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Rumor mill is saying that when Cohen revealed Hannity's name the reporters present in the courtroom were stomping their feet and howling with laughter. Judge had to repeatedly call for order in the court.

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1 hour ago, jacksparrow said:

I thought that was a joke when I first read it.

 

Shit, I thought it was a joke till I reread it 20 + times.  Seriously??  You can't make this shit up...  :)

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How can Hannity have any credibility now since he did not disclose his relationship with the person he reports about?

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1 minute ago, Mike G said:

How can Hannity have any credibility now since he did not disclose his relationship with the person he reports about?

It's not like he changed his party affiliation.  Nothing burger.  

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1 minute ago, Mike G said:

How can Hannity have any credibility now since he did not disclose his relationship with the person he reports about?

How can he lose credibility he never had?

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I would think that FOX, always wanting to remain truthful and credible, might have preferred that Sean made that "full disclosure" statement before any Cohen news.

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Listening to stormy Daniels lawyer shooting his mouth off after the court hearing.   So he is now driving the investigation?  That Mueller’s referral was on a porn stars lawyers request?  Seriously this is turning into a joke. 

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Avenetti is several levels above of the idiot Cohen and his attorneys. He's representing Stormy in a lawsuit against Cohen. What hasn't been reported much yet is that apparently Cohen and Stormy's previous lawyer Daniels were working a scam together to bilk both sides. There's going to be a lot of disbarments coming down.

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10 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

Listening to stormy Daniels lawyer shooting his mouth off after the court hearing.   So he is now driving the investigation?  That Mueller’s referral was on a porn stars lawyers request?  Seriously this is turning into a joke. 

It's been a joke ever since Trump became the so-called president. He's a joke. 

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18 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

Listening to stormy Daniels lawyer shooting his mouth off after the court hearing.   So he is now driving the investigation?  That Mueller’s referral was on a porn stars lawyers request?  Seriously this is turning into a joke. 

and yet you supported him.

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6 minutes ago, RKoch said:

Avenetti is several levels above of the idiot Cohen and his attorneys. He's representing Stormy in a lawsuit against Cohen. What hasn't been reported much yet is that apparently Cohen and Stormy's previous lawyer Daniels were working a scam together to bilk both sides. There's going to be a lot of disbarments coming down.

Is that his name?  The guy talked like he was in charge.  I thought he was just a guest in the room along with his client. 

Funny how far we have come from Russian collusion with the election. 

What is the porn star and her lawyer all upset about.  I thought they are trying to get an NDA revoked so they can make big bucks selling the story.   I thought it was consensual sex.   She is acting like a rape victim.   I was impressed that a porn star is that good at acting 

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3 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

and yet you supported him.

You make no sense.  I support the Mueller investigation.  This seems like a  strange side show.  

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25 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

Listening to stormy Daniels lawyer shooting his mouth off after the court hearing.   So he is now driving the investigation?  That Mueller’s referral was on a porn stars lawyers request?  Seriously this is turning into a joke. 

He's wiping the floor with cohen and trump like they are TMSAIL and cohen and trump are reality

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1 minute ago, TMSAIL said:

You make no sense.  I support the Mueller investigation.  This seems like a  strange side show.  

This has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation.

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1 minute ago, TMSAIL said:

You make no sense.  I support the Mueller investigation.  This seems like a  strange side show.  

Don't be like Sean Hannity and go to the parking lot behind a dive bar looking for discount legal advice. Read decent advice and you'll understand why they are getting played.

Or pop a couple G&Ts and be a legend like Princess Jeff.

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Just now, Raz'r said:

This has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation.

Could of fooled me.  THe porn stars lawyer made all kinds of predictions about the effects on the president.  

He flat out said HE wanted the evidence seized.   Since when does one side of a civil fight get the aid of the FBI and federal prosecutors in obtaining a warrant that sets aside attorney client privilege?   

 

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4 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

He flat out said HE wanted the evidence seized.   Since when does one side of a civil fight get the aid of the FBI and federal prosecutors in obtaining a warrant that sets aside attorney client privilege?   

They don't you lying fuck.

the reason this looks like such a mess is a) Cohen's a D-grade law school graduate and b ) Trump's a fucking idiot.

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Just now, TMSAIL said:

Is that his name?  The guy talked like he was in charge.  I thought he was just a guest in the room along with his client. 

Funny how far we have come from Russian collusion with the election. 

What is the porn star and her lawyer all upset about.  I thought they are trying to get an NDA revoked so they can make big bucks selling the story.   I thought it was consensual sex.   She is acting like a rape victim.   I was impressed that a porn star is that good at acting 

First off, equating Stormy with a rape victim is mysogeny. Trump simply reneged on a contract. Actually, Trump both denied he was party to a contract with Stormy and had his lawyer claim Stormy was in violation of said contract by speaking about Trump. Imagine this were a contract about fixing Trump's golden shower, and Stormy was the plumber. You wouldn't be bringing in the rape analogy. And, to be fair, Trump is the one being violated by Stormy, Inc., and she's reported he got spanked once by her already, so you should get your sub/dom roles right. 

