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The entry list has been published. 122 entrants. 5 Ultimes, 24 IMOCAS and 50 class 40, that should be an interesting one to follow...

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Sorry I meant to paste the list :

Ultimes

  1. Armel Le Cleac’h (Banque Populaire )
  1. François Gabart (Macif )
  2. Sébastien Josse (Maxi Edmond de Rothschild )
  3. Francis Joyon (IDEC SPORT )
  4. Thomas Coville (Sodebo Ultim)
  5. Romain Pilliard (Use It Again ! ) 

 Imoca

  1. Samantha Davies (Initiatives Coeur )
  2. Erik Nigon (Vers un monde sans sida )  
  3. Ari Huusela (Ariel 2 )
  4. Romain Attanasio (Pure - Famille Mary)
  5. Alex Thomson (Hugo Boss )
  6. Fabrice Amedeo (Newrest - Art & Fenêtres )
  7. Manuel Cousin (Groupe Setin )
  8. Jérémie (Beyou Charal )
  9. Vincent Riou (NC )
  10. Arnaud Boissières (La Mie Câline – Artipole)
  11. Paul Meilhat (SMA )
  12. Damien Seguin (Des Pieds et des Mains )
  13. NC
  14. Stéphane Le Diraison (NC )
  15. Boris Herrmann (Malizia 2 - Yacht Club de Monaco )
  16. Isabelle Joschke (Monin )
  17. Alan Roura (La Fabrique )
  18. Louis Burton (Bureau Vallée )
  19. Edouard Golbery (NC )
  20. François Guiffant (NC )
  21. Morgan Lagravière (Kairos )
  22. NC (Absolute Dreamer)
  23. Alexia Barrier (Club Corsaires 2020 )
  24. Sebastien Destremeau (NC) à definir

Multi50

  1. Thibaut Vauchel (Camus Solidaires en peloton - ARSEP )
  2. Gilles Lamiré (La French Tech Rennes St Malo)
  3. Erwan Le Roux (FenetreA - Mix Buffet )
  4. Thierry Bouchard (Ciela Village )
  5. Armel Tripon (Réauté Chocolat )
  6. Lalou Roucayrol (Arkema )

Class40

  1. Nicolas Jossier (Manorga )
  2. Michael Hennessy (Dragon )
  3. John Niewenhous (Loose fish )
  4. Emmanuel Hamez (Teranga )
  5. Jonas Gerkens (Volvo )  
  6. Miranda Merron (Campagne de France )
  7. Kito de Pavant (Made in Midi)
  8. Hiroshi Kitada (Kiho)  
  9. Arthur Le Vaillant (Leyton France)/
  10. Aymeric Chappellier (AINA Enfance & Avenir )
  11. Maxime Cauwe (AZEO - On est large )
  12. Sam Goodchild (NC )
  13. Nicolas Troussel  (Corum )
  14. Georges Guiguen (Saint Cast Le Guildo Terre Exotique)
  15. Sébastien Desquesses (Spirit of Saint Malo – Hypred)
  16. Morgane Ursault Poupon (NC )
  17. Olivier Magre (NC )
  18. Loic Fequet (Tibco)
  19. Jacques Valente
  20. Marc Lepesqueux
  21. Luke Berry (Lamotte Module Creation )
  22. Jean-Luc Schoch (Esprit Scout )
  23. Arthur Hubert (Espoir pour un rhum)  
  24. Franz Bouvet (Yoda )
  25. Louis Duc (CARAC)  
  26. Jean Galfione (Serenis Consulting )
  27. Rodolphe Sepho (Reve de Large )
  28. François Lassort (Montres Herbelin - Francois Lassort Bijoutier)
  29. Romain Rossi (Le Souffle du Nord )
  30. Sébastien Marsset (Campings Tohapi )
  31. Emmanuel Le Roch (Nautic Sport )
  32. Olivier Cardin (Région Normandie )
  33. Olivier Roussey ( Obportus - Gras Savoye )
  34. Thomas Guichard
  35. Arthur Gascoin
  36. William Mathelin Moreaux (Un rhum pour will )
  37. Robin Marais (Ma chance à moi )
  38. Cédric de Kervenoal (Grizzly Barber Shop )
  39. NC (Groupement Flo Evernex)
  40. Bertrand Delesne (www.bertrand-delesne.fr)
  41. Carl Chipotel (Pep’ Gwadeloup ! )
  42. Alberto Bona
  43. Jean Marie Loirat (Klaxoon )
  44. Maxime Sorel (V and B )
  45. Jack Trigger (Concise 8 )
  46. Jean-Baptiste Daramy (Chocolats Paris - Coriolis composites )
  47. Dominique Rivard (Marie Galante)
  48. Yoann Richomme (Objectif Vendée Globe 2020 )
  49. Arnt Bruhns (Iskareen )
  50. Phil Sharp (Imerys Clean Energy )

Rhum Mono

  1. Olivier Leroux  (Art Immobilier Construction )
  2. Bob Escoffier (Kriter V Socomore )
  3. Jean-Marie Patier (Le cigare rouge )
  4. Nicolas Magnan (Rhum4you Javelot)
  5. Dominique Dubois (Gheo )
  6. Jean-Luc Bizien (Jaglin Transports Groussard )
  7. Yann Bucaille (Boogaloo )
  8. Wilfrid Clerton (Cap au cap location )
  9. L’espace du souffle (Laurent Jubert)
  10. Andrea Mura Vento di Sardegna )
  11. Sébastien Destremau Face Ocean ) (à définir)
  12. NC (NC)
  13. Willy Bissainte (Tradition Guadeloupe )
  14. Luc Coquelin (Ecole de navigation Luc Coquelin )
  15. Christophe Souchaud (Rhum Solidaire Cap Handi )
  16. Eric Jail (Jolokia)
  17. Nils Boyer

