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Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!

As Trump is privy to information we do not have maybe it has? Trump is known for doubling down so is he going to "walk away" or will NK get rid of its nukes? What can did the US offer NK to give up its nukes without bruising Trumps ego, nothing? I don't didn't expect NK to give up its nukes, put a stop to testing yes, agree to stop making more and inspections yes, but getting rid of what its already got is was going to take a miracle. The POTUS announced that NK has agreed to get rid of its nukes without the US giving up anything.

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IIRC, NK is agreeing to stop nuclear testing, not to give up nuclear weapons. 

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The POTUS says otherwise. 

"..denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!"

Would that have been your reply if any of the previous POTUSs had announced that.

He is the President with access to information very few in the world have.

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NK has played the west just like Nashville is playing Colorado right now.......

ill bet, there will be very little change, lots of high level meetings will go on, lots of meaningless talking and the norks will continue too do what ever they want. 

History is on my side.  

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8 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

The POTUS says otherwise. 

"..denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!"

Would that have been your reply if any of the previous POTUSs had announced that.

He is the President with access to information very few in the world have.

He has ACCESS, yes. But almost everyone can see Fox, which has all the information he actually pays attention to.

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4 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

He has ACCESS, yes. But almost everyone can see Fox, which has all the information he actually pays attention to.

That did not come from Fox.

It might be his negotiation strategy "I've told the world you promised to denuclearize, I'll lose face if you don't so denuclearize".

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21 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

The POTUS says otherwise. 

"..denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!"

Would that have been your reply if any of the previous POTUSs had announced that.

He is the President with access to information very few in the world have.

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump on Sunday claimed North Korea has agreed to “denuclearization” before his potential meeting with Kim Jong Un. But that’s not the case. 

North Korea said Friday it would suspend nuclear tests and intercontinental ballistic missile launches ahead of summits with the U.S. and South Korea. Kim also said a nuclear test site would be closed and “dismantled” now that the country has learned how to make nuclear weapons and mount warheads on ballistic rockets. 

But the North has stopped short of saying it has any intention of abandoning its nuclear arsenal, with Kim making clear that nukes remain a “treasured sword.” 

Trump nonetheless tweeted Sunday that the North has “agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!” 





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https://apnews.com/ce30b13866be4a96a0632f0e3e5ea555 


Last year was an exceptionally busy one for North Korea’s nuclear and missile specialists. In September, the country detonated a huge nuclear device that it said was a hydrogen bomb. 

This claim, experts said, was supported by the size of the blast, which caused a 6.3-magnitude earthquake in North Korea’s northeast, an area not known for natural seismic activity. 

Mount Mantap, the 7,200-foot-high peak under which North Korea has detonated all its nuclear bombs, visibly shifted during that last nuclear test, leading some analysts to wonder if it was suffering from “tired mountain syndrome” and was at risk of collapsing. 

If that were true, closing the site would be something North Korea would do anyway, although perhaps without announcing it at such a fortuitous time, if at all. 


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korean-leader-suspends-nuclear-and-missile-tests-shuts-down-test-site/2018/04/20/71ff2eea-44e7-11e8-baaf-8b3c5a3da888_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.56b51de6a2d5

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34 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

The POTUS says otherwise. 

"..denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!"

Would that have been your reply if any of the previous POTUSs had announced that.

He is the President with access to information very few in the world have.

Access, but does he read his daily security briefings, attend briefing sessions, listen to security advisors who, unless they have the iq of a head of broccoli, know more than he does.

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17 minutes ago, VhmSays said:
25 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

He has ACCESS, yes. But almost everyone can see Fox, which has all the information he actually pays attention to.

That did not come from Fox.

It might be his negotiation strategy "I've told the world you promised to denuclearize, I'll lose face if you don't so denuclearize".

As far as I can tell, Trump's primary sources of information are, roughly in order of trust and frequency that he uses them:

  1. Fox and Friends
  2. Hannity
  3. He just pulls it out of his ass
  4. The rest of Fox News
  5. Alex Jones
  6. The presidential briefing that has been dumbed down to one or two pages wwith pictures, graphs, and his name in big bold letters several places on the page so he'll keep reading.