TMSAIL, don't you see that an ethical nightmare willing to call this shill his lawyer is going to be looking for every and any angle to improve his chances? Trump colluding with Russia is at least as likely as anything involving porn stars, owners of private armies (the warlord formerly known as Prince), and bankers for Russian KGB types (our Commerce Sec) that has become established fact?

Why continue to vigorously defend our president? How do you benefit, other than telling liberals their candidate lost? Is that worth selling out America's prestige to this family? 

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The way things are going, there'll be a pee tape soon.

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41 minutes ago, phillysailor said:

First off, equating Stormy with a rape victim is mysogeny. Trump simply reneged on a contract. Actually, Trump both denied he was party to a contract with Stormy and had his lawyer claim Stormy was in violation of said contract by speaking about Trump. Imagine this were a contract about fixing Trump's golden shower, and Stormy was the plumber. You wouldn't be bringing in the rape analogy. And, to be fair, Trump is the one being violated by Stormy, Inc., and she's reported he got spanked once by her already, so you should get your sub/dom roles right. 

TMSAIL, don't you see that an ethical nightmare willing to call this shill his lawyer is going to be looking for every and any angle to improve his chances? Trump colluding with Russia is at least as likely as anything involving porn stars, owners of private armies (the warlord formerly known as Prince), and bankers for Russian KGB types (our Commerce Sec) that has become established fact?

Why continue to vigorously defend our president? How do you benefit, other than telling liberals their candidate lost? Is that worth selling out America's prestige to this family? 

I wasn’t defending trump I know that is the standard mantra here  if you don’t join the circle jerk you support Trump. 

I watched this lawyer come out and act like he just won a great victory.  Did he even have a spot at the table?  Did his client?  

My understanding was this was a hearing discussing the seized items from Cohens office.  That would involve  the federal prosecutor, Cohen, his lawyer and the judge  

You talk about selling out America’s prestige while the Mueller investigation into Russian collusion turns to a porn stars lawyer on a power trip   Did you even see Ms Daniels outrage?  I was curious to what she is so outraged about   She signed the deal and now wants out to make more MONEY   

 

 

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10 minutes ago, RKoch said:

The way things are going, there'll be a pee tape soon.

When Mueller puts Trump in the witness box, our president might as well wear Depends: it couldn't make his ass look any bigger & his involuntary response is gonna be wet & warm. Hope we do get it on tape. That'll alienate 10% of the deplorables. The other 24% may just feel sorry for him and stay loyal.

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Cohen isn't doing Trump any favors. The Don better call Saul.

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24 minutes ago, RKoch said:

The way things are going, there'll be a pee tape soon.

Just to lighten things up a bit!

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54 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

This has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation.

This has "to do" with equal justice.

Charges will be brought by NY State.

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5 minutes ago, jhc said:

This has "to do" with equal justice.

Charges will be brought by NY State.

Currently, it's still in the hands of Feds. But any evidence of State crimes will be referred to NY State AG to prosecute, to firewall a Trump pardon.  The Feds are really several steps ahead of Trump and Cohen. 

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So if Hannity denies he's a client of Cohen, then there's no attny/client rule regarding his interactions with Cohen.

If he admits he's a client, he probably broke some "disclosure" rules with FOX by aggressively defending Cohen.

I'm guessing the truth WILL come out at some point.

 

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2 hours ago, TMSAIL said:

Funny how far we have come from Russian collusion with the election. 

We haven't "come from" Russian collusion. That investigation is still ongoing remember? Trump's actions (and that of those he surrounded himself with) have ADDED to that since the election. Not replaced or supplanted it.

 

2 hours ago, TMSAIL said:

What is the porn star and her lawyer all upset about.  I thought they are trying to get an NDA revoked so they can make big bucks selling the story.   I thought it was consensual sex.   She is acting like a rape victim.   I was impressed that a porn star is that good at acting 

No, she really isn't. Not even close. After someone near and close to you gets raped, you might think twice about throwing around shit like that. Then again, perhaps not. The floor on what is acceptable around here is far lower than I imagined.

Trump has defamed her. Called her a liar. She wishes to remove the legal limitation on her proving otherwise. 

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2 hours ago, TMSAIL said:

I wasn’t defending trump I know that is the standard mantra here  if you don’t join the circle jerk you support Trump. 

I watched this lawyer come out and act like he just won a great victory.  Did he even have a spot at the table?  Did his client?  

My understanding was this was a hearing discussing the seized items from Cohens office.  That would involve  the federal prosecutor, Cohen, his lawyer and the judge  

You talk about selling out America’s prestige while the Mueller investigation into Russian collusion turns to a porn stars lawyer on a power trip   Did you even see Ms Daniels outrage?  I was curious to what she is so outraged about   She signed the deal and now wants out to make more MONEY   

You and your barking mad friend and few others are the jerks with wagons in a circle around the Gropenführer, and for the life of me I cannot figure out why. 

Of course Stormy's lawyer just scored... the Feds just gave a moral and very real legal victory to Ms Stormy... there is no way she is gonna get suppressed by the NDA at this point. In fact, she might well end up testifying to a much larger audience and jury. She can ride this horse as long as she can keep the cameras focussed on her, and given her skillset and assets, she's well used to keeping men hard on her tail. 

