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Arrrrrr.... I've never known a noight quoit like it....  Waves as big as houses I tell ya! Big as houses they were...

 

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6 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

Arrrrrr.... I've never known a noight quoit like it....  Waves as big as houses I tell ya! Big as houses they were...

 

Proof you've never seen Bass Strait.

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Proof?

What's your proof ya turnip?

Some cock-en bull story about motoring a Sydney 38 for 20 hours with 50kn on the bugle.

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8 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

Proof?

What's your proof ya turnip?

Some cock-en bull story about motoring a Sydney 38 for 20 hours with 50kn on the bugle.

Proof that you've never been in Bass Strait.

Never seen a wave in Bass Strait even HALF as big as a house. Too shallow - but you wouldn't know that deck boy. 

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Deck boy? Not familiar with that term.

And you're not very bright are you? Just how big is half a house??

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4 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

Deck boy? Not familiar with that term.

And you're not very bright are you? Just how big is half a house??

Deck boy. The kid on the boat that sweeps up after others and gets the Golden Rivet shown to him. You should know - you're it.

Just how big is half a house?? - - - about half as big as a whole house, wanker. Half a house is YOUR wording - strange way to say it.

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39 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

Arrrrrr.... I've never known a noight quoit like it....  Waves as big as houses I tell ya! Big as houses they were...

 

At the moment in western Bass Strait we're forecasting wave heights of seven metres ... But waves of that height won't be seen along the Surf Coast.

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/oh-buoy-monster-18m-wave-off-tasmania-20100917-15fil.html

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Others? Which others do you mean?

I think you'll find that  "Never seen a wave in Bass Strait even HALF as big as a house." was penned by yourself... And no need to shout.

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8 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

Deck boy? Not familiar with that term.

And you're not very bright are you? Just how big is half a house??

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-height-of-one-storey-in-a-house

One story is about 15 feet (4.5 meters), including floor and ceiling structure and the headspace of the rooms.  For a multiple-story building, estimate about 13 feet per floor, because one man's ceiling is another man's floor

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16 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

Others? Which others do you mean?

I think you'll find that  "Never seen a wave in Bass Strait even HALF as big as a house." was penned by yourself... And no need to shout.

That's what I wrote dumbo. NOT as big as half a house as you wrote. Are you on the piss or something? OR do you just think it's clever to troll someone? It just shows your stupidity.

"And you're not very bright are you? Just how big is half a house??"  - from your post # 105

Others? the whole crew that is superior to you. That's all of them.

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Well, I gotta say, you're pretty easy to troll.

But do go and look at post 104 for me. What does it say in relation to HALF houses?

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36 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Never seen a wave in Bass Strait even HALF as big as a house. Too shallow - but you wouldn't know that deck boy. 

 

8 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

Well, I gotta say, you're pretty easy to troll.

But do go and look at post 104 for me. What does it say in relation to HALF houses?

See above - - HALF AS BIG AS A HOUSE --- NOT AS BIG AS HALF A HOUSE AS YOU WROTE IN # 105 - - FUCKIN'  IDIOT!

No wonder you never rose above deck boy. But don't worry - someone has to clean the dunnies.

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20 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

You probably do know who I am. 

Jesus you really do need to get over yourself. You are a nobody. Know one has ever heard of you. You aren't even a has been. You are a never been.

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20 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

I couldn't give a fuck what you think. I was there - you weren't.

Who said I was a rockstar? I was onboard (with the owner) because I guess he had faith in me - enough to get me to deliver several of his boats between Hammo & Melbourne, without him always being on board..

Here is our hero arriving in Hammo after delivering the Sydney 38 from Melbourne. It was 50 knots on the nose the entire way but he punched straight into it. Took him 2 months.

When he arrived he decided to finally get the sails up and sail into the harbor. The rest is history...

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20 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

 Why would I make that shit up? 

Because you are a sad lying little fuck?

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5 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

You are right. Sorry. I'll put him on ignore.

But it was fun kicking his arse.

The only thing you have kicked is yourself in the nuts. Repeatidly. Did you really just reply to Proatard after showed he had you on ignore?

Fuck I love this place.

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3 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Walked out of the Prom. There is a walking track from the camping facilities on the west side of the Prom. People often walk in to Refuge and to the lighthouse and camp. Apparently it's a days walk - I've never done it.

I don't know what size engine in a S38 - it had a saildrive I think. Google it. As far as I know it was standard. Larger than standard fuel tank though.