Rhum Multi

  1. Charlie Capelle (Acapella Soreal )
  2. Fabrice Payen (Team Vent Debout )
  3. Franck Sainte Marie (Branec IV)
  4. Alain Delhumeau (Rayon Vert )
  5. Gilles Buekenhout (Jess )
  6.  Jean-Pierre Balmes
  7. Gérald Bibot (Zaid 7)
  8. Erwan Thiboumery (Spirit of Nusa Penuda )
  9. Christian Guyader (Guyader Gastronomie)
  10. Pierre Antoine (Olmix )
  11. Etienne Hochede (PIR2 )
  12. Gildas Breton (BO Carré )
  13. Yann Marilley (No Limit Yacht )
  14.  Jean-François (Lilti Ecole diagonale pour citoyens du monde )
  15. Eric Gamin (Lilade Hoc)
  16. Thierry Duprey (Friends & Lovers )
  17. Bertrand de Broc (Pampero )
  18. Pierrick Tollemer (M Pulse )
  19. Christophe Bogrand  (Sterec Aile Bleue )
  20. David Ducosson (Caseneuve Maxi Catamaran )

 

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Great. So here one of the old questions: What was „Use it Again“ before?

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17 minutes ago, ET1 said:

Great. So here one of the old questions: What was „Use it Again“ before?

Ellen MacArthurs old B&Q trimaran originally, then used by Oman sail and a couple of others I think 

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A number of fully funded Class40s on the wait list too. I wouldn't be surprised to see further additions to the already huge entry list!

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43 minutes ago, furler49 said:

A number of fully funded Class40s on the wait list too. I wouldn't be surprised to see further additions to the already huge entry list!

Two of the Class40 wait list already were promoted into spots for the race when a corresponding pair of skippers withdrew.  I am sure that there will be a few more that end up withdrawing as well, creating opportunity for the wait list.  There is no way that the actual race could be as hard as what is involved in getting to the starting line.

The race hit a low point in 1990 and 1994 with 15 boats in each of those editions, and then has steadily grown since then aided in no small part with allowing multi hulls into the race and then turbo charged with the introduction of the Class 40's in 2006.  There were 91 boats in total for the 2014 edition, and now 122 for this edition.

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1 minute ago, Rail Meat said:

Two of the Class40 wait list already were promoted into spots for the race when a corresponding pair of skippers withdrew.  I am sure that there will be a few more that end up withdrawing as well, creating opportunity for the wait list.  There is no way that the actual race could be as hard as what is involved in getting to the starting line.

The race hit a low point in 1990 and 1994 with 15 boats in each of those editions, and then has steadily grown since then aided in no small part with allowing multi hulls into the race and then turbo charged with the introduction of the Class 40's in 2006.  There were 91 boats in total for the 2014 edition, and now 122 for this edition.

An amazing increase considering how many other areas of sailing are struggling. 

There must be some lessons to be learnt for other events and classes?

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21 minutes ago, mad said:

An amazing increase considering how many other areas of sailing are struggling. 

There must be some lessons to be learnt for other events and classes?

Fast is fun?

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2 hours ago, mad said:

An amazing increase considering how many other areas of sailing are struggling. 

There must be some lessons to be learnt for other events and classes?

I think it reflects the IMOCA class becoming more significant as the 90s went on,  then Multis of various sorts.  And a continued commitment to the Rhum class (run what you brung).  That gets you to a core of about 50 boats. Then the Class40 exploded on to the scene, filling a very specific hole in offshore boats. They have been the single largest class in the race since their first edition in 2006, and grown each time. And this is the marquee race for that Class. 

So how to replicate that?  

I also think that other offshore races are doing pretty well in terms of numbers. Fastnet, Newport Bermuda, Sydney Hobart, Vendee Globe. All if those are having strong turnout in recent years. 

The one thing the French do better than anyone else is the public support behind these races. To go to the start of the RdR or the TJV or Vendee Glibe and you see an absolutely extraordinary thing. It dwarfs the interest in any race outside of France. Exponentially. And it is a strange and wonderful alchemy that is unlikely to be equaled. 

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Was in St Malo for a TJV start (I think) the last race with a big ORMA 60 fleet, the atmosphere in the basin and town was incredible. 

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I think that the fact that there are several classes help. When a class dies (like the ORMA did) there are still others to keep the race alive. Also that there are class with a budget low enough to be good value for money compared to buying an ad in the national newspaper.

16 hours ago, Rail Meat said:

 

The race hit a low point in 1990 and 1994 with 15 boats in each of those editions, and then has steadily grown since then aided in no small part with allowing multi hulls into the race and then turbo charged with the introduction of the Class 40's in 2006.  There were 91 boats in total for the 2014 edition, and now 122 for this edition.

There were more than 15 boats in 1990 and 1994, that might have been 15 multihulls. Multis have always been part of the race, I still remember being 8 years old and looking at Rosières thinking WTF!

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On ‎4‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 8:05 PM, mad said:

Was in St Malo for a TJV start (I think) the last race with a big ORMA 60 fleet, the atmosphere in the basin and town was incredible. 

The Transat Jacques Vabre has always started from Le Havre, the big city at the mouth of the Seine river, in the English channel. If it was in Saint-Malo, it was most likely a previous Route du Rhum....

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Lorient. The boat Initiatives Heart relaunched

The sailor Samantha Davies was in operation on Thursday morning in Lorient Base. Its Initiatives-Coeur was returned to the water after a long winter refit. Samantha Davies will attend his first Route du Rhum in November. The opportunity to raise again the public action of the association Cardiac Surgery for sick children.

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https://www.ouest-france.fr/bretagne/lorient-56100/lorient-le-bateau-initiatives-coeur-remis-l-eau-5708149

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On 15/04/2018 at 3:12 AM, Laurent said:

The Transat Jacques Vabre has always started from Le Havre, the big city at the mouth of the Seine river, in the English channel. If it was in Saint-Malo, it was most likely a previous Route du Rhum....

Thanks for the correction, it was the year that most of the ORMA fleet were destroyed in the first 2-3 days. 

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2 hours ago, mad said:

Thanks for the correction, it was the year that most of the ORMA fleet were destroyed in the first 2-3 days. 

That will be the 2002 route du rhum

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Fun encounter during a visit to La Rochelle. On the Vieux Port, Erik Nigon (Vers un monde sans sida ) and his team were working on his boat before relaunching yesterday.