I'd say her lawyer is loving the devoted attention and the commensurate rise in his business, his client is happy in her post courtal bliss, the papers and internet are selling soap and selling our data and only the Trumpets are bleating a flat note. Especially FOXy News, which cannot wash off the smell and stringy mess of dogfuck which has been their legal rewards over the past three years. The moral reprobates are supposed to be found amongst the liberals, and yet FOXY sagging white folds of fat are revealing angry red faced yeast infections by the names of Ailes, O'Reilly and now perhaps Hannity.

 

Popcorn. Please pass me the popcorn. 

Do you really think this is going to get better by the midterms? There are gonna be three parties in November. The GOP, the Democrats, and then a party celebrating the end of the GOP.

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2 hours ago, TMSAIL said:

Could of fooled me.

Yeah... that's not saying much.

 

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THe porn stars lawyer made all kinds of predictions about the effects on the president.

So what? Lawyers cannot make predictions now about how legal decisions of import might affect the president?

 

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He flat out said HE wanted the evidence seized.

Again, so what? Getting what you want is not the same thing as it being done because you wanted it. I want the sun to come up tomorrow. When it does, you can thank me for getting it to happen. :rolleyes: 

 

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Since when does one side of a civil fight get the aid of the FBI and federal prosecutors in obtaining a warrant that sets aside attorney client privilege?   

When the aid is incidental to upholding the law and investigating breaches of it.

Think of it this way. There are hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of people out there that wanted to see Hannity embarrassed and shamed in some fashion. Cohen did that by naming him as a client. Did Cohen do that for those people, or did he do it for his own reasons that happened to also give them what they wanted?

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This really is getting more and more like a circus. The desire to bring down Trump has reached a point where the collateral damage being done to the office he holds is of no importance. Any and everything he has done over the years will be dragged out into the open while the jackals tear him to shreds. All justified by the fact they feel he is a jerk.

What happens to the next President. Who will be prepared to run with this staring them in the face. Only those with an ego the size of Trump will be prepared to run the gauntlet that is now considered normal. 

But then again it just shows where the snowflakes get it from. We complain about them yet people are doing their best to shut Trump up because they don’t like him, justifying their actions by claiming to be protecting the very office they are dragging into the abyss. One eyed dickwads.

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7 minutes ago, Gissie said:

This really is getting more and more like a circus. The desire to bring down Trump has reached a point where the collateral damage being done to the office he holds is of no importance. Any and everything he has done over the years will be dragged out into the open while the jackals tear him to shreds. All justified by the fact they feel he is a jerk.

What happens to the next President. Who will be prepared to run with this staring them in the face. Only those with an ego the size of Trump will be prepared to run the gauntlet that is now considered normal. 

But then again it just shows where the snowflakes get it from. We complain about them yet people are doing their best to shut Trump up because they don’t like him, justifying their actions by claiming to be protecting the very office they are dragging into the abyss. One eyed dickwads.

 

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13 minutes ago, Gissie said:

This really is getting more and more like a circus. The desire to bring down Trump has reached a point where the collateral damage being done to the office he holds is of no importance. Any and everything he has done over the years will be dragged out into the open while the jackals tear him to shreds. All justified by the fact they feel he is a jerk.

What happens to the next President. Who will be prepared to run with this staring them in the face. Only those with an ego the size of Trump will be prepared to run the gauntlet that is now considered normal. 

But then again it just shows where the snowflakes get it from. We complain about them yet people are doing their best to shut Trump up because they don’t like him, justifying their actions by claiming to be protecting the very office they are dragging into the abyss. One eyed dickwads.

lol. someone butthurt about the collateral damage to bring down trump that ignores the direct damage Trump does. What a stupid fuck.

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9 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Petulant whining removed

An office in government only deserves as much respect as the office holder brings to the chair. If there is collateral damage done to an office due to a man being correctly criticised for his actions, it is him that brought damage to the role. No office is so important that the person occupying it should be free from criticism. 

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3 hours ago, RKoch said:

The way things are going, there'll be a pee tape soon.

Now that's what I call streaming video.  

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1 minute ago, Bent Sailor said:

An office in government only deserves as much respect as the office holder brings to the chair. If there is collateral damage done to an office due to a man being correctly criticised for his actions, it is him that brought damage to the role. No office is so important that the person occupying it should be free from criticism. 

Thanks for at least giving reply, unlike the others that prove they are the beginning of the snowflake gen.

I do not think anyone should be free from criticism when it is valid. Unfortunately for many they are as bad as Fox and will believe anything that proves they are right in their over the top actions. As for brining the office into disrepute, apart from being a crass asshole, what has he really done. The sky has not fallen, the economy hasn’t tanked, he hasn’t even invaded a new country which is a bit of a first for a president.

Perhaps it would be better to just ignore him. Have a laugh at him and move on. Unfortunately the mainstream press are fighting for their lives against internet driven versions. They need clicks and they need controversy to stay alive. So they feed the frenzy, throwing raw meat to the masses. Even if sometimes they need to buy the meat and pretend it is real. Pitchforks and stakes are better for their survival so that is what they supply.