I don't know if the wind gear was accurate or not. I doubt it was faulty on that particular boat. I don't know if it maintained 50 knots for those 12 hours - probably not - but for the first few hours until we got closer, it was probably a steady 50. As you would know, the Prom is a long Peninsular and motoring in from 20 miles NORTH EAST of the Prom into a big Westerly, you are in flatter water and end up in sheltered waters when you get closer.  35 knots? fully reefed cruising main & 4 or storm jib. Fuck me.  I've had that going to Hobart several times and only twice ever used a storm jib. (1976 for 2 days) 35 knots in Bass Strait is fuck all.

Why would I bother to make up that story? I'm not trying to sell anything and if I was trying for notoriety you would know who I am. Personally I don'[t give a fuck

what people think. I KNOW I was there! That's all that matters to me.

p.s. Google tells me a Yanmar 30 hp engine. I have no reason to think otherwise.

Ah the story seems to be changing. So you haven't done it multiple times, only once. It wasn't 50 miles it was 20. It wasn't 50 knots it was gusting 50. You didn't know the size of the engine in a boat you claim to have sailed hundreds of miles in. You don't know how to put up storm sails. 35 knots in Bass strait is nothing. it was so windy that two people were killed on a walking track. You can draw a weather map from a weather report. We used to teach this in the UK where they have a shipping forecast that gives precise barometric pressure in the sea areas, along with wind direction and speed. It was a prerequisite part of the Yachtmaster exam. (No not your kind of master) There is not nearly enough information in the Australian coastal waters and high seas forecast in this country that would make drawing that map of any use what so ever. Why would you make this up? Because you are a sad old fuck that has been caught out bullshitting and you like to double down? Slow day at the nursing home? The nurses blocked pornhub on your phone and you need to do something with your hands? God only knows but you should stick to bullshitting on forums where no one has a clue. Have you tried AC anarchy? Plenty of them over there.

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5 hours ago, ProaSailor said:

Yo.  Since you can't seem to ignore @LB 15 and, even worse for those of us who do, you quote him, I have to ignore you too.  Don't feed the troll.

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Ah the old ignore claim - complete with screen shot to prove it. The ignore function came with the platform that these forums are built with. It is there because some forums have 13 year old girls who don't have the will power to simply not read something they don't want to see. But it is great for little snowflakes like you who seem to think that telling someone they are on ignore is a great put down, then you fuck it up regularly and reply to those you claim to be ignoring. BTW you do realize that telling someone you are ignoring them is not ignoring them. If you want to ignore someone then you should just, well, ignore them.

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1 hour ago, VWAP said:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-height-of-one-storey-in-a-house

One story is about 15 feet (4.5 meters), including floor and ceiling structure and the headspace of the rooms.  For a multiple-story building, estimate about 13 feet per floor, because one man's ceiling is another man's floor

This is Porty Phil's house..

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1 hour ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

 

See above - - HALF AS BIG AS A HOUSE --- NOT AS BIG AS HALF A HOUSE AS YOU WROTE IN # 105 - - FUCKIN'  IDIOT!

 

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WOW! LB must be having a meltdown. I've got him on ignore so don't know what he's on about.

Somebody better keep an eye on him in case he strains his pooper valve again.

As much as I dislike the wanker, I Don't wish physical harm on anybody as much as they might deserve it. 

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43 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

WOW! LB must be having a meltdown. I've got him on ignore so don't know what he's on about

Of course you have master. Like you motered into 50 knots. Anyway whilst you are reading this can you clear up our relationship? Now let me get the straight. From what you have posted you are the 'Master' and I am an 'amateur' because you have 'beaten' me and 'kicked me in the arse', yet at the same time, you refer to me as your equal and then run away? How does that work? Come back and play old boy, you know you want to.......or are you 'beaten'?

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1 hour ago, LB 15 said:

Ah the old ignore claim - complete with screen shot to prove it. The ignore function came with the platform that these forums are built with. It is there because some forums have 13 year old girls who don't have the will power to simply not read something they don't want to see. But it is great for little snowflakes like you who seem to think that telling someone they are on ignore is a great put down, then you fuck it up regularly and reply to those you claim to be ignoring. BTW you do realize that telling someone you are ignoring them is not ignoring them. If you want to ignore someone then you should just, well, ignore them.

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48 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Of course you have master. Like you motered into 50 knots. Anyway whilst you are reading this can you clear up our relationship? Now let me get the straight. From what you have posted you are the 'Master' and I am an 'amateur' because you have 'beaten' me and 'kicked me in the arse', yet at the same time, you refer to me as your equal and then run away? How does that work? Come back and play old boy, you know you want to.......or are you 'beaten'?

how would you know he's having a meltdown - you've said you have him on ignore

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9 hours ago, ProaSailor said:

Yo.  Since you can't seem to ignore @LB 15 and, even worse for those of us who do, you quote him, I have to ignore you too.  Don't feed the troll.

