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2 minutes ago, charisma94 said:

^The story is bullshit from go to whoa.

I figure it’s a sock puppet of Random. Australia simply doesn’t support a large enough population for two people to be that insanely stupid. I suppose there’s a slight chance of inbreeding, which would explain the two of them. 

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3 minutes ago, Monkey said:

I figure it’s a sock puppet of Random. Australia simply doesn’t support a large enough population for two people to be that insanely stupid. I suppose there’s a slight chance of inbreeding, which would explain the two of them. 

I think he is more like the bastard child of Dabnis and SV Airlie. Thankfully both those old clowns have been flicked and hopefully this stupid cunt will be soon as well.

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I just send the silly old cunt a PM, which of course you can't do if someone has you on ignore. What a pathetic old cunt.

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1 minute ago, charisma94 said:

He reminds me of JohnnySaint.

Remember that old cunt?

I was thinking the same thing. He was from Melbourne as well. Having said that, both Randumb and I are from Queensland so internet trolling mustn't be a state thing :)

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18 minutes ago, Dark Cloud said:

strangely enough he's gone quiet now that he suspects his veil of anonymity might be shattered

They often turn the internet off for a few hours each day at nursing homes . Stops them wanking too much. Those old boys have thin skin in more ways that one.

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7 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

The key words here are YEARS AGO , I repeat YEARS AGO. Understand?

NO VHF back then.

NO mobile phones back then.

NO CB radio back then.

Only HF radio and it wasn't a good idea to call a government radio base and tell them you had "run out of fuel".

I suppose they could have sent a telegram, but they didn't think of that, and I got to them before it would have been delivered anyway. You do know what a telegram is I trust. 

I was doing Hobarts in the late 60's and all through the 70's - we sure had VHF.

And we could do radphone over the HF.

Didn't have GPS or satnav though, just a sextant and RDF.

Good thing I'm not as old as PPS.

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1 hour ago, charisma94 said:

He reminds me of JohnnySaint.

Remember that old cunt?

It's definitely someone who has been here before - I recognise the strident style and spittle flying.  Possibly JS, but I don't remember him being so rabid.

Was JS from Melbourne?  I thought he was up Airlie way.

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20 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Ah the old ignore claim - complete with screen shot to prove it. The ignore function came with the platform that these forums are built with. It is there because some forums have 13 year old girls who don't have the will power to simply not read something they don't want to see. But it is great for little snowflakes like you who seem to think that telling someone they are on ignore is a great put down, then you fuck it up regularly and reply to those you claim to be ignoring. BTW you do realize that telling someone you are ignoring them is not ignoring them. If you want to ignore someone then you should just, well, ignore them.

 

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2 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

It's definitely someone who has been here before - I recognise the strident style and spittle flying.  Possibly JS, but I don't remember him being so rabid.

Was JS from Melbourne?  I thought he was up Airlie way.

He was originally a Victorian but had been driving Maxipackers out of Able point for a few years. He was living on his Cole 35 last time I spoke to him , but that was a few years ago. JS was ok but could be an angry old fucker sometimes. It all ahead of us mate!

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I too am pretty easy, to get the basic figure out who I am. Most in the sailing world know me as Crusty. I was out in the North Sea ( forgot the year ) anyway a bloody long time ago, on cousins fish boat. We had VHF and used Loran. As far as spending on an old boat. My Tanzer 22 is likely worth about $2000- on a good day. Two new sails costs more. But I can sail the Inshore Race at Swiftsure and other regattas. We have spent more than it cost, on my Viking 33. But it gets used every summer for cruising, and it is worth it, IMO, and that of Admiral Shirley. As far as the Ozzies slinging it, why post a pic of an NZ girl? I will have to show this thread to Ozzy David. Whichatees tribe was good comic strip from yesteryear. Back to the electric drive. I talked about it way up the page. Opinion has not changed. I would do it if it worked for me.