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2 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Now that's what I call streaming video.  

At least we will be able to if he is drinking enough water.

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26 minutes ago, Gissie said:

Thanks for at least giving reply, unlike the others that prove they are the beginning of the snowflake gen.

The possibility exists that they saw your butt hurt rant and decided that you were a member of the snowflake generation not worth the effort. Just sayin', there exists an explanation that doesn't put you on a pedestal above everyone else. ;) 

 

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I do not think anyone should be free from criticism when it is valid. Unfortunately for many they are as bad as Fox and will believe anything that proves they are right in their over the top actions. As for brining the office into disrepute, apart from being a crass asshole, what has he really done. The sky has not fallen, the economy hasn’t tanked, he hasn’t even invaded a new country which is a bit of a first for a president.

I don't think the sky falling and economy falling into ruin are the minimal threshold for determining whether a person is bringing the office of POTUS into disrepute. Just this week he called the former director of the FBI a "slimeball". And that is far from the first petty 3am insult the man has thrown at people he doesn't like talking about him. If you don't think the man is bringing the office into disrepute by his own actions, I fail to see how you think those that oppose the man are doing any damage to the office either.

After all, the sky hasn't fallen, they haven't tanked the economy, nor are they blaming him for the cost of wars he didn't start, which is a bit of a change from those who didn't like the last president ;)

 

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Perhaps it would be better to just ignore him. Have a laugh at him and move on.

With all due respect, that is not possible. He is occupying the office of POTUS. No-one around the world can afford to ignore him. Even if he wasn't an attention-whore who puts Happy Jack and Tom Ray to shame with the levels he'll stoop to in getting a reaction, the man is a thin-skinned, petulant, impulsive brat with his tiny hands on the levers of the US executive government. He can, and does, make punitive decisions when he feels he isn't getting the attention and deference he deserves. Ignoring him only makes him act out worse.

With a spoiled brat of a child, you can ignore their antics and the worst that can happen is a few stares as you refuse to give them what they want. With a spoiled brat of a POTUS, if you ignore them, they start implementing trade wars to get what they want when they aren't ratcheting up the military tension against nations that can ruin the US economically.

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8 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:
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Perhaps it would be better to just ignore him. Have a laugh at him and move on.

With all due respect, that is not possible. He is occupying the office of POTUS. No-one around the world can afford to ignore him. Even if he wasn't an attention-whore who puts Happy Jack and Tom Ray to shame with the levels he'll stoop to in getting a reaction, the man is a thin-skinned, petulant, impulsive brat with his tiny hands on the levers of the US executive government. He can, and does, make punitive decisions when he feels he isn't getting the attention and deference he deserves. Ignoring him only makes him act out worse.

With a spoiled brat of a child, you can ignore their antics and the worst that can happen is a few stares as you refuse to give them what they want. With a spoiled brat of a POTUS, if you ignore them, they start implementing trade wars to get what they want when they aren't ratcheting up the military tension against nations that can ruin the US economically.

And more important than Trump's temper tantrums and attention grabs - his policies are genuine affecting the most vulnerable members of our society. Families are being broken up, people are literally dying as our healthcare is systematically destroyed, our standing in the world is plummeting, our parks are being sold off, the environment is being reopened for rape and pillage...the list goes on and on. You can't just ignore the noisy idiot you don't like because he's acting like an asshole when his words and actions have enormous impacts on people's lives.

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9 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

With all due respect, that is not possible. He is occupying the office of POTUS. No-one around the world can afford to ignore him. Even if he wasn't an attention-whore who puts Happy Jack and Tom Ray to shame with the levels he'll stoop to in getting a reaction, the man is a thin-skinned, petulant, impulsive brat with his tiny hands on the levers of the US executive government. He can, and does, make punitive decisions when he feels he isn't getting the attention and deference he deserves. Ignoring him only makes him act out worse.

Trump is, with his moronic, impetuous, ill considered rants unworth of a toddler after a feedbag of skittles and a quad-latte - still the president making policy with those twats tweets

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

This really is getting more and more like a circus. The desire to bring down Trump has reached a point where the collateral damage being done to the office he holds is of no importance. Any and everything he has done over the years will be dragged out into the open while the jackals tear him to shreds. All justified by the fact they feel he is a jerk.

What happens to the next President. Who will be prepared to run with this staring them in the face. Only those with an ego the size of Trump will be prepared to run the gauntlet that is now considered normal. 

But then again it just shows where the snowflakes get it from. We complain about them yet people are doing their best to shut Trump up because they don’t like him, justifying their actions by claiming to be protecting the very office they are dragging into the abyss. One eyed dickwads.

Lotta truth in that. Could be the next POTUS will have his college records questioned, hell, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they questioned his birth certificate. 

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27 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

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Did Sol just out himself? :lol: 

 

To the actual content though, you have to wonder why Cohen outed Hannity as a client. Surely there was someone else he could have named to prove he had real clients other than a FOX News host right? I mean, it makes some sense if Cohen was looking to prove that he'll name names, and Hannity was merely a sacrificial lamb to get the message out, I suppose. Outside that, I'm kind of scratching my head here. Was Cohen really just a bagman for Trump and Hannity was all he had to prove he was a real lawyer who actually gave legal advice that could be covered by privilege?