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On ‎4‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 3:11 PM, Panoramix said:

 Imoca

  1. Samantha Davies (Initiatives Coeur )
  2. Erik Nigon (Vers un monde sans sida )  
  3. Ari Huusela (Ariel 2 )
  4. Romain Attanasio (Pure - Famille Mary)
  5. Alex Thomson (Hugo Boss )
  6. Fabrice Amedeo (Newrest - Art & Fenêtres )
  7. Manuel Cousin (Groupe Setin )
  8. Jérémie (Beyou Charal )
  9. Vincent Riou (NC )
  10. Arnaud Boissières (La Mie Câline – Artipole)
  11. Paul Meilhat (SMA )
  12. Damien Seguin (Des Pieds et des Mains )
  13. NC
  14. Stéphane Le Diraison (NC )
  15. Boris Herrmann (Malizia 2 - Yacht Club de Monaco )
  16. Isabelle Joschke (Monin )
  17. Alan Roura (La Fabrique )
  18. Louis Burton (Bureau Vallée )
  19. Edouard Golbery (NC )
  20. François Guiffant (NC )
  21. Morgan Lagravière (Kairos )
  22. NC (Absolute Dreamer)
  23. Alexia Barrier (Club Corsaires 2020 )
  24. Sebastien Destremeau (NC) à definer

Just over 5 weeks to go.  Getting particularly excited about seeing the Imocas do battle, so many boats to root for.  Hoping Sam does well and can't wait to see Beyou in a proper race on his new boat.

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Off Paris for the press conference.  Then a quick stop in Hamble to check on the boat. 

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`Watch out for the Narcos Railmeat;

 

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On 4/20/2018 at 4:41 PM, southerncross said:

Lorient. The boat Initiatives Heart relaunched

The sailor Samantha Davies was in operation on Thursday morning in Lorient Base. Its Initiatives-Coeur was returned to the water after a long winter refit. Samantha Davies will attend his first Route du Rhum in November. The opportunity to raise again the public action of the association Cardiac Surgery for sick children.

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https://www.ouest-france.fr/bretagne/lorient-56100/lorient-le-bateau-initiatives-coeur-remis-l-eau-5708149

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58 minutes ago, LeoV said:

`Watch out for the Narcos Railmeat;

 

What an awesome sponsorship.  I am happy for him. 

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2 hours ago, Rail Meat said:

What an awesome sponsorship.  I am happy for him. 

Yes as I think without it he was a no show for the start. Good timing, the 4th season of Narcos starts in Nov. Have fun RM.

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1 minute ago, eastern motors said:

Boats are male in French.

Very true, however, the post was referring to Samantha Davies:  "Samantha Davies will attend his first Route du Rhum in November."   Find "le bateau" in that sentence.  

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I do see Netflix as a media partner of the race, curious what their plans are ?

50 skippers in the C40, did I count that right ? Healthy...

Alex T in Imoca photo:

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15 minutes ago, LeoV said:

I do see Netflix as a media partner of the race, curious what their plans are ?

50 skippers in the C40, did I count that right ? Healthy...

Alex T in Imoca photo:

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If everyone makes it to the starting line, 53 Class40s and 123 boats in total. One line. One start. That should be interesting. 

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Oh, and it is a beautiful day in Paris. Plus its fashion week.   Sailors and models. What could go wrong?

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Have fun :) This my kind of model...sea visible

123 boats on the line, are they going to do a Texel style start ? Helicopter dropping smoke signal...

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Just keep an eye on your wat h. It starts promptly 2 minutes past the hour. Televised nationally, so the anchors need two minutes lead in and then go go go. 

A bit different than racing in the states.

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14 minutes ago, LeoV said:

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Have fun :) This my kind of model...sea visible

123 boats on the line, are they going to do a Texel style start ? Helicopter dropping smoke signal...

If I bump into her, I will be sure to pass along your very warmest regards. 

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50 minutes ago, LeoV said:

I do see Netflix as a media partner of the race, curious what their plans are ?

50 skippers in the C40, did I count that right ? Healthy...

Alex T in Imoca photo:

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Netflix is the new Sam Goodchild' class 40 Sponsor !

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Yeah, but what is the plan behind it, or is it just a fluke.

Startline conundrum solved;
Getting 124 boats safely away from the same startline on November 4 is not going to be easy, so the race organisers have devised a line that will stretch for two-and-a-half miles and will be divided into four parts. The Ultimes – the biggest and fastest boats - will have one section to themselves, then it will be the sector for Multi50s and Rhum Multis, then a section for IMOCAs and finally a segment for Class40s and Rhum Monohulls.

source; https://www.routedurhum.com/en/news/118

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I joined this forum 15 years ago.  I owned a C+C 3t III and I had just done my very first offshore race that year.  My ignorance dwarfed my intelligence and I was sorely lacking in the skills department

15 years later and I still feel as if I want some floaties as I swim in the deep end. And yet today, I sat on a stage with legends like Peyron, Beyou, L'Cleach, Riou, Joyon, Coville, Thompson, Gabart, Davies, Sharp and a hundred other skippers who I am in awe of. It hardly seemed real, the amount of talent and experience that was on all sides.

I have been a bit reluctant to talk to much about this race since so much can go wrong before you get even  close to the starting line, but I feel like the fanboy who got the golden ticket.  I can't wait for the next 38 days to get behind us. I can't wait to line up against these sailors. 

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Keep it up, its fun, and hit the bars, been involved in a few race (mini and Vendee) starts and have been fighting with Yves Parlier over oysters, got drunk with Isabelle Autissier, sailed with Poupon, Peyron, and seen quit a few well known names act really seamanslike (whether it being woman or man) not good to tell in public.
Most of them are really approachable, while being rock stars in France.

Really only 15 yrs from CC to a C40, nice... I was then in the Ostar circle begging for deliveries back, and done that.

Man, I should go to watch the start village, maybe I will fire up my old car and drive the 800 Km.

