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12 minutes ago, jzk said:

As a libertarian, there is very little I like about police hassling anyone let alone murdering them.  If you think, however, that there is some white directive put out to police officers mandating the murder of blacks, then you are delusional.  The police have too much power.  From my experience at the public defender's office, I would say half of them become cops just so they can bust up on people.  You want to limit their power?  Where do I sign?

The drug laws are responsible for about 10,000 innocent lives each year, half of the prison population, and a whole lot of money that we spend on this "war."  Not to mention that the drug cartels are basically subsidized by our actions.  Eliminate the drug war, and all of this goes away.

Everyone should have equal access to the ballot box.  We can discuss what needs to be done in that regard.  Start a thread if you like.

^ some good sense ^

I don't think half of police officers become police so they can beat people up, but there is a certain percentage. IMHO a bigger part of the problem is that police officers get jaded (like all humans) and often fall into an "us vs them" mentality. As for the shooting problem, I believe the biggest factor there is police "defense" training which is overwhelmingly quick-draw shoot-to-kill training.... an unfortunate by-product of a country that's awash in guns so that a high percentage of the citizenry is armed in their interaction with cops, and the "us vs them" mentality.

I am not a fan of the unending War On Drugs. It is largely a waste of money. OTOH simply making anything and everything legal is certain to bring a huge number of other problems, and not make the basic problems of drug users committing crime, and drug dealers shooting lots of people, go away. In short, no simple one-sentence prescription for this disease.

There have been a bunch of threads on voting rights. It's kind of a sore point.

-DSK

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

^ some good sense ^

I don't think half of police officers become police so they can beat people up, but there is a certain percentage. IMHO a bigger part of the problem is that police officers get jaded (like all humans) and often fall into an "us vs them" mentality. As for the shooting problem, I believe the biggest factor there is police "defense" training which is overwhelmingly quick-draw shoot-to-kill training.... an unfortunate by-product of a country that's awash in guns so that a high percentage of the citizenry is armed in their interaction with cops, and the "us vs them" mentality.

I am not a fan of the unending War On Drugs. It is largely a waste of money. OTOH simply making anything and everything legal is certain to bring a huge number of other problems, and not make the basic problems of drug users committing crime, and drug dealers shooting lots of people, go away. In short, no simple one-sentence prescription for this disease.

There have been a bunch of threads on voting rights. It's kind of a sore point.

-DSK

With the war on drugs, add up the costs and benefits.  It might even affect the trigger happy police officer thing as I suspect a great deal of those incidents are drug related.  

The 10,000 lives lost yearly and the mass incarceration of mostly black people simply does not justify trying to protect a few drug addicts from themselves.  And, it seems that in countries that tried this, drug addiction has gone down.

Thanks for acknowledging the "some good sense" thing.

With regard to the cops and the public defender's office, maybe it seemed that way because those were the cops at issue.  But they sure exist.  Assholes on power trips looking to throw their weight around.   That is the problem with giving people too much power.  Most people will not abuse it.  But some will kill millions of people.

 

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:
3 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Calling every white person alive a white supremacist merely because we lack melanin is counter-productive and hugely destructive.....     ...     ...

OTOH attacking straw men can be very productive, or at least, satisfying if you got nothing else.

Are you disputing that this says exactly that????

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"You are racist because you were born and bred in a racist, white supremacist society," she writes. "White Supremacy is, as I've said earlier, insidious by design. The racism required to uphold White Supremacy is woven into every area of our lives. There is no way you can inherit white privilege from birth, learn racist white supremacy history in schools, consume racist and white supremacist movies and films, work in a racist and white supremacist workforce, and vote for racist and white supremacist governments and not be racist."

I read that again, and I didn't see anywhere in that passage that seemed to make exceptions for SOME white folk that might not be racist.  I'm happy for you to point out where that might be, because I don't see it.

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4 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Are you disputing that this says exactly that????

I read that again, and I didn't see anywhere in that passage that seemed to make exceptions for SOME white folk that might not be racist.  I'm happy for you to point out where that might be, because I don't see it.

One might argue that it even makes her a racist.

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2 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

But it's not about hurt feelings, it's about a systemic effect that skews the whole game against a large group of people because of the color of their skin. As someone who is white, was raised white, and has never questioned anything about the culture and messages you are steeped in, you're part of the problem whether you like it or not, until you make a conscious effort to not be part of the problem. Racism and it's effects aren't all about burning crosses and lynching people.

 

What makes you think I haven't made a conscious effort to not be part of the problem?  And what have YOU done, specifically, to not be part of the problem?

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

You mean, like, if "the government" in the form of police officers would stop shooting them?

-DSK

Also, when discussing problems, we should quantify them.

How many blacks are shot by police officers each year? 

Note that quantifying the problem doesn't mean that it is not a problem.  But do blacks have to worry about being killed by police like they have to worry about being struck by lighting?  Dying from aspirin?  

I submit that the governmental changes that I advocate will benefit the black community far more and much more quickly than those changes being advocated by Oluo.

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1 hour ago, jzk said:

Another governmental barrier is licensing and regulation.

Why should anyone be required to get a license to braid hair?  

or straightening and dying their hair blond for that matter. 

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46 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

What makes you think I haven't made a conscious effort to not be part of the problem? 

Maybe because every time racism comes up in some unsavory incident you try to make it not about race?

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10 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

How about a Book Club then, if all y'all can't be bothered to watch a two hour movie?

While it seems Jeff's attention span is somewhere between 560 characters (two tweets) and a list of titles more than three articles long, but maybe someone else wants to read something a little more intense and talk about it?

My suggestion would be "So You Want to Talk About Race?" by IlJeoma Oluo.

From a review:

http://www.chicagonow.com/litzyditz/2018/02/so-you-want-to-talk-about-race-when-a-book-calls-you-out/

Who's in? It's $15.99 on Kindle, but your library might have it.

No, I haven't read it or bought it yet.

I recommended a book back in post 741. 

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2 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

What makes you think I haven't made a conscious effort to not be part of the problem?  And what have YOU done, specifically, to not be part of the problem?

He did move outside the environment

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Again, all this conversation is grand, really. It's high-fallutin and intellectual as all hell. Dig?

