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2 minutes ago, mad said:

Well he has a point. Unfortunately that type of thinking isn’t an option for Trump and his supporters. 

No way this changes anyone’s mind. As long as he doesn’t switch parties, he’ll never lose the Simple Jack/Dog Squad. 

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Is it too early to say all righties have butt hurt today?

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What an entertaining coincidence that Jack crawled out from under his rock just in time for this turd to land in his lap. :lol: 

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4 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:

Is it too early to say all righties have butt hurt today?

We better put the EMTs and ERs on alert...there's going to be an epidemic of twisted ankle sprains.

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Just now, Spatial Ed said:

Mueller sure has found a lot of witches in this hunt.

The Best witches...everybody says so.

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Just now, RKoch said:

We better put the EMTs and ERs on alert...there's going to be an epidemic of twisted ankle sprains.

Dispatch them to all safe spaces and make sure their Waaaambulances are properly cooled so the snowflakes don't melt.

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Donnie might actually have to take up alcohol at this rate, just to numb the effects of falling into a miasma of sloppy shit of his own creation.

He will Tweet something that draws the redhats together as if the cornerstone of his version of democracy itself is under attack what a pathetic little man.

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I’m waiting for another moment of international diplomacy as a distraction. 

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Cohen's lawyer....

Today he stood up and testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election. If those payments were a crime for Michael Cohen, then why wouldn't they be a crime for Donald Trump?

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He's back on the border wall, and trying to take advantage of Mollie Tibbetts murder by an illegal alien. Expect him to go all in on this one.

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11 hours ago, RKoch said:

Cohen's lawyer....

Today he stood up and testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election. If those payments were a crime for Michael Cohen, then why wouldn't they be a crime for Donald Trump?

 

On the Rachel Maddow Show, Lanny Davis implied that Cohen is ready to flip on Trump, so when will the other shoe drop?

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3 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

...so when will the other shoe drop?

When Mueller has all his ducks in a row. He's been playing it by the books and pretty successfully to date. The only people that want this rushed are those that want the FBI to miss something.

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On 4/26/2018 at 2:24 PM, A guy in the Chesapeake said:
On 4/26/2018 at 1:51 PM, phillysailor said:

Sorry, but right now I think the GOP is a moral vacuum. The Jeff Flakes & Bob Corkers are heading for the exits saying the same thing. John McCain is very ill. Who exactly is left we can trust?

I would LOVE to get back to responsible bipartisan leadership. But we need opposition not led by the aristocracy, FOX News and Breitbart. Kellyanne Conway’s influence needs to be removed from all discussions between the parties. Right now, her talking points are “winning” the GOP soundbite wars but she is poison to democracy. 

It’s  an uphill climb at this point to restoring our union. Damage has been done by successive GOP administrations which have severely weakened our nation’s fiscal and national security. We need an assessment and consequurnces before we can move on together. 

Yours is a good question too - and in answer - i don't trust most people in EITHER party to be trustworthy and thoughtful stewards of America's resources and capabilities.  There are a few on both sides that I trust, even if I don't agree with their approach or priorities.  McCain, Bernie Sanders, Bob Casey, Joni Ernst are a few that come to mind.

What's with the bipartisan trust of McCain?

Keating 5 McCain. Iraq war supporter McCain. Scumbag who called my elk out as supporters of terrorists and Putin for opposing that stupid war McCain.
 

Fuck that guy. And his revenge campaign of censorship too.

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2 hours ago, Remodel said:

He's back on the border wall, and trying to take advantage of Mollie Tibbetts murder by an illegal alien. Expect him to go all in on this one.

I doubt it will be mentioned by the Faithful that this man, who was here illegally, was working on a farm owned by the family of a prominent state Republican leader.

The Latest: Suspect worked at farm tied to Republican farmer

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3 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I doubt it will be mentioned by the Faithful that this man, who was here illegally, was working on a farm owned by the family of a prominent state Republican leader.

The Latest: Suspect worked at farm tied to Republican farmer

that Trump's illegal criminal de jour was an employee in good standing and had been for 4 years should showcase the spot where people looking to crackdown on illegal immigration should focus - employers - not a cockamamie wall.

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14 hours ago, mad said:

Well he has a point. Unfortunately that type of thinking isn’t an option for Trump and his supporters. 

Well the problem is, is proof. Just because Cohen (anyone) says something doesn’t make it the truth. Can he even be compelled to testify against his client? 

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1 minute ago, chinabald said:

Well the problem is, is proof. Just because Cohen (anyone) says something doesn’t make it the truth. Can he even be compelled to testify against his client? 

