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VOR Leg 8 Itajaí to Newport

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16 hours ago, southerncross said:

Don't know whose armrhis belongs to.

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Update to the Fish logo from Scallywag FB page:

 

Edit: FB embed code doesn't seem to work here, so this is the text only. More pics on FB:

 

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We want to thank everyone for the tremendous amount of support, kind words and love given to the team throughout this difficult time.

In honour and memory of John Fisher, also known as "Fish" to the crew, we will be continuing the race and future projects with this beautifully designed logo by Daniel Sim Design: Logo & Branding Design Specialist, which will be incorporated into everything we have, and everything we do.

Forever will he be in our hearts and memories. May he rest in peace.

 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Potter I'm with you on that. Not even consistent with starting the Prologue being a prerequisite to competing.


In general, I feel this edition in particular has been fast and loose with the rules - in the name of "better racing/keeping sponsors happy"

Partisan interests aside, it became clear by the time the boats got to Australia that the new VOR is about keeping a good show going. For better or worse.

 

1 hour ago, NORBowGirl said:

Scallywag of course, still.

I'm a bit annoyed that the crew list isn't published yet, though. Obviously they know by now who the crew will be. But the editor of the VOR site hasnt done their very simple job. The text now says "seven teams will blablabla", and then they list six teams. 

Embarrasing. 

 

And Sophie is not listed with Mapfre. Is that also just a piss poor job by the editor or not? Hard to trust the site. Hard to believe that somebody is getting paid for this job and gets away with such massive underperformance. 


Yah - I asked yesterday because she wasn't on the boat. *shrug* everyone needs a break every now and then.

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Sophie had an operation on her elbow during the Auckland stopover. It has been decided,  by her I think, that she needs a bit of time for it to get better after the last leg. Not a bad leg for them to choose to go light.

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47 minutes ago, Potter said:

Sophie had an operation on her elbow during the Auckland stopover. It has been decided,  by her I think, that she needs a bit of time for it to get better after the last leg. Not a bad leg for them to choose to go light.

I agree. 

But she should have been listed AS "out" for this leg, like they do with other crew changes. Now I feel like I can't trust these crew lists at all. And it doesn't require an Einstein to keep these lists correct....

 

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I know this is part of the skippers interview but I thought this deserved a separate post. Go Scallies, Go Witty!

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I think the heavy edited and lack of full coverage of the press conferences is a shame. Genuine ppl being filtered.

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36 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

^ ?
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Thanks. They must have updated it right after I wrote this. Gee, I feel powerful ;) 

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Has anyone got the link to the alternate tracker for the race?  I lost it but I think it was by windytv.

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Thanks.   I found that one but it is not it.   The one I am looking for had more of the boat data on it with a leaderboard.  It also showed the exclusion zones and routing.  It looked almost like the tracker from the volvo web page but unlike the volvo web page, it actually worked for me.

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9 minutes ago, opusnz said:

Thanks.   I found that one but it is not it.   The one I am looking for had more of the boat data on it with a leaderboard.  It also showed the exclusion zones and routing.  It looked almost like the tracker from the volvo web page but unlike the volvo web page, it actually worked for me.

You're not talking about Volodia's "Pro" addon for the official VOR tracker?

Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vor-pro-mode/aokgkknapagmgagpkkehgagnmnddpgbc?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog

Different VOR tracker links:

https://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/tracker/leg07_babylon.html, resp. https://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/tracker/leg08_babylon.html

3D: https://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/assets/virtualeye/volvobabylon/

Dashboard: https://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/tracker.html

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51 minutes ago, Miffy said:

I think the heavy edited and lack of full coverage of the press conferences is a shame. Genuine ppl being filtered.

Not only a shame, it's a sham !

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1 hour ago, Miffy said:

I think the heavy edited and lack of full coverage of the press conferences is a shame. Genuine ppl being filtered.

Judging by how bored all the skippers look most of the time, they’re probably asking the same old dull questions they have been asking from the start.  What’s to see?

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11 hours ago, paps49 said:

Watching the inport replay Brunel really made a mess of that 1st mark rounding!