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Well, it’s either Hannity or Cohen that’s lying. Hannity is trying to say he was just a little bit pregnant, but Cohen admits he fathered the child. 

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5 hours ago, VhmSays said:

What did Hannity hire a fixer for?

Hannity claimed he never gave Cohen a dime and was never his client. That raises the question of why Cohen felt it necessary to claim he was a client, and it's probably something in the seized docs that Cohen hopes will remain under fixer attorney/client protection. Maybe something on tape. Maybe Hannity is heavily invested in Trump properties.

 

3 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

Did Sol just out himself? :lol: 

 

To the actual content though, you have to wonder why Cohen outed Hannity as a client. Surely there was someone else he could have named to prove he had real clients other than a FOX News host right? I mean, it makes some sense if Cohen was looking to prove that he'll name names, and Hannity was merely a sacrificial lamb to get the message out, I suppose. Outside that, I'm kind of scratching my head here. Was Cohen really just a bagman for Trump and Hannity was all he had to prove he was a real lawyer who actually gave legal advice that could be covered by privilege?

Stormy's lawyer says it is all but certainly some communication which is in Mueller's hands now. Something that Cohen must really really really hope remains under fixer attorney/client privilege.   

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23 minutes ago, Mark K said:

Lotta truth in that. Could be the next POTUS will have his college records questioned, hell, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they questioned his birth certificate. 

That is my problem. The shit used to be dragged out during the primaries and then the election. After that it was put to bed. Then there was the crap that Obama had to put up with during his time in office and it was bullshit and crass. Now all those that bitched about that behaviour are being even worse. But then again it is your country and you created this fuck up so deal with it as you will, but the witch hunt is making the US look as big a pile of shit as Trump is doing. I understand that actual thought about anything regarding Trump is rather verboten here so see ya all later.

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4 minutes ago, Gissie said:

That is my problem. The shit used to be dragged out during the primaries and then the election. After that it was put to bed. Then there was the crap that Obama had to put up with during his time in office and it was bullshit and crass. Now all those that bitched about that behaviour are being even worse. But then again it is your country and you created this fuck up so deal with it as you will, but the witch hunt is making the US look as big a pile of shit as Trump is doing. I understand that actual thought about anything regarding Trump is rather verboten here so see ya all later.

The main reason is we have a system that all but compels there will be two, not one more and not one less, political parties, and both of them have turned over the selection process to rank populism. Now we have a reality TeeVee POTUS. 

Sometimes shit has to happen before it get's cleaned up, and the main shit here is voter apathy, and there's a bit of chicken/egg in that. 

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15 minutes ago, Gissie said:

That is my problem. The shit used to be dragged out during the primaries and then the election. After that it was put to bed. Then there was the crap that Obama had to put up with during his time in office and it was bullshit and crass. Now all those that bitched about that behaviour are being even worse. But then again it is your country and you created this fuck up so deal with it as you will, but the witch hunt is making the US look as big a pile of shit as Trump is doing. I understand that actual thought about anything regarding Trump is rather verboten here so see ya all later.

I’m not concerned if the leader of the anti abortion party paid a playboy model abortion money.

I’m not concerned if the leader of the family values party had multiple affairs or offered women money for unprotected sex.    He’s not a blood donor,

I am concerned about laundering money for Russian oligarchs, especially when Russia agents influenced an American election, hired retired American generals and other members of the same campaign team.   I’m very concerned that the result is a racist habitually lying president sacrificing the checks and balances of what used to be a decent government.   

I also object to most of his policies I admit, and doubt his competence to achieve those areas where our goals coincidentally overlap.   However I hope I’m moral enough to object to any similarly flawed individual, even if he wasn’t for climate change.   

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11 minutes ago, Mark K said:

The main reason is we have a system that all but compels there will be two, not one more and not one less, political parties, and both of them have turned over the selection process to rank populism. Now we have a reality TeeVee POTUS. 

Sometimes shit has to happen before it get's cleaned up, and the main shit here is voter apathy, and there's a bit of chicken/egg in that. 

Maybe one unuintended benefit of Trump is the average person with a few skeletons in his closet will seem positively angelic.   This way we can select competent leadership even if they weren’t CGI generated or genetically engineered to resemble Captain America.  The moral right has determined sex with a  porn star is kind of hot.   The responsibility party thinks bankruptcy is smart and reneging on debts is cunning,   Corruption is cool.    How could anybody complain about a minor scoundrel anymore?

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1 hour ago, Gissie said:

That is my problem. The shit used to be dragged out during the primaries and then the election. After that it was put to bed. Then there was the crap that Obama had to put up with during his time in office and it was bullshit and crass. Now all those that bitched about that behaviour are being even worse

And that's where you fall down. They're not being any worse than the Republican party loyalists were about Obama. Trump hasn't got any more made up stories about him than were made up about Obama then spouted online & in the media. Trump has about the same amount of made up shit AND he has the real issues on top of that.

