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Where is Uncle Walter when the world needs him?

Remember when, as a journalist, he was "The most trusted man in America"?

WTF happened to degrade things to creatures like Hannity and Coulter?

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43 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Where is Uncle Walter when the world needs him?

Remember when, as a journalist, he was "The most trusted man in America"?

WTF happened to degrade things to creatures like Hannity and Coulter?

No Kidding - Mr Cronkite was so far left in his perspective that he was coming around the back to the right, but, you never heard any bias in his reporting, he was cautious, considerate and deliberate in his remarks.  Rachel Maddow may be entertaining, but, I'd rather consume information soberly.  

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

Where is Uncle Walter when the world needs him?

Remember when, as a journalist, he was "The most trusted man in America"?

WTF happened to degrade things to creatures like Hannity and Coulter?

Walter is long dead. Just like fair and even journalists on both sides.

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4 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

No Kidding - Mr Cronkite was so far left in his perspective that he was coming around the back to the right, but, you never heard any bias in his reporting, he was cautious, considerate and deliberate in his remarks.  Rachel Maddow may be entertaining, but, I'd rather consume information soberly.  

I enjoyed Maddow for about 3 or 4 shows and that was it.

Right now Jim Jeffries is the only one that holds my attention - mostly because he's so funny. He also has the best signature line ever "I think we can all do better"

Those people are opinion though, not news, editorials, not journalism - a fact that all too many people fail to grasp.

Cronkite was a true journalist - anyone with his wealth of experience deserved careful consideration of his views - unlike the shrieking scum that preside in so many cases these days.

Do you think Hannity was ever under fire while reporting on combat?

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5 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Where is Uncle Walter when the world needs him?

Remember when, as a journalist, he was "The most trusted man in America"?

WTF happened to degrade things to creatures like Hannity and Coulter?

He was not an attack journalist.

Our media is very toxic at present.  I kind of blame Don Rickles.  Everybody could be nasty among friends but making it a public profession makes it "OK".  He was outrageous the first couple of times I saw him but it was pretty dull after that.  Kind of like the French Connection UK logo that was popular in England a couple of years ago.

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attack journalist is not a journalist, they are an editorialist.

Journalism reports the facts, is does not slant them or colour them or direct them or provide alternative facts or any of the other bullshit that goes on today.

I blame Howard Stern and Geraldo - AFAICR they were the first to try to pass off opinion as news.

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3 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

attack journalist is not a journalist, they are an editorialist.

Journalism reports the facts, is does not slant them or colour them or direct them or provide alternative facts or any of the other bullshit that goes on today.

I blame Howard Stern and Geraldo - AFAICR they were the first to try to pass off opinion as news.

I miss watching the Naked News. Co-worker introduced me to it when I was working in Tucson.

Watching the presenter strip off was far more informative/useful than the crap on any other channel. In fact I never watched TV as such the entire time I worked in the USA and after a couple attempts I stopped buying newspapers as well. No wonder the bulk of the population is so ill-informed.

FKT

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Maddow used to be pretty good on her old Air America Radio show. Now she's just a corporate shill with a blue tint. She hasn't been relevant or listenable for many years. 

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Theres very little news reporting these days, it’s simply entertainment and substantial embellishment,  parading as news......

as a matter of fact it’s been that way for years ....... 

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11 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Where is Uncle Walter when the world needs him?

Remember when, as a journalist, he was "The most trusted man in America"?

WTF happened to degrade things to creatures like Hannity and Coulter?

 Ultimately...Ted Turner. Not that this was his intent, or anything. 

 

 Ted wanted to be able to watch the news anytime he wanted to. This was in  the days before the internet, we must remember. 

He created CNN. Didn't give a shit if it didn't even break even, just as long as it didn't cost too much. So far..so good. It pretty much lost money most of the time too. Yet whenever a big event hit it made oodles for as short period of time. Somehow this made it valuable in the eyes of some wealthy investors. Ted finally caved at a cool billion cash. Ted gave most of that to starving people in Africa, IIRC. 

The new owners owed money, and bigly. I believe they tried to make big bucks with journalism for awhile myself. But...after a trial period...and with apologies to "Trainspotting"...they made an considered, informed, democratic decision to self-lobotomize. There was Rupert just up the street raking it in...and CNN's investors wanted be just as happy as News Corp's were. 