Firstly they had the premmy unroll then just as they were getting that under control and building some speed they do a Claytons gybe!

Either some one called for the gybe and changed their minds or the lazy sheet trimmer got over excited.

I agree it was messy, but perhaps immediately after they rounded the mark itself, not before it. I originally thought it was a premature unfurl, but if you look carefully, the unfurl was arguably beautifully timed , because they were wide of the port mark and need to bear away to reach to the mark and further bear away to the proper course, all on starboard. What went wrong was that the windward sheet got taken on not the leeward sheet as they bore away to the same course (starboard) as all the previous boats Akzo and Mapfre.

Then again, maybe they had planned to go round the starboard mark but the unfurl happened, so quickly cancel that plan and go for the port mark, now the wrong winches are loaded or wrongly cross connected to the grinders. Even more messy.

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1 hour ago, southerncross said:

Judging by how bored all the skippers look most of the time, they’re probably asking the same old dull questions they have been asking from the start.  What’s to see?

Shrug. We don't know what we don't know. 

I'd rather have the opportunity to watch the press conference than not. Someone who is bored of it all can always not watch. 

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56 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Shrug. We don't know what we don't know. 

I'd rather have the opportunity to watch the press conference than not. Someone who is bored of it all can always not watch. 

Shrug.  It’s all just about keeping a good show going as you say.

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1 hour ago, despacio avenue said:

DF, MP, AZN, Brunel, Vestas, SHKS, TTOP

Desparado my guys are saying #1 will determined by having to have first incurred some damage in a SO leg and if on more than one SO leg....well.

There is also a fuzzy message of an Albatross providing some guidance around light wind and weed patches to an unknown team.

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Scallywag back in the water

 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Desparado my guys are saying #1 will determined by having to have first incurred some damage in a SO leg and if on more than one SO leg....well.

There is also a fuzzy message of an Albatross providing some guidance around light wind and weed patches to an unknown team.

Enough jerking around, Jack.  Make your call.

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

There is also a fuzzy message of an Albatross providing some guidance around light wind and weed patches to an unknown team.

It is a nice image.

Would be good to see Scally do well this leg, but I doubt they will be really firing for a while yet. 

Since we are picking winners, I'm going to go for Akzo. They have the form, and it sort of feels right. Tend to agree that the smart money will be on a podium shared by AK, DF, MF. Just the order that is to be determined. 

I wonder what the chances are of DF never winning a leg, but taking the race? 

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21 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Enough jerking around, Jack.  Make your call.

SX already done it plus the above clue isn't exactly a brain twister. But as your Schackeling contrary to your own thread rules..Akzo, MP and then DF but only a maybe as jury is out on BR until this leg is underway.

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

Akzo, MP, DF.

Did I miss it?  Sorry.  I looked.

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28 minutes ago, Marty6 said:

Scallywag back in the water

Getting her back in the piss on Saturday would have been a relief... lot of hard work must have gone into that.

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Having regard for, say Witty's comments about the lack of an emergency VHF/AIS antenna (not withstanding saying nothing about this at the Presser when invited to do so) and Friday's safety conference with skippers. Also what I regard as a very through effort by the RO to incorporate a safe but still practical platform for this event.

I have therefore been keeping an eye out on the Notice Board for amendments to the various race documents incl RO and Team supplied safety gear etc. 

Those amendments could be anything from mandatory gear to onboard conduct, such as say mandatory wearing of auto triggered AIS PLB's (when not wearing a PFD with it already bolted on with their 406 MHz PLB).

Interestingly nothing has appeared to this point.

Maybe something has occured, but has been implemented quietly, or Friday's safety review indicates what they started with is solid from everyone's collective viewpoint?

Don't worry this post will not lead to Chay and I publishing wireless diagrams, though that does divert me from giving Shang a friendly elbow about the overall 2/1 hoodoo and incuring no SO legs damage of note for getting #1 this leg, clear signs from above the Dong can't just ignore.

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7 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

They are not even game to mention the 2/1 Hoodoo..denial is not good.

