts in recent interviews.

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3 hours ago, despacio avenue said:

Yes, he said that, which was new information as previously the reports had said that the crew was sure Fish was "unconscious" when he went overboard/hit the water. I don't know how they know he was dead.

Having been knocked off a J-24, after being hit on the side of the head by the boom in an unintentional jibe in 25 knots - and waking up 3' underwater - I can completely understand the crew assumptions about John Fisher on Scallywag.  The crew on my boat and the boat next to us both assumed I was dead when I went in.  Half the wind and 1/10th the boat and maybe 1/20th the force that hit John Fisher.   

I do not remember the hit to my head, but boats 100 yards away heard it.  Totally lucky it was a sunny day, lots of RC boats around, close to shore, one of the J-24 crew was an ER nurse, I had a life jacket on and I was immediately recovered.  I was barely kept awake and was taken ashore to get a cat-scan within about 45 minutes.  I had a fractured skull, a serious concussion and difficulty with grammar for the next two years.  

Based on my experience, it would be a true miracle if John Fisher was ever conscious again after he was hit by the boom.

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Team AkzoNobel ready to take on Leg 8 of the Volvo Ocean Race after second place in port race performance in Itajaí, Brazil

April 20, 2018 

Team AkzoNobel has declared itself primed and ready for action in Itajaí, Brazil ahead of the eighth leg of the Volvo Ocean Race around the world – a 10,500-kilometer ocean voyage to Newport in the United States, starting on Sunday April 22.

The team finished second in today’s Volvo Ocean Race in port race series heat in Itajaí after leading at the first windward mark but ceding the top spot to Spanish team Mapfre on the next leg as the pair approached the second set of turning marks.

That was virtually the only mistake the team AkzoNobel sailors made during the the 60-minute race sailed in 10 – 12 knot winds and they comfortably held off a sustained challenge from Chinese entry Dongfeng Race Team.

“We are steadily improving our consistency in the in port races,” commented Chris Nicholson (AUS) who called tactics on board team AkzoNobel for helmsman Nicolai Sehested (DEN). “Strong in port races and good offshore performances often go hand-in-hand, so this result is hopefully a good indicator for the team.” 

Team AkzoNobel currently lies fourth in the overall standings after turning in a 3, 1, 3, score line over the last three open ocean legs – the best results of any of the seven competing teams in that period.   Now, with four legs and two and a half months of racing to go before the Volvo Ocean Race finishes at The Hague in the Netherlands in June, the crew of nine international sailors is poised to try to secure a spot on the overall podium – beginning with what they hope will be another strong performance on Leg 8.

The crew arrived in Itajaí at the end of Leg 7 shortly before dawn on Thursday April 5, ghosting across the finish line in light winds on a mirror-flat sea, 18 days after leaving Auckland, New Zealand. 

Despite the benign conditions at the finish the sailors and their boat were both showing signs of wear and tear after weathering the most extreme conditions of the race so far – particularly in the fearsome waters of the Southern Ocean and around Cape Horn.

Although understandably pleased to have completed such an arduous leg, the mood amongst the team AkzoNobel sailors was sombre as the loss overboard of British sailor John Fisher from the Hong Kong yacht Sun Hung Kai Scallywag weighed heavily on their minds.

While the sailors headed home for a week to rest up and mend their bruised and battered bodies, the team AkzoNobel technicians worked tirelessly in Brazil to return the team’s 65-foot racing yacht to peak condition once again. 

The crew returned to the water in Brazil on Tuesday this week for a shakedown sail, followed the next day by a third place in the official practice heat ahead of today’s in port race in Itajaí.

For team AkzoNobel sailor Martine Grael the stopover has been all the more special after the Olympic gold medalist became the first ever Brazilian woman to race into Brazil on the Volvo Ocean Race.

Grael – whose father Torben won the 2008-09 Volvo Ocean Race as skipper of Ericsson 4 ¬– said her homecoming had been “an incredible, emotional experience”. 

“It’s been wonderful to arrive in my home country and to experience the support of the local people here and see my friends and family for a little while. Today’s result was nice, especially as I feel I am representing Brazil in front of everybody who has turned out to watch.”     

Grael was also was quick to praise the efforts of the team AkzoNobel shore crew.

“They are real heroes who work so hard to make sure we have a boat in prime condition – no matter how badly worn out it is when we hand it over. Their contribution to the campaign is immeasurable.”

Light wind conditions are forecast on Sunday afternoon for the start of Leg 8 but team AkzoNobel navigator Jules Salter (GBR) is predicting a demanding time for the crew on the 10,500-kilometer passage north across the equator to Newport.

“It’s a far from straightforward leg,” said Salter who is responsible for masterminding the team’s constantly evolving strategic and tactical plans on the way to the USA. 