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I was going to say that this is Thomson's race to lose with the fasted last generation boat and most time on board, but then I looked at the names in the class.  This is going to be the most competitive solo race the non-figaro sailors in that class have ever done.  

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2 hours ago, LeoV said:

Keep it up, its fun, and hit the bars, been involved in a few race (mini and Vendee) starts and have been fighting with Yves Parlier over oysters, got drunk with Isabelle Autissier, sailed with Poupon, Peyron, and seen quit a few well known names act really seamanslike (whether it being woman or man) not good to tell in public.
Most of them are really approachable, while being rock stars in France.

Really only 15 yrs from CC to a C40, nice... I was then in the Ostar circle begging for deliveries back, and done that.

Man, I should go to watch the start village, maybe I will fire up my old car and drive the 800 Km.

If you end up showing up, make sure you hunt down me down for a meet up

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7 minutes ago, r.finn said:

I was going to say that this is Thomson's race to lose with the fasted last generation boat and most time on board, but then I looked at the names in the class.  This is going to be the most competitive solo race the non-figaro sailors in that class have ever done.  

Same with the ultimes and with the multi 50s.  In the Class40s, 15 of the skippers have a legitimate shot at the podium. 

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3 hours ago, Rail Meat said:

Same with the ultimes and with the multi 50s.  In the Class40s, 15 of the skippers have a legitimate shot at the podium. 

good luck buddy !

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9 hours ago, Rail Meat said:

If you end up showing up, make sure you hunt down me down for a meet up 

Nice, going to plan it, first days are the best, so any Dutchy or  (West) Belgian want to ride with me for the 25 oct or 26th. Needs driver license. Drive at night, breakfast in St Malo.
A day walking around, evening driving back. PB me.

Railmeat, BTW is the agenda such that all skippers are gone for a day safety training, weather talking etc.  (the 25 or 26th ?).
Could not find info at site, found your sail out time for the 4th, 3;45 or 4;45 leaving the dock, auch...
 

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Whose your money on for the Imoca's and Ultimes to win?

Hugo Boss, Charal, PRB.?

Macif, Rothchilds, BP, etc?

 

 

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9 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Whose your money on for the Imoca's and Ultimes to win?

Alex if he keeps it all together, be nice to see Sam do well. This race is so different from the Vende lap so a few surprises

Gabard in the Ultimes.

Difficult to see anyone beating Phil in the 40s

I am being very patriotic here in my choices oops.

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1 hour ago, terrafirma said:

Whose your money on for the Imoca's and Ultimes to win?

Hugo Boss, Charal, PRB.?

Macif, Rothchilds, BP, etc?

 

 

IMOCA : PRB

Multi 50 : Erwan Le roux (FenêtreA -mix)

Class 40 : hesitate with Nicolas Troussel (Corum) and Yoan Richomme (Veedol)

Ultims : MACIFFFF with king Gabart

Vintage : Charlie Capelle

 

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Forgot Rhum class - Had to go for Leroux - after all he is sailing a Pogo 12.50 - best cruising boat ever.

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IMOCA: It's hard to not pick PRB based on Riou's time on water and knowledge of the course.  Charal is hard to bet on due to it's newness.  On paper it should go to Alex on Hugo Boss-Nokia, but it's his first RdR, and he hasn't done a lot of "short" solo races that I'm aware of.  

Classe 40: Sharp, Troussel or Duc

Multi 50: Le Roux

Ultime: Gabart

Rhum Mono: Gavinet

Rhum Multi: DeBrock, Payen or Peyron just because he's Loick Peyron

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26 minutes ago, r.finn said:

IMOCA: It's hard to not pick PRB based on Riou's time on water and knowledge of the course.  Charal is hard to bet on due to it's newness.  On paper it should go to Alex on Hugo Boss-Nokia, but it's his first RdR, and he hasn't done a lot of "short" solo races that I'm aware of.  

Classe 40: Sharp, Troussel or Duc

Multi 50: Le Roux

Ultime: Gabart

Rhum Mono: Gavinet

Rhum Multi: DeBrock, Payen or Peyron just because he's Loick Peyron

HB is a big client, his sponsors have plenty of money to give. But training alone in his garden may not be the optimal solution. Last VG, he made the surprise but he has to confirm that he's a serious candidate to carry the trophy. Charal needs to be tested, RDR is a perfect test and i'm sure that Beyou will push hard the boat to find the limits but his main goal is only VG.

Class 40 : Sharp is terrible, but is he goin to resist with all the serious competitors against him ? with new boats ? Perfect test for him. Duc has made a lot of progress with his boat, and made a lot of optimization on it (1st new Lombard Design). And Troussel, what else to say ... Big competitor from figaro class, he's known in the class 40 circuit with CMB but his new boat seems to be very competitive, in addition to the sailor ahah

Mono : Gavinet is the good choice ahah : this guy has a very interesting story, and did go back to a management School in order to work again... ahah

Multi : Peyron is going to do this RDR in "Old School way", with no navigation electronic. Of course, he's a living legend, I hope he will break Birch Record

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I'm putting my money on Initiatives Coeur - Davies has had lots of training time on the boat, is a better weather router than given credit for, boat is tested and ready to go. 

 

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10 hours ago, Panoramix said:

For those who don't read the first page : http://sailinganarchy.com/2018/09/27/route-du-rip/

Maybe they need to change with the times. Many not for profit rescue groups now present a bill or wi-fi credit card machine post rescue/assistance, after they found the invitation to donate falling on deaf years. 

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There's a lot of places around the world now that don't welcome cruising yachts because of tight arse sailors that don't contribute when their ashore, or don't pay their bills, or whinge about the prices. Many of these places welcome stink boat owners.! Seems many stink boat owners possess a quality many sailors don't , Rippley's believe it or not.?

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6 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Maybe they need to change with the times. Many not for profit rescue groups now present a bill or wi-fi credit card machine post rescue/assistance, after they found the invitation to donate falling on deaf years. 

The route du Rhum turnover is in millions, it would cost them 10s of thousands if they were to pay a private company for the job the lifeboats do at the start and with just thousands they will keep the volunteers happy and the charity sustainable. That's rather short sighted from them... Local organisers of small evets make donations, why shouldn't the rich guys with big budgets partly funded from our taxes shouldn't?