Meanwhile, as a racist with both white guilt and privilege, I just wanna know what can be done to change the status quo.

Solutions?

Everything else is the PA echo chamber. 

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4 hours ago, jzk said:

As a libertarian,

A libertarian is someone who demands good highways but doesn't want to pay for them.

You exhibit everything the women said in the video, but you think that's a good thing.

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7 minutes ago, Blue Crab said:

Again, all this conversation is grand, really. It's high-fallutin and intellectual as all hell. Dig?

Meanwhile, as a racist with both white guilt and privilege, I just wanna know what can be done to change the status quo.

Solutions?

Everything else is the PA echo chamber. 

For a start, cunts like you should be reminded of exactly what you are, but that's just for fun, because I think the American system is rotten to the core, broken and cannot be revived.

America and many other colonised countries were founded on slavery, it made them what they are and that cannot be undone without undoing most everything.  Cops killing unarmed black people is just the visible end of it.  But then there are the other non-white minorities who cop variations of the same theme.  But if you really want to see clear racism, try to talk to a white American about Native Indians in western USA.   Faaaaaarkin hell!

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3 minutes ago, random said:

For a start, cunts like you should be reminded of exactly what you are, but that's just for fun, because I think the American system is rotten to the core, broken and cannot be revived.

America and many other colonised countries were founded on slavery, it made them what they are and that cannot be undone without undoing most everything.  Cops killing unarmed black people is just the visible end of it.  But then there are the other non-white minorities who cop variations of the same theme.  But if you really want to see clear racism, try to talk to a white American about Native Indians in western USA.   Faaaaaarkin hell!

That’s beyond the height of irony coming from a Pusstralian who lives in a country built on the broken backs of their aboriginals and who imprisions immigrants in concentration camps on nearby islands. 

Rocks, glass houses. 

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16 minutes ago, random said:

A libertarian is someone who demands good highways but doesn't want to pay for them.

You exhibit everything the women said in the video, but you think that's a good thing.

What libertarian advocates free roads?  I think you have libertarian and socialist confused. 

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Why are we continuously guilt tripping,hand wringing, talking about American blacks....browns are eating their collective lunches and renting them their houses back....if ya know what I mean Vern....the American way still works for those willing to bust their ass !...

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55 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

Why are we continuously guilt tripping,hand wringing, talking about American blacks....browns are eating their collective lunches and renting them their houses back....if ya know what I mean Vern....the American way still works for those willing to bust their ass !...

It's fucked, completely fucked.

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees SNAP, counted almost 43.6 million people in the program in April 2016, the most recent data available."

Those who "bust their ass" are reliant on slaves to make their profit.  The system can't work without them, slaves who have to work for sometimes no wages, then have to beg  for money from customers.  Those lucky enough to get paid don't get enough to live on.  Those running the businesses are seen as heroes for "busting their ass".  How fucked is that?

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

That’s beyond the height of irony coming from a Pusstralian who lives in a country built on the broken backs of their aboriginals and who imprisions immigrants in concentration camps on nearby islands. 

Rocks, glass houses. 

Link me where I said I agreed with Australian government policies.

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1 minute ago, random said:

It's fucked, completely fucked.

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees SNAP, counted almost 43.6 million people in the program in April 2016, the most recent data available."

Those who "bust their ass" are reliant on slaves to make their profit.  The system can't work without them, slaves who have to work for sometimes no wages, then have to beg  for money from customers.  Those lucky enough to get paid don't get enough to live on.  Those running the businesses are seen as heroes for "busting their ass".  How fucked is that?

No...the slaves can make it out with hard work....I worked 2003 -2016 for a company owned by a tighter than tight Swedish man...the 150 employee company had 21 different national flags flying at the average Christmas party...they all came from failed socialist economies....did I say he was a Swed ?....the owner/Swed is a 100 'xs millionaire today...the company started in the early 80's...passed out checks on Fridays in the early days and asked if you can hold off on cashing it until week that would be good...fast forward 2015...a legal Mexican, everyone is legal that works, did some weekend end side yard work for me....he spoke very basic 
English...but busted his ass...working every hour and side job available...two years ago at age 35 he paid off his first home and had bought his second....yes they were modest homes...but they were his...go get it !

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2 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

No...the slaves can make it out with hard work....I

Slave dependent people trot out those stories to defend their dependency.

Not every person on the bones of their arse is lazy, the system needs slaves to make the economy work.  Ask the Mexican what his quality of life has been like.  How many jobs and hours did he have to work because the slave wages aren't enough to live on?

While people are 'busting their ass" to make ends meet ... who is getting rich?  That's why company owners perpetuate this fiction.

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Random. You are a dumb shit. You've visited America, and have it all figured out. You, Sir, are a dipshit. And a conspiracy nut. And a pusstralian.

 

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1 hour ago, Blue Crab said:

Random. You are a dumb shit. You've visited America, and have it all figured out. You, Sir, are a dipshit. And a conspiracy nut. And a pusstralian.

 

Imagine, the rich guy sitting at the top of the pile counting his money as it rolls in, encourages the slaves below by telling them that all they have to do to be rich like him is to work harder!

YCMTSU!

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9 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

What makes you think I haven't made a conscious effort to not be part of the problem?  And what have YOU done, specifically, to not be part of the problem?

The words coming off your keyboard, that is what makes me think you've not taken any effort. The thoughts and ideas you elucidate and the things you say. You still make black dialect jokes and think you are being funny, FFS. You did it yesterday. These things make it highly unlikely you've done a damned thing to clean out your own head trash.

What I am doing is trying to learn more to be a decent ally. I'm voting against politicians that ignore our at risk populations and giving money to those that are paying attention and dialed in.

Not being physically in America I've very few instances for direct action, as I do not do things like hire people or work in an office or spend time in public areas in the states. I am aware of this.

And I also avoid making racist jokes in internet forums. Go join Twitter and try some of your Amos & Andy routine and see how black folks take it.

 

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9 hours ago, Clove Hitch said:
10 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

What makes you think I haven't made a conscious effort to not be part of the problem? 

Maybe because every time racism comes up in some unsavory incident you try to make it not about race?

This^^.

So much of what Jeff says sounds like every problematic white person trying to solve the "race problem" by pretending it really isn't a problem.