“There are a multitude of factors that will come into play,” he said. “Some are big picture features like the Doldrums, the Bermuda high pressure system and the Gulf Stream current, and others will be less predictable like the ocean currents off Brazil and the cloud lines and thunder storm cells on the way to the equator.”

Salter breaks the leg down into three key sections, beginning with the first 10 days of racing north from Itajaí along the Brazilian coast to the north east corner of Brazil near Recife. 

He expects the seven-boat fleet to stay compact up to this point with the teams keeping a close eye on each other and nobody likely to risk making a breakaway move as the fleet hunts for the strong and steady southern hemisphere south-easterly trade winds. 

“It’s going to be quite subtle sailing along the Brazilian coast,” Salter said. “It might look like the boats are all just going the same way, but even a few degrees change in heading could make a huge difference to boat speeds across the fleet. 

“There will be winners and losers in the speed race and then there is always the chance at any time that a big thunder cell rolling off the coast of Brazil could split the fleet up.”

According to Salter the team AkzoNobel crew’s focus will be on maximising straight-line speed on the way to the equator and on timing their sail changes to try to match the boat’s setup optimally to variations in wind strength and sea state. 

“There will be plenty going on and we also have to line ourselves up for the second key stage: making a smooth Doldrums crossing,” Salter said. “The expectation is that the Doldrums in this part of the world will be relatively benign – but you can never take that for granted and we will need our wits about us.”

Once the fleet is across the equator and into the northern hemisphere, the third section of the course takes the boats up through the North Atlantic Ocean in north-easterly trade winds towards Newport.

Along the way, depending on how far west or east their route takes them, the crews could have to skirt the light winds of the Bermuda high pressure zone or pick their way through the twists and turns of the warm water Gulf Stream current as it meanders aimlessly along the eastern seaboard of the United States.

“We will have to cross the Gulf Stream at some point to get to Newport,” Salter explained. 
“The warm water heats the air above it and can cause some quite volatile weather with thunderstorms and squalls. It shouldn’t take long to cross but it can be fairly unpleasant at times and you have to make sure to protect the boat from damage.”

A pair of commercial traffic exclusion zones form the final hurdle to negotiate on the way into Newport, creating a choice between a northern or southern approach for the navigators to ponder.

“After you have taken a pounding in the Gulf Stream the winds can often be light and tricky on the way into Newport,” Salter said. “It’s not an easy place to race into – with plenty of current and a few lobster pots to watch out we don’t get hooked on.”

Estimates based on historical data suggest the teams will take 18 – 20 days to complete Leg 8, meaning an estimated time of arrival for the Volvo Ocean Race fleet ranging from May 10 – 12.

Today’s in port race result leaves team AkzoNobel in third position in the Volvo Ocean Race in port race series which does not count toward the overall scores but will be used to separate ties in the final points at the end of the race.

Team AkzoNobel’s sailors now have fewer than 48 hours to re-calibrate their mind sets from in port to ocean racing mode before the start of Leg 8 to Newport on Sunday at 1400 local time in Brazil (1700 UTC/1900 CEST).

https://www.teamakzonobel.com/article/team-akzonobel-ready-to-take-on-leg-8-of-the-volvo-ocean-race-after-second-place-in-port-race-performance-in-itajaí-brazil

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7 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

^^^^ This one is just Witty.

 

7 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

It's from the Skally YT channel, what did you expect? 

Was just giving a pointer as the thumbnail was deceiving.

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5 hours ago, Miffy said:


It is a coping mechanism. Don't question it.

and also a bit of a Hail Mary as the decision to put in a swimmer to retrieve a body in those conditions would not be an easy one.

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In another life I listened to old timers from the battle of the Atlantic while doing archival work trying to preserve their history before they passed. 

Didn't matter what had happened. It quickly becomes apparent that most are still in pain over the loss of their fellow crewmate, and the ones that hold it together cope in the way they can. Someone left in the engine compartment or ppl in the other bulkread that was sealed - they didn't drown because of the sealing, they were already perished because they/we couldn't get them out. 

Only a tool would question ppl's reasons. 

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Putting aside the In Port result a lot of people are now starting to talk about Mapfre and Akzo, not the umbilical brothers red as the two favourites for this leg. I would put sail condition and crew cohesion incl minimal rotation, behind that premise.

I often think where Akzo would be if all the pre-start drama hadn't happened and their crew list wasn't what it is now. There is an argument that they might not be doing as well. Like Mapfre their "whole" now seems higher than just the sum of the parts.

I enjoy watching the "latitude chasing" legs the most and particularly this one as the route has the least difference in longitude between start and finish. That tends to diminish routing luck and puts more technical pressure on crews to get it right.