 

They are obviously not as superstitious as you are young Jack ;-) 

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8 hours ago, despacio avenue said:

DF, MP, AZN, Brunel, Vestas, SHKS, TTOP

MP, Brunel, DF, AZN, Vestas, TTOP, then SHKS.

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1 hour ago, shanghaisailor said:

They are obviously not as superstitious as you are young Jack ;-) 

Superstitous...Fuck me Shang it wasn't me who air freighted Team Dong a lucky gold cat holding tablets in its paws inscribed with the sad Telefonica story and some 2/1 anti-hoodoo script in Mandarin ...and that the poor buggers have been praying to during their boatyard lunchbreaks amoungst an odour of burning joss sticks sprinkled in Rhino horn since the friggin cat arrived in Itajai.

I have it on good authority that most of Charles's recent interviews have had to be heavilly edited to take out the bits where he goes on and on about their Le Shiny Gold Pussy.

Whiskers Lucky would be going on board now wearing a PFD if it wasn't for SI's on crew number limits if Charles had his way.

Gee Wizz.. talk about denial.

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I never try to predict or bet on any sort of sport of any kind, too unpredictable, however I did consider changing my wallpaper on my machine (recently downloaded some Hentai that would do the job quite nicely) & decided against that, current image is a very nice 1920X1080 view of TTOP from astern that rennie posted a while back, so maybe a little superstitious.

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Jack,

As a[nother] DF fan, in my opinion to the extent you  believe SO damage is a prerequisite to finishing first in Leg 8, DF met that requirement and beyond, in the last edition. Furthermore, DF then went on to win the leg from Itajai to Newport. I believe it has the top crew overall. It does have a problem with its starts, without a doubt. Mapre is very strong. Akzo has continued to improve and leaves little doubt it is a contender. Brunel did show it has the ability to be a contender in the last leg. Both Brunel and Vestas made a mess of yesterday's in port, and Vestas is inconsistent. SHKS has the emotional reasons to work hard for a win, but also has a totally new crew member. TTOP has made tremendous strides but is still too unpredictable. That said, I would sail almost anywhere with Liz Wardley, and Dee has shown real leadership. 

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59 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

As a[nother] DF fan, in my opinion to the extent you  believe SO damage is a prerequisite to finishing first in Leg 8, DF met that requirement and beyond, in the last edition. Furthermore, DF then went on to win the leg from Itajai to Newport.

Mate have you been speaking to and influencing my round table analysts??? they keep banging on about SO mast damage being a prerequisite factor for predicting the winner of this leg.

Maybe Charles within sight of the Itajai line should have taken angle grinder to the rig and coasted over? The really superstitious Dong types would have said do that, anchor and wait for Akzo to take 2nd to avoid the 2/1 hoodoo or the 2 bit at least?

This prediction stuff is very creepy. Then again superstition has never been part of a sailors life has it? Though they never seem to stock bananas and are never keen on Friday race starts....mmmm.

As for your more serious analysis I would add the thoughts of someone who has had the opportunity to look at the entire sail wardrobe condition of each team starting this leg. For this leg in particular that has a big bearing on results than many legs in my opinion.

This is not a leg with many get lucky opportunities to cover any deficiencies, no matter what they are.

A "cream comes to the top" leg some may say.

 

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Bananas...I've seen some pretty seriously ugly scenes on boats when an unwitting/naive/unknowledgable person came onboard with a banana.  The banana owners were variously confused/stunned/aghast as the response, and In the case of a fishing boat, were the subject of heaps of blame for a lousy catch.

Charles should have hooked up the hydro machine or something; it was painful to watch the Leg 7 finish. It was like that kids book The Little Engine That Could, except it was The Big Sailboat That Could Not.

 

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Brunel is using a new main sail since Auckland, Mapfre is going to use a new one now. Vesta is probably using a new one by obligation. What about the other boats, when are they going to change  ? 

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Vestas, MP, DF, AK, SW, BR, TTT

 

 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Superstitous...Fuck me Shang it wasn't me who air freighted Team Dong a lucky gold cat holding tablets in its paws inscribed with the sad Telefonica story and some 2/1 anti-hoodoo script in Mandarin ...and that the poor buggers have been praying to during their boatyard lunchbreaks amoungst an odour of burning joss sticks sprinkled in Rhino horn since the friggin cat arrived in Itajai.