 

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4 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

As far as I can tell, Trump's primary sources of information are, roughly in order of trust and frequency that he uses them:

  1. Fox and Friends
  2. Hannity
  3. He just pulls it out of his ass
  4. The rest of Fox News
  5. Alex Jones
  6. The presidential briefing that has been dumbed down to one or two pages wwith pictures, graphs, and his name in big bold letters several places on the page so he'll keep reading.

 

You have been watching too much CNN again, Porter. :D 

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17 minutes ago, RKoch said:

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump on Sunday claimed North Korea has agreed to “denuclearization” before his potential meeting with Kim Jong Un. But that’s not the case. 

North Korea said Friday it would suspend nuclear tests and intercontinental ballistic missile launches ahead of summits with the U.S. and South Korea. Kim also said a nuclear test site would be closed and “dismantled” now that the country has learned how to make nuclear weapons and mount warheads on ballistic rockets. 

But the North has stopped short of saying it has any intention of abandoning its nuclear arsenal, with Kim making clear that nukes remain a “treasured sword.” 

Trump nonetheless tweeted Sunday that the North has “agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!” 





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https://apnews.com/ce30b13866be4a96a0632f0e3e5ea555 


Last year was an exceptionally busy one for North Korea’s nuclear and missile specialists. In September, the country detonated a huge nuclear device that it said was a hydrogen bomb. 

This claim, experts said, was supported by the size of the blast, which caused a 6.3-magnitude earthquake in North Korea’s northeast, an area not known for natural seismic activity. 

Mount Mantap, the 7,200-foot-high peak under which North Korea has detonated all its nuclear bombs, visibly shifted during that last nuclear test, leading some analysts to wonder if it was suffering from “tired mountain syndrome” and was at risk of collapsing. 

If that were true, closing the site would be something North Korea would do anyway, although perhaps without announcing it at such a fortuitous time, if at all. 


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/north-korean-leader-suspends-nuclear-and-missile-tests-shuts-down-test-site/2018/04/20/71ff2eea-44e7-11e8-baaf-8b3c5a3da888_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.56b51de6a2d5

You guys are just nay sayers, Trump was recently briefed on the secret Pompeo-Kim meeting. Would you dismiss such a momentous announcement by any other POTUS, I'm sure @Hillary @Dog @Righty_tighty_lefty_dumbas etc will be here to correct you soon enough.

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48 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

The POTUS says otherwise. 

"..denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!"

Would that have been your reply if any of the previous POTUSs had announced that.

He is the President with access to information very few in the world have.

True but he is also a pathological liar.

So there's that.

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5 minutes ago, Righty_tighty_lefty_dumbas said:

I thought this turned out to be grand standing or just straight up fake news.

Fake news?

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38 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

That did not come from Fox.

It might be his negotiation strategy "I've told the world you promised to denuclearize, I'll lose face if you don't so denuclearize".

For your sake, I hope you were kidding when you typed that.  I doubt anyone who has been paying attention thinks NK gives a shit about President Trump losing face.

In fact, I have a hunch KJU is still a bit pissed at the "short and fat" comment.  Then again, KJU expanded our vocabulary by making us all learn what "dotard" means.

Yeah, sure.  If he tries that whine, they'll laugh at him after humiliating him.

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Just now, Righty_tighty_lefty_dumbas said:

Yes, something that is not what is reported. Like when dicks claimed they are no longer selling military style rifles after parkland shooting. They already weren't selling those rifles. That would be fake news.

I thought NK was already dismantling  the site or something. I don't read up on NK very much. 

The POTUS tweeted an official announcement that the NK agreed to get rid of their nukes, close sites and stop tests. After a secret Pompeo-Kim meeting in NK. All this without the USA giving up anything.

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I remember a time when the right lost its collective shit because President Obama said he would be willing to talk with KJU.  

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16 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

For your sake, I hope you were kidding when you typed that.  I doubt anyone who has been paying attention thinks NK gives a shit about President Trump losing face.

In fact, I have a hunch KJU is still a bit pissed at the "short and fat" comment.  Then again, KJU expanded our vocabulary by making us all learn what "dotard" means.

Yeah, sure.  If he tries that whine, they'll laugh at him after humiliating him.

I'm not kidding, I truly believe that Trump might try that as a negotiation strategy.

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Just now, VhmSays said:

I'm not kidding, I truly believe that Trump might try that as a negotiation strategy.

