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25 minutes ago, npf1 said:

Meanwhile, Yann E beginning to look like a threat to the leaders in the Imoca Class.

Indeed, wouldn't be surprised if he finishes second (PRB probably has some issues with a foil)

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Sunset today in Pointe-à-Pitre, Guadeloupe at 5:32 pm (1732), in about an hour...  Gabart's 'Distance to finish' is 30.4 nm., so he'll finish after dark.  Joyon is 10.8 nm. behind.  Wind shifting slightly ENE in 2.5 hours: https://www.windy.com/?16.273,-61.040,10,m:d5Haesx

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Too bad Joyon's AIS stopped working more than two hours ago.

@semelis, it looks like Gabart approached the island further north than where the rum bottle mark is located?  Only guessing...

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The good old game of who gets stuck first. :)

The speed numbers on the tracker are almost useless neat the finish. 30 and 60 minute averages

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Hell of a race and what does Gabart do when he finally gets around the corner.

Short tacking into it with a wounded boat not a great option and starboard tack to finish with no rudder is going to hurt big time.

 

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As long as the wind is to low to fly the center hull, no such a big deal aint it ?

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Distance from Joyon to Gabart is 1/4 of the distance to finish for Gabart. But Gabart should get more wind before Joyon ...

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16 minutes ago, Chasm said:

The good old game of who gets stuck first. :)

The speed numbers on the tracker are almost useless neat the finish. 30 and 60 minute averages

The first number fluctuates too much to be an 30min average though. I think they might have changed it to a 5 min average.

Joyon has now reached the windhole, just 7.5Nm behind Gabart... but now barely moving. Seems to have turned off AIS? (To put Gabart in the dark? =))

Gabart has been stuck in the same spot for an hour now.

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3 hours ago, Rafael said:

GO TITANPa GO...  your chance moster.. spill a bit of salt on the shining (wounded) gold (!!)

Are you related to Schakel or Alinghi4ever? 

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2 hours ago, Moonduster said:

Why? Standard approach and landing. That was a 26 knot crosswind, gusting to 40. An A320 has no crosswind limitation when flown manually, it's at the pilot's discretion or perhaps the company. I have no idea why people make such a big deal about cross wind landings, they're done all the time, sheesh, even a woman can do it!

You really are a misogynistic fucking arsehole. :angry:

Apologies to everyone else here. 

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5 minutes ago, alphafb552 said:

Macif dead in the water, Idec approaching over the horizon...

That looks familiar!! Just when you think you’ve arrived, you spend hours sitting in the lee. 

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Just a BIG thank you to everyone contributing here and especially to this anarchist who are putting in the "right" direct links! Much appreciated.

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1 hour ago, Rasputin22 said:

Right about closing the shore too soon. That put Gabart right to the west of the highest peak of Basse Terre. Wind shows to be more directly out of the East that I would have imagined but he should get headed a bit by the new wind coming around from the south side of the peak. Over 1300 meter elevation, ouch!

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As I said...... been there done, done that. 

Massively frustrating on a delivery, let alone this.  

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28 minutes ago, mad said:

Are you related to Schakel or Alinghi4ever? 

Oink!... related to Vila, Moitessier, Messner, deLucia, etc. mom and dad, and of course fathers wind and sun...

PD. Spanish Jam the best... Pata Negra... oink!  8^)

A bit of spanish nylon guitar and rythm for this EPIC BATTLE camaradas..... EY AHAI EY EY IJI IJHHI !! takatakatakaTA

PD. Mad... with alegria hombre... no pun intended...cheers

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2 minutes ago, Alysun said:

How do you steer a multi with just one rudder? Or is there a rudder in the middle too? 

Yes, there is a rudder on the main hull.

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5 minutes ago, Alysun said:

How do you steer a multi with just one rudder? Or is there a rudder in the middle too? 

Three rudders 

 

5 minutes ago, Alysun said:

How do you steer a multi with just one rudder? Or is there a rudder in the middle too? 

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3 minutes ago, Alysun said:

How do you steer a multi with just one rudder? Or is there a rudder in the middle too? 

Yes, and I think there is also a board in the mainhull, on Macif

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5 minutes ago, WLIS Jibing said:

So brutal for MACIF, but would be amazing to see a late surprise from Joyon. Fantastic race so far!

Shades of the first RDR, when Michael Birch came from behind to win.

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Incredible race! What a finish. Both François and Francis would make excellent winners, with a crippled boat for the first and a slower one for the other.

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10 minutes ago, mad said:

You've chosen to ignore content by Rafael. Options 

problem solved. 

it was a joke... mad... sorry for the ofense (!)...  I thought this forum was about hard skinned mariners (wtf)

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Gabart still parked (weird?), and he has company: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:389150/zoom:17

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Route du Rhum – Destination Guadeloupe : les photos de l’arrivée, Dimanche 11 novembre 2018
https://www.macifcourseaularge.com/actus/route-rhum-destination-guadeloupe-photos-de-larrivee/

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Joyon's tracker is turned off again, last update 29 minutes ago. :(

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10 minutes ago, Hydrogene said:

Incredible race! What a finish. Both François and Francis would make excellent winners, with a crippled boat for the first and a slower one for the other.