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40 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

The words coming off your keyboard, that is what makes me think you've not taken any effort. The thoughts and ideas you elucidate and the things you say. You still make black dialect jokes and think you are being funny, FFS. You did it yesterday. These things make it highly unlikely you've done a damned thing to clean out your own head trash.

What I am doing is trying to learn more to be a decent ally. I'm voting against politicians that ignore our at risk populations and giving money to those that are paying attention and dialed in.

Not being physically in America I've very few instances for direct action, as I do not do things like hire people or work in an office or spend time in public areas in the states. I am aware of this.

And I also avoid making racist jokes in internet forums. Go join Twitter and try some of your Amos & Andy routine and see how black folks take it.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

How then is that endemic racism?  If anything, it actually supports MY point that it is a function of the situation more than the skin color.  If the majority of blacks police encounter daily tend to turn out to be criminals and often threats, then its not a stretch to then play the odds that the black folk you encounter are criminals and threats.  Chicken or egg?  Can a black cop even BE racist towards other blacks?  

I agree.  And Again, that bolsters my point.  Of course whites adopted the same violent methodology when they have to such as the 30s.  And interestingly, I doubt Elliot Ness was spending much time cracking negro heads back in the 1920s when he was trying to break up Al Capone's gang given it was white gangsters doing all the thugging back then.  Did that make the white cops racist when they were arresting predominantly white mobsters back then?  

 

You are a glutton for punishment.  Its like saying Beetlejuice 3x.  Keep that shit up and we are all going to give you a bar of soap & sock party in your sleep.

 I don't see any big disagreement, except between our respective dictionary's definitions of the word "endemic". 

 Soap beating? Careful now...

 

 

  

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7 hours ago, random said:
8 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

That’s beyond the height of irony coming from a Pusstralian who lives in a country built on the broken backs of their aboriginals and who imprisions immigrants in concentration camps on nearby islands. 

Rocks, glass houses. 

Link me where I said I agreed with Australian government policies.

Link me to where I said I agreed with US Gov't policies.  Cunt

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2 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Link me to where I said I agreed with US Gov't policies.  Cunt

I don't have to link anything, every post you make proves my point.  You are the worst kind of racist, al least the white supremacists are honest about it. 

You are lying to yourself.

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On 5/14/2018 at 4:18 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

I've read as much as I need to.  Its a book obviously geared to stoke the white guilt crowds.  No thanks.  Sorry, I'm not racist simply because I was born white, any more than a black man is inferior because he was born black.  If this is the black "strategy" for addressing the racial divide, they have already failed before they even got out of the blocks.  This is a non-starter.  Try a different tack.  There is literally no way I can do anything about my so called white privilege short of giving away all my worldly possessions and moving into a row house in inner city Baltimore.  Not only is that not going to happen, but it wouldn't accomplish anything even if I did and I would likely end up dead within a week because the boyz probably don't want whitey living in the hood with them anyway.  

That row house in inner city Baltimore is now $500K in some neighborhoods like Fells Point. 

 

On 5/14/2018 at 5:34 AM, B.J. Porter said:

Yes, because you know EXACTLY what the book is going to say. This makes you a willful idiot. Yes, I DO have scorn for willful idiots - it's why I ignore fools like Saorsa because they have nothing to say that isn't idiotic and they aren't capable of listening.

Maybe try watching the video I linked, where the author speaks to a group of employees at Google about the book? It's not what you think.

My scorn for you is that you are smug and full of shit on the topic, you think you know everything there is to know about it, and you think your discussions and ideas on here are somehow meaningful. You think any black people that talk about race are whining and blaming white people for their own problems. You can't be bothered to read or explore a single black voice without having it spoon fed for you, instead you dismiss it with pablum crap you've been brought up your whole life to hear from other white people. You don't want to listen to a single voice or option that says anything but "the problem is black people's to solve, and their plight after this long is their own problem."

It has fuck-all to do with my life choices - at least I am willing to pick up a book or try to listen to something other than what white people have been telling me the problems with race are all about all my life. You, you revel in your "knowledge" and choose to remain willfully ignorant and snide, while making racist jokes and demanding, no insisting, you aren't in the least bit racist.

Based upon the excerpt you quoted, how would you expect someone to interpret the author's intent? 

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8 hours ago, random said:

I don't have to link anything, every post you make proves my point.  You are the worst kind of racist, al least the white supremacists are honest about it. 

You are lying to yourself.

Everyone is a racist.  It is the new religion.  The new original white sin.

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21 hours ago, Clove Hitch said:

Maybe because every time racism comes up in some unsavory incident you try to make it not about race?

What benefit do you see in trying to make everything about race to the exclusion of other factors?   

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Just now, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

What benefit do you see in trying to make everything about race to the exclusion of other factors?   

I don't try to make everything about race.  

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1 minute ago, Clove Hitch said:

I don't try to make everything about race.  

In this conversation, that's the intent I took away.  Where did you mention the other things that impact the plight of the black people you want to help? 

Not picking nits - but, I think Jeff was right when he said that trying to distill everything down to racism isn't going to do much to help fix it.   Becoming aware of implicit bias?  Intentionally avoiding behaviors that might cause unintended harm?  Yeah - all good, and basic civility, IMHO.   The other side is that stipulating that race doesn't cause behavior, is that it doesn't excuse it either.  

 

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22 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

In this conversation, that's the intent I took away.  Where did you mention the other things that impact the plight of the black people you want to help? 

Not picking nits - but, I think Jeff was right when he said that trying to distill everything down to racism isn't going to do much to help fix it.   Becoming aware of implicit bias?  Intentionally avoiding behaviors that might cause unintended harm?  Yeah - all good, and basic civility, IMHO.   The other side is that stipulating that race doesn't cause behavior, is that it doesn't excuse it either.  

 

When I was in law school, I got to know Jesse Jr quite a bit.  Went out to lunch with him and his wife, etc. and he even took me to the RC field to show me his hobby as he was getting into RC airplanes.  He was a nice enough guy and everything, but he made everything about race.  Every day was a new story about his oppression.  Each case in property law had some tie to race.  He made it to about half the classes, but somehow had no problem graduating.  At the end of the day, he was all about himself, and I can't think of a single thing that he ever did that actually helped his community.  One day he told us a story about how Reagan was Anti-semetic because he put a wreath on the grave of a known Nazi, Oskar Schindler.  If only he spent half his energy promoting how to actually be successful instead of how to be a victim.