KJU will laugh at him and taunt him

You can't really think North Korea wants to make President Trump look anything but weak and ineffectual.

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58 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

You guys are just nay sayers, Trump was recently briefed on the secret Pompeo-Kim meeting. Would you dismiss such a momentous announcement by any other POTUS, I'm sure @Hillary @Dog @Righty_tighty_lefty_dumbas etc will be here to correct you soon enough.

Briefed? What...was it written in crayon? Did F&F brief him over the air? Or was a note slipped into his scorecard at the 12th tee?

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3 minutes ago, Righty_tighty_lefty_dumbas said:

That Trump is tweetering about a nothing burger?  Seems par for his course.  Is his handi cap on twitter the same as it is at marlago?

He is not tweeting "about a nothing burger" NK giving up nukes is pretty big. A huge accomplishment for the administration, surely worth a nomination for the Noble.

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6 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

He is not tweeting "about a nothing burger" NK giving up nukes is pretty big. A huge accomplishment for the administration, surely worth a nomination for the Noble.

Nobody has ever accused Donald Trump of being noble. Unless you're going to nominate him for the Noble Pease Price.

And I know you're being sarcastic.

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6 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

He is not tweeting "about a nothing burger" NK giving up nukes is pretty big. A huge accomplishment for the administration, surely worth a nomination for the Noble.

Yeah, apparently they'll give those out too any body with a pulse. 

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1 minute ago, Righty_tighty_lefty_dumbas said:

I mean if it actually happens sure i guess.

 

What did Obama do for his? 

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3 minutes ago, Mickey Rat said:

What did Obama do for his? 

Didn't he tap dance or something? Whatever darkies do.

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3 minutes ago, Mickey Rat said:

What did Obama do for his? 

Countered the ill will that Bush had managed to generate? The Norwegians underestimated the animosity he generated in certain groups which crippled him. High hopes, USA USA

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1 hour ago, Mickey Rat said:

You have been watching too much CNN again, Porter. :D 

Yeah, because it comes in so well on the boat here in Australia...it's on all the time.

Not.

You can pretty easily follow the trail of "They talked about it on Fox and Friends this morning" to Trump's twitter feed.

He calls freakin' Fox talking heads for policy consults FFS.

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3 hours ago, Keith said:

NK has played the west just like Nashville is playing Colorado right now.......

ill bet, there will be very little change, lots of high level meetings will go on, lots of meaningless talking and the norks will continue too do what ever they want. 

History is on my side.  

Oof! I come to PA, where I think it will be safe to not have to face my pain and agony overy my beloved Avs getting dragged across the ice, and sure enough, it follows me ...

And yes, it's one thing to agree not to do testing, but an entirely different thing to open your borders and reactors up to hordes of IAEA agents and 24/7 testing which is the only way to gain NPT compliance again.

"Giving up nukes" means going compliant with the NPT again, and that's hard enough for democratic republics, heck, even we don't like the IAEA agents poking around ... North Korea giving them sufficient access is so unlikely that I think this story borders on disinformation.

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14 minutes ago, mikewof said:

Oof! I come to PA, where I think it will be safe to not have to face my pain and agony overy my beloved Avs getting dragged across the ice, and sure enough, it follows me ...

And yes, it's one thing to agree not to do testing, but an entirely different thing to open your borders and reactors up to hordes of IAEA agents and 24/7 testing which is the only way to gain NPT compliance again.

"Giving up nukes" means going compliant with the NPT again, and that's hard enough for democratic republics, heck, even we don't like the IAEA agents poking around ... North Korea giving them sufficient access is so unlikely that I think this story borders on disinformation.

Well mike, sorry to drag the Avs into this, they played an awesome previous game, and I had hoped for more tonight, but they came out flat and it went down hill from there. I was hoping for a game 7, but no luck...... 

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7 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

Oh please don't.

I admit it was hard to leave the purple out but these days he has started to come out from behind his shell of memes and I've a sort of morbid curiosity. 

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

I think this story borders on disinformation

Its an official statement by the POTUS after secret meetings with NK, do you give no credence to the words of your president? 

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7 hours ago, VhmSays said:
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Sleepy Eyes Chuck Todd of Fake News NBC just stated that we have given up so much in our negotiations with North Korea, and they have given up nothing. Wow, we haven’t given up anything & they have agreed to denuclearization (so great for World), site closure, & no more testing!