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52 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

The route du Rhum turnover is in millions,

Worse than that..try more than €145 million RO turnover as a group.

https://www.groupe-telegramme.com

Télégramme Group acquired Pen Duick and in turn Pen Duick acquired a majority share in OC Sport, with the two merging.

 

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46 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Worse than that..try more than €145 million RO turnover as a group.

https://www.groupe-telegramme.com

Télégramme Group acquired Pen Duick and in turn Pen Duick acquired a majority share in OC Sport, with the two merging.

 

You are right, I was being charitable, taking into account just the turnover of the race itself!

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initiatives coeur hit a channel buoy and will be out of the water for a week. 

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Someone got a reply..! From the front page................

I am the president of OC Sport Pen Duick, the organizer of the Route du Rhum. I would like to reply to Anarchist Robert (Route de rip) who is clearly not well informed…

For the 4th time, the race organizers have signed an agreement with the SNBSM (Societe Nautique de Saint-Malo, not to be mistaken with the SNSM) and Saint-Malo city. The race organization provides the SNBSM with 15 Highfield RIBs, pay the fuel and the expenses. The pilots are volunteers (we have more requests than places available) from the SNBSM.
Then, the race organisers have another agreement with the SNSM. We provide them with 15 Highfield RIBs, pay the fuel for those RIBs and pay the SNSM for their mission in Saint-Malo. On top of that, we charter 2 medical boats with SNSM professional material and experts onboard.

We finally offer a 27m2 booth in the Race Village to the SNSM to be used to represent the association and call for donations. This can be confirmed by the local SNSM in Saint-Malo as you can imagine. So instead of shooting without knowing against the race organisers I invite your dear Anarchist Robert to get better informed and do some easy fact checkings.
I would have preferred your excellent website to be more positive about the fact that the Route du Rhum Destination Guadeloupe will have an incredible 124 skippers on the start line, almost reaching the absolute record of The OSTAR 1976 which had 125 boats.

Always at your disposal if you need more info.

Best
Hervé Favre
Co-CEO OC Sport and President of OC Sport Pen Duick

 

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It has been 40-years since Alain Colas sailing the trimaran Manureva (ex Pen Duick IV) disappeared off the Azores during the first Route du Rhum in 1978.

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MACHINE TRANSLATION

In 1978, Alain Colas participated in his last race and took the departure of Saint-Malo on November 5 for the first edition of the Rum Route.  "the Boat Works beautifully, I found the contact with Manureva... I lead it more slowly than before and I think it is grateful... Manureva and I make a good road... Hi to the whole team.  "as He passes the Azores, off Portugal, he sends his last radio message on 16 November 1978 " I'm in the eye of the Cyclone. There is no more sky; Everything is amalgam of elements, there are mountains of water around me  "while It is part of the head of the race, it is buried by a storm in will never come out... He disappears on this sad day, at the age of 35 Years. At that time, the multihulls are not unsinkable and are constructed of aluminium, which is heavier than water. Many searches will be conducted but no one will ever find the sailor or the Boat.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, QBF said:

It has been 40-years since Alain Colas sailing the trimaran Manureva (ex Pen Duick IV) disappeared off the Azores during the first Route du Rhum in 1978.

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MACHINE TRANSLATION

In 1978, Alain Colas participated in his last race and took the departure of Saint-Malo on November 5 for the first edition of the Rum Route.  "the Boat Works beautifully, I found the contact with Manureva... I lead it more slowly than before and I think it is grateful... Manureva and I make a good road... Hi to the whole team.  "as He passes the Azores, off Portugal, he sends his last radio message on 16 November 1978 " I'm in the eye of the Cyclone. There is no more sky; Everything is amalgam of elements, there are mountains of water around me  "while It is part of the head of the race, it is buried by a storm in will never come out... He disappears on this sad day, at the age of 35 Years. At that time, the multihulls are not unsinkable and are constructed of aluminium, which is heavier than water. Many searches will be conducted but no one will ever find the sailor or the Boat.

 

 

Always sad to read that,  mother nature can be extreme and his boat was not like they are today. Lets hope we don't lose any more fellow sailors for a long time. God speed to all of you.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, QBF said:

It has been 40-years since Alain Colas sailing the trimaran Manureva (ex Pen Duick IV) disappeared off the Azores during the first Route du Rhum in 1978.

He had traveled in a wide variety of boats and under wildly different circumstances maybe 130,000 miles or more, or five times around the planet, when he was lost. For some 50,000 of those miles or say two years he was alone. Contrary to many thoughts it was not a late season November Hurricane that got him but a garden variety Nth Atlantic low. 

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The boat was in fact in poor conditions (and Colas had a major injury before), "hommage song" of the time :

 

 

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58 minutes ago, yl75 said:

The boat was in fact in poor conditions (and Colas had a major injury before), "hommage song" of the time :

The list of those talented but have come to grief courtesy of running short of time and or money is long..Colas got a tune...this guy got a movie ..and best $7 you can spend with your favourite on-line content provider is my tip.

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On 10/11/2018 at 6:44 AM, terrafirma said:

Someone got a reply..! From the front page................

I am the president of OC Sport Pen Duick, the organizer of the Route du Rhum. I would like to reply to Anarchist Robert (Route de rip) who is clearly not well informed…

For the 4th time, the race organizers have signed an agreement with the SNBSM (Societe Nautique de Saint-Malo, not to be mistaken with the SNSM) and Saint-Malo city. The race organization provides the SNBSM with 15 Highfield RIBs, pay the fuel and the expenses. The pilots are volunteers (we have more requests than places available) from the SNBSM.
Then, the race organisers have another agreement with the SNSM. We provide them with 15 Highfield RIBs, pay the fuel for those RIBs and pay the SNSM for their mission in Saint-Malo. On top of that, we charter 2 medical boats with SNSM professional material and experts onboard.