Oluo seems very similar.  What is she really doing to help black people?  She had to work 50% harder than everyone else to be successful?  Welcome to the real world.  She should be promoting that rather than acting like it is some hardship.  She might have to groom her hair differently from how it naturally grows out of her head?  Those standards apply to everyone.  Grizzly adams is not going to get a job as an American Airlines pilot any time soon.  She is sharp and articulate, but it seems that she is promoting herself more than anything else.  Not that there is any crime in that.  But it is what it is.

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3 hours ago, jzk said:

When I was in law school, I got to know Jesse Jr quite a bit.  Went out to lunch with him and his wife, etc. and he even took me to the RC field to show me his hobby as he was getting into RC airplanes.  He was a nice enough guy and everything, but he made everything about race.  Every day was a new story about his oppression.  Each case in property law had some tie to race.  He made it to about half the classes, but somehow had no problem graduating.  At the end of the day, he was all about himself, and I can't think of a single thing that he ever did that actually helped his community.  One day he told us a story about how Reagan was Anti-semetic because he put a wreath on the grave of a known Nazi, Oskar Schindler.  If only he spent half his energy promoting how to actually be successful instead of how to be a victim.

Oluo seems very similar.  What is she really doing to help black people?  She had to work 50% harder than everyone else to be successful?  Welcome to the real world.  She should be promoting that rather than acting like it is some hardship.  She might have to groom her hair differently from how it naturally grows out of her head?  Those standards apply to everyone.  Grizzly adams is not going to get a job as an American Airlines pilot any time soon.  She is sharp and articulate, but it seems that she is promoting herself more than anything else.  Not that there is any crime in that.  But it is what it is.

 

It looks very much like Jesse Jr -is- successful on any reasonable scale. The fact that you want to sneer at him is just proof that you really are a bigot.

Same for Oluo. She is engaging in self-promotion and seeking of profit, which you speak very highly of when done by people with non-black skin. You're just a fucking hypocrit..... and a bigot. You can't stand to see black people succeed

-DSK

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

It looks very much like Jesse Jr -is- successful on any reasonable scale. The fact that you want to sneer at him is just proof that you really are a bigot.

Same for Oluo. She is engaging in self-promotion and seeking of profit, which you speak very highly of when done by people with non-black skin. You're just a fucking hypocrit..... and a bigot. You can't stand to see black people succeed

-DSK

You are a fucking liar.  You really are.  I have no problem with them self promoting themselves and profiting.  Let's just call it what it is.   Jesse did end up a convicted felon who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  I guess he took self promotion one step too far.

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5 minutes ago, jzk said:

You are a fucking liar.  You really are.  I have no problem with them self promoting themselves and profiting.  Let's just call it what it is.   Jesse did end up a convicted felon who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.  I guess he took self promotion one step too far.

Well what are you criticizing them for?

You clearly disapprove, in a thread discussing relations between blacks and whites. Do you think that only white people are supposed to make money? By saying that Jesse Jr got caught, are you saying that all blacks are dishonest?

And let me clear up something else..... a "liar" is somebody who deliberately tells falsehoods; I am just telling you things that you don't want to hear. There's a big difference.

-DSK

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3 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well what are you criticizing them for?

You clearly disapprove, in a thread discussing relations between blacks and whites. Do you think that only white people are supposed to make money? By saying that Jesse Jr got caught, are you saying that all blacks are dishonest?

And let me clear up something else..... a "liar" is somebody who deliberately tells falsehoods; I am just telling you things that you don't want to hear. There's a big difference.

-DSK

Liar.  I stated very clearly that there was nothing wrong with their self promotion.  I still get to critique their views and whether they really help the black community. 

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40 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

It looks very much like Jesse Jr -is- successful on any reasonable scale. The fact that you want to sneer at him is just proof that you really are a bigot.

Same for Oluo. She is engaging in self-promotion and seeking of profit, which you speak very highly of when done by people with non-black skin. You're just a fucking hypocrit..... and a bigot. You can't stand to see black people succeed

-DSK

What's hypocritical is the idea that Jesse Jr was doing and saying what they did for reasons beyond self-promotion and profit.  I think that we could say that he (and Al Sharpton, and those who promote race-baiting as a cause celebre) are the race-warrior equivalent of televangelists.   A good message - but, the intent of most isn't saving souls, it's making $$ and hyping themselves. 

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11 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

What's hypocritical is the idea that Jesse Jr was doing and saying what they did for reasons beyond self-promotion and profit.  I think that we could say that he (and Al Sharpton, and those who promote race-baiting as a cause celebre) are the race-warrior equivalent of televangelists.   A good message - but, the intent of most isn't saving souls, it's making $$ and hyping themselves. 

Oh, I get that, and on the level that they are claiming to be do-gooders, they are hypocrits..... agreed.

However you're coming from a very different place than JZK: he's often said that economic freedom is important, yet he's criticising them for being successful on terms he doesn't criticise in others. Denying economic freedom to blacks makes him both a hypocrit and a bigot, QED

We've been around this bend before. Generally pointing out hypocrisy makes hypocrits mad.

-DSK

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6 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Oh, I get that, and on the level that they are claiming to be do-gooders, they are hypocrits..... agreed.

However you're coming from a very different place than JZK: he's often said that economic freedom is important, yet he's criticising them for being successful on terms he doesn't criticise in others. Denying economic freedom to blacks makes him both a hypocrit and a bigot, QED

We've been around this bend before. Generally pointing out hypocrisy makes hypocrits mad.

-DSK

I don't think my interpretation of his comments indicates that he supports "denying economic freedom to blacks".   I took his comments w/r/t JJJr to mean that JJJr didn't seem to put in the same degree of effort in Law School that other students did, and yet he graduated - and post graduation used the racism bullhorn as a means of  self promotion, and that he saw similarities to the author Oluo's behavior.    I didn't find the hypocrisy that you did.  