I have it on good authority that most of Charles's recent interviews have had to be heavilly edited to take out the bits where he goes on and on about their Le Shiny Gold Pussy.

Whiskers Lucky would be going on board now wearing a PFD if it wasn't for SI's on crew number limits if Charles had his way.

Gee Wizz.. talk about denial.

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It is becoming clear jack that you will say anything to support your argument.

You clearly have never attended even Mandarin 101. The cat above is a good fortune cat, primarily financial fortune. Not the slightest mention of a Spanish media company or how their campaign fell apart. Don't know who drew the red circles on the photo but TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

At least you made me laugh and my Chinese friends thought it was hilarious and wanted to know who the idiot was. (quote - unquote)

And of you look closely at the photo it actually appears to be in a place of business  - probably a restaurant around Chinese Spring Festival - with the lantern at both top left and top right. I don't know what gave you the idea it was in the DFRT Team container but someone has been having you on my old son.

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43 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

At least you made me laugh and my Chinese friends thought it was hilarious

Tick that box...which is actually pretty hard.

43 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

...and wanted to know who the idiot was. (quote - unquote)

I'm now suddenly offended.

43 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

And of you look closely at the photo it actually appears to be in a place of business  - probably a restaurant around Chinese Spring Festival - with the lantern at both top left and top right. I don't know what gave you the idea it was in the DFRT Team container but someone has been having you on my old son.

But discredit and belittle the mouthpiece of  insider info and prediction...by attacking him using detailed interweb photo analysis???

Mmmm..you have been too long there Shang...you are in dire need of a western sense of humour injection.

Gotta run as my round table crowd have just come up with another predictive outcome for this leg based on past results ....it is scary, you won't like it and so I'm not game to tell.

Dont worry though..afterall no one believes in luck where you are?

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It's a wet filthy  April day here in China Jack. I guess Shang is pining for the the old homeland, and humour is way over his head....... 

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16 minutes ago, Qingdaosog said:

It's a wet filthy  April day here in China Jack. I guess Shang is pining for the the old homeland, and humour is way over his head....... 

Qing your dead right, but a good guy, don't get me wrong. He just needs a short stint with a western humour readjustment bureau somewhere.

Having said that I do admit to taking advantage of his current malaise.

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1 hour ago, BozoC said:

Brunel is using a new main sail since Auckland, Mapfre is going to use a new one now. Vesta is probably using a new one by obligation. What about the other boats, when are they going to change  ? 

Brunel and TTTOP used new mains from HK, but TTTOP switched back to the old one for the Southern Ocean, not sure about Brunel, but I would imagine so as well. Can't see any good reason for using a new main when it is reefed most of the time. 

I think Akzo did the same. 

Vestas are obviously on their new main now having ditched theirs in the South Atlantic ... #leadingsustainability.... ;)

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16 hours ago, Miffy said:

In general, I feel this edition in particular has been fast and loose with the rules - in the name of "better racing/keeping sponsors happy"

Understandable where there are stopovers in a RTW race that is breathing fumes. Non stop RTW sponsor demands stop at the start line.

16 hours ago, Miffy said:

Yah - I asked yesterday because she wasn't on the boat. *shrug* everyone needs a break every now and then.

After much soul searching Sophie and I decided that when we eloped post Etajai we would go media quiet for a while...or at at least until I untied her and she then starting hollaring for the Police.

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36 minutes ago, Potter said:

Brunel and TTTOP used new mains from HK, but TTTOP switched back to the old one for the Southern Ocean, not sure about Brunel, but I would imagine so as well. Can't see any good reason for using a new main when it is reefed most of the time. 

I think Akzo did the same. 

Vestas are obviously on their new main now having ditched theirs in the South Atlantic ... #leadingsustainability.... ;)

Potter word on the ground is including but beyond mains, Akzo and Mapfre have the best condition overall primary sail wardrobe leaving Itajai. That leak may well be horseshit, who knows?