Think about it, you're complaining about this in a thread that is about something real which would have been laughed off by most folks here if they tried to accuse Obama of it. It is readily apparent that Trump had an affair with a porn star, that his fixer lawyer Cohen did pay her off (proving Trump could be blackmailed with it), and now POTUS is running scared of what could be found in said fixer's lawyer's records about him when searched by law enforcement.

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6 minutes ago, RKoch said:

Another Playmate has gone public. Trump liked to have sex with her while her girlfriend watched. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5614141/Playmate-says-six-month-affair-Trump-Marla-Maples-pregnant-Tiffany.html#ixzz5Ct7kdE72

Im starting to think a pee tape exists. 

The DM claim they have photo's

Normally I wouldn't give much credence to their stories.

But who's surprised? There will be more.

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That's the most bizarre thing about Trump - nothing said about him is so outlandish as to be dismissed on the face of it.

The most outrageous behaviour or remarks are completely believable unless proven false.

The normal world turned upside down.

 

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5 hours ago, Gissie said:

This really is getting more and more like a circus. The desire to bring down Trump has reached a point where the collateral damage being done to the office he holds is of no importance. Any and everything he has done over the years will be dragged out into the open while the jackals tear him to shreds. All justified by the fact they feel he is a jerk.

What happens to the next President. Who will be prepared to run with this staring them in the face. Only those with an ego the size of Trump will be prepared to run the gauntlet that is now considered normal. 

But then again it just shows where the snowflakes get it from. We complain about them yet people are doing their best to shut Trump up because they don’t like him, justifying their actions by claiming to be protecting the very office they are dragging into the abyss. One eyed dickwads.

I guess you are one of those folks who forget these are republicans investigating a republican. Oh, forgot that? Wonder why?

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2 hours ago, Gissie said:

That is my problem. The shit used to be dragged out during the primaries and then the election. After that it was put to bed. Then there was the crap that Obama had to put up with during his time in office and it was bullshit and crass. Now all those that bitched about that behaviour are being even worse. But then again it is your country and you created this fuck up so deal with it as you will, but the witch hunt is making the US look as big a pile of shit as Trump is doing. I understand that actual thought about anything regarding Trump is rather verboten here so see ya all later.

Nope. The same party that attacked Obama is attacking Trump. 

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11 hours ago, Gissie said:

Thanks for at least giving reply, unlike the others that prove they are the beginning of the snowflake gen.

I do not think anyone should be free from criticism when it is valid. Unfortunately for many they are as bad as Fox and will believe anything that proves they are right in their over the top actions. As for brining the office into disrepute, apart from being a crass asshole, what has he really done. The sky has not fallen, the economy hasn’t tanked, he hasn’t even invaded a new country which is a bit of a first for a president.

Perhaps it would be better to just ignore him. Have a laugh at him and move on. Unfortunately the mainstream press are fighting for their lives against internet driven versions. They need clicks and they need controversy to stay alive. So they feed the frenzy, throwing raw meat to the masses. Even if sometimes they need to buy the meat and pretend it is real. Pitchforks and stakes are better for their survival so that is what they supply.

What planet do you live on?

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12 hours ago, RKoch said:

Another Playmate has gone public. Trump liked to have sex with her while her girlfriend watched. That's sick. 

 

Sex with a playmate while her friend watched?

I think I'm going to vomit.:ph34r: 

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14 minutes ago, Mickey Rat said:

Sex with a playmate while her friend watched?

I think I'm going to vomit.:ph34r: 

The last 2 words you 'quoted' by me, "that's sick", I never said...they're your invention. I personally don't care how Trump gets his kink on. Apparently HE cares, thus the hush money and trying to get Comey to investigate if a pee tape exists. That does make him, president of the United States, vulnerable to blackmailers. He should just come clean... the religious right has excused all his other behavior. They don't care. Indeed, they do it themselves.

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/good-grief-cohens-gets-mobbier-the-closer-i-look 
 

In today’s podcast, we look into the background of Michael Cohen. TPM first reported last year that Cohen was actually a childhood friend of Felix Sater, whose father was himself a reputed capo in the Mogilevich organized crime syndicate, said to be Russia’s largest and most dangerous. Filling out this picture of how Cohen fell into this milieu we’ve always been focused on the fact that Cohen’s uncle, Morton Levine, owned and ran a Brooklyn social club which was a well-known meeting spot for members of Italian and Russian organized crime families in the 1970s and 1980s. (Levine, a medical doctor has never been charged with a crime.) But now it turns out there’s a bit more to this story. 

I came across this in a January AP article about Boris Nayfeld, one-time organized crime boss in Brooklyn, who now wants to go home to Russia to start a new life. Nayfeld is 70 and he just finished his latest prison sentence. The whole story is a bit low energy and a sad sack in a nonetheless menacing and predatory way. According to published reports, in the 70s and early 80s, the boss of the Russian mob in the U.S. was a man named Evsei Agron. Things ended badly for Agron when was gunned down in a mob hit in 1985. 