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4 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I don't think my interpretation of his comments indicates that he supports "denying economic freedom to blacks".   I took his comments w/r/t JJJr to mean that JJJr didn't seem to put in the same degree of effort in Law School that other students did, and yet he graduated - and post graduation used the racism bullhorn as a means of  self promotion, and that he saw similarities to the author Oluo's behavior.    I didn't find the hypocrisy that you did.  

Oh, so you object to them calling white people racists, as a means of self promotion?

Why?

JZK has often proclaimed that profit is good, activities that provide profit are by definition beneficial, etc etc. So what is wrong with this from his point of view?

If you're not racist, it doesn't apply to you; so what's wrong with it from your point of view?

-DSK

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15 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Oh, I get that, and on the level that they are claiming to be do-gooders, they are hypocrits..... agreed.

However you're coming from a very different place than JZK: he's often said that economic freedom is important, yet he's criticising them for being successful on terms he doesn't criticise in others. Denying economic freedom to blacks makes him both a hypocrit and a bigot, QED

We've been around this bend before. Generally pointing out hypocrisy makes hypocrits mad.

-DSK

I criticize them, not for making money, but rather for teaching people to be victims when, instead, they could be teaching them to be winners.  

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

Oh, so you object to them calling white people racists, as a means of self promotion?

Why?

JZK has often proclaimed that profit is good, activities that provide profit are by definition beneficial, etc etc. So what is wrong with this from his point of view?

If you're not racist, it doesn't apply to you; so what's wrong with it from your point of view?

-DSK

Because I think that when the interest is self-promotion and profit, that clarifying the target of the claims of racism becomes a non-consideration, and that anyone that they can smear with the broad brush is good, accurate or not. 

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6 hours ago, jzk said:

Everyone is a racist.  It is the new religion.  The new original white sin.

But some, like Jeff and you, are more racist than others.  As I said, at least the white supremacists are honest about it.

People like you two cannot be honest with yourselves.

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7 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

 

That row house in inner city Baltimore is now $500K in some neighborhoods like Fells Point. 

 

Based upon the excerpt you quoted, how would you expect someone to interpret the author's intent? 

Was that excerpt presented in a vacuum?

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

It looks very much like Jesse Jr -is- successful on any reasonable scale. The fact that you want to sneer at him is just proof that you really are a bigot.

Same for Oluo. She is engaging in self-promotion and seeking of profit, which you speak very highly of when done by people with non-black skin. You're just a fucking hypocrit..... and a bigot. You can't stand to see black people succeed

-DSK

Well, he went to prison so...Triple J was above the law in his mind.

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4 hours ago, jzk said:

I criticize them, not for making money, but rather for teaching people to be victims when, instead, they could be teaching them to be winners.  

If they're making money, they -ARE- winners by -your- definition

If you change the rules specifically for the disadvantage of black people, which is what you're doing, then you are being racist.

4 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
4 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Oh, so you object to them calling white people racists, as a means of self promotion?

...     ...     ...

If you're not racist, it doesn't apply to you; so what's wrong with it from your point of view?

...    ...    ...

Because I think that when the interest is self-promotion and profit, that clarifying the target of the claims of racism becomes a non-consideration, and that anyone that they can smear with the broad brush is good, accurate or not. 

Doesn't bother me a bit. No more than JZK getting all mad and calling me a liar.

In the post-truth, post-race era, it's just advertising. You're not buying the product, you're not being damaged in any way. Exact same thing as people whose church you don't go to, hollering that you're a sinner and doomed to HELL!!!

Not worth the time wasted listening to it.

-DSK

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On 5/14/2018 at 1:18 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

I've read as much as I need to.  Its a book obviously geared to stoke the white guilt crowds.  No thanks.  Sorry, I'm not racist simply because I was born white, any more than a black man is inferior because he was born black.  If this is the black "strategy" for addressing the racial divide, they have already failed before they even got out of the blocks.  This is a non-starter.  Try a different tack.  There is literally no way I can do anything about my so called white privilege short of giving away all my worldly possessions and moving into a row house in inner city Baltimore.  Not only is that not going to happen, but it wouldn't accomplish anything even if I did and I would likely end up dead within a week because the boyz probably don't want whitey living in the hood with them anyway.  

I did that Jeff (meaning go to the inner cities). It didn't do me any harm. But it made me aware of the effects of latent racism, and aware of weak rationalizations.

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

If they're making money, they -ARE- winners by -your- definition

If you change the rules specifically for the disadvantage of black people, which is what you're doing, then you are being racist.

Doesn't bother me a bit. No more than JZK getting all mad and calling me a liar.

In the post-truth, post-race era, it's just advertising. You're not buying the product, you're not being damaged in any way. Exact same thing as people whose church you don't go to, hollering that you're a sinner and doomed to HELL!!!

Not worth the time wasted listening to it.

-DSK

You really must be lacking some serious parts of your brain.  You hate rich people because you think they only got rich by making someone else poor.  I want everyone to be rich.  In a free society, every one can be rich.  The richer black people become, the better for me.  The richer white people become, the better for me.  I don't lose at the expense of someone else being rich.  I hear the Jackson family made good coin from their Budweiser distributorships.  Good for them.  

But I still get to criticize them for teaching people to be victims rather than teaching people to be winners.  That has nothing to do with whether I want them to make money or not.  You are a liar because I never said anything like that.  In fact, I said clearly that there is nothing wrong with them self promoting themselves.  But we get to call it what it is.

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On the way home from sailing today I listened to a women speaking in Germany about how Trump  got elected.  Said it was a total backlash against a black President and the 'lefts' failure to recognise that that was going to happen.

Pretty much what I thought all along, how the racist part of most white Americans was simmering quietly for 8 years, then not wanting a women the tell them what to do either!

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4 hours ago, random said:

On the way home from sailing today I listened to a women speaking in Germany about how Trump  got elected.  Said it was a total backlash against a black President and the 'lefts' failure to recognise that that was going to happen.

Pretty much what I thought all along, how the racist part of most white Americans was simmering quietly for 8 years, then not wanting a women the tell them what to do either!

You know, Randumb, the American President does not tell Americans what to do.

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21 minutes ago, jzk said:

You know, Randumb, the American President does not tell Americans what to do.