Cohen's lawyer has said Cohen will gladly testify against Trump. The reason Cohen's office was raided was Cohen was acting outside the legal bounds covered by attorney-client privilege.

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2 minutes ago, chinabald said:

Well the problem is, is proof. Just because Cohen (anyone) says something doesn’t make it the truth. Can he even be compelled to testify against his client? 

if a crime was committed, absolutely

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2 minutes ago, chinabald said:

Well the problem is, is proof. Just because Cohen (anyone) says something doesn’t make it the truth. Can he even be compelled to testify against his client? 

There is more than just Cohen's word for it and, yes, he can be compelled (or volunteer) to testify about unprotected conversations. A client directing their lawyer to break the law is not protected by privilege.

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2 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Cohen's lawyer has said he will gladly testify against  Trump.

Who has the rights to attorney client privilege?  Is it the attorney who needs to waive the right, or the client? 

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5 minutes ago, chinabald said:

Can he even be compelled to testify against his client? 

Nope. Not for attorney/client dealings anyway. But he apparently chose to. 

Edit to reference Hermetic’s post above

Edited by Sean

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Just now, Bent Sailor said:

There is more than just Cohen's word for it and, yes, he can be compelled (or volunteer) to testify about unprotected conversations. A client directing their lawyer to break the law is not protected by privilege.

I guess that last sentence makes sense. 

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Just now, chinabald said:

Who has the rights to attorney client privilege?  Is it the attorney who needs to waive the right, or the client? 

The client, but the privilege doesn't cover directions to commit crime. It also needs to be conversation as part of legit legal advice. General conversations and business direction is not covered.

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Just now, Bent Sailor said:

The client, but the privilege doesn't cover directions to commit crime. It also needs to be conversation as part of legit legal advice. General conversations and business direction is not covered.

What’s the attorney’s obligation to his client when instructions to break the law occur. Are they required to point out it’s an illegal act? Can the client later say. Hey he’s the law expert not me. When I told him my thought he never said it was against the law. I pay him for that knowledge and he failed me. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

The client, but the privilege doesn't cover directions to commit crime. It also needs to be conversation as part of legit legal advice. General conversations and business direction is not covered.

I've been listening to the "Stuff You Should Know" podcast.  Entertaining and informative.

The one on "Attorney-Client Privilege" is terrific.

Linky

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7 minutes ago, chinabald said:

What’s the attorney’s obligation to his client when instructions to break the law occur. Are they required to point out it’s an illegal act? Can the client later say. Hey he’s the law expert not me. When I told him my thought he never said it was against the law. I pay him for that knowledge and he failed me. 

I'll let @Sol Rosenberg handle that one. ;) 

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20 minutes ago, Bent Sailor said:

I'll let @Sol Rosenberg handle that one. ;) 

1. Say "I cannot do that because it is illegal." 

2. Say "I must resign from representing you" if the client insists.  

See Corallo, Mark, if Mr. Wolff's book is accurate.  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/04/trump-spokesman-mark-corallo-left-over-obstruction-concerns-wolff-book-claims.html

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Gotta stay on point - Hannity is giving you the news that you won't get anywhere else.  It's important to keep your news sources pure and unadulterated.  And more importantly Trump is still leading his cheering crowds in "drain the swamp" and "lock her up".  Somehow Hannity never mentions that Cohen was his lawyer as well.  

All is Well!!!!

 

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37 minutes ago, Sean said:

Nope. Not for attorney/client dealings anyway. But he apparently chose to. 

Edit to reference Hermetic’s post above

Attorney-Client priviledge has limitations. One thing that voids it is the attorney co-conspiring to commit or commuting a crime with the client.  Once Cohen agreed to commit campaign finance law violations at the request of his client, most of attorney-client priviledge is lost.

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12 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Gotta stay on point - Hannity is giving you the news that you won't get anywhere else.  It's important to keep your news sources pure and unadulterated.  And more importantly Trump is still leading his cheering crowds in "drain the swamp" and "lock her up".  Somehow Hannity never mentions that Cohen was his lawyer as well.  

All is Well!!!!

 

Quite frankly I've got better things to do with my time that watch Hannity, but I'd be interested to know if he ever mentions where all the money this bank fraud was committed with, came from.

ding ding ding..... are there bells ringing some where?

-DSK

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the money for the bank fraud seems to have come out of manafort's ass.

the unreported income however ...

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16 minutes ago, hermetic said:

the money for the bank fraud seems to have come out of manafort's ass.

the unreported income however ...

Bank fraud charge was based on Cohen's lying on his application for a HELOC to get the money to pay off Stormy.

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19 minutes ago, Spatial Ed said:
36 minutes ago, hermetic said:

the money for the bank fraud seems to have come out of manafort's ass.

the unreported income however ...