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1 hour ago, Dark Cloud said:

strangely enough he's gone quiet now that he suspects his veil of anonymity might be shattered

He needs time to recuperate 

 

 

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6 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Master, you really should do some homework before you try to pretend to be something you are not. There are 3 glaring errors in your latest little fantasy. 'An IOR 35 footer' would make this at the oldest the mid 60's, by which time 'CB radio' (which is known as 27mg in the maritime world in Australia you stupid cunt- outed himself nicely as a bullshit artist by calling it CB) was in widespread use by then on most boats. The third lie was that he said it was owned by 'a mate'. As if an insufferable cunt like him ever had any mates. That is why in his declining years he sits alone in the nursing home making up stories on the interwebs.

You should see the questions he asks us on a rules blog then comes here as a rules expert. He claims to be a 

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2 hours ago, Recidivist said:

I was doing Hobarts in the late 60's and all through the 70's - we sure had VHF.

And we could do radphone over the HF.

Didn't have GPS or satnav though, just a sextant and RDF.

Good thing I'm not as old as PPS.

No. You had HF! All scheds on HF.

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3 hours ago, Monkey said:

Actually, I’ll make this simple for PPS.  I’ll give you the same challenge I do to every coward who hides behind a screen name. I’m Dan Kerpe. I live in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, United States. What’s your name?  If you aren’t a blatant liar, you shouldn’t be ashamed to out yourself. I have a CV that stands up to my comments. Let’s see yours pumpkin. 

Not fuckin' likely. Too many people here I would trust. LB being one crazy lunatic.

What would be the point of lying about what I've done if I was anonymous? I don't need to promote myself.

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7 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

No. You had HF! All scheds on HF.

Scheds on HF, yes.  Used VHF to call the boat (forgotten the name now) that sent up flares when the youngster on board had a heart attack and died.  They were just a few miles inshore of us and we had a doctor on board.

FFS, in those days I was a radio and electronics tech officer with Dept Civil Aviation - I installed VHFs (and HFs up to 10Kw).  Don't try and tell me they weren't available!

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5 hours ago, Last Post said:

Typical of most forum grenade chuckers, he hasn't been able to resist posting more than enough information to identify himself to many here. Sad case.

OK idiot. You quoted LB and its all bullshit. But what would you expect from a habitual liar.

I can't see his lies now because I'm typing this but for starter - I've never set foot on a Sydney 41. I did sail on a BH 41 but NEVER with an assomytrical. Don't even know if it's in the class rules - though I wouldn't put it past LB to use a non legal sail. That would be cheating.

I can see your quote of his post. First off he has NO mates in Victoria - or anywhere else for that matter.

His comment about standing off the coast 10 miles - well I not surprised he would write that - he obviously doesn't know about the EAC that's worth up to 4 knots when you get out there - that's nearly a free 100 miles a day.

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I want to know what owner would put up with bashing head first into fifty knots under power, instead of being smart enough to bust out the storm jib. I’ve seen the damage done by pounding into heavy seas with a flat boat, and you’d have to be borderline retarded to do that for hours on end. Heel it over and make better progress. 

Hell, the worst delivery I remember, we only fought through with that life saving engine for about a half hour before switching to sails. That was only in about a max of 30 knots. We had all kinds of delamination going on in the bow. Thankfully, once we went back to those sail contraptions, it didn’t get worse. 

 

The owner on the boat you dickhead, who was in absolute charge of what happened. Note that we were in the lee of the Prom. (Wilsons Promontory for you morons who've never been there) You haven't been reading the thread. Maybe you should lay off the drugs. 

Any further explanation to you trolls is pointless. You wouldn't understand.

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21 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

 

You've turned from what I thought was a decent bloke into a complete arsehole.

If you read the posts from everyone it looks like everyone is turning into an arsehole.  Or....

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20 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Not fuckin' likely. Too many people here I would trust. LB being one crazy lunatic.

What would be the point of lying about what I've done if I was anonymous? I don't need to promote myself.