Neither do Germans.

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4 hours ago, random said:

On the way home from sailing today I listened to a women speaking in Germany about how Trump  got elected.  Said it was a total backlash against a black President and the 'lefts' failure to recognise that that was going to happen.

Pretty much what I thought all along, how the racist part of most white Americans was simmering quietly for 8 years, then not wanting a women the tell them what to do either!

A big part of why trump was elected is this attitude right here. Regardless of why someone opposed Obama, even if it was 100% policy related, he/she was called racist. To the left it was the only possible reason. They were so myopic to what was going on they could see no other reason. After a while people start to dislike being called terrible names and they will go against the people calling them those names. Toss in Hillary's dislikable personality and her name calling of republican voters...

Instead of trying to figure out why Trump was elected the Dems would be better served trying to figure out why Hillary wasn't. Some introspection might be beneficial. 

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10 minutes ago, chinabald said:

A big part of why trump was elected is this attitude right here. Regardless of why someone opposed Obama, even if it was 100% policy related, he/she was called racist. To the left it was the only possible reason. They were so myopic to what was going on they could see no other reason. After a while people start to dislike being called terrible names and they will go against the people calling them those names. Toss in Hillary's dislikable personality and her name calling of republican voters...

Instead of trying to figure out why Trump was elected the Dems would be better served trying to figure out why Hillary wasn't. Some introspection might be beneficial. 

Had a strikingly similar conversation with a friend who voted for President Trump.  His rationale was that, for those very reasons, he was forced to vote for President Trump.

It wasn't his fault and he bears no responsibility.

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23 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Um....., yeah.  Sure.

The proof of that is that the poor in the US are already rich by historical standards.  Free up society a little more, and the more rich they will be.

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8 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

Had a strikingly similar conversation with a friend who voted for President Trump.  His rationale was that, for those very reasons, he was forced to vote for President Trump.

It wasn't his fault and he bears no responsibility.

Well the Dems certainly won't take any responsibility for their losing the election. No responsibility at all. 

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My WAG is that another black could have carried the day v. Hillary. The Dims done fucked up pretty bigly trying to get "the most qualified candidate" elected because it was her turn, so to speak.

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
15 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Was that excerpt presented in a vacuum?

I dunno BJ - it certainly didn't make me want to read anything beyond what you posted. 

It was NOT presented in a vacuum.

It was presented with context quotes from a review of the book, with a link to the full review that further elaborated on the context.

The reviewer was basically like "Holy fuck, I can't believe you said that about me" when she read that paragraph too. Then she read the actual book and realized that the author had a point. The point mainly being that the entirety of American society and culture is so framed against whiteness that white people on the whole have no idea that they their actions actually support the systematic racism inherent in the system. So most people, even the most well intentioned, woke, and socially aware, are still intentionally doing black people harm without realizing it.

What she wrote makes white people uncomfortable; that is intentional. We should be uncomfortable on this topic. Talking about race, in general, is pretty riskless for white people. What can happen to us? Some mean black person calls us a racist? Black people talking about race on the other hand face a lot of personal and social risks. From loss of jobs and professional credibility because people will say they are "unprofessional" or "whining about race", to loss and alienation of friends they value (in spite of said friends unconscious racism and cluelessness about such), plus any number of other possible outcomes that white people will not face. And most of all from a low risk perspective, white people, if they don't wish to talk about race...basically lose nothing.

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On 5/14/2018 at 6:18 PM, Shootist Jeff said:

I've read as much as I need to.  Its a book obviously geared to stoke the white guilt crowds.  No thanks.  Sorry, I'm not racist simply because I was born white, any more than a black man is inferior because he was born black.  If this is the black "strategy" for addressing the racial divide, they have already failed before they even got out of the blocks.  This is a non-starter.  Try a different tack.  There is literally no way I can do anything about my so called white privilege short of giving away all my worldly possessions and moving into a row house in inner city Baltimore.  Not only is that not going to happen, but it wouldn't accomplish anything even if I did and I would likely end up dead within a week because the boyz probably don't want whitey living in the hood with them anyway.  

You say you aren't racist. You say you speak out against racism when you see it. Then you say shit like this, which is racist as fuck.

Which Jeff are we to believe? They one that "doesn't see race" (that's a white people trop BTW, and pretty much bullshit), the one who "confronts racism when he sees it", or the one that repeatedly posts unintentionally racist shit?

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2 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

It was NOT presented in a vacuum.

It was presented with context quotes from a review of the book, with a link to the full review that further elaborated on the context.

The reviewer was basically like "Holy fuck, I can't believe you said that about me" when she read that paragraph too. Then she read the actual book and realized that the author had a point. The point mainly being that the entirety of American society and culture is so framed against whiteness that white people on the whole have no idea that they their actions actually support the systematic racism inherent in the system. So most people, even the most well intentioned, woke, and socially aware, are still intentionally doing black people harm without realizing it.

What she wrote makes white people uncomfortable; that is intentional. We should be uncomfortable on this topic. Talking about race, in general, is pretty riskless for white people. What can happen to us? Some mean black person calls us a racist? Black people talking about race on the other hand face a lot of personal and social risks. From loss of jobs and professional credibility because people will say they are "unprofessional" or "whining about race", to loss and alienation of friends they value (in spite of said friends unconscious racism and cluelessness about such), plus any number of other possible outcomes that white people will not face. And most of all from a low risk perspective, white people, if they don't wish to talk about race...basically lose nothing.

What harm are the well intentioned white people doing?

(Besides their bullshit programs designed to "help" them like minimum wage, the entire public school system the war on drugs and the welfare state).

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48 minutes ago, chinabald said:

Well the Dems certainly won't take any responsibility for their losing the election. No responsibility at all. 

As long as you see "the Dems" as a monolithic entity, you'll never see anything but what you want to see.

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7 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

It was NOT presented in a vacuum.

It was presented with context quotes from a review of the book, with a link to the full review that further elaborated on the context.

The reviewer was basically like "Holy fuck, I can't believe you said that about me" when she read that paragraph too. Then she read the actual book and realized that the author had a point. The point mainly being that the entirety of American society and culture is so framed against whiteness that white people on the whole have no idea that they their actions actually support the systematic racism inherent in the system. So most people, even the most well intentioned, woke, and socially aware, are still intentionally doing black people harm without realizing it.