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But PPS has me on ignore as well, this is going to get complicated.:blink:

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1 hour ago, Dark Cloud said:

how would you know he's having a meltdown - you've said you have him on ignore

I can see he posted 8 times in a row in a very short time. That's how the ignore function works. see the snip.

I don't know what he posted but it's obvious he's frothing at the mouth a bit. You can see what he's posted and you just confirmed he had a meltdown.

Seeing that meltdown is more satisfying even though I don't know what he is writing. It must be frustrating him no end.

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40 minutes ago, mad said:

But PPS has me on ignore as well, this is going to get complicated.:blink:

you'll need to pull out a sock mad 

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Silly old cunt hasn't got the will power to not look. He has been breathing this little shitfight all day. Must be sick of getting beaten. :)

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40 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

I can see he posted 8 times in a row in a very short time. That's how the ignore function works. see the snip.

I don't know what he posted but it's obvious he's frothing at the mouth a bit. You can see what he's posted and you just confirmed he had a meltdown.

Seeing that meltdown is more satisfying even though I don't know what he is writing. It must be frustrating him no end.

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Tell your daughter I said hi and ask her if she wants the rest of the condoms back. She left half a packet at my place. I said to take them home for you but they are not your size apperntly. You could throw a few handfuls of blue metal in to take up the slack.

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11 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Tell your daughter I said hi and ask her if she wants the rest of the condoms back. She left half a packet at my place. I said to take them home for you but they are not your size apperntly. You could throw a few handfuls of blue metal in to take up the slack.

PPS was on the sherry earlier than usual today it seems

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On 4/14/2018 at 3:14 AM, Black Jack said:

Ok, I recognized electric propulsion may not all there yet but this might be a great solution. For someone (like me) who has an older boat but does not want to put a inboard fuel motor in and has no big plans to cruise for weeks it might be the best alternative. At around 5k, it is 1/3 the cost of a new or repower or about 2.5 times a similar outboard of the same power. The pod can be installed in less than a day. The range at half power could be 30 miles or more depending on set up which would take a 7000 lbs boat to hull speed. Weighing in at 15kg plus 4 deep cycle marine batteries - maybe a good choice for folks like us.

1/3 the cost of a new or repower? E.g. for Hanse 315 you would need to pay 20 000 € more to get Torqeedo with 30 nm range instead of the standard D1-13. The 4 kW pod costs only 3500 €, but you need the batteries and a charging system as well. For 30 nm range (at 4,5 knots) Hanse 315 needs 10 kWh battery bank, which costs 10 000 € from Torqeedo.

10 kWh equals 830 Ah as 12 V batteries using full capacity, which is not probably what you want to do. Or maybe you can with high quality deep cycle batteries, but they will cost a lot as well. Even cheap lead acid 830 Ah will weight more than 200 kg and the best quality ones can be double that. Not much saving weight and space, but with rather cheap batteries you could get away with only 1000 € on batteries, which would not last for a long time in this use.

Or you could maybe make your own LifePo bank from Winston etc. elements with about 5000 € cost.

And you still need the high power charging system.

No way are you going to save money compared to normal small diesel engine, which is 5000-10000 € depending on size and brand including SD.

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7 hours ago, LB 15 said:

This is Porty Phil's house..

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4 hours ago, Joakim said:

1/3 the cost of a new or repower? E.g. for Hanse 315 you would need to pay 20 000 € more to get Torqeedo with 30 nm range instead of the standard D1-13. The 4 kW pod costs only 3500 €, but you need the batteries and a charging system as well. For 30 nm range (at 4,5 knots) Hanse 315 needs 10 kWh battery bank, which costs 10 000 € from Torqeedo.

10 kWh equals 830 Ah as 12 V batteries using full capacity, which is not probably what you want to do. Or maybe you can with high quality deep cycle batteries, but they will cost a lot as well. Even cheap lead acid 830 Ah will weight more than 200 kg and the best quality ones can be double that. Not much saving weight and space, but with rather cheap batteries you could get away with only 1000 € on batteries, which would not last for a long time in this use.

Or you could maybe make your own LifePo bank from Winston etc. elements with about 5000 € cost.

And you still need the high power charging system.

No way are you going to save money compared to normal small diesel engine, which is 5000-10000 € depending on size and brand including SD.

A new boat like the Hanse 315 with a new diesel is the most practical solution and does make sense in most aspects. Electro propulsion is the costlier option as there is added features to make it more practical and grant the crew the ability of power on demand.