Bank fraud charge was based on Cohen's lying on his application for a HELOC to get the money to pay off Stormy.

and manafort made up income.  steamer is confusing charges

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1 minute ago, hermetic said:

and manafort made up income.  steamer is confusing charges

Why did Manafort "make up" income?

Because he can't tell the IRS "I'm getting millions from Russian oligarchs to do their political fixing" ??

-DSK

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

Why did Manafort "make up" income?

Because he can't tell the IRS "I'm getting millions from Russian oligarchs to do their political fixing" ??

-DSK

I thought it was 'cause he needed to borrow money and didn't have the asset mix to qualify for the loan? 

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Just now, Steam Flyer said:

Why did Manafort "make up" income?

Because he can't tell the IRS "I'm getting millions from Russian oligarchs to do their political fixing" ??

-DSK

Wait....wasn't Manafort Trump's campaign manager?   Collusion?

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1 minute ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I thought it was 'cause he needed to borrow money and didn't have the asset mix to qualify for the loan? 

Same thing, nyet?

-DSK

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9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:
12 minutes ago, hermetic said:

and manafort made up income.  steamer is confusing charges

Why did Manafort "make up" income?

Because he can't tell the IRS "I'm getting millions from Russian oligarchs to do their political fixing" ??

the loan request was after the ukraine job, and apparently after he had already laundered the $16m (and spent it).  he had no income

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35 minutes ago, hermetic said:

the loan request was after the ukraine job, and apparently after he had already laundered the $16m (and spent it).  he had no income

OK, I probably assumed the income was ongoing.

OTOH the guy was bragging to the court about how rich he was, are we supposed to think that his income had been shut off?

-DSK

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Cohen won't accept a pardon.  Looks like the rat fink is going down the same path as John Dean.  He may restore his honor, like Dean has.

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2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

OTOH the guy was bragging to the court about how rich he was, are we supposed to think that his income had been shut off?

Yes. Whenever anyone brags about his money or his IQ I assume there's really little of either

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3 minutes ago, Uncooperative Tom said:

Yes. Whenever anyone brags about his money or his IQ I assume there's really little of either

 

Stable, Rich, Genius??   NOT!!!

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49 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:
1 hour ago, hermetic said:

the loan request was after the ukraine job, and apparently after he had already laundered the $16m (and spent it).  he had no income

OK, I probably assumed the income was ongoing.

OTOH the guy was bragging to the court about how rich he was, are we supposed to think that his income had been shut off?

manafort never said a word in court, the prosecution pointed out how he had lavishly spent the money he never claimed as income.  and he seems to have spent all of it - which was why he applied for a loan.  he is a stupid criminal - should have just kept all the money overseas. 

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7 minutes ago, hermetic said:

manafort never said a word in court, the prosecution pointed out how he had lavishly spent the money he never claimed as income.  and he seems to have spent all of it - which was why he applied for a loan.  he is a stupid criminal - should have just kept all the money overseas. 

Dirty Manny still has another court date on his Russian collusion.  That one is going to be great.

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3 hours ago, Spatial Ed said:

Dirty Manny still has another court date on his Russian collusion.  That one is going to be great.

That's the one where we find out whether the Campaign Chairman was a foreign agent.  

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18 minutes ago, mad said:

https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/trump-admits-he-knew-about-cohen-payments-later-on-1304279619562?v=raila

 

Any bets on when or If we see Melania in public with him ever again?

 

This will wind up being a Bigly Win-Win for Melanoma!!  She is rid of the lying, dirty, low-life creep for good, and gets to keep half of their tiny fortune!!

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18 minutes ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

That's the one where we find out whether the Campaign Chairman was a foreign agent.  

Fuck, the whole fuckin' campaign team were foreign agents.

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How can anyone continue to stand up for and support  this complete and utterly dishonest, twisted, dangerous shithead. It’s been beyond a joke for sometime now......

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10 minutes ago, corkob said:

How can anyone continue to stand up for and support  this complete and utterly dishonest, twisted, dangerous shithead. It’s been beyond a joke for sometime now......

I’m sure there are threads from the result of the election asking how bad it could get!! 

This far exceeds what anybody was expecting.  :P

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On 4/21/2018 at 4:04 PM, Snore said:

 

He will flip on every “cleanup job”he has done.

 

The question will be- Is the dirty laundry bad enough to get Donnie in real trouble?

 

 Seems you get the award for the most accurate prediction. The man said he would take a bullet but didn't say if it had been fired from a gun first. 

   

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11 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I thought it was 'cause he needed to borrow money and didn't have the asset mix to qualify for the loan? 