What she wrote makes white people uncomfortable; that is intentional. We should be uncomfortable on this topic. Talking about race, in general, is pretty riskless for white people. What can happen to us? Some mean black person calls us a racist? Black people talking about race on the other hand face a lot of personal and social risks. From loss of jobs and professional credibility because people will say they are "unprofessional" or "whining about race", to loss and alienation of friends they value (in spite of said friends unconscious racism and cluelessness about such), plus any number of other possible outcomes that white people will not face. And most of all from a low risk perspective, white people, if they don't wish to talk about race...basically lose nothing.

If you had included THAT explanation with or instead of the excerpt you did?  I would have been motivated to read more.   Now that you have, I actually will - 

To the bolded part?  you must not have much experience working in government/government contracting - as even the suggestion that someone was insensitive to a protected class of individual is a career killer.   Your suggestion that white people don't face those outcomes is simply wrong. 

<soapbox mode>

Open discussions are always good - vilification absent intent?  I see that as a manifestation of a victim mentality - and IMHO, THAT is what we ought to be addressing if we want to progress race relations and improve conditions for everyone. 

Telling people that they can do anything they want, if they do what's necessary to achieve those goals?  Admirable and encouraging.  Telling people that "You'll only be OK if So and So stops doing this and that"?  Is a crippling, limiting discouraging message.   Pointing out that some people won't like you because you're "this"?  Valid.  Telling those people that "This" isn't a good reason to treat someone different?  Again good.    Telling people that don't like something that someone did, but can't say that because of "this"?  Not good. 

The point of this is that it seems that many are quick to try to assign racial bias as a basis for someone's disapproval of something, as a means to discredit the person who disapproves.  That is harmful, intellectually lazy, and IMHO wrong in most cases.  Why would you discredit the person, rather than the reasons the person holds as the basis for their opinion?   

I honestly think that the motivation for most discrimination, is fear and ignorance, rather than abject hate.  Trying to understand that, and interacting with people in an attempt to overcome that fear and ignorance rather than trying to vilify them for thinking differently is an approach I'd like to see more folks try. 

</soapbox mode>

 

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15 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

As long as you see "the Dems" as a monolithic entity, you'll never see anything but what you want to see.

Because the left is willing to see the differences among the republicans?

Sorry, we are all treated as racist white guys, women who betrayed Hillary and black uncle toms. 

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On 5/15/2018 at 6:06 AM, B.J. Porter said:
On 5/14/2018 at 8:45 PM, Clove Hitch said:

Maybe because every time racism comes up in some unsavory incident you try to make it not about race?

This^^.

So much of what Jeff says sounds like every problematic white person trying to solve the "race problem" by pretending it really isn't a problem.

Not this! 

Where have I ever once fucking said it isn't a problem????  I just disagree strongly that the way we are approaching the problem is counter-productive to actually solving it.  Jesus BJ, I expect the others to be useless sycophants, but not you too.

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19 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

And let me clear up something else..... a "liar" is somebody who deliberately tells falsehoods; I am just telling you things that you don't want to hear. There's a big difference.

Actually, I think "liar" is probably pretty apt here for what you did when you said to jizzk:  

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You can't stand to see black people succeed

I got nothing like that from his post in the slightest.  He was correctly calling out people who succeed by promoting the victimhood of others.  That you could turn that into "you can't stand to see black people succeed" pretty much makes you a liar.  At best, it makes you a shitty mid-reader.  

I think you misunderstand most of us whitys..... I WANT black folk to succeed, desperately!  Because the sooner they succeed, the sooner they can stop bitching and blaming me and other white folk for why they are not succeeding.  The sooner we can get to our color-blind, post-racial utopia - the better off we will ALL be.  I just get the distinct impression few in the activist black community actually want that and few in the liberal "white guilt" camp want that either.  Because the entire guilt and blame industry would dry up and there's reputation$ and $tatu$ to be made there.  

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2 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

The point mainly being that the entirety of American society and culture is so framed against whiteness that white people on the whole have no idea that they their actions actually support the systematic racism inherent in the system. So most people, even the most well intentioned, woke, and socially aware, are still intentionally doing black people harm without realizing it.

I'm curious BJ, can you give me some examples of how white people support the systemic racism inherent in the system??  How exactly are we doing harm to blacks without realizing it, despite being well intentioned?  Please be specific.  

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Beyond that, successful blacks are happy to fit in and assimilate, at least to my eyes, while the younger folk are not. Nor do I see much effort for the rich to help the poor.

Nor do I think the Oscars should be handed out by color percentage.

No place offers more opportunity than America. Opportunity knocks once at birth for all Americans. After that it's on you.

 

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2 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I'm curious BJ, can you give me some examples of how white people support the systemic racism inherent in the system??  How exactly are we doing harm to blacks without realizing it, despite being well intentioned?  Please be specific.  

Free rides on his boat and an opportunity to steer. 

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2 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

You say you aren't racist. You say you speak out against racism when you see it. Then you say shit like this, which is racist as fuck.

Which Jeff are we to believe? They one that "doesn't see race" (that's a white people trop BTW, and pretty much bullshit), the one who "confronts racism when he sees it", or the one that repeatedly posts unintentionally racist shit?

It wasn't "unintentional racist shit".  It was reality.  Right or wrong, I would be as much in danger moving into a drug riddled gang hood in South Chicago as a black man might be moving next door to a white supremacist compound in Idaho.   It doesn't make me racist for pointing out reality.  

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

As long as you see "the Dems" as a monolithic entity, you'll never see anything but what you want to see.

I'm curious, do you see Republicans as a monolithic entity?

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2 hours ago, chinabald said:
2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

As long as you see "the Dems" as a monolithic entity, you'll never see anything but what you want to see.

Because the left is willing to see the differences among the republicans?

Sorry, we are all treated as racist white guys, women who betrayed Hillary and black uncle toms. 

Right....because there's way more than 3 kinds of Republicans....... there's the racist white guys, the women who betrayed Hillary, and the black Uncle Toms, and then there's also the gun-waving nut-jobs, the abortion clinic bombers, the folk who inherited enough millions that they're not really sure how many houses they own, and the Episcopalians.