We finally offer a 27m2 booth in the Race Village to the SNSM to be used to represent the association and call for donations. This can be confirmed by the local SNSM in Saint-Malo as you can imagine. So instead of shooting without knowing against the race organisers I invite your dear Anarchist Robert to get better informed and do some easy fact checkings.
I would have preferred your excellent website to be more positive about the fact that the Route du Rhum Destination Guadeloupe will have an incredible 124 skippers on the start line, almost reaching the absolute record of The OSTAR 1976 which had 125 boats.

Always at your disposal if you need more info.

Best
Hervé Favre
Co-CEO OC Sport and President of OC Sport Pen Duick

 

I might well be anarchist Robert...

I would suggest to Mr Favre to up his comprehension skills before accusing me of being badly informed!!!

He didn't reply to my allegation which was (my bold) :

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There will be more than half a dozen boats from the SNSM at the start of the route du rhum, organisers have always refused to cover their expenses and people from the SNSM think that one more time they will have to foot the bill diverting resources away from their core mission which is to save lives rather than providing free labour to ocean races organisers

It is true that the organisers charter a gazillion of RIBs but there are also actual lifeboats that have been requested to be at the start and despite several requests, the organisers have never accepted to pay for the expenses of those. I am not a member of the SNSM but I am very close to some, my sources are accurate.... I am also rather appalled to know that when I give money to my local lifeboat some of it will be used to provide free services to a private company whereas most ordinary people - some of them with reduced means - are happy to give a bit of money when they get services from them (mostly a tow). Many people also give for nothing in return, there is even a local restaurant where employees give away their tips to their lifeboat station.

OC sport Pen Duick can still do the decent thing, their turnover is in millions, a tiny portion of it would be enough to keep the lifeboats people happy!

 

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7 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

I might well be anarchist Robert...

I would suggest to Mr Favre to up his comprehension skills before accusing me of being badly informed!!!

He didn't reply to my allegation which was (my bold) :

It is true that the organisers charter a gazillion of RIBs but there are also actual lifeboats that have been requested to be at the start and despite several requests, the organisers have never accepted to pay for the expenses of those. I am not a member of the SNSM but I am very close to some, my sources are accurate.... I am also rather appalled to know that when I give money to my local lifeboat some of it will be used to provide free services to a private company whereas most ordinary people - some of them with reduced means - are happy to give a bit of money when they get services from them (mostly a tow). Many people also give for nothing in return, there is even a local restaurant where employees give away their tips to their lifeboat station.

OC sport Pen Duick can still do the decent thing, their turnover is in millions, a tiny portion of it would be enough to keep the lifeboats people happy!

 

http://stationsnsm-dunkerque.org/document/divers/Note d'information pour intervention d'assistance Version anglaise.pdf

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On 10/11/2018 at 7:01 AM, jack_sparrow said:

@Robert and the Ed might need to speed up their Walk of Shame.

 

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That's just jealousy Mr @jack_sparrow, after all those hours glued to a computer, if you were to wear a dress that would probably just reveal embarrisingly flappy bits of flesh!

I would cross St Malo in a dress on Route du Rhum departure day to raise money for the SNSM.

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Today is LEGO assembly workshop: 2000 mini Sam Davies to assemble
A unique creation sold exclusively on the Route du Rhum village - Destination Guadeloupe for the benefit of Mécénat Chirurgie Cardiaque to help SAM save sick children

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Here is a great video on the ultimate class from St Malo on November 4th

 

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what a cute kid on a Class40  :wub:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5u499Shk9g

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On 10/20/2018 at 3:45 PM, Chasm said:

What is the expected race duration for the Ultime?

With six boats in the class, two new builds (2017) and Macif refit, I imagine record pace,  less than a week.  I haven't seen predictions from people with actual tools, routing, polars and the like - anybody?  It is great that all these Ultimes have come together for this one, I look forward to seeing how the class flies on the ocean.

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At 44 knots, the dolphins no longer follow...

Good video of Gitana 17 Ultim foiling at 44 knots

https://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/route-du-rhum-destination-guadeloupe-a-44-noeuds-les-dauphins-ne-suivent-plus-23-10-2018-12113253.php

Sorry, but you'll need to click the Le Telegramme link to watch the video

https://player.myvideoplace.tv/?v=TELEGRAMME_OFF_181018-6

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28 minutes ago, QBF said:

At 44 knots, the dolphins no longer follow...

Good video of Gitana 17 Ultim foiling at 44 knots

https://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/route-du-rhum-destination-guadeloupe-a-44-noeuds-les-dauphins-ne-suivent-plus-23-10-2018-12113253.php

Sorry, but you'll need to click the Le Telegramme link to watch the video

https://player.myvideoplace.tv/?v=TELEGRAMME_OFF_181018-6

Thanks for that. Very impressive video and interesting article.

Between Macif, Banque Populaire and Gitana 17, the later one is the one we might hear the least about. Different sponsor might explain that (Gitana is basically a rich man toy, no need to get public attention). I wonder if being so quiet might not be a strategy to stay out of the spot light until D day...

A few interesting comments from the journalist: the cockpit looks like an Airbus A380 cockpit... cleats everywhere, buttons of different colors, displays with a bunch of different numbers... There are 17 hydraulic rams on board... Sebastien has a "panic button", another manual system and an automatic system to release the main sheet in case of near capsize (the automatic system is based on heeling angle and triggers between 15° and 19° heel. I do not know if the range is just to not give too much information, or if it is actually adjustable, depending on the sailing conditions).

If I understood the article well, all the boat performance data (heading, boat speed, TWA, TWS, daggerboard position, foil position, etc...) are continuously transmitted live to the shore crew.... I guess the data transmission cost is not an issue...

Another VERY revealing piece of information to my mind is that Sébastien Josse is saying that they are all "short on flight time" (no surprise there)... But the surprise (to me) is that he states that he has spent a grand FIVE DAYS sailing truly single handed on his beast, qualification time included!!!

I know that they do "simulated solo" where you have other people on board, just watching and not doing anything, but still, I thought they would have spent, prior to the race, truly single handed, more time than the expected Route du Rhum duration!!!