It has been apparent to me that Trump did not pay his acolytes much, if anything, beyond what they could invoice him for. Didn't spread the wealth. It appears he expected them to "earn" in whatever way they could using their association with him as leverage. I would guess this factored in to Cohen's easy flip. 

 In Casino the mob made the same mistake. They had the ultimate golden goose of Vegas but for some reason were too greedy to pay their enforcer and their bag men there. They were expected to "earn", and that "earning" was a key factor on bringing the heat and eventually that heat brought the whole show down.

 

 It's a movie based on a true story. 

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1 minute ago, Mark K said:

It has been apparent to me that Trump did not pay his acolytes much, if anything, beyond what they could invoice him for. Didn't spread the wealth. It appears he expected them to "earn" in whatever way they could using their association with him as leverage. I would guess this factored in to Cohen's easy flip. 

Doesn't that beg the question how much wealth there was to spread?

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3 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Doesn't that beg the question how much wealth there was to spread?

In the gangster business (watch any movie) the money only flows upwards. The goons below each level are fully expected to be shaving off their cut. Standard stuff. Same with corruption in Banana Republics: Money flow only upwards (all the way to the top) or somebody gets terminated. Take a little too much and you get extra attention from the thugs. Basic.

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18 hours ago, Remodel said:

He's back on the border wall, and trying to take advantage of Mollie Tibbetts murder by an illegal alien. Expect him to go all in on this one.

Much like Bully Gaytor, who opposed the death penalty more than Jerry Moonbeam Brown, I have to ask you if you would be able to sleep tonight if this “Suspect” was let out of jail and into your neighborhood tonight?  How would you sleep, knowing that this person, regardless of his immigration status, was in the vicinity of your daughter?  He “ Blacked Out” and “doesn’t remember what happened”, but hides her body under corn stalks?!  

 

What about her fucking “Dreams”?

 

  https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/us/mollie-tibbetts-iowa-student-autopsy/index.html

 

He went through E-Verify 4 years ago.  Wasn’t that on Obummer’s watch?

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5 hours ago, silent bob said:

Much like Bully Gaytor, who opposed the death penalty more than Jerry Moonbeam Brown, I have to ask you if you would be able to sleep tonight if this “Suspect” was let out of jail and into your neighborhood tonight?

Do you think opposition to the death penalty means get out of jail free?

It just means recognizing that the death penalty is never necessary and unnecessary killing is never right.

Violent criminals are let out all the time to make room for non-violent drug offenders. That's stupid.

We could just end the prohibition charade and lock up violent people.

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6 hours ago, silent bob said:

Much like Bully Gaytor, who opposed the death penalty more than Jerry Moonbeam Brown, I have to ask you if you would be able to sleep tonight if this “Suspect” was let out of jail and into your neighborhood tonight?  How would you sleep, knowing that this person, regardless of his immigration status, was in the vicinity of your daughter?  He “ Blacked Out” and “doesn’t remember what happened”, but hides her body under corn stalks?!  

 

What about her fucking “Dreams”?

 

  https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/22/us/mollie-tibbetts-iowa-student-autopsy/index.html

 

He went through E-Verify 4 years ago.  Wasn’t that on Obummer’s watch?

I don't know what your smoking, but if you could bottle it, you'd make a mint. Where did I defend the killer or belittle the victim?

 

Moron.

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7 hours ago, Mark K said:

 

 Seems you get the award for the most accurate prediction. The man said he would take a bullet but didn't say if it had been fired from a gun first. 

   

Thank you sir.  

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11 hours ago, Mark K said:
23 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I thought it was 'cause he needed to borrow money and didn't have the asset mix to qualify for the loan? 

It has been apparent to me that Trump did not pay his acolytes much, if anything, beyond what they could invoice him for. Didn't spread the wealth. It appears he expected them to "earn" in whatever way they could using their association with him as leverage. I would guess this factored in to Cohen's easy flip. 

cohen's plea agreement shows trump paid him over $300K for the stormy $130K.  that's a pretty good markup

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11 hours ago, silent bob said:

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He went through E-Verify 4 years ago.  Wasn’t that on Obummer’s watch?

And what does Obama have to do with how the documents were processed by an agency guy or gal during his tenure? You can only stretch your hatred for him so far.

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Just now, phillysailor said:
11 hours ago, silent bob said:

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He went through E-Verify 4 years ago.  Wasn’t that on Obummer’s watch?

And what does Obama have to do with how the documents were processed by an agency guy or gal during his tenure? You can only stretch your hatred for him so far.

FWIW, I am not sure you can pin ODS on silent bob.

My take is he is simply pointing out who was in charge, at the time.

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