But you have beaten me Master. We already know who you are dickhead. Actually with your reputation both here and in the real world there is no point in trying to promote your self. Everyone that knows you knows what a useless old cunt you are. 

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51 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

OK idiot. You quoted LB and its all bullshit. But what would you expect from a habitual liar.

I can't see his lies now because I'm typing this but for starter - I've never set foot on a Sydney 41. I did sail on a BH 41 but NEVER with an assomytrical. Don't even know if it's in the class rules - though I wouldn't put it past LB to use a non legal sail. That would be cheating.

I can see your quote of his post. First off he has NO mates in Victoria - or anywhere else for that matter.

His comment about standing off the coast 10 miles - well I not surprised he would write that - he obviously doesn't know about the EAC that's worth up to 4 knots when you get out there - that's nearly a free 100 miles a day.

 

The owner on the boat you dickhead, who was in absolute charge of what happened. Note that we were in the lee of the Prom. (Wilsons Promontory for you morons who've never been there) You haven't been reading the thread. Maybe you should lay off the drugs. 

Any further explanation to you trolls is pointless. You wouldn't understand.

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None of you trolls are anywhere close to my ID.

I'll give you some clues...

I've never been on SA before - That is I have no alias. Don't need one.

It's twilight now. Sun has set. Might go for a sundowner. A Bounty & pineapple juice maybe. 

and that's all you will get, Ta Ta - - for now - - fools!

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16 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

OK idiot. You quoted LB and its all bullshit. But what would you expect from a habitual liar.

I can't see his lies now because I'm typing this but for starter - I've never set foot on a Sydney 41. I did sail on a BH 41 but NEVER with an assomytrical. Don't even know if it's in the class rules - though I wouldn't put it past LB to use a non legal sail. That would be cheating.

I can see your quote of his post. First off he has NO mates in Victoria - or anywhere else for that matter.

His comment about standing off the coast 10 miles - well I not surprised he would write that - he obviously doesn't know about the EAC that's worth up to 4 knots when you get out there - that's nearly a free 100 miles a day.

The owner on the boat you dickhead, who was in absolute charge of what happened. You haven't been reading the thread. Maybe you should lay off the drugs. 

Still pretending to have me on ignore? The PM i sent you worked fine you silly old fuck. You indeed did step foot on my BH 41. You cant drive for shit. The delivery you did with some of my students on board another boat was how I found out what a hopeless amateur you are. No safety brief, you do nothing but sleep and steer (badly) and tell tales of what a hero you are. They said you couldn't even work the HF to get a weather report. You once again just showed your ignorance. The EAC rarely runs at 4 knots and it certainly doesn't sit 10 miles out like a conveyor belt. You clearly haven't done much sailing in the modern era. Maybe you are starting to believe your own shit. I have been sailing along this coastline since the days when we stuck a thermometer in a bucket of water to see if we were in it. It is just more of your bullshit like claiming you are a NJ and a NRO. You are not and never have been. I just checked on the Sailing Australia website. What is your problem? Can't you just act like a normal rational old man? The sailing world and this place is far too small for you to get away with your Walter Mitty act. But since I don't hide my identity on here and you have chosen to pick a shit fight defame me it is game on sunshine. It might even be worth a weeks ban to out you so you can cope shit from everyone next time you show your face at Sandy. 

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14 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

None of you trolls are anywhere close to my ID.

I'll give you some clues...

I've never been on SA before - That is I have no alias. Don't need one.

It's twilight now. Sun has set. Might go for a sundowner. A Bounty & pineapple juice maybe. 

and that's all you will get, Ta Ta - - for now - - fools!

Say hi to FJ for me...

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1 hour ago, Recidivist said:

Scheds on HF, yes.  Used VHF to call the boat (forgotten the name now) that sent up flares when the youngster on board had a heart attack and died.  They were just a few miles inshore of us and we had a doctor on board.