When I walk the many docks here in the San Francisco Bay area, I see many more outboards hanging off older boat transoms. I can guess that most of the boats that came with inboards were frozen a long time ago and were switched over to outboards for cost reasons just like mine.  And like mine, many of them have had their propulsion systems completely removed along with the tanks and controls. As mostly solo and frugal sailor who likes to race SSS, i respect the cost and connivence of the outboard. As a practical matter - these working outboards on these boats are good alternatives if one deals buttressing up the transom to enable a proper outboard mounting, regularly services the melined thing, places a cover over the cowling to keep the elements out, uses only fresh funky California fuel and provides good fuel storage while in boat operation. That said, as a guy who fits most of the demographics of our sailing community, I don't like hanging over the side boat raising and lowering the outboard or getting it started when it gets rough or needed. 

In my old wooden racer which may get the repower,  a Volvo D1-13 (or other maker) with or without saildrive will run me at at least 20k. The boat will be out of the water for a month or more. The interior will be torn up, new holes cut and storage space eliminated. I am guessing the restoration and patching of wood and fiberglass will add nearly 100 hour additionally to the install. On the other hand, I can do the pod install myself and buy $2000 worth of batteries (which will get me that 30 mile range), be out of the yard in a week (with a bottom job included) all for less than 10K with no ugly outboard hanging from my boat's transom. And most importantly, i will get a better safety factor when I need to get out of harm's way or get to safe port while keeping in the bay or a weekend cruise.

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I started the thread to see and hear about installs, experience and photos. SA community does not disappoint in their ability to thread drift. :blink:

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5 minutes ago, Black Jack said:

A new boat like the Hanse 315 with a new diesel is the most practical solution and does make sense in most aspects. Electro propulsion is the costlier option as there is added features to make it more practical and grant the crew the ability of power on demand.

When I walk the many docks here in the San Francisco Bay area, I see many more outboards hanging off older boat transoms. I can guess that most of the boats that came with inboards were frozen a long time ago and were switched over to outboards for cost reasons just like mine.  And like mine, many of them have had their propulsion systems completely removed along with the tanks and controls. As a practical matter - these working outboards on these boats are good alternatives if one deals buttressing up the transom to enable a proper outboard, regularly service the thing, places a cover over the cowling and provides fuel storage. As mostly solo and frugal sailor who likes to race SSS, i respect the cost and connivence of the outboard. As a guy who fits most of the demographics of our sailing community, I don't like hanging over the side boat raising and lowering the outboard or getting it started when it gets rough or needed. 

In my old wooden racer which may get the repower,  a Volvo D1-13 (or other maker) with or without saildrive will run me at at least 20k. The boat will be out of the water for a month or more. The interior will be torn up, new holes cut and storage space eliminated. I am guessing the restoration and patching of wood and fiberglass will add nearly 100 hour additionally to the install. On the other hand, I can do the pod install myself and buy $2000 worth of batteries (which will get me that 30 mile range), be out of the yard in a week (with a bottom job included) all for less than 10K with no ugly outboard hanging from my boat's transom. And most importantly, i will get a better safety factor when I need to get out of harm's way or get to safe port while keeping in the bay or a weekend cruise.

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I started the thread to see and hear about installs, experience and see photos. SA community does not disappoint in their ability to thread drift. 

Obviously you are not going to accept anything but electric. You have manufactured a case for NOT doing it any other way to suit your choice.

All so you cannot go any further than 15 miles from your marina berth at half power/half speed. Keeping a safety margin to enable you to get back to your berth - 10 miles limit. 

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4 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Obviously you are not going to accept anything but electric. You have manufactured a case for NOT doing it any other way to suit your choice.

All so you cannot go any further than 15 miles from your marina berth at half power/half speed. Keeping a safety margin to enable you to get back to your berth - 10 miles limit. 

This may be true.  The same could me made for small outboards too

More to the honest truth - It is hard to justify repowering a boat for twice what is is worth.  I can put $10,000 into a electric propulsion system. I can put $20k for a proper marine engine. If I sold the boat repowered in three months - the net value of the bloody boat is nearly the same and just 3 to 5k more than it is worth if I do nothing at all.

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Black,

I think you are unconsciously underestimating the effort/work required to mount the pod...Why do you think you can mound the pod without having to do any similar work as installing a new diesel engine?  Even Torqeedo says" The drilled holes in the boat’s hull may weaken the hull structure. This must be compensated for by additional ribs, stringers, or other reinforcements."   Plus you have batteries and controllers to mount, cables to run, etc...

Also its seems to me that the cost of the Pod ($5k) plus batteries ($2K) plus throttle controller, charger, cabling, etc...I'd say you into  it at least $10k, and I'll bet probably more...

None of this is meant to say don't do it.  None of this is meant to say this isn't the right answer for you.  But it seems you are slanting the "argument" towards the answer you want... 

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2 minutes ago, Black Jack said:

This may be true.  The same could me made for small outboards too

More to the honest truth - It is hard to justify repowering a boat for twice what is is worth.  I can put $10,000 into a electric propulsion system. I can put $20k for a proper marine engine. If I sold the boat repowered in three months - the net value of the bloody boat is nearly the same and just 3 to 5k more than it is worth if I do nothing at all.