BTW did anyone catch the Nazi dogwhistle in this tweet?

I didn't, I had to have it pointed out to me.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

BTW did anyone catch the Nazi dogwhistle in this tweet?

I didn't, I had to have it pointed out to me.

Completely missed it. What is the key word I'm missing here?

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4 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

BTW did anyone catch the Nazi dogwhistle in this tweet?

I didn't, I had to have it pointed out to me.

 

 

I didn't, so point it out. BTW do you really think the dogs heard anything? 

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9 minutes ago, Righty_tighty_lefty_dumbas said:

and this is the great thing, we said NO!, we can put a retard in the WH before we will let you decide what is best for this country.

The R ticket had many different options, but the best one was to put the dumbest piece of shit on the top and then hold it infront of h-dwag and show the libtard left that we control this country. 

Ready for round 2? because we are on a roll! Trump is your president and we will decide what WE want with this country, if you don't like it leave.

 

First he was the greatest thing since canned spam now he's a retard, even in your reality defending him is getting a bit hard eh? 

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14 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

First he was the greatest thing since canned spam now he's a retard, even in your reality defending him is getting a bit hard eh? 

There is a reason that the saner right-wingers took a voluntary timeout from PA. They saw the writing on the wall, realised the task before them in defending the GOP President was just too hard to maintain long term, and found other places to waste time on the Internet after the election. Trump's indefensibility would be, imo, the primary cause behind the fragile "instability" of the right-wingers we have left. 

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5 hours ago, VhmSays said:

The POTUS tweeted an official announcement that the NK agreed to get rid of their nukes, close sites and stop tests. After a secret Pompeo-Kim meeting in NK. All this without the USA giving up anything.

And his tweets are now are an independent and verifiable news source? :lol:

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1 hour ago, VhmSays said:

I didn't, so point it out. BTW do you really think the dogs heard anything? 

In various bits of Nazi propaganda on how to identify Jews, they describe various physical attributes generally associated with people of Jewish descent. Beyond the stereotypical 'big nose' shtick, other attributes such as connected earlobes (versus dangling), widow's peaks, hair colors, and one attribute was "thickened eyelids", giving a sleepy or droopy appearance.

So "sleepy eyed" is one of the phrases that is latched onto by people looking for Jews - you know, Nazis, and their heirs in the Alt-right. Apparently it's not an uncommon reference in the various white supremacist lairs on the web.

I've not verified this myself as I have no desire to wallow in those places. We get enough of their shitty overflow here with more than a couple of regular trolls that would fit right in.

But this has been verified by someone I consider to be reliable - Jim Wright. He did the legwork and went there to look.

Do I think the alt-right heard the whistle? Absolutely - Chuck Todd is Jewish, after all.

Do I think that Trump himself dreamed this up? Probably less so, it's probably something that the Nazis he surrounds himself have echoed around him. So he probably had help from people like Stephen Miller.

Full thread:

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5 hours ago, VhmSays said:

Its an official statement by the POTUS after secret meetings with NK, do you give no credence to the words of your president? 

I find him slightly more believable on this topic than the government of N Korea.

So almost no credence.

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8 hours ago, Keith said:

Well mike, sorry to drag the Avs into this, they played an awesome previous game, and I had hoped for more tonight, but they came out flat and it went down hill from there. I was hoping for a game 7, but no luck...... 

Young team, good future, but the Avs have 1 very good line, and 2 cobbled lines. Nashville has three stellar lines, they've been building to this for 8 years.

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5 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

and it's not even new schtick

the Donald has been at it since 2012:

Sleepy eyes @chucktodd is an absolute joke of a reporter. He is in the bag for Obama. He can't carry @jack_welch's jock.

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13 hours ago, RKoch said:

IIRC, NK is agreeing to stop nuclear testing, not to give up nuclear weapons. 

And they've never kept an agreement yet

Maybe if it's the Chinese and the Sorks making the agreement with them, they'll stick to it better?

-DSK

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I have to admit, I was taken by surprise by the Trumpies who initially said this was Nobel material, and we would all be in awe of the Donald like they are.Turns out to be something far different, but those of us who follow events in North Korea never expected anything would change, turns out we are probably right.

