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RS Vision not found on RS Sailing rssailing.com - status change?

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Does anyone have an update on the future of the RS Sailing RS Vision dinghy?

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Andrew,

The Vision was discontinued a few years ago when the RS Quest came online. 

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Thats too bad that the RS Vision is discontinued.

I like this dinghy a lot.

Our club purchased 5x about 2 years ago. I guess the club knew at the time of that purchase that the Vision was out of production.

The wikipedia page for the RS VIsion does not mention that they are no longer being built.

I tried a number of Internet searches about the RS Vision being cancelled and did not turn anything reference.

Hence this post to sailing anarchy. So thanks for your response.

I have recently seen a few used Visions for sale. No mention anywhere on the Internet to advise   prospective owners that the Vision is out of print and it has no future as a class dinghy.

Was there any offical announcment, or just a quiet fade away into the night?

Thanks,

Andrew

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Did the vision ever have a future as class dinghy? I always thought it was sailing school and leisure sailing orientated. 

I'd expect most of the venture, quest, neo, quest range all to be updated every 10 years or so. If you're selling to sailing centres then they'll want a new updated model, not the same thing they bought 10 years ago. 

Obviously it's different for the boats with active class racing who need a supply of one design boats and parts. I'm sure RS could do much better designs of some of their classics, but the key selling point of these classes is that one design fleets are already established, so it wouldn't make sense for RS to disrupt that (they have made some 'upgrades' to the 200, 400, and 800 over time though). 

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A pretty good clue is on http://www.rssailing.org/, where they list their supported class associations. My guess is that if they haven't set up a CA for a type they probably don't see it as a significant class racer. 

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On April 13, 2018 at 3:30 PM, JimC said:

A pretty good clue is on http://www.rssailing.org/, where they list their supported class associations. My guess is that if they haven't set up a CA for a type they probably don't see it as a significant class racer. 

Oh dear, that would indicate an inauspicious start for the Really Fugly Twenty One aka RS21. 

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18 hours ago, EYESAILOR said:

Oh dear, that would indicate an inauspicious start for the Really Fugly Twenty One aka RS21. 

It takes a while to set up the class, not sure they've made any production boats yet, so i don't think you can read much from that... maybe your post was tongue in cheek though. 

The RS Sailing website doesn't list the RS300 or RS600 as production boats either, despite still having some class racing (and being the on class website list that JimC linked).

At least the RS Vision has a page and some stock on the RsSailingStore...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mozzy Sails said:

It takes a while to set up the class, not sure they've made any production boats yet, so i don't think you can read much from that... maybe your post was tongue in cheek though. 

The RS Sailing website doesn't list the RS300 or RS600 as production boats either, despite still having some class racing (and being the on class website list that JimC linked).

At least the RS Vision has a page and some stock on the RsSailingStore...

 

 

It looks like the RS300 and RS 600 are now manufactured by The Boatyard at Beer - not RS Sailing.

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On 4/12/2018 at 5:40 AM, jgils said:

Andrew,

The Vision was discontinued a few years ago when the RS Quest came online. 

Yep, the Quest is more stable for beginners, much more the right boat at the right time. RS has sold 1200 in two years. A lot can change in a decade, the VIsion was so 2004.

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Sorry to hear about your disappointment in the RS Vision being gone, it is a great boat, we still support the parts and will do for the foreseeable future http://www.rssailingstore.com/Catalogue/RS-Parts/RS-Vision though some parts may have a leadtime.  

In 2016, the first full year of the RS Quest we sold around 600, in the same time we sold 6 RS Visions.  We didn't intentionally let the boat fade, we were hoping to still supported it and still offered the RS Vision in 2017, we didn't sell a single boat so it just went away on it's own.  In that same time sold another 500 or so RS Quests and there are now over 300 in North America. The Quest is just newer tech and less expensive to produce, all gains for our customers.

So we let our customers vote with their feet and the choice was pretty clear.  If there was demand for a run of Visions, we'd try to get them made as long as the tool is still useable.  

That being said, We've certainly learned a lot of form and function over the last 20 years of building Rotomolded boats. The RS Quest was an opportunity to start from scratch using all that knowledge, every aspect of the boat is thought out starting with sailing design followed closely by the function of all it's features and how they can improve the sailing experience for all of our customers.  Little things like the rail being pushed out and rolled over with non skid on the bottom side, this helps shed water while sailing and makes the boat a million times easier to handle than previous boats.  

If there is something I can do to help please don't hesitate to give me a shout todd@rssailing.com 

 

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On 4/13/2018 at 5:00 AM, Mozzy Sails said:

If you're selling to sailing centres then they'll want a new updated model, not the same thing they bought 10 years ago. 

You may well be correct, but if that’s so I believe it’s pretty shortsighted thinking.

”New and improved” has long been an effective marketing slogan for detergent and similar consumables; but if a particular type of dinghy is working well for a club or sailing school then they might be well advised to stick with it rather than pursuing something different. Change is not always bad, but neither is it invariably good.

The above is not to imply that the Quest presents no advantages over the Vision, or that RS should still be making the Vision. I just object to the philosophy that ‘different is better’ or that ‘change for the sake of change’ is desirable.

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Not really just detergent and 'similar consumables'. Pretty high value long term items. 

There is literally no reason a sailing centre or school would stick with an old design if they're doing a fleet replace. 

It would be pretty shortsighted to offer your clients the same product you did ten years ago, and not expect competitors to be trying to get in on your sales with newer designs. 

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1 hour ago, Mozzy Sails said:

There is literally no reason a sailing centre or school would stick with an old design if they're doing a fleet replace. 

What dogmatic bullshit.

When replacing a fleet of tired boats, there will generally be reasons to change to a different design, and reasons to stick with the existing design (including, but not limited to, "if it's not broken, don't fix it").

One obvious reason for buying new boats of old design is if that design works well for local conditions and has a well-established OD racing presence. E.g., the Toronto community clubs continuously replace their fleets of Albacores (a design >60 years old) with new Albacores. They're not about to switch to the latest-and-greatest, flash-in-the-pan model when the existing boat meets their needs so well.

 

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