Another tidbit of informaiton: some of the headsails weighs 150kg, Sebastien Josse is not a "big guy" (1.71 m tall, 74 kg). Setting up some of those headsails can take 45 minutes, 40 minutes on the winch column included...)

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So a midweek is the time to beat.

If Josse said he only sailed 5 days solo, thats equal of the race time, so not to bad, lol.

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10 hours ago, Laurent said:

Thanks for that. Very impressive video and interesting article.

Between Macif, Banque Populaire and Gitana 17, the later one is the one we might hear the least about. Different sponsor might explain that (Gitana is basically a rich man toy, no need to get public attention). I wonder if being so quiet might not be a strategy to stay out of the spot light until D day...

A few interesting comments from the journalist: the cockpit looks like an Airbus A380 cockpit... cleats everywhere, buttons of different colors, displays with a bunch of different numbers... There are 17 hydraulic rams on board... Sebastien has a "panic button", another manual system and an automatic system to release the main sheet in case of near capsize (the automatic system is based on heeling angle and triggers between 15° and 19° heel. I do not know if the range is just to not give too much information, or if it is actually adjustable, depending on the sailing conditions).

If I understood the article well, all the boat performance data (heading, boat speed, TWA, TWS, daggerboard position, foil position, etc...) are continuously transmitted live to the shore crew.... I guess the data transmission cost is not an issue...

Another VERY revealing piece of information to my mind is that Sébastien Josse is saying that they are all "short on flight time" (no surprise there)... But the surprise (to me) is that he states that he has spent a grand FIVE DAYS sailing truly single handed on his beast, qualification time included!!!

I know that they do "simulated solo" where you have other people on board, just watching and not doing anything, but still, I thought they would have spent, prior to the race, truly single handed, more time than the expected Route du Rhum duration!!!

Another tidbit of informaiton: some of the headsails weighs 150kg, Sebastien Josse is not a "big guy" (1.71 m tall, 74 kg). Setting up some of those headsails can take 45 minutes, 40 minutes on the winch column included...)

Re headsails weighing 150kg.... All are furling and I believe all will live hoisted up and ready ...?

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For the first time, three "flying" multihulls will take the start of the Route du Rhum in the Queen of Ultimate category. Among them, Sébastien Josse, 43, and his maxi-trimaran "Gitana 17". We spent a whole day on this incredible machine, able to fly over the water at more than 40 knots, 75 km / h!

We met in Lorient, just next to the Cité de la Voile Eric Tabarly. This is where the Team Gitana, offshore racing team founded by Baron Benjamin de Rothschild, has just installed its new base. A structure of 2.000 m², on three floors, where between 15 and 20 people work as needed. Time to put on boots and wet weather gear, we arrive at the marina.

The maxi-trimaran, called "Gitana 17", is already ready. all we need to do is cast off, except that with a boat 32 meters long and 23 meters wide, the port maneuver is never a formality. In addition to the engine on board, two powerful RIBs are not more than needed to leave port serenely. Offshore, the weather forecast is good. Excellent even: 20-25 knots of northeast, a little sun, a flat sea ... What to go fast. Very quickly.

 

Being able to go to sleep at 40 knots

 "Come on, come here warm up. Here you go, at the pedestal", begins Sebastien Josse who wants to show us what an effort it requires to hoist a sail. We hoist the gennaker, a headsail. Four pairs of arms, that's fine. Single-handed, one can only imagine the effort required. On board, there is 650 m² of canvas available.

No sooner have we unfurled this sail the trimaran, which only needs 15 knots of wind to take off, accelerates immediately: 30 knots, then 35 and soon 40 knots. The central hull no longer touches the water, the two floats neither. Only two rudders, a foil and the centreboard are immersed. Displacement mode, we went in 3D, for a few seconds. Of course, it shakes a little. It's a hell of a lot of noise. Awesome!

Off Groix, we meet a 10-meter sailboat that sails at 8-9 knots. He seems literally stationary. We are now at 42 knots. The sea is less flat, the sky is greyer, the wind a little stronger. At the helm, well protected from the spray, Sébastien Josse, at 1.71 m and 74 kg, seems very small. This doesn't prevent him from perfectly mastering the beast however.  "Come on, we'll engage the autopilot. At more than 40 knots, one has to be able to go to sleep," he says. Sleeping on a machine launched at 75 km / h on a bumpy road, trusting an autopilot takes a good dose of confidence in electronic systems ... "The key to the Route du Rhum is there. Whoever manages to manage better his sleep at these speeds will be in front, "says Josse.

Flight Deck!

The trimaran accelerates another 42, 43 then 44 knots. The miles pass, the wake says a lot about the speed of the machine. At more than 40 knots, even dolphins do not follow anymore. We are at 42 knots, under pilot still, and it shakes more and more. We must hang on. Every move becomes an effort. Josse amuses himself. "You get used to everything". He's right, the only limit is ultimately human.

Since the multihulls have become "flying" with the advent of foils, these underwater wings that allow the boat to take off, the level of stress has risen a notch. When the 15.5-tonne maxi-trimaran flies, there is only 4 m² in the water, compared to 49.5 m² in displacement mode. Everything rests on the flying surfaces, foils, fins and T rudders.

The turbo is not in the sails but under the hulls. Except here, there is no brake pedal. Flight Deck. In April 2017, the capsizing of the flying maxi-trimaran "Banque Populaire IX" of Armel Le Cléac'h sounded a warning. Josse has it in mind: "A multihull, we know it can capsize. At the start of the Transat Jacques Vabre 2017, we almost did that twice with Thomas Rouxel. Flying or not flying, doesn't matter. You can flip upside down without flying.

Connected with the earth

Moreover, when he helms, Sébastien Josse has, at his feet, a small red button that he can activate if the boat takes too much heel. A button that can dump, so relieve the pressure in, the mainsail. There is also another manual system and also an automatic anti-capsizing system driven by heel angle. With too much heel, the system automatically dumps the sails. The "limit" angle is between 15 ° and 19 °.