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DF, Akzo, MF, Brunel, Vestas, Scally, TTOP...

Dongfeng will want to win a leg so badly I think. Akzo will challenge them and they have a good chance of doing so. 

I’m particularly interested in Mapfre, will they get back on their ice cool professional horse? Or have they peaked too early in the first few legs?  

And there is the submarine, will they find some consistency this leg? I doubt it, the in-port race didn’t show much in that respect. 

 

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Good stuff--will take  a few days to catchup on all the good links and posts. Re impossible-to-predict-game: any order likely this leg. Guessing this order:

MAPF (main, grinders, lighter, and worked out light air sailing last part of last leg, but their edge is mostly speed and their evolutions speed in transitions)

TBRU. Age and cunning combined with youth and brilliance should give the the edge as we saw last leg and in the in-port.

AKZO. Teamwork and experience coming together should give them the little extra in the transitions

DFRT. Good all around.

VS11 Home port, but back foot. 

TTOP. Gelling as a team, speed still developing. Podium in Europe

SHKS. They've already 'won'. 

Bathroom break over. Cheers

 

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24 minutes ago, stief said:

SHKS. They've already 'won'. 

Stief that is a piece of unashamable jingoism..but like it or hate it how true.

It recognises everyone from those that just compete and don't do so well as expected through to those like Scally where the whole plan goes tits up and in their case of the worst variety.

I love sport, offshore racing the most...find me a replacement if you can and I'm in,  but don't hold your breath waiting.

PS. I down voted you because you put Akzo #2.

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This leg is all about routing (and luck going across the doldrums.) with more then one possible route ! 

AKZO  : Has been quite performant going through Doldrums twice and made good routing choices during leg 7. 

MAPFRE : If they are not covering DFRT, they will be in good position for a win but they are fighting so hard DFRT than AKZO has a better chance of winning.

DFRT : Still waiting for a genius routing decision from Pascal. Too many mistakes so far and definitively not the excellence seen in previous edition.

BRUNEL : Having won the previous leg, will take too many risks and fail (again !) just like leg 6 

VESTAS : Too many issues with the sponsors, cannot break again and will hesitate to take risk ; no risk no gain.  

TTTOP : Better than ever but still lagging a little bit behind.  

SHKS : Has been lucky twice with the routing, will not happen again. Unfortunately John Fisher will remain in their head until the end, which is not good for a good result.   

 

 

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

I love sport...find me a replacement and I'm in,  but don't hold your breath.

True that. Need a break from following Venezuelan inflation, Syrian air strikes, Amnesty campaigns, trade deal negotiations, Intellectual Property battles, Satellite protocol cooperation, personal and global efforts with plastic problem, etc. Real world problems. 

Gotta love this place for putting it all in perspective and the comic relief.

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11 minutes ago, BozoC said:

This leg is all about routing

Of the latitude chasing legs this one has the one most little to do with routing. However as you put Akzo #1 you get a big likey.

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47 minutes ago, stief said:

True that. Need a break from following Venezuelan inflation, Syrian air strikes,..

You forgot the revelation this week that the Kardashian sisters were not born of natural parents but test tube orphans (the tube broke on account of the size of their arses) selected very young by the Disney corporation and then traded by the networks until the music stopped and the producer disguised as their surrogate father put on the pretense of liking dresses over trousers but getting a bad tit job and even worse dress sense advise in terms of hiding his rudder.

That resulted in a recognition explosion for the sisters exceeding that of their President (the American not the Mexico laboratory one) and their combined net worth just exceeding Syria's.  

Coincidence is the next season show will no doubt be Chloe banging a suave dark haired UN Middle East chemical  weapons inspector carrying a sock full of sand in his pants which quickly fades to her interior decorating a refugee tent in Turkey. The series ends with Chloe leading a US delegation to Nth Korea, thinking she is only going across town to an Asian restaurant with a name she can't pronounce.

Stief the world is not tilting on its axis I can assure you. If it is sailing will save us all.

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45 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

You forgot [much more]

Stief the world is not tilting on its axis I can assure you.