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Kim Jong Un is 'stealing pages from his daddy's book': Experts say North Korea won't give up nukes

  • Halting missile launches and dismantling test sites do not reflect a commitment to roll back current nuclear capacities, experts warned.
  • North Korea may stall future nuclear development but it's still widely expected to hold onto its current nuclear arsenal, they said.
  • Pyongyang, this weekend, said it suspended nuclear tests and intercontinental ballistic missile launches ahead of summits with Seoul and Washington. But that in no way means the reclusive regime will curtail or halt its existing programs, strategists told CNBC.

    Nuclear prowess is a crucial component of North Korea's identity. Not only does ruler Kim Jong Un govern the nation on a policy known as byungjin — the parallel pursuit of nuclear weapons development and economic growth — but the pariah state has even built monuments at nuclear test sites to memorialize past ICBM tests.

    The country's weekend statement, as reported by the state-run Korean Central News Agency following a plenary session of the ruling Worker's Party's top officials, also indicated the looming closure of a main nuclear test site.

     

    But halting tests and missile launches as well as dismantling sites do not reflect a commitment to roll back current nuclear capacities and hardware, warned Tong Zhao, a fellow at the Carnegie-Tsinghua Center, a Beijing-based policy think tank.

    When North Korea said it will refrain from acts prohibited under multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions, that doesn't mean it will give up the nuclear capability it's already attained, echoed Sung-Yoon Lee, a Korean studies professor at Tufts University's Fletcher School.

    If the pariah state stalls nuclear development at present levels, "that, in itself, is a bit of progress," said Robert Kelly, associate professor at Pusan National University. But like others, he said he doesn't think Kim will budge on existing programs: "It would be remarkable if they spent 40 years developing these weapons and then give them away."

    The news prompted President Donald Trump, who is expected to meet Kim in May or June, to declare on Twitter that North Korea had agreed to "denuclearization" even though KCNA's statement did not use that term or express that sentiment.

  • It's widely believed that the White House and Pyongyang operate on different understandings of the concept, one of the major factors seen complicating negotiations at the Trump-Kim summit. For the U.S., the term means North Korea relinquishing nuclear weapons, but Pyongyang may agree to do so only if certain conditions, such as terminating America's military presence in South Korea, are fulfilled.

    The North Koreans will simply walk out of the room if U.S. officials demand complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, according to Kelly.

    Kim's government may also be fearful of following the same paths as Ukraine and Libya.

    "North Korea looks at what happened to countries that divested themselves of a nuclear or weapons of mass destruction deterrent, and realizes that as soon as they sacrifice their deterrent, they will suddenly become that much more vulnerable to outside interference," said Anthony Rinna, an analyst at research group SinoNK.

    All part of Kim's plan

    Last week's promises are simply a part of Kim's two-phased nuclear strategy, according to Zhao.

    In phase one, the rogue state sought to obtain nuclear deterrence regardless of economic sanctions and political isolation, he explained. Now, the country has entered phase two, in which it seeks to keep existing nuclear capabilities and develop stable ties with the international community on that basis, he continued.

    For some, the latest developments are just another case of history repeating itself.

    Kim's father, the late Kim Jong Il, "played all the great leaders" in the early 2000s by calling for meetings with Washington, Seoul, Beijing and Tokyo only to offer them "repeated lies of denuclearization," said Lee.

    "Kim Jong Un is simply stealing pages from his daddy's book," he added."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/23/north-korea-wont-give-up-existing-nuclear-capabilities-experts.html

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I certainly don't like the idea that a crackpot like the current Kim has control of nuclear weapons.  However, when the US and it's allies, are all either in possession of their own nukes or like Japan, under the protection of the US nukes, it is more than slightly hypocritical to say, "Fuck you, we have nukes but you can't."  The hypocrisy becomes even more apparent when unstable fools like Trump are in charge of our nukes.  In some ways, I don't blame Kim for having nukes, it's the only bargaining chip he has and he has been threatened with nuclear annihilation more than once.   Under those circumstances, wanting your own nukes doesn't sound so unreasonable.  I seriously doubt he will ever give them up voluntarily, why would he?