It is hard to justify repowering a boat for twice what is is worth.

Exactly. You NEVER get your money back.

Sell the boat as is. Then look for  another boat with a decent working inboard.

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17 minutes ago, Crash said:

Black,

I think you are unconsciously underestimating the effort/work required to mount the pod...Why do you think you can mound the pod without having to do any similar work as installing a new diesel engine?  Even Torqeedo says" The drilled holes in the boat’s hull may weaken the hull structure. This must be compensated for by additional ribs, stringers, or other reinforcements."   Plus you have batteries and controllers to mount, cables to run, etc...

Also its seems to me that the cost of the Pod ($5k) plus batteries ($2K) plus throttle controller, charger, cabling, etc...I'd say you into  it at least $10k, and I'll bet probably more...

None of this is meant to say don't do it.  None of this is meant to say this isn't the right answer for you.  But it seems you are slanting the "argument" towards the answer you want... 

Crash - I may be a fortunate one with this boat and it adaptation. It would be hard to find a better old boat to pod conversion. Where the old palmer 60 was would make for a great saildrive pod placement. With plenty of space and huge reinforced floor just under the companionway ladder.  I do have some skill and passion but there is always more going on with life too. A son starting college puts a real dampener on going all out. 

Sure I can sell the boat as it and maybe I should. I am sort of at a cross roads, I have this great boat with a storied past that I lusted after in my youth which I felt needed to completed. I should/could just pull the cord on the project but I am near 85 percent complete. Quite hard to walk away.

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11 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

It is hard to justify repowering a boat for twice what is is worth.

Exactly. You NEVER get your money back.

Sell the boat as is. Then look for  another boat with a decent working inboard.

That's what i would say and well as what most my friends say to me too.

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18 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Apologies for the thread drift guys. A couple of stalkers that follow me around.

LB15 - must have seen me in the showers at the club and has been stalking me ever since.

"ShortforBob" alias Meli - well, she's just a plain crazy woman. Thinks she knows it all. You know the type. Can't handle losing. Might be menopause.

Anyway - back to normal viewing (I hope)

You really are a pompous self absorbed lunatic, aren't you?

Have you had the swastika tattoo inked onto your forehead yet?

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13 minutes ago, Black Jack said:

That's what i would say and well as what most my friends say to me too.

Of course, if your real hobby is not sailing, but constantly working on your pride & joy and spending all available funds doing just that - then continue. Someone else will benefit from you efforts.

I've known a few people like that. In the end they die and the kids sell off the "millstone around the neck" for whatever they can get quickly, and someone gets a great bargain.

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3 minutes ago, familysailor said:

You really are a pompous self absorbed lunatic, aren't you?

Have you had the swastika tattoo inked onto your forehead yet?

Here we fucking go again. Another troll who contributes absolutely nothing but his warped hate upon the world.

In plain & simple words - FUCK OFF MORON.

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Just now, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Here we fucking go again. Another troll who contributes absolutely nothing but his warped hate upon the world.

In plain & simple words - FUCK OFF MORON.

I thought you had me on ignore, you Nazi admirer.

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12 minutes ago, Black Jack said:

Crash - I may be a fortunate one with this boat and it adaptation. It would be hard to find a better old boat to pod conversion. Where the old palmer 60 was would make for a great saildrive pod placement. With plenty of space and huge reinforced floor just under the companionway ladder.  I do have some skill and passion but there is always more going on with life too. A son starting college puts a real dampener on going all out. 

Sure I can sell the boat as it and maybe I should. I am sort of at a cross roads, I have this great boat with a storied past that I lusted after in my youth which I felt needed to completed. I should/could just pull the cord on the project but I am near 85 percent complete. Quite hard to walk away.

OK, that kinda changes the equation some... If I recall correctly now, its an older Mull design right?  That's a seriously cool old boat if its the one I'm thinking of.  And I get the kid going to college thing.  I sold my J/109 in part because I had 3 kids approaching college age.  In fact for one lovely year I had 3 kids in college all at the same time!

That said, we own boats for emotional reasons, not objective financial ones.  Those of us who own older boats (my J/109 replacement was an S2 9.1) have to realize that the boat will NEVER be worth what we put into it to keep it in good shape.  A suit of decent racing sails was way more then the cost of the boat...your spending that money for your enjoyment, for your well being, and because in the end, you can't take it with you...