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Interestingly the Brazilian Campos North and Golfinho Oil Fields (near Rio and North) have been introduced as Exclusion Zones to the SI's. Interesting as it is not as though they have just appeared overnight but also there are others that are not excluded.

Bureaucracy at work, traffic increase there or maybe abandoned unlit rigs, which I thought disappeared long ago?

https://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/assets/content_v2/media/files/m46868_si-leg-08-addendum-amdt-2-20180419.pdf

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I didn’t see that this (the full in-port race from today; pre-start picks up around 27:00) had been posted yet; apologies if it already has.

 

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No sign of the full replay of the in-port. Was hoping to watch it this evening based on prior posting times by VOR. Has anyone found it elsewhere? 

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13 minutes ago, jbc said:

I didn’t see that this (the full in-port race from today; pre-start picks up around 27:00) had been posted yet; apologies if it already has

Hmmm, I think this one is a few years late. :D

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

I suppose this is where I have to own up and tell you all that Sophie and I have eloped.

Huh. Just as Martine was looking particularly attractive in full face makeup, nicely tanned from trips to Brazilian beaches, washed and au natural hair, and very happy as she should be with Azko's in port finish, her fans and family cheering them on, and the upcoming leg.

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45 minutes ago, jbc said:

I didn’t see that this (the full in-port race from today; pre-start picks up around 27:00) had been posted yet; apologies if it already has.

 

Oops. :-)

It’s still April, right? Can I sell this as April Fool’s?

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Maybe this one:

 

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8 hours ago, Potter said:

So, our Shore Tech Team Manager saw a dog being abandoned. We checked if it really had just been dumped, adopted it, cleaned it up, de-ticked and de-flead him, and he has become the team mascot, named him Snoop...so we changed our team song to Snoop Dogg... the boys on the shore team take turns to look after him.

We have also found a nice home for him when we leave, but for the moment he is our good luck charm.

 

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8 minutes ago, jbc said:

Maybe this one:

 

It’s not from the VOR account, and the resolution seems low. Maybe someone recorded the livestream and reposted it? You may want to wait for the official version if you’re looking for high def.

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2 hours ago, Miffy said:

Is Ciszek sitting out on the next one?

The commentator during the in-port today said there would be no crew changes on MAPFRE for the next leg.

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From the 360 video it looks like they use reverse direction winches on the port main and starboard runner.  12m's used to have that on the headsail winches, took a lot of getting used to

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

I suppose this is where I have to own up and tell you all that Sophie and I have eloped.

 

1 hour ago, despacio avenue said:

Huh. Just as Martine was looking particularly attractive in full face makeup, nicely tanned..

Mate bit of lunch cutting maybe..but there is no place for bigamy in offshore sailing.

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Some fluff. In the media relations, get things buzzing for the next stopover department etc I see the Newport Mayor was aboard Vestas for the In Port earlier today.

Having never been there this time of year had a look at the weather..low temps hovering around < 5 degrees C. Yikes thats close to ice in the water time, I hope it warms up quickly there this time of year. Makes you think about ideas of getting out of the SO sooner and somewhere as far north in the USA like Newport as a stopover are mutually exclusive.

Also makes you think how Europe 10 degrees further north but far warmer even now, would be totally screwed without the Gulf Stream.

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6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Interestingly the Brazilian Campos North and Golfinho Oil Fields (near Rio and North) have been introduced as Exclusion Zones to the SI's. Interesting as it is not as though they have just appeared overnight but also there are others that are not excluded.

Bureaucracy at work, traffic increase there or maybe abandoned unlit rigs, which I thought disappeared long ago?

https://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/assets/content_v2/media/files/m46868_si-leg-08-addendum-amdt-2-20180419.pdf

Maybe the Oil Companies have been following this thread and got nervous??

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Watching the inport replay Brunel really made a mess of that 1st mark rounding!

Firstly they had the premmy unroll then just as they were getting that under control and building some speed they do a Claytons gybe!

Either some one called for the gybe and changed their minds or the lazy sheet trimmer got over excited.

Check the vid from 21.30.

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17 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

[Video of Witty at presser]

Lots of IVs still uploading...

@olaf hart: A downvote for posting a video link? It wasn't even a double post!
Fingers too large or life too miserable?

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12 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

@olaf hart: A downvote for posting a video link? It wasn't even a double post!
Fingers too large or life too miserable?

Doesn't sound like Olly, must be the fingers.

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33 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

@olaf hart: A downvote for posting a video link? It wasn't even a double post!
Fingers too large or life too miserable?

Sorry, I meant a plus, it is a moving video.

i will have a stern word with the iPad and see if I can remedy it.

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