After Agron was assassinated, his organization was taken over by Marat Balagula. Law enforcement apparently believed Balagula was behind Agron’s killing. But he was never charged with the crime. Balagula ran things until 1991 when he was convicted of gasoline bootlegging. Nayfeld had been the bodyguard and enforcer for both Agron and Balagula, one would say more successfully in the latter case than the former. He took over the organization when Balagula went to prison. 

What I didn’t realize until now is that both Agron and his successor Balagula ran their operations out of an office in the El Caribe social club. So the El Caribe wasn’t just a mob hang out. From the 70s through the 90s at least, the bosses of the Russian mafia in the U.S. literally ran their crime organizations out of the El Caribe. 

snip 

The AP article includes another detail. According to Levine, who is apparently still alive, all his nieces and nephews owned shares of the El Caribe and still do. Levine told the AP that Michael Cohen owned his stake in the club until Donald Trump was elected President when he “gave up his stake.”

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As part of their raid, the government seized several electronic devices in the offices and residence of Mr Cohen. I get that they have specific warrants for evidence, but the possibility of treading into private or legitimately protected materials exists in spades once electronic devices are part of the search. Files are inaccurately labeled, and the "in plain view" doctrine which normally guides searches, is hard to define.

I hope the government shows restraint in how it chooses to search these electronic platforms. Each one could carry many, many rooms of file cabinets, and the power to abuse search warrants at this stage of our national drama, with the public pressure to justify their actions, is extreme. It may help set dangerous precedent, however, or be ruled inadmissible later, spoiling an important case which was otherwise sound.

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7 hours ago, Mickey Rat said:

Sex with a playmate while her friend watched?

I think I'm going to vomit.:ph34r: 

Look at the bright side. It could have been her boyfriend watching.

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1 hour ago, RKoch said:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/good-grief-cohens-gets-mobbier-the-closer-i-look 
 

In today’s podcast, we look into the background of Michael Cohen. TPM first reported last year that Cohen was actually a childhood friend of Felix Sater, whose father was himself a reputed capo in the Mogilevich organized crime syndicate, said to be Russia’s largest and most dangerous. Filling out this picture of how Cohen fell into this milieu we’ve always been focused on the fact that Cohen’s uncle, Morton Levine, owned and ran a Brooklyn social club which was a well-known meeting spot for members of Italian and Russian organized crime families in the 1970s and 1980s. (Levine, a medical doctor has never been charged with a crime.) But now it turns out there’s a bit more to this story. 

I came across this in a January AP article about Boris Nayfeld, one-time organized crime boss in Brooklyn, who now wants to go home to Russia to start a new life. Nayfeld is 70 and he just finished his latest prison sentence. The whole story is a bit low energy and a sad sack in a nonetheless menacing and predatory way. According to published reports, in the 70s and early 80s, the boss of the Russian mob in the U.S. was a man named Evsei Agron. Things ended badly for Agron when was gunned down in a mob hit in 1985. 

After Agron was assassinated, his organization was taken over by Marat Balagula. Law enforcement apparently believed Balagula was behind Agron’s killing. But he was never charged with the crime. Balagula ran things until 1991 when he was convicted of gasoline bootlegging. Nayfeld had been the bodyguard and enforcer for both Agron and Balagula, one would say more successfully in the latter case than the former. He took over the organization when Balagula went to prison. 

What I didn’t realize until now is that both Agron and his successor Balagula ran their operations out of an office in the El Caribe social club. So the El Caribe wasn’t just a mob hang out. From the 70s through the 90s at least, the bosses of the Russian mafia in the U.S. literally ran their crime organizations out of the El Caribe. 

snip 

The AP article includes another detail. According to Levine, who is apparently still alive, all his nieces and nephews owned shares of the El Caribe and still do. Levine told the AP that Michael Cohen owned his stake in the club until Donald Trump was elected President when he “gave up his stake.”

You don't become a fixer unless you have some pretty good connections.

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In AD 37 he coulda been Caligula's lawyer.......

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Trump's former attorney warns him, Cohen is gonna flip.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cohen-would-turn-against-president-if-charged-counselor-warned-trump-1524093151

Theres a paywall...sorry. The money quote:

One of President Donald Trump’s longtime legal advisers said he warned the president in a phone call Friday that Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer and close friend, would turn against the president and cooperate with federal prosecutors if faced with criminal charges. 

Mr. Trump made the call seeking advicel from Jay Goldberg, who represented Mr. Trump in the 1990s and early 2000s. Mr. Goldberg said he cautioned the president not to trust Mr. Cohen. On a scale of 100 to 1, where 100 is fully protecting the president, Mr. Cohen “isn’t even a 1,” he said he told Mr. Trump.

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1 hour ago, RKoch said:

Trump's former attorney warns him, Cohen is gonna flip.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cohen-would-turn-against-president-if-charged-counselor-warned-trump-1524093151

Theres a paywall...sorry. The money quote:

One of President Donald Trump’s longtime legal advisers said he warned the president in a phone call Friday that Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer and close friend, would turn against the president and cooperate with federal prosecutors if faced with criminal charges. 

Mr. Trump made the call seeking advicel from Jay Goldberg, who represented Mr. Trump in the 1990s and early 2000s. Mr. Goldberg said he cautioned the president not to trust Mr. Cohen. On a scale of 100 to 1, where 100 is fully protecting the president, Mr. Cohen “isn’t even a 1,” he said he told Mr. Trump.