So I'd tell you I hope you keep this one and finish it off.  Your not taking that boat on a cruise to mexico, i'd guess, but daysailing and racing in the bay right?  30nm range, minus 25% for manufacturer optimism is still 22.5 miles.  Keeping 10% for reserve still means 20 miles of range.  That ought to be enough to get your around SF bay...and the boat likely sails well enough that you'll be sailing most of the time, not motoring.  

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Crash said:

OK, that kinda changes the equation some... If I recall correctly now, its an older Mull design right?  That's a seriously cool old boat if its the one I'm thinking of.  And I get the kid going to college thing.  I sold my J/109 in part because I had 3 kids approaching college age.  In fact for one lovely year I had 3 kids in college all at the same time!

That said, we own boats for emotional reasons, not objective financial ones.  Those of us who own older boats (my J/109 replacement was an S2 9.1) have to realize that the boat will NEVER be worth what we put into it to keep it in good shape.  A suit of decent racing sails was way more then the cost of the boat...your spending that money for your enjoyment, for your well being, and because in the end, you can't take it with you...

So I'd tell you I hope you keep this one and finish it off.  Your not taking that boat on a cruise to mexico, i'd guess, but daysailing and racing in the bay right?  30nm range, minus 25% for manufacturer optimism is still 22.5 miles.  Keeping 10% for reserve still means 20 miles of range.  That ought to be enough to get your around SF bay...and the boat likely sails well enough that you'll be sailing most of the time, not motoring.  

 

 

On the head exactly!  Only child going away to school with a wife who wants to do more travel with me as well. Work is busy and good and life is flying by faster than ever. 

All boats require some effort in addition to cash. A wooden boat to bring back takes a bit more. It is nearly all emotion with this one. I have carried an article from a yachting magazine about her which I kept in a scrap book from back when I was a kid who loved sailing, racing and going to sea. When I moved to San Francisco years ago after serving in the navy, I looked for and followed this boat for a bit as I learned some boat repair skills and took some hard lessons in boat ownership. When I finally got her, I plugged along and got most of it.  Lat spring I had a serous mishap with trying to get the existing outboard while solo sailing which really reset the my frame of mind and caused more work to be done which I stalled upon doing.  Recently, I got a copy of her sailing/winning in 1969 done by Diane Beeston and it was the impetuous of this inquiry that goes a bit deeper than repowering.

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54 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Here we fucking go again. Another troll who contributes absolutely nothing but his warped hate upon the world.

In plain & simple words - FUCK OFF MORON.

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27 minutes ago, Black Jack said:

On the head exactly!  Only child going away to school with a wife who wants to do more travel with me as well. Work is busy and good and life is flying by faster than ever. 

All boats require some effort in addition to cash. A wooden boat to bring back takes a bit more. It is nearly all emotion with this one. I have carried an article from a yachting magazine about her which I kept in a scrap book from back when I was a kid who loved sailing, racing and going to sea. When I moved to San Francisco years ago after serving in the navy, I looked for and followed this boat for a bit as I learned some boat repair skills and took some hard lessons in boat ownership. When I finally got her, I plugged along and got most of it.  Lat spring I had a serous mishap with trying to get the existing outboard while solo sailing which really reset the my frame of mind and caused more work to be done which I stalled upon doing.  Recently, I got a copy of her sailing/winning in 1969 done by Diane Beeston and it was the impetuous of this inquiry that goes a bit deeper than repowering.

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One thing I suggest. Don't think of range in miles - think of range in hours.

How long will you be able to "motor" at half power and at full power.

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1 hour ago, Mark Set said:

What i think of every time Aussies are shouting at each other online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6yg4ImnYwA

Familysailor is one of yours. 

Unfortunately, like many of your countrymen, he thinks he has the God given right to tell other people what to do. A sort of "do as I say - not as I do" thing.

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5 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Familysailor is one of yours. 

Unfortunately, like many of your countrymen, he thinks he has the right to tell other people what to do. A sort of "do as I say - not as I do" thing.

This is coming from the babbling idiot who thinks we’re all going to die if we sail out of range of an auxiliary engine, and won’t shut up about it?  

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20 minutes ago, Monkey said:

This is coming from the babbling idiot who thinks we’re all going to die if we sail out of range of an auxiliary engine, and won’t shut up about it?  

And we have another troll who knows fuck-all about sailing.

You would be too selfish to understand that if you can't get back in to safety, some poor bastard has to put their life at risk and go out and rescue you. And you would be the type that wouldn't bother to say "thanks".

You might ask anybody who operates boats commercially what the authorities do when you run out of fuel/power while on the water. You are in DEEP shit.

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5 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

And we have another troll who knows fuck-all about sailing.

You would be too selfish to understand that if you can't get back in to safety, some poor bastard has to put their life at risk and go out and rescue you. And you would be the type that wouldn't bother to say "thanks".

Sure thing buddy. Maybe some of us are just talented enough not to panic and die every time there’s a minor inconvenience. 