FFS, in those days I was a radio and electronics tech officer with Dept Civil Aviation - I installed VHFs (and HFs up to 10Kw).  Don't try and tell me they weren't available!

Yep 1947 is when marine use of the VHF band began. We ran the Gladstone race skeds for years on VHF back in the day. I think we all know he is just an old charlatan, but it is fun to make him look like the old fool he is. 

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1 hour ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

I can't see his lies now because I'm typing this but for starter - I've never set foot on a Sydney 41. I did sail on a BH 41 but NEVER with an assomytrical. Don't even know if it's in the class rules - though I wouldn't put it past LB to use a non legal sail. That would be cheating.

That is bullshit, you driving Oceans in a Gladstone when you chinesed with  the 1.5 asso on just near Lady Elliot on about 2003.

actually now I think about that is LB's boat now and he still has the asso.

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4 minutes ago, lydia said:

That is bullshit, you driving Oceans in a Gladstone when you chinesed with  the 1.5 asso on just near Lady Elliot on about 2003.

actually now I think about that is LB's boat now and he still has the asso.

Ha. The Gladstone race is the one offshore race I have never done. Always meant to because I've heard it's a good little drink at the club - but somehow I never got around to it..

What is an Oceans anyway?

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14 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

Ha. The Gladstone race is the one offshore race I have never done. 

What is an Oceans anyway?

A large body of water with continents either side. Bit scary for a bay sailor like you. Walls are closing in on you fast cup cake. I see my PM's are still going through to you ok. Mad must have showed me how to disable the ignore function. Lord you are a sad little toad.

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1 hour ago, charisma94 said:

It's twilight now. Sun has set.

and that's all you will get, Ta Ta - - for now - - fools!

 

That almost like one of Captain Gigi's shitty haiku things.

Do you reckon we could hook them up?  PPS and Gigi could get laid and we might get some respite. 

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16 minutes ago, Recidivist said:

Do you reckon we could hook them up?  PPS and Gigi could get laid and we might get some respite. 

I ain't happening with out 2 paper bags and 500mls of Viagra.

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3 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

I can't see his lies now because I'm typing this but for starter - I've never set foot on a Sydney 41. I did sail on a BH 41 but NEVER with an assomytrical. Don't even know if it's in the class rules - though I wouldn't put it past LB to use a non legal sail. That would be cheating.

You'd best hasten and run to tell the BH41 Class & Owners association, I'm sure they'll get right on banning him for such blatant cheating 

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32 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

You'd best hasten and run to tell the BH41 Class & Owners association, I'm sure they'll get right on banning him for such blatant cheating 

lol

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24 minutes ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

I am terrified of homosexuals because I get these urges. I would really like to talk someone about it but everyone thinks I  am a cunt.

 

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9 hours ago, Monkey said:

Actually, I’ll make this simple for PPS.  I’ll give you the same challenge I do to every coward who hides behind a screen name. I’m Dan Kerpe. I live in Sheboygan, Wisconsin, United States. What’s your name?  If you aren’t a blatant liar, you shouldn’t be ashamed to out yourself. I have a CV that stands up to my comments. Let’s see yours pumpkin. 

Now I know where you live. 

You might be getting a visit from Meatwad too

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4 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

You'd best hasten and run to tell the BH41 Class & Owners association, I'm sure they'll get right on banning him for such blatant cheating 

How will LB ever be able to show his face at RQ again after the BH41 Class President finds that ASO onboard, god forbid they weigh it! What does the BH41 constitution award as punishment for having a boat 500kg overweight with extra safety equipment! Obviously only carrying that survey standard stuff to increase RM on reaches with that bloody illegal ASO.  

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7 hours ago, Port Phillip Sailor said:

 

It's twilight now. Sun has set. Might go for a sundowner. 