Indeed, I would still prefer a win for Joyon though I think, Gabart has plenty of years left to get some, and keeping  the fight when you know you have a slower boat (on paper, debatable with one foil and rudder less) is really impressive, but Gabart did really well to keep the secret, maybe Joyon would have pushed even a bit more !

 

 

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Surprised Joyon sailed into the beach knowing that he has to get around the leader

and the only option has to be to go wide of the island, further towards the limit mark.

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Just now, Varan said:

Can't imagine how painful this must be for the two (very tired) leaders.

We inimaginable...And the acumulated stress with those fucking flying deadly multi platforms (!)

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3 minutes ago, oysterhead said:

Surprised Joyon sailed into the beach knowing that he has to get around the leader

and the only option has to be to go wide of the island, further towards the limit mark.

Or cut inside of him, sail less distance and maybe pick up a breeze (thermal, updraft, whatever)  

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Just now, mad said:

Is that old footage? Both the rudder and foil look in one piece. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought that 'lattes cassees' would mean 'broken battens', easily enough done on a fully battened main in an unintentional gybe.

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6 minutes ago, oysterhead said:

Surprised Joyon sailed into the beach knowing that he has to get around the leader

and the only option has to be to go wide of the island, further towards the limit mark.

There's a mark just south of them they have to leave to starboard

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3 minutes ago, mad said:

Is that old footage? Both the rudder and foil look in one piece. 

Looks like stock footage for Macif, shot before the race...

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2 minutes ago, Varan said:

Or cut inside of him, sail less distance and maybe pick up a breeze (thermal, updraft, whatever)  

Catabatic night wind from the mountain ?

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8 minutes ago, oysterhead said:

Surprised Joyon sailed into the beach knowing that he has to get around the leader

and the only option has to be to go wide of the island, further towards the limit mark.

In fact Joyon may be getting a little shore breeze very close to the coast.

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2 minutes ago, oysterhead said:

When was that video shot? There are three rudders, both foils and the centerboard... can't be from

near the finish.

Earlier - and a repeat. There are still a multitude of foils on that boat to maintain direction and control?

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Joyon must have an advantage here, with the experience from many Route de Rhum in the same class of boat.

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Just now, Varan said:

Talk about pain...

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neptune abandoned him (temporaly)

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1 minute ago, oysterhead said:

Yes, he still could have gone a lot further before heading inshore.

Yes, I don't get why both rushed to shore. Probably they know something we don't but my instinct would have been to go round.

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I'm sure there was/is some kind of shore breeze to get.

Don't forget they both have their routing/meteorologist cells behind.

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Distance to first, 2.3nm. Relative speeds 6.2 (Joyon) versus 0.9. Plus Macif headed the wrong way.  Excitement builds. Go Joyon!

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On Ouest France :

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Joyon rase la côte
Francis Joyon a réussi à s'approcher très près de la côte (moins de 500 m) où il parvient à toucher de petites bouffes de vent. François Gabart est éloigné de la côte de 1,9 milles et est collé. Un nouveau tournant !

https://www.ouest-france.fr/route-du-rhum/direct-route-du-rhum-classements-positions-et-cartographie-en-temps-reel-6048852

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The missing batten might be a real issue for Gabart, especially in the close tack South of the Island

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1 minute ago, yl75 said:

The missing batten might be a real issue for Gabart, especially in the close tack South of the Island

Yes, I start to wonder if daggerboard v/s foild (even broken) is not better in these conditions ????

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3 minutes ago, yl75 said:
 
Francis Joyon has managed to get very close to the coast (less than 500 m) where he manages to touch small gusts of wind. François Gabart is 1.9 miles away from the coast and stuck. A new turning point!

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A bit unfair for gBoy to be sincere... but who cares... Joyon deserves all... not many more years in the top wave left...

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If you can keep these boats moving, they will generate their own wind, but once you stop, then it can be very difficult to get them moving again.

Plus once they go head to wind, the big main at the back of the boat doesn't help.

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1 minute ago, Hwyl said:
 

Francis Joyon has managed to get very close to the coast (less than 500 m) where he manages to touch small gusts of wind. François Gabart is 1.9 miles away from the coast and stuck. A new turning point!

The master at work!

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7 minutes ago, ProaSailor said:

Joyon is now 2.3 nm. behind Gabart.

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Painful to see Joyon heading into the same windhole as Gabart was stuck in...

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4 minutes ago, james3232 said:

macif run out of win again.

Seems to be in control and underway, albeit slowly.

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