-DSK

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1 minute ago, Shootist Jeff said:
2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

As long as you see "the Dems" as a monolithic entity, you'll never see anything but what you want to see.

I'm curious, do you see Republicans as a monolithic entity?

 

Monolithic entity? Really? :D:D:D

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6 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Right....because there's way more than 3 kinds of Republicans....... there's the racist white guys, the women who betrayed Hillary, and the black Uncle Toms, and then there's also the gun-waving nut-jobs, the abortion clinic bombers, the folk who inherited enough millions that they're not really sure how many houses they own, and the Episcopalians.

-DSK

And right here, ladies and gentlemen of the jury.... is evadents of steam fryer's unraveling.  

Disregard everything he says after "Bonjour".

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7 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Had a strikingly similar conversation with a friend who voted for President Trump.  His rationale was that, for those very reasons, he was forced to vote for President Trump.

It wasn't his fault and he bears no responsibility. 

Hillary is over here for a writer's festival in Sydney,  She of course does a lot of interviews connected with that.  In one of them with thte ABC she said that Bill rang around before the election to some old buddies in the "Ozsarks?" who came back to him after discsussion with their mates and said that they were not voting for Hillary.  They were not voting for someone who was going to take their guns and make them go to gay weddings. 

So she had warnings and they are in her book.

But the speech I heard centred around the "color-blindness" of the left, thinking that race was no-longer an issue, when in fact as the video BJ posted explains, it never went away and got a lot worse when Obama was elected.  The race thing combined with other economic issues made normally left voters vote for Trump, while lying about that the pollsters before and after voting.

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3 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Right....because there's way more than 3 kinds of Republicans....... there's the racist white guys, the women who betrayed Hillary, and the black Uncle Toms, and then there's also the gun-waving nut-jobs, the abortion clinic bombers, the folk who inherited enough millions that they're not really sure how many houses they own, and the Episcopalians.

-DSK

But all of those kinds still tell the slaves that if they worked hard enough they could be rich like them. 

"So work harder you trash!  Oh that's goooood, I can see the money piling up!"

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6 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

If you had included THAT explanation with or instead of the excerpt you did?  I would have been motivated to read more.   Now that you have, I actually will - 

To the bolded part?  you must not have much experience working in government/government contracting - as even the suggestion that someone was insensitive to a protected class of individual is a career killer.   Your suggestion that white people don't face those outcomes is simply wrong. 

<soapbox mode>

Open discussions are always good - vilification absent intent?  I see that as a manifestation of a victim mentality - and IMHO, THAT is what we ought to be addressing if we want to progress race relations and improve conditions for everyone. 

Telling people that they can do anything they want, if they do what's necessary to achieve those goals?  Admirable and encouraging.  Telling people that "You'll only be OK if So and So stops doing this and that"?  Is a crippling, limiting discouraging message.   Pointing out that some people won't like you because you're "this"?  Valid.  Telling those people that "This" isn't a good reason to treat someone different?  Again good.    Telling people that don't like something that someone did, but can't say that because of "this"?  Not good. 

The point of this is that it seems that many are quick to try to assign racial bias as a basis for someone's disapproval of something, as a means to discredit the person who disapproves.  That is harmful, intellectually lazy, and IMHO wrong in most cases.  Why would you discredit the person, rather than the reasons the person holds as the basis for their opinion?   

I honestly think that the motivation for most discrimination, is fear and ignorance, rather than abject hate.  Trying to understand that, and interacting with people in an attempt to overcome that fear and ignorance rather than trying to vilify them for thinking differently is an approach I'd like to see more folks try. 

</soapbox mode>

 

As mentioned, when I provided the quote from the book, it was taken from a review of the book. I provided context from the review around the book quote, and a link to the review.

You all read the book quote and lost your shit...

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4 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:
7 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

The point mainly being that the entirety of American society and culture is so framed against whiteness that white people on the whole have no idea that they their actions actually support the systematic racism inherent in the system. So most people, even the most well intentioned, woke, and socially aware, are still intentionally doing black people harm without realizing it.

I'm curious BJ, can you give me some examples of how white people support the systemic racism inherent in the system??  How exactly are we doing harm to blacks without realizing it, despite being well intentioned?  Please be specific.  

Have you actually read a single thing I've written in this thread, or are you comprehension challenged? You've been given many examples that you've already pooh-poohed. That video that I linked that I don't believe you've watched (or you wouldn't make this superfluous demand for information you've already been given) will give you several more.

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Maybe Jeff could find a way to make this not about race:

Boston--

     Average White household worth           =  $ 247,540

      Average US black household worth     = $  8    (eight. . . as in 8 dollars)

 

Ya, nothing about race in those stats.

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The $8 detail in the Globe’s Spotlight series on race in Boston is not a typo.

The median net worth for non-immigrant African-American households in the Greater Boston region is $8, according to “The Color of Wealth in Boston,” a 2015 report by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, Duke University, and the New School.

This Spotlight seven-part series — which began Sunday — tackles the city’s most vexing question: Does Boston deserve its racist reputation?

And to answer just that question, the Globe Spotlight Team analyzed data, launched surveys, and conducted hundreds of interviews. The Color of Wealth in Boston report, which is part of a five-city study looking at wealth disparities among communities of color, was one piece of information that Spotlight examined.

Here are the whys and hows of the study, according to researchers and the report itself.

Researchers conducted phone interviews about the financial status of households in Boston, Los Angeles, Miami, Tulsa, and Washington, D.C. The survey asked respondents about their assets, liabilities, financial resources, personal savings, and investment activities.

The cities were selected because their diversity allowed researchers to disaggregate data among subgroups within broader racial categories. In Boston, the report said researchers focused on “multigenerational African Americans (referred here as US blacks), Caribbean blacks (including Haitians), Cape Verdeans (both black and white), Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans.” A total of 403 people were surveyed.

The household median net worth was $247,500 for whites; $8 for US blacks (the lowest of all five cities); $12,000 for Caribbean blacks; $3,020 for Puerto Ricans; and $0 for Dominicans (that’s not a typo either.) The sample size for Cape Verdeans was too small to calculate net worth, the report said.

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