 

someone who is negatively affected by the sun going down. often refers to peoplewith Alzheimer disease or other mental illnesses losing control at night.
"you could have warned me that old lady was a sundowner! 7pm hits and she starts trying to lick all the nurses" 
"i'm ok during the day but as soon as night hits i feel crazy and horrible. i'm such a sundowner"
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12 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

You'd best hasten and run to tell the BH41 Class & Owners association, I'm sure they'll get right on banning him for such blatant cheating 

Damn him! I just got an email from the World governors of the BH 41 class. I have been dropped from the earth team for the BH 41 intergalactics. Boat is on the market and I am buying a Sydney 38, putting in a 350 Chevy engine and I am going to break the old cunts record for the 50 mile Bass strait moter (80 years and under). The presentation will be at the Grand hotel Portarlington and we are putting on a bus for those that can't push their wheely walkers the 100 mts from the harbour. 

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20 hours ago, Monkey said:

I figure it’s a sock puppet of Random. Australia simply doesn’t support a large enough population for two people to be that insanely stupid. I suppose there’s a slight chance of inbreeding, which would explain the two of them. 

Brother and Father?:wacko:

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8 hours ago, SCANAS said:

How will LB ever be able to show his face at RQ again after the BH41 Class President finds that ASO onboard, god forbid they weigh it! What does the BH41 constitution award as punishment for having a boat 500kg overweight with extra safety equipment! Obviously only carrying that survey standard stuff to increase RM on reaches with that bloody illegal ASO.  

Don't forget all the 'Coral Beatles' as well.

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20 hours ago, charisma94 said:

He reminds me of JohnnySaint.

Remember that old cunt?

I think that was a name/sock we were trying to remember in another thread, anybody else remember him?

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19 hours ago, LB 15 said:

They often turn the internet off for a few hours each day at nursing homes . Stops them wanking too much. Those old boys have thin skin in more ways that one.

Fucker......just spat the wine. :lol:

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so... Black Jack. I'm not sure if you are still paying attention to this shit show, but I have a few things to say about the choice of a torqeedo pod over something like the oceanvolt or krauetler. for instance, the torqeedo pod's motor is in the pod. This means that the entire motive portion is exposed to potential damage from even a light grounding or hitting a lobster pot or flotsam in the water. If the seals are compromised, the motor will cease to function. also, since the motor is in the pod, the pod is fairly large in proportion to other saildrives. 

I'm a big fan of torqeedo overall, but after having my own seal issues with a travel 1003, I wouldn't want to be an early adopter on their pod technology. I have no idea how much the oceanvolt pod costs in comparison, but I really like that the motor is inside the hull.

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3 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Damn him! I just got an email from the World governors of the BH 41 class. I have been dropped from the earth team for the BH 41 intergalactics. Boat is on the market and I am buying a Sydney 38, putting in a 350 Chevy engine and I am going to break the old cunts record for the 50 mile Bass strait moter (80 years and under). The presentation will be at the Grand hotel Portarlington and we are putting on a bus for those that can't push their wheely walkers the 100 mts from the harbour. 

It gets worse I'm afraid, I know a couple of guys currently doing the Volvo and we were discussing this thread last night and they caught word of your spinnaker indiscretions, they were incensed that such a thing would happen in a top tier class like the BH41, I'm doing my best to calm them but words were mumbled about a visit to the ICC when they reach The Hague in a few months time. 

Sail safe & be wary!!

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30 minutes ago, ryley said:

If the seals are compromised, the motor will cease to function

Some ROV's are using BLDCs exposed to sea water. In theory, I suppose the pod could flood and, assUming, everything in there was perfectly potted it might still work. In reality, I suppose bad things would happen if salt water got in.

I like the 1003 that I use. However, and just IMO, I would need to be convinced that they'd upped their game significantly before I'd depend on a product of theirs permanently installed underwater. If saving money was a priority I'd be doubly skeptical. 

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5 minutes ago, weightless said:

Some ROV's are using BLDCs exposed to sea water. In theory, I suppose the pod could flood and, assUming, everything in there was perfectly potted it might still work. In reality, I suppose bad things would happen if salt water got in.