Well, when I saw you had posted links --LINKS! -- to the noticeboard and more, that's when I thought the world as I knew it had flipped. Good reminder about Turkey and N Korea, though. Good that General Anarchy has taken up those discussions.

Re this leg though, surprised more teams didn't emphasize the sargasso problem as much as TTOP did. Have yet to find a better write up  than Conrad's "motivated velcro" piece. Jack Bouttell  proved he is a contender and could well challenge Conrad for the best writing about this leg. 

 

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1 minute ago, stief said:

Re this leg though, surprised more teams didn't emphasize the sargasso problem as much as TTOP did.

From anecdotel evidence this edition not as much a problem as last one, and if it is it is everyone's. 

Always wondered under class rules etc if they were allowed to carry their own gear to help deal with that other than the Swimmer on Watch and backing down shit?

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3 hours ago, BozoC said:

Brunel is using a new main sail since Auckland, Mapfre is going to use a new one now. Vesta is probably using a new one by obligation. What about the other boats, when are they going to change  ? 

The new sails on some of the boats do concern me. Thought discussion of that during the in-port was interesting.

21 minutes ago, stief said:

Well, when I saw you had posted links --LINKS! -- to the noticeboard and more, that's when I thought the world as I knew it had flipped. Good reminder about Turkey and N Korea, though. Good that General Anarchy has taken up those discussions.

I feel I must mention the auction last week of Russell Crowe's paraphernalia as part of his divorce settlement (Australian connection, thus thread-worthy). The leather jock strap he wore in "The Gladiator" sold for $7,000. Imagine my surprise when I learned that a local guy here in Anchorage has bought it and plans to display it; how , when and where has not been determined.. 
 

Re this leg though, surprised more teams didn't emphasize the sargasso problem as much as TTOP did. Have yet to find a better write up  than Conrad's "motivated velcro" piece. Jack Bouttell  proved he is a contender and could well challenge Conrad for the best writing about this leg. 

Jack is one of the more cerebral, sensitive people in the race. He cares deeply about people, the sport of sailing, and other things. He was on the DF shore crew last edition and so impressed Charles that he actually crewed a leg. And has been on every leg of this edition. He has gotten some teasing about that, with the reason being his fiancee is the team's director (Bruno DuBois). He has plans to do single-handed sailing. His  interviews for the OBR and on various media platforms make for a good read. He is a neat nick and displays undisguised amused disgust with some of the apparently loathsome condition his crew mates leave the living quarters in on board. 

 

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15 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

 

I believe Jack has an old IMOCA waiting for him to get back and start refitted. 

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14 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

Jack is one of the more cerebral, sensitive people

Someone is having a long Saturday night on the drink 

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Good point about weed being a common problem, Jack. Will watch for cunning solutions to deweeding (in addition to drivers sailing around the patches).

Despo, if you happen across some good links to Jack B's writing, much appreciated. Will try follow up on the tips above, but the todo list is getting too long. Like the people who appreciate drone skills, good writers really grab my attention. One of the unexpected treats when following the race.

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12 minutes ago, Potter said:

I believe Jack has an old IMOCA waiting for him to get back and start refitted. 

Quite a few Vendee hopefuls who have had or are getting a leg up partly thanks to the VOR. 2 or more race experts, quite a few of the crews, and I don't know how many more in the boatyard and other jobs/ roles. No wonder 90% of the IMOCA skippers approved of continuing talks.

More than 10 this edition? 

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2 hours ago, Qingdaosog said:

It's a wet filthy  April day here in China Jack. I guess Shang is pining for the the old homeland, and humour is way over his head....... 

Speak for yourself Qingdaosog - it is a beautiful day here in Shanghai :-) And I am home and as a Newbie you might not understand that you need a sense of humour to be on these forums for any length of time - am I right Jack?

 

2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Tick that box...which is actually pretty hard.

I'm now suddenly offended.

But discredit and belittle the mouthpiece of  insider info and prediction...by attacking him using detailed interweb photo analysis???

Mmmm..you have been too long there Shang...you are in dire need of a western sense of humour injection.