Cronkite lived in that earlier time...when nobody expected news to be entertainment. Nobody expected to get rich off it....hell...not even the old big three networks ever did. They considered it a public service. They limited it appropriately to a few hours a day. And so it was journalism.

 

 

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8 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

I enjoyed Maddow for about 3 or 4 shows and that was it.

Right now Jim Jeffries is the only one that holds my attention - mostly because he's so funny. He also has the best signature line ever "I think we can all do better"

Those people are opinion though, not news, editorials, not journalism - a fact that all too many people fail to grasp.

Cronkite was a true journalist - anyone with his wealth of experience deserved careful consideration of his views - unlike the shrieking scum that preside in so many cases these days.

Do you think Hannity was ever under fire while reporting on combat?

Jeffries is one of the good guys (and funny, too), and speaking of which, I'm honestly curious what any of you brain-buggered right-wingers think of his work when he's constantly exposing your idiocy.

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6 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

Jeffries is one of the good guys.

One of the funniest Aspies I've seen. Sadly, most of them that think they're funny are more like Tom, they find something they find amusing and "some" might find clever.... and then destroy it by repeating the same line for years.

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52 minutes ago, 3to1 said:

so the Aspie thing is true?

To my knowledge, yeah. He's mentioned it a couple of times I've seen and my wife picked him out as one the first time she saw him. She unofficially specialises in working with kids on the spectrum. No uni training, but the child care centre has been using her to work with them since the second month she worked for them - she has a knack.

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18 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Remember when, as a journalist, he was "The most trusted man in America"?

Yeah, I recall that you could hear one of three people read the same basic script, which would never have stuff of interest to me like the dangers and failures of the Duopoly's drug war. What happened? Competition emerged and now we have more options.

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C.I.A. Bars Disclosure

Many senior intelligence officers at the C.I.A. acknowledge that infiltrating or manipulating organizations that distribute news here runs counter to the concept of a free press. But these officials and the C.I.A. have formally refused to make public the names of which American news agencies in the past, or currently, “cooperate” with the C.I.A., which ones allowed themselves to be used as a cover and the names of the newsmen who secretly worked for the C.I.A.

In November 1973, The Washington Star reported that about three dozen American journalists, including five full‐time correspondents, were working abroad on the C.I.A.'s payroll. According to Mr. Colby, that article, which gave no names, had resulted from a discussion he had had with the paper's editorial board in which he conceded that the agency had infiltrated news organizations. (Mr. Colby assured The New York Times that same month, in response to a question, that nobody connected with The Times was involved.)

C.I.A. officials argue that to disclose the names of individuals involved would endanger their lives, hold them up to ridicule and censure if they are still in journalism and destroy them as sources of information if they are still active in intelligence.

The agency has refused to disclose the names of the news organizations on the ground that if these names were made public the individuals could be easily identified.

In this vacuum, however, suspicion is rapidly rising. On Capitol Hill, virtually every major news organization is rumored to have been a cover for the C.I.A.

Newsmen who have risen quickly to prominence, are conservative or were once C.I.A. employees are under suspicion. Newsmen who have served in certain foreign posts are suspect because they did, and others are suspect because they did not.

Last Friday, Sam Jaffe, a former television newsman who admits he was an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said he had been told that Walter Cronkite of CBS, John Chancellor of NBC and William Sheehan, president of ABC News, were on a list of 20 to 200 journalists who were paid by the C.I.A.

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/28/archives/cia-ties-to-journalists-wide-concern-is-voiced-in-press-corps-over.html

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14 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

attack journalist is not a journalist, they are an editorialist.

Journalism reports the facts, is does not slant them or colour them or direct them or provide alternative facts or any of the other bullshit that goes on today.

I blame Howard Stern and Geraldo - AFAICR they were the first to try to pass off opinion as news.

I had the pleasure to meet Walter and his wife in a yacht club bar in Maine back in the day. Really interesting guy. 

A few months later, I was doing an Atlantic crossing and we got in some pretty serious trouble. News reports had us sunk with no word on survivors, but Walter was following our passage and knew early on that we had been rescued by a container ship. He called my mother to tell her we were safe. Mom worshiped Cronkite, she was in awe that he called her. 