I attended an unclassified briefing given by the US military on the situation when I was in Korea years ago.   While some Koreans want reunification many are opposed.  They are well aware of the economic burden that reabsorbing the North into the country would cause.  Germany, with it's powerful economy is still spending billions of euro every year improving the infrastructure of the former East Germany since reunification in 1991.  I have lived in Germany and Poland for the last 18 years and believe me there is still a very palpable difference between the East and West portions of Germany.  South Korea, which basically emerged from 3rd world status only after the 1988 Olympics has far fewer resources to take care of a country as deprived as North Korea is.  It would be wonderful if Kim would play nice, but reunification is unlikely in the foreseeable future unless it is forced in some way.  This factor also has to be considered when dealing with Kim and the nuclear policy.  He won't live forever and right now there is no clear successor.  Kim also has a somewhat tenuous grasp on his power and anything can happen in the future. In short, it is a very complex situation, requiring a steady hand and competent foreign policy experts, both of which are seriously lacking in the current US administration.   But in Trump's simple minded, uneducated view, this situation should have been handled years ago.  Of course Donnie, you are the only one that can do it obviously.  

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53 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

And they've never kept an agreement yet

Maybe if it's the Chinese and the Sorks making the agreement with them, they'll stick to it better?

-DSK

they've done so many underground tests the mountain is verging on collapsing. I suspect either 1) They're stalling for time until another test facility can be constructed, or 2) They've done enough live testing that they can now model the tests in computer.  They've only put a testing halt on the negotiating table...they fully intend to retain nuclear weapons.

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13 hours ago, VhmSays said:

The POTUS tweeted an official announcement that the NK agreed to get rid of their nukes, close sites and stop tests. After a secret Pompeo-Kim meeting in NK. All this without the USA giving up anything.

And now we know how Trump got elected.

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12 hours ago, Mickey Rat said:

What did Obama do for his? 

Became the first black POTUS.

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6 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Went there following your links, read how they reconcile their ideology with DNA testing. They are a vile subset of the human population and Trump is a member. "Sleepy Eyes" is an excellent example of a dog whistle, for those not in the know its an odd and lame attempt at insult but for the WS/nazis and their targets it is loud and clear. Surprisingly he is quite popular in Israel with Israelis disregarding his antisemitism and WS support.

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27 minutes ago, Mickey Rat said:

No, you are making shit up again.

Sorry, I keep forgetting your intellectual limitations.

Let me try that again

Became the first black POTUS.

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25 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Sorry, I keep forgetting your intellectual limitations.

Let me try that again

Became the first black POTUS.

Fuck off.

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1 hour ago, Mickey Rat said:

Fuck off.

Way to go Mick, you just kind of proved SJB's point didn't you.  You know there always a big risk to an onside kick.

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14 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

http://research.snip

Page 15:

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OK, I went there. Yech. Might as well take Righty_dumbass off ignore as do that again.

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I'm no expert on SEO, maybe Austin can chime in, but I'm told it's a bad idea to link to sites like this, because the Google crawlers find these links and innocently increases the page rank of them.

I didn't click them, but I can reasonably assume what's on them, given my druthers, I would prefer they slime their way back to the hundredth page of the search results.

I also went in and modified the names, because I think that a Google search on "that name" could even pull up this page. Given that, I had an idea ... what if we just changed the name of these sites? If we just start calling that site "wormfront" or "stormfrock" or something like that, then we could prevent legitimate uses (i.e. discussion like our's) of their name from increasing their Google rank.

I like "Stormfrock", it tends to reduce that movement to that of a little girl dancing in a bed of tulips.

 

Given all of that, how does the slur actually work? Does it mean that Jews look tired in their eyes, presumably from not getting enough sleep? Puffy eyes? Some kind of Asian/Semitic trait around the eyes? A thousand yard stare from having seen too much?

 

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35 minutes ago, mikewof said:

I'm no expert on SEO, maybe Austin can chime in, but I'm told it's a bad idea to link to sites like this, because the Google crawlers find these links and innocently increase the page rank of them.

I didn't click them, but I can reasonably assume what's on them, given my druthers, I would prefer they slime their way back to the hundredth page of the search results.

The site ranks as one of the top internet forums. In 2005 it was the 338th largest Internet forum, grew bigger when Obama was elected and surged with Trump.

In 2015, Stormfront ranked as the Internet's 13,648th most popular site, while the NAACP site, by comparison, ranked 32,640th.