If he doesn’t have a Russian heart attack.   Putin needs more leverage after all.  

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1 minute ago, Lark said:

If he doesn’t have a Russian heart attack.   Putin needs more leverage after all.  

He might have an unfortunately fatal fall from a basement window.

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Looks like this one is going away too

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/19/rosenstein-tells-trump-is-not-target-cohen-investigation.amp.html

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

 

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26 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

Looks like this one is going away too

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/19/rosenstein-tells-trump-is-not-target-cohen-investigation.amp.html

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

 

The great thing about the Cohen investigation is that a lot of State crimes can be pinned on him too. Trump can't pardon him on those charges. Cohen is facing doing a lot of time...he'll flip and sing like a canary to the Feds. 

You DO realize Mueller has prosecuted several organized crime cases...nailed John Gotti with life term...I'm sure he's several steps ahead of Trump and his bumbling lawyers.

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Just now, RKoch said:

The great thing about the Cohen investigation is that a lot of State crimes can be pinned on him too. Trump can't pardon him on those charges. Cohen is facing doing a lot of time...he'll flip and sing like a canary to the Feds. 

You DO realize Mueller has prosecuted several organized crime cases...nailed John Gotti with life term...I'm sure he's several steps ahead of Trump and his bumbling lawyers.

You have no idea if there are state crimes. As Sol pointed out there are rules about double jeopardy.  At this time we have federal crimes, the reason the warrant was issued nothing else. 

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51 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

You have no idea if there are state crimes. As Sol pointed out there are rules about double jeopardy.  At this time we have federal crimes, the reason the warrant was issued nothing else. 

Assuming he has dirt (which is a VERY good assumption), do you believe Cohen will remain silent and protect President Trump?

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1 hour ago, TMSAIL said:

Looks like this one is going away too

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/19/rosenstein-tells-trump-is-not-target-cohen-investigation.amp.html

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

 

Looks like you don't understand what "not a target" means and are bullshittting as always.

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"Nah, nah,relax, you're not the target of our investigation" said every single person that is investigating somebody that

can fire him.

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1 hour ago, TMSAIL said:

You have no idea if there are state crimes. As Sol pointed out there are rules about double jeopardy.  At this time we have federal crimes, the reason the warrant was issued nothing else. 

I'm continually amazed at your inside readings of what Mueller and now the SDNY have, or don't have. Quite a well connected fellow you are.

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24 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

I'm continually amazed at your inside readings of what Mueller and now the SDNY have, or don't have. Quite a well connected fellow you are.

And he remains willfully ignorant of the fact that any State crimes the Fdds uncover will be referred to the State AG. 

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3 hours ago, TMSAIL said:

Looks like this one is going away too

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/19/rosenstein-tells-trump-is-not-target-cohen-investigation.amp.html

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told President Trump last week that the president is not a target in the Michael Cohen investigation, and that the investigation is focused solely on Cohen, the president's personal attorney, a source familiar with the probe told Fox News on Thursday.

So excited he had to post it twice. Thing is, as said in the other thread he was peeing himself in excitement having this to add, the investigation as handed over to SDNY to look into is going to be piling up all the crimes Cohen committed around him like firewood whilst lamenting they don't have someone more deserving to burn at the stake... if only Cohen could give them something letting them tie someone else up in the middle of that bonfire.

Cohen was a fixer and the FBI are crawling all over his records investigating just how legit they are and how many crimes he committed in enacting them. As named sources have stated, Trump is afraid of what this means because on a scale of 1-100 in terms of loyalty in the face of life in prison - Cohen doesn't even rate a 1. If anyone thinks the assurance from Rosenstein that Trump is currently not a "target" has made old Donnie feel better about everything Cohen knows (and has on record); they really aren't paying attention.

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If Trump had nothing to worry about in the Cohen investigation, then why is he in an unhinged state of panic? Hmmm....

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30 minutes ago, RKoch said:

If Trump had nothing to worry about in the Cohen investigation, then why is he in an unhinged state of panic? Hmmm....

He seemed pretty calm to me ever since he met with Rosenstein last week I wonder why?  

The point you are missing is the FBI is not pouring through his files the judge has sealed them. The warrant allowed for select evidence not a wide scale search of his electronic media records.  That is not considered in plain sight like a bag of pot in a drug raid. 

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20 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

Comey told him he wasn’t under investigation at one point too. 

This is only as it relates to the NY Warrant.  He may very well be a target of Mueller. 

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16 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

He seemed pretty calm to me ever since he met with Rosenstein last week I wonder why?  

The point you are missing is the FBI is not pouring through his files the judge has sealed them. The warrant allowed for select evidence not a wide scale search of his electronic media records.  That is not considered in plain sight like a bag of pot in a drug raid. 

You do know he was under investigation for the last few months? His emails were being read and he may have been under surveillance? Enough evidence of "crimes" and "acts of concealment" was found to warrant the raids. All the seized materials will be combed through for evidence of crimes. 

Nothing to worry about if no crimes were committed. 

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10 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

You do know he was unde