Gotta run as my round table crowd have just come up with another predictive outcome for this leg based on past results ....it is scary, you won't like it and so I'm not game to tell.

Dont worry though..afterall no one believes in luck where you are?

C'mon Jack, i am sure it takes rather more than being called an idiot to offend you and I was only giving a direct quote from someone who actually has one of these cats in hi s place of business.

Actually it is not like you to not respond in kind - you feeling OK?

As far as this upcoming leg Dongfeng needs a touch of Pascal genius along the lines of his BP 907 Nm in a day. It's going to be a late night, why can't they start these bloody races earlier haha!

Stay well

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10 minutes ago, Potter said:

I believe Jack has an old IMOCA waiting for him to get back and start refitted. 

Only a quick expedition boat in the stable these days Potter. Though I must admit when Andrea Mura's program starting going tits up a couple of years ago I was very tempted to have a crack. Luckily for me I gave myself an uppercut before my kids did. Arguably and unluckily for the boat an older, far richer and grumpier dreamer took it on.  

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10 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

Actually it is not like you to not respond in kind - you feeling OK?

Put it down to pre-start nerves and worried the new oil field exclusion zones cuts out a sneaky inshore option getting past Rio.

I don't understand....when I go down to the dock it is getting dark, no ones there, those that are don't speak Portugese and I can't see a VO65 in sight?? Maybe I'm dreaming?? 

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Shang you are lucky then in Shanghai.  Very wet Shandong. Anyway as a newbie, not my place to challenge the great and the good. (Jack and Shang) . Just happy to learn so much about VOR from this forum. . And go Dongfeng, go!!!

Great that China has a team. Who could imagine that 10years ago.

 

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23 minutes ago, Qingdaosog said:

Great that China has a team. Who could imagine that 10years ago.

I sat in a bar on the Bund in Shanghai over 20 years ago looking out across the Huangpu River thinking not a lot...when I was there in the same bar I think around 10 years after or 10 years ago ..I thought fuck, these guys have really discovered how to use steel and concrete.

Amazing place as you and Shang well know. Betcha that bar is till there though.

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3 hours ago, Potter said:

Brunel and TTTOP used new mains from HK, but TTTOP switched back to the old one for the Southern Ocean, not sure about Brunel, but I would imagine so as well. Can't see any good reason for using a new main when it is reefed most of the time. 

I think Akzo did the same. 

Vestas are obviously on their new main now having ditched theirs in the South Atlantic ... #leadingsustainability.... ;)

Steif posted a Tweet from the inport about who is using new mains.  Upthread somewhere.

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31 minutes ago, Qingdaosog said:

Shang you are lucky then in Shanghai.  Very wet Shandong. Anyway as a newbie, not my place to challenge the great and the good. (Jack and Shang) . Just happy to learn so much about VOR from this forum. . And go Dongfeng, go!!!

Great that China has a team. Who could imagine that 10years ago.

 

The purpose of the Dongfeng team - to expand and bring attention to Chinese offshore sailing and train and involve Chinese sailors in the VOR is one of the primary reasons I began supporting DF in the last edition. It has been a joy to see how the sailors who have sailed with the team this edition have grown from the last one in every way.

Shanghai also blew me away. It's architecture is second to none.  Culturally, aesthetically, and visually the whole country was amazing to me when I was last there four years ago; back in 1984 when I first visited China it was just to Szchenzen (from Hong Kong) and then only a day trip. 

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1 minute ago, despacio avenue said:

The purpose of the Dongfeng team - to expand and bring attention to Chinese offshore sailing and train and involve Chinese sailors in the VOR is one of the primary reasons I began supporting DF in the last edition. It has been a joy to see how the sailors who have sailed with the team this edition have grown from the last one in every way.

Shanghai also blew me away. It's architecture is second to none.  Culturally, aesthetically, and visually the whole country was amazing to me when I was last there four years ago; back in 1984 when I first visited China it was just to Szchenzen (from Hong Kong) and then only a day trip. 

I would love more Chinese involvement, e.g. more Chinese sailors on board per leg. How many and which on-shore positions are occupied by Chinese persons?