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11 minutes ago, VhmSays said:

The site ranks as one of the top internet forums. In 2005 it was the 338th largest Internet forum grew bigger when Obama was elected and surged with Trump.

In 2015, Stormfrock ranked as the Internet's 13,648th most popular site, while the NAACP site, by comparison, ranked 32,640th.

FTFY.

Where does Sailing Anarchy rank? Surely better than that, no?

Aside, I was curious about The Thousand Yard Stare, and I remember that Tyler Arnason of the Avalanche aand the Senators used to have a killer thousand Yard Stare. So I googled that, and this popped up ...

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Google has tuned its algorithms and now these types of sites are hidden away unless you are specifically looking for them.

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1 hour ago, mikewof said:

Given all of that, how does the slur actually work? Does it mean that Jews look tired in their eyes, presumably from not getting enough sleep? Puffy eyes? Some kind of Asian/Semitic trait around the eyes? A thousand yard stare from having seen too much?

I'm not conversant in the use of a lot of slurs, nor do I spent a lot of trying trying to puzzle out if someone is Jewish or not.

In the case of Trump's tweet, I think the message is "hey, look at this Jew as part of the Jew controlled media attacking me" or some such callout embedded in the more blatant message. So it's not just that Chuck Todd is going after Trump, but it's that he's going after Trump as a part of the larger Jewish cabal acting against Trump, white people, America and the world.

Or some such stupidity.

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25 minutes ago, B.J. Porter said:

I'm not conversant in the use of a lot of slurs, nor do I spent a lot of trying trying to puzzle out if someone is Jewish or not.

In the case of Trump's tweet, I think the message is "hey, look at this Jew as part of the Jew controlled media attacking me" or some such callout embedded in the more blatant message. So it's not just that Chuck Todd is going after Trump, but it's that he's going after Trump as a part of the larger Jewish cabal acting against Trump, white people, America and the world.

Or some such stupidity.

I doubt that Trump is racist like that, nor do I think that he would consciously pander to White Supremacists. But he writes this stuff based on words that are stuck inside his head, probably from spending time around one too many White Supremacists. Then, rather than spending his Presidential hours working on policy, law, learning about the issues of the day, he spends his day like one of us schmucks in Political Anarchy, just writing a bunch of bullshit, and hitting the "send" button without subjecting any of his words to any level of expertise.

Yeah, he's one of us, more or less. But that's not a good thing. A President is supposed to be the smartest, most influential, hardest working person in the room, not some goober who found himself in office due to falling out of a millionaire's vagina.

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16 minutes ago, mikewof said:

I doubt that Trump is racist like that, nor do I think that he would consciously pander to White Supremacists. But he writes this stuff based on words that are stuck inside his head, probably from spending time around one too many White Supremacists. Then, rather than spending his Presidential hours working on policy, law, learning about the issues of the day, he spends his day like one of us schmucks in Political Anarchy, just writing a bunch of bullshit, and hitting the "send" button without subjecting any of his words to any level of expertise.

Yeah, he's one of us, more or less. But that's not a good thing. A President is supposed to be the smartest, most influential, hardest working person in the room, not some goober who found himself in office due to falling out of a millionaire's vagina.

And landing on his head.

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"falling out of a millionaire's vagina."

And trying to get back into as many as possible ever since.

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And the hits keep coming.  Spin away

https://www.graphic.com.gh/international/international-news/kim-says-us-troops-can-stay-in-south-korea.html

Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday

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11 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

And the hits keep coming.  Spin away

https://www.graphic.com.gh/international/international-news/kim-says-us-troops-can-stay-in-south-korea.html

Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday

Please explain how that is "a hit"? North Korea hasn't committed to anything yet. Most especially not the claim Donald made which is the title of this thread.

All that's been removed is a precondition for talks. Talks that could, as many have before with NK, end up going nowhere. But hey, see if you can hook your spin up to a turbine for us, the power generated would power a small city. :lol: 

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29 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

And the hits keep coming.  Spin away

https://www.graphic.com.gh/international/international-news/kim-says-us-troops-can-stay-in-south-korea.html

Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday

Well, that's cool, but what does it actually mean?

North Korea has a long history of making promises then breaking them, agreeing to something and then changing their mind, and making ludicrous demands so that there is no possibility of constructive negotiation. They are probably the champion drama queens of world diplomacy.