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3 hours ago, Mickey Rat said:

C.I.A. Bars Disclosure

Many senior intelligence officers at the C.I.A. acknowledge that infiltrating or manipulating organizations that distribute news here runs counter to the concept of a free press. But these officials and the C.I.A. have formally refused to make public the names of which American news agencies in the past, or currently, “cooperate” with the C.I.A., which ones allowed themselves to be used as a cover and the names of the newsmen who secretly worked for the C.I.A.

In November 1973, The Washington Star reported that about three dozen American journalists, including five full‐time correspondents, were working abroad on the C.I.A.'s payroll. According to Mr. Colby, that article, which gave no names, had resulted from a discussion he had had with the paper's editorial board in which he conceded that the agency had infiltrated news organizations. (Mr. Colby assured The New York Times that same month, in response to a question, that nobody connected with The Times was involved.)

C.I.A. officials argue that to disclose the names of individuals involved would endanger their lives, hold them up to ridicule and censure if they are still in journalism and destroy them as sources of information if they are still active in intelligence.

The agency has refused to disclose the names of the news organizations on the ground that if these names were made public the individuals could be easily identified.

In this vacuum, however, suspicion is rapidly rising. On Capitol Hill, virtually every major news organization is rumored to have been a cover for the C.I.A.

Newsmen who have risen quickly to prominence, are conservative or were once C.I.A. employees are under suspicion. Newsmen who have served in certain foreign posts are suspect because they did, and others are suspect because they did not.

Last Friday, Sam Jaffe, a former television newsman who admits he was an informant for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said he had been told that Walter Cronkite of CBS, John Chancellor of NBC and William Sheehan, president of ABC News, were on a list of 20 to 200 journalists who were paid by the C.I.A.

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/28/archives/cia-ties-to-journalists-wide-concern-is-voiced-in-press-corps-over.html

You've been talking to Randumb again.

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"I have in my hand a list of 20, 250, 100, 200 journalists who were paid by the C.I.A."

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6 hours ago, Sean said:

I had the pleasure to meet Walter and his wife in a yacht club bar in Maine back in the day. Really interesting guy. 

A few months later, I was doing an Atlantic crossing and we got in some pretty serious trouble. News reports had us sunk with no word on survivors, but Walter was following our passage and knew early on that we had been rescued by a container ship. He called my mother to tell her we were safe. Mom worshiped Cronkite, she was in awe that he called her. 

No kidding?  Cool story - and glad y'all made it back OK.  
PS - you must be a LOT older than I thought you were. ;-) 

 

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52 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

No kidding?  Cool story - and glad y'all made it back OK.  
PS - you must be a LOT older than I thought you were. ;-) 

 

I have a two year old grandson. 

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On 4/11/2018 at 10:26 AM, SloopJonB said:

Where is Uncle Walter when the world needs him?

Remember when, as a journalist, he was "The most trusted man in America"?

WTF happened to degrade things to creatures like Hannity and Coulter?

500 channels.

 

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9 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Yeah, I recall that you could hear one of three people read the same basic script, which would never have stuff of interest to me like the dangers and failures of the Duopoly's drug war. What happened? Competition emerged and now we have more options.

Egg zackly.

Instead of having to listen to bad news you might not enjoy, you get to pick the news you like.

For example..... I read the brief released from the CBO report about the new budget. I saw the NY Post and a couple of other right-wing news outlets proclaiming in headlines "CBO says Trump tax cuts have already paid for themselves!" Which is directly contrary to what the CBO report actually says.

-DSK

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9 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

You've been talking to Randumb again.

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"I have in my hand a list of 20, 250, 100, 200 journalists who were paid by the C.I.A."

I didn't write that, ya fuckwit, I posted the link at the bottom of the page.  

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/01/28/archives/cia-ties-to-journalists-wide-concern-is-voiced-in-press-corps-over.html

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You post it, you own it. :P

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4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

For example..... I read the brief released from the CBO report about the new budget. I saw the NY Post and a couple of other right-wing news outlets proclaiming in headlines "CBO says Trump tax cuts have already paid for themselves!" Which is directly contrary to what the CBO report actually says.

Well, to counter the NY TImes propaganda foisted on us by Mickey Rat, here's a couple of Koch-sponsored comments on the budgetary situation for your further amusement:

http://reason.com/archives/2018/04/12/are-trillion-dollar-deficits-the-new-nor

http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/11/republicans-have-finally-been-revealed-a

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“In the long run, we are all dead”

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25 minutes ago, Raz'r said:

“In the long run, we are all dead”

Speak for yourself.

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