For a novice, the cockpit seems as complex as that of an Airbus A 380. In addition to huge winches and miles of rope, there are cleats everywhere, buttons of all colors to control the foils, no less than 17 hydraulic cylinders, electronics everywhere, screens that display data constantly. In this regard, all information related to the performance of the boat (heading, speed, force and angle of the wind, position of the drift, foils, etc.) is visible from shore. During the transatlantic race, the Gitana Team will receive the boat data in real time. Via a telephone and a satellite link, Josse will be permanently connected to his team.

 

"We all miss flying time"

To develop a reliable a flying maxi-trimaran takes at least two years. Team Gitana has the most experience of the challengers in the art but, Sébastien Josse admits, no skipper has booked enough hours before the coming transatlantic flight: "We all miss flight tine. for me, I have only five days alone with no one on board, qualification included. We are pioneers, it will be a first. According to the Seb, the skipper who best manages his boat, flying or not, will win the Route du Rhum. "We all have the potential to win, including the old trimarans, but there are three fabulous new boats that can write history. Or not ".

We left Lorient this morning and, at noon, we are already at the island of Yeu. We could even go to dinner in Spain tonight. The miles pass without much fuss despite some jolts that remind us to hang on. In the hyper-protected cockpit, where the skipper spends 95% of his time, we are safe. Dry especially.

"There, with 20-25 knots of wind and a flat sea, it's cool, even flying at 40 knots. But when you have 30 knots of wind and three meters of sea, it is  helmet time on board. When you have to maneuver in that struggle, you are quickly burned out, "says the skipper.

Some sails weigh up to 150 kg, hoist them and unfurl them takes 45 minutes, including 40 on the pedestal. Backbreaking. Each maneuver requires considerable effort.

On Sunday, November 4 at 2 pm, Sébastien Josse will be alone on his fighter plane, flight 17 to Pointe-à-Pitre. Alone for six to seven days. Six to seven nights.

 

- Gitana 17 at a glance 
Launch year: July 2017 
Architects: Verdier Shipyard and design office Gitana 
Number of hulls: 3 
Length: 32 m 
Width: 23 m 
Height: 37 m 
Number of appendages: 6 (one daggerboard, 2 foils and 3 rudders) 
Sail area upwind: 450 m² 
Sail area downwind: 650 m² 
Weight: 15.5 tons

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The three leading Ultime Tri's.    Gabart we know is favourite. What about Armel vs Seb..?                                  

MACIF                              

 
Year of launch :
2015
Architect :
VPLP
Length :
30.6 m
SKIPPER.BOAT.TECHNICAL.WIDTH :
21.5 m
Draught :
4.5 m
Height :
33 m
Upwind sail area :
438 
Downwind sail area :
650 
Displacement :
14 t
 
BP - Armel 
 
Year of launch :
2017
Architect :
VPLP
-
Number of hulls :
3
Length :
32 m
SKIPPER.BOAT.TECHNICAL.WIDTH :
23 m
Draught :
-
Height :
38 m
Upwind sail area :
610 
Downwind sail area :
890 
Displacement :
14 t
 
Sab Jose - EDR 
Year of launch :
2017
Architect :
Verdier
 
Number of hulls :
3
Length :
32 m
 
23 m
Draught :
-
Height :
37 m
Upwind sail area :
450 
Downwind sail area :
650 
Displacement :
15 t

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13 hours ago, QBF said:

At 44 knots, the dolphins no longer follow...

Good video of Gitana 17 Ultim foiling at 44 knots

https://www.letelegramme.fr/voile/route-du-rhum-destination-guadeloupe-a-44-noeuds-les-dauphins-ne-suivent-plus-23-10-2018-12113253.php

Sorry, but you'll need to click the Le Telegramme link to watch the video

https://player.myvideoplace.tv/?v=TELEGRAMME_OFF_181018-6

The prop and shaft hanging below the main hull seen in the vid, is that for a hydro generator or does Gitana have diesel propulsion?

Thought it a bit strange either way that it's not a retractable system.

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1 hour ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

The prop and shaft hanging below the main hull seen in the vid, is that for a hydro generator or does Gitana have diesel propulsion?

Thought it a bit strange either way that it's not a retractable system.

It's diesel powered.  A rectractable prop might reduce windage a tiny bit but it wouldn't have much impact on hydrodnamic drag.  It's out of the water for the most part... :unsure:

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Another good video from Gitana Team

 

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The Ultime Class is reserved only for those that have survived the Imoca 60's and still yearn for something bigger, badder and meaner.! I can't begin to imagine sleeping at 40 Knots solo on Auto Pilot. We were given eyes for a reason.! LOL 

In all seriousness wow can't wait to see them racing at the RDM and watching the class expand. Alex Thompson must be next? ;)

 

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2 hours ago, terrafirma said:

The Ultime Class is reserved only for those that have survived the Imoca 60's and still yearn for something bigger, badder and meaner.! I can't begin to imagine sleeping at 40 Knots solo on Auto Pilot. We were given eyes for a reason.! LOL 

In all seriousness wow can't wait to see them racing at the RDM and watching the class expand. Alex Thompson must be next? ;)

 

AT can only just keep a 60 in one piece, can see him cartwheeling in a cloud of carbon fibre in one of those.

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18 hours ago, mad said:

AT can only just keep a 60 in one piece, can see him cartwheeling in a cloud of carbon fibre in one of those.

If he wins the next VG (which would be great), then I wouldn't be surprised by him getting on the Ultims, or doing something else ...

 

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Anyone know where I can watch the start online?  Currently cruising the Med, Sardinia/Sicily at the moment, so connections not the best/reliable!

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On 10/25/2018 at 12:36 PM, plugger said:

Anyone know where I can watch the start online?  Currently cruising the Med, Sardinia/Sicily at the moment, so connections not the best/reliable!

 

Best starting point will most probably be the race site :

https://www.routedurhum.com/en

 

By the way looking at the forecasts, the race should start in some quite serious weather .. (not necessarily at the very beginning, and still quite some days for some changes )

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We will be on the water for the start, but I doubt we have the technology to live feed. Maybe try live video to Facebook? Will be hard to see that much this time, as we are not allowed into the race zone, but corralled inshore.

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This vid has a good segment about foiling on Gitana 17

 

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