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Earth Day.  My son's birthday. Beach surf party with friends and family. I might miss the start unless I can sneak away.  Enjoy.

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1 hour ago, stief said:

Good point about weed being a common problem, Jack. Will watch for cunning solutions to deweeding (in addition to drivers sailing around the patches).I recall it being a real problem on this leg last edition.

Despo, if you happen across some good links to Jack B's writing, much appreciated. Will do. Will try follow up on the tips above, but the todo list is getting too long. Like the people who appreciate drone skills, good writers really grab my attention. One of the unexpected treats when following the race.  Agree. 

My youngest niece's boyfriend operates a drone for the USFS. He brought it to a family gathering in AZ at Thanksgiving. There is a proper place and use for drones and good drone hygiene needs to be observed, for sure.  I have been annoyed with drones interfering with quiet and beauty in places, Iceland comes to mind, but it was fun and fascinating to use and they certainly have made a difference in my enjoyment of this race this year. 

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3 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

I would love more Chinese involvement, e.g. more Chinese sailors on board per leg. How many and which on-shore positions are occupied by Chinese persons?

If you go to the VOR website and look at the DF team, it will show you shore-side employees as well as the sailing crew. There are undoubtedly more; Shang may know.

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5 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Earth Day.  My son's birthday. Beach surf party with friends and family. I might miss the start unless I can sneak away.  Enjoy.

SC: This was supposed to accompany my above post....

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4 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Beach surf party with friends and family.

Well tuck your gut in and tell Annette to leave the bunny ears behind.  :-)

Enjoy

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3 minutes ago, southerncross said:

Earth Day.  My son's birthday. Beach surf party with friends and family. I might miss the start unless I can sneak away.  Enjoy.

(Aside: Weird coincidences. Tomorrow Shakespeare's birthday and my son has his 30th. No time for the race--gotta sneak peek here while getting the projects done in time :D )

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4 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

If you go to the VOR website and look at the DF team, it will show you shore-side employees as well as the sailing crew. There are undoubtedly more; Shang may know.

Maybe I am looking at the wrong place, but the VOR site/Teams/DF only shows the "Sailing Squad". But I'm at odds with this confusing website anyway.
Their team website shows more information tho. Not many Chinese for a Chinese team.

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28 minutes ago, stief said:

(Aside: Weird coincidences. Tomorrow Shakespeare's birthday and my son has his 30th. No time for the race--gotta sneak peek here while getting the projects done in time :D )

Famous people ...birthday coincidences ..mmm .....

It is Jack Nicholson's (actor) birthday today....so how many boats are lining up at the start today that have a Nico on board..or even more than one???....

Shang you really need to start polishing that lucky gold cat to within an inch of its life.

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19 minutes ago, Rennmaus said:

Maybe I am looking at the wrong place, but the VOR site/Teams/DF only shows the "Sailing Squad". But I'm at odds with this confusing website anyway.
Their team website shows more information tho. Not many Chinese for a Chinese team.

I was speaking with the Team Principal on Friday night, and he would lioe to try and push for greater involvement from Chinese nationals/residents. However, the orders from the sponsor for this race were very much based on performance and results, so that did limit their ability to teach somewhat. 

Dongfeng have said that they would have been happy to have zero Chinese on board, but Bruno felt the team would not be right like that. 

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4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Scally has a lot.

I colonial tradition, they rather have a considerable number of Brits and Commonwealthies on and off board :wacko:

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1 minute ago, Potter said:

I was speaking with the Team Principal on Friday night, and he would lioe to try and push for greater involvement from Chinese nationals/residents. However, the orders from the sponsor for this race were very much based on performance and results, so that did limit their ability to teach somewhat. 

Dongfeng have said that they would have been happy to have zero Chinese on board, but Bruno felt the team would not be right like that. 

Thanks for the insight. Sad statement, especially when we are talking about supporting/promoting sailing in China (apparently not the goal for Dongfeng), but good to know. Thanks again for sharing.

Even only few on shore jobs are taken by Chinese, except for Chinese media relations of course, and a bit of accounting. Isn't it lucrative or prestigious enough to work for a VOR campaign? 

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