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3 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Sure thing buddy. Maybe some of us are just talented enough not to panic and die every time there’s a minor inconvenience. 

You have NO fucking idea.

Overconfidence is a killer. You have yet to find that out.

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2 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

You have NO fucking idea.

Overconfidence is a killer. You have yet to find that out.

Our inboard died on us after a race two years ago. 19 people died in the rescue. It was carnage everywhere!!!  Or...  we just sailed into the slip, because, sailboat. 

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1 minute ago, Monkey said:

Our inboard died on us after a race two years ago. 19 people died in the rescue. It was carnage everywhere!!!  Or...  we just sailed into the slip, because, sailboat. 

You certainly come across as a self confident, never get it wrong, won't happen to me, idiot. Masts NEVER break. Sails NEVER blow out. The wind NEVER dies.

I guarantee you will shit yourself when the engine stops and there is nobody around to hold your hand.

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13 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Our inboard died on us after a race two years ago. 19 people died in the rescue. It was carnage everywhere!!!  Or...  we just sailed into the slip, because, sailboat. 

Years ago a mate on his 35ft IOR yacht finished a race about 10 pm. Motored back to his club when engine quit. Absolute glass out.

Going to work next morning I saw them sitting about quarter mile off the club. After a bit I saw they had not moved so I borrowed a tender and went out there. Six VERY pissed off guys had been sitting there for about 10 hours in a dead calm hoping someone would see them & help.

But that will NEVER happen to you would it. With all the hot air coming out of you there will always be some wind.

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So where is Port Phillip as opposed to Port Phillip Bay? Need to investigate this alleged lack of pubs, gmaps pointing me at a lake 

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3 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Years ago a mate on his 35ft IOR yacht finished a race about 10 pm. Motored back to his club when engine quit. Absolute glass out.

Going to work next morning I saw them sitting about quarter mile off the club. After a bit I saw they had not moved so I borrowed a tender and went out there. Six VERY pissed off guys had been sitting there for about 10 hours in a dead calm hoping someone would see them & help.

But that will NEVER happen to you would it.

No radio? 

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9 minutes ago, Essex said:

So where is Port Phillip as opposed to Port Phillip Bay? Need to investigate this alleged lack of pubs, gmaps pointing me at a lake 

Port Phillip. NOT Port Phillip Bay. Look on a chart.

It's like Sydney Harbour is officially Port Jackson - NOT Sydney Harbour.

And there are plenty of pubs. Just NONE where you can tie your boat up next to one.

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14 minutes ago, IStream said:

No radio? 

The key words here are YEARS AGO , I repeat YEARS AGO. Understand?

NO VHF back then.

NO mobile phones back then.

NO CB radio back then.

Only HF radio and it wasn't a good idea to call a government radio base and tell them you had "run out of fuel".

I suppose they could have sent a telegram, but they didn't think of that, and I got to them before it would have been delivered anyway. You do know what a telegram is I trust. 

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11 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

The key words here are YEARS AGO , I repeat YEARS AGO. Understand?

NO VHF back then.

NO mobile phones back then.

NO CB radio back then.

Only HF radio and it wasn't a good idea to call a government radio base and tell them you had "run out of fuel".

Holy shit how fucking old are you?? 

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7 minutes ago, Mark Set said:

Holy shit how fucking old are you?? 

This was in the 70's. Exactly when I don't recall.

You know - there was a world before you were born.

It wouldn't surprise me if you think mobile phones & CB & VHF have been around for ever. I met a young guy once who couldn't understand why Capt Cook ran aground on Endeavor Reef. He thought they should have just looked at the plotter and use the depth sounder to dodge the reef, and just motor thru the reefy bits.

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48 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Years ago a mate on his 35ft IOR yacht finished a race about 10 pm. Motored back to his club when engine quit. Absolute glass out.

Going to work next morning I saw them sitting about quarter mile off the club. After a bit I saw they had not moved so I borrowed a tender and went out there. Six VERY pissed off guys had been sitting there for about 10 hours in a dead calm hoping someone would see them & help.

But that will NEVER happen to you would it. With all the hot air coming out of you there will always be some wind.

Couldn’t figure out how to use the VHF??

edit,

 I see that ones been answered......

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27 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

The key words here are YEARS AGO , I repeat YEARS AGO. Understand?

NO VHF back then.

NO mobile phones back then.

NO CB radio back then.

Only HF radio and it wasn't a good idea to call a government radio base and tell them you had "run out of fuel".

I suppose they could have sent a telegram, but they didn't think of that, and I got to them before it would have been delivered anyway. You do know what a telegram is I trust. 

I asked a simple question, you don't have to be a dick about it.

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9 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

This was in the 70's. Exactly when I don't recall.

You know - there was a world before you were born.

It wouldn't surprise me if you think mobile phones & CB & VHF have been around for ever. I met a young guy once who couldn't understand why Capt Cook ran aground on Endeavor Reef. He thought they should have just looked at the plotter and use the depth sounder to dodge the reef, and just motor thru the reefy bits.

another whinging old man with a bunch of bullshit stories about how young people are stupid. dime a dozen. #BoomersToGitmo

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Just now, IStream said:

I asked a simple question, you don't have to be a dick about it.

I have learn on this site to fully & clearly explain the facts or the trolls are all over it like a pack of wild dogs in a feeding frenzy. I trust you are not one of them.

So was I clear enough? Any further questions? Sorry I can't tell you what time of day it was - except it was in the morning.

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1 minute ago, Mark Set said:

another whinging old man with a bunch of bullshit stories about how young people are stupid. dime a dozen. #BoomersToGitmo

So says another stupid kid who thinks the world began when he was born.

You are going to be quite surprised how much you father has learnt by the time you get to 25. (if you get that far)

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1 minute ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

So says another stupid kid who thinks the world began when he was born.

You are going to be quite surprised how much you father has learnt by the time you get to 25. (if you get that far)

im 40 dumbass. get back to your prunes and bedpan old man.

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2 minutes ago, Mark Set said:

im 40 dumbass. get back to your prunes and bedpan old man.

Well you're behaving like a teenage know it all.

Again - the world DID exist before you were born.

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2 minutes ago, LB 15 said:

Good lord! Why would anyone watch that shit?

Agreed, what the fuck is that about?

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1 hour ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Port Phillip. NOT Port Phillip Bay. Look on a chart.

It's like Sydney Harbour is officially Port Jackson - NOT Sydney Harbour.

And there are plenty of pubs. Just NONE where you can tie your boat up next to one.

Except for about 15 places that I have been and I don't even live there. he could moter a Sydney 38 to any of them at 1-2 knots. Stupid old cunt just keeps on giving.

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6 minutes ago, mad said:

Agreed, what the fuck is that about?

Don't know - have never heard of it before. 

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40 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

So says another stupid kid who thinks the world began when he was born.

You are going to be quite surprised how much you father has learnt by the time you get to 25. (if you get that far)

I am betting if you had children they wouldn't feel that way. Nor would they visit you at the nursing home.

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1 hour ago, Mark Set said:

Holy shit how fucking old are you?? 

He used to have to motor uphill into 50 knots to get to school you know!!

Everyday!

Both ways!

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Fucks sake, can someone post a picture of a pub by the water?

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1 hour ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

I met a young guy once who couldn't understand why Capt Cook ran aground on Endeavor Reef. 

Did you ask him if he watched Gladiator movies or had ever seen a grown man naked?

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1 hour ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

The key words here are YEARS AGO , I repeat YEARS AGO. Understand?

NO VHF back then.

NO mobile phones back then.

NO CB radio back then.

Only HF radio and it wasn't a good idea to call a government radio base and tell them you had "run out of fuel".

I suppose they could have sent a telegram, but they didn't think of that, and I got to them before it would have been delivered anyway. You do know what a telegram is I trust. 

Master, you really should do some homework before you try to pretend to be something you are not. There are 3 glaring errors in your latest little fantasy. 'An IOR 35 footer' would make this at the oldest the mid 60's, by which time 'CB radio' (which is known as 27mg in the maritime world in Australia you stupid cunt- outed himself nicely as a bullshit artist by calling it CB) was in widespread use by then on most boats. The third lie was that he said it was owned by 'a mate'. As if an insufferable cunt like him ever had any mates. That is why in his declining years he sits alone in the nursing home making up stories on the interwebs.

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11 minutes ago, mad said:

Fucks sake, can someone post a picture of a pub by the water?

from beautiful Galveston Bay, the top 3 waterfront watering holes (err not pubs in the traditional sense dont think the locals would go for that)

Topwater

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BARge (formerly turtle club)

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outriggers

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2 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Familysailor is one of yours. 

Unfortunately, like many of your countrymen, he thinks he has the God given right to tell other people what to do. A sort of "do as I say - not as I do" thing.

The Bullshit is deep in this one, Obi-Won

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1 hour ago, IStream said:

I asked a simple question, you don't have to be a dick about it.

It's in his nature... He can't help himself.

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7 minutes ago, Mark Set said:

from beautiful Galveston Bay, the top 3 waterfront watering holes (err not pubs in the traditional sense dont think the locals would go for that)

Topwater

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BARge (formerly turtle club)

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outriggers

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And here is some more. I think the silly old cunt problem is 'walking distance'. At one knot it could take Him a while.

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