Now, they've agred to meet.... that's good. They've agreed to drop one of their ridiculous demands before meeting..... good. BUT IMHO it is relatively meaningless until an agreement is reached, signed, implemented, and inspectors verify compliance.

Does it mean much? What do you think?

-DSK

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Kim's got Trump by the balls. Trump can't lose this deal, it's his last chance. I see Trump getting the hotel deal and Kim getting Hawaii.

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Well, that's cool, but what does it actually mean?

North Korea has a long history of making promises then breaking them, agreeing to something and then changing their mind, and making ludicrous demands so that there is no possibility of constructive negotiation. They are probably the champion drama queens of world diplomacy.

Now, they've agred to meet.... that's good. They've agreed to drop one of their ridiculous demands before meeting..... good. BUT IMHO it is relatively meaningless until an agreement is reached, signed, implemented, and inspectors verify compliance.

Does it mean much? What do you think?

-DSK

My point was NK has long held that the US should pull it’s forces out.   He has removed that demand.  I view that as a positive sign.   Here is a thought maybe the Chinese are ready to include NK under their nuclear umbrella.  Which allows Kim a way to get rid of his nukes to China and save face because the protection is still there. 

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1 minute ago, Ishmael said:

Kim's got Trump by the balls. Trump can't lose this deal, it's his last chance. I see Trump getting the hotel deal and Kim getting Hawaii.

Seems the sanctions against NK are having a major impact.  Kim gets summoned to his only real Allie.  He comes back and starts playing nice by opening negotiations and offering concessions before they even sit down.  Sounds like someone’s balls are on the line and they aren’t Trump’s

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3 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

My point was NK has long held that the US should pull it’s forces out.   He has removed that demand.  I view that as a positive sign.   Here is a thought maybe the Chinese are ready to include NK under their nuclear umbrella.  Which allows Kim away to get rid of his nukes to China and save face because the protection is still there. 

There are a lot of South Koreans who think the US should leave, too. We've lost the propaganda war there, the younger you are in South Korea, the more likely you are to believe the the US is an aggressor, an occupying force, and that we started the Korean War and divided the two. I have no idea how the various SK political parties play into this but it's got to be a factor.

I'd agree it's a good sign they are dropping this as a pre-demand. But I don't think it means a durn thing, the NORKs make promises and break them as easily as scratching fleas. Going under China's nuke umbrella? That may not be any better for the US either other than that China is more stable.

 

5 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

Seems the sanctions against NK are having a major impact.  Kim gets summoned to his only real Allie.  He comes back and starts playing nice by opening negotiations and offering concessions before they even sit down.  Sounds like someone’s balls are on the line and they aren’t Trump’s

?? So now you're back to hollering about what a genius negotiator Trump is, again? For getting the same kind of empty promises that everybody else has gotten when talking to the NORKs? Tell you what, see whether any real and verifiable agreement actually occurs, -then- start bragging. Right now they're dangling bait and you're biting

-DSK

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1 minute ago, TMSAIL said:

My point was NK has long held that the US should pull it’s forces out.   He has removed that demand.  

As a precondition for talking. Nothing more. Kim got what he wanted. Another round of talks, another round of arguing for concessions, another chance to renege on any/all promises made at the table. 

 

1 minute ago, TMSAIL said:

I view that as a positive sign.

It's a positive sign, yes, in much the same way that a weak pulse is better than no heart beat. It isn't anything to crow about though. Certainly not a "hit" to throw up as a distraction in a thread about Donald's lie:

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1 minute ago, TMSAIL said:

Here is a thought maybe the Chinese are ready to include NK under their nuclear umbrella.  Which allows Kim a way to get rid of his nukes to China and save face because the protection is still there. 

Interesting thought. Apropos of nothing.

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15 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

There are a lot of South Koreans who think the US should leave, too. We've lost the propaganda war there, the younger you are in South Korea, the more likely you are to believe the the US is an aggressor, an occupying force, and that we started the Korean War and divided the two. I have no idea how the various SK political parties play into this but it's got to be a factor.

I'd agree it's a good sign they are dropping this as a pre-demand. But I don't think it means a durn thing, the NORKs make promises and break them as easily as scratching fleas. Going under China's nuke umbrella? That may not be any better for the US either other than that China is more stable.

 

?? So now you're back to hollering about what a genius negotiator Trump is, again? For