I like the 1003 that I use. However, and just IMO, I would need to be convinced that they'd upped their game significantly before I'd depend on a product of theirs permanently installed underwater. If saving money was a priority I'd be doubly skeptical. 

exactly. I had a first gen 1003 and it's dead. I have 4 batteries (I bought 2, they gave me two more) but the first gens had a known issue with the sealing system. However, they also had shitty communication of the issue, so by the time I figured it out, I basically had a $2000 hunk of aluminum. They had made some other questionable decisions early on too, like steel clamps through an aluminum frame. If Torqeedo announced that they were using flooded technology like the ROVs then that would go a long way toward making me feel more confident in their pods. However, you still have the issue that the pods are bulky compared to an oceanvolt (or an SD20 for that matter). 

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36 minutes ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

It gets worse I'm afraid, I know a couple of guys currently doing the Volvo and we were discussing this thread last night and they caught word of your spinnaker indiscretions, they were incensed that such a thing would happen in a top tier class like the BH41, I'm doing my best to calm them but words were mumbled about a visit to the ICC when they reach The Hague in a few months time. 

Sail safe & be wary!!

Yes Steve Smith just called. He advised me to just say sorry, cry a bit on TV and cop the 12 month ban. 

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2 hours ago, ryley said:

exactly. I had a first gen 1003 and it's dead. I have 4 batteries (I bought 2, they gave me two more) but the first gens had a known issue with the sealing system. However, they also had shitty communication of the issue, so by the time I figured it out, I basically had a $2000 hunk of aluminum. They had made some other questionable decisions early on too, like steel clamps through an aluminum frame. If Torqeedo announced that they were using flooded technology like the ROVs then that would go a long way toward making me feel more confident in their pods. However, you still have the issue that the pods are bulky compared to an oceanvolt (or an SD20 for that matter). 

Yep, we've been through a stack of batteries and have replaced almost all of the other bits too.

I think that it would be ideal if the pods sent an error code but continued to work if they flooded. I'm not sure it'd be a great idea to leave all the bits flooded for any length of time. For instance, chipping marine life out of the gears, bearings and motor might get tedious.

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7 hours ago, LB 15 said:

Yes Steve Smith just called. He advised me to just say sorry, cry a bit on TV and cop the 12 month ban. 

Surely you didn't rough up one side of that Assy to get more depth? How low can you go?

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can a torqueedo go upwind in 50 knots - im sure its on their brochure.  meanwhile PPS has gone to ground whilst he knits some new socks, while LB15 preps his array of lawyers to defend the rule 69 hearing brought to world sailing by some old cunt

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I feel slightly guilty for being as entertained by this thread as I am.  Thanks to you all, even Swastika Fan, without whom none of this would have been possible!

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The math is simple. To meet a 5 hour motoring requirement you need about 1,000 ah of storage.  Lithium would weigh 900 pounds all .  A diesel engine with 4 gallons of fuel weighs 260 pounds. Every hour more on the requirement adds 6 pounds to the diesel, 90 pounds to the electric.  Then you add a genset to the electric.  More complexity but fewer batteries.  Eventually you trade components until there are no batteries, the most efficient system.     

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42 minutes ago, yisitalwaysraining said:

The math is simple. To meet a 5 hour motoring requirement you need about 1,000 ah of storage.  Lithium would weigh 900 pounds all .  A diesel engine with 4 gallons of fuel weighs 260 pounds. Every hour more on the requirement adds 6 pounds to the diesel, 90 pounds to the electric.  Then you add a genset to the electric.  More complexity but fewer batteries.  Eventually you trade components until there are no batteries, the most efficient system.     

You’re absolutely right for a boat that’s going to travel distances. I think Torqueedo is aimed more at the pure day sailor. If all you want is something to make it easy to get in and out of a slip, or if the wind dies, it’s a pretty nice option. 

Of course, it’s still a bit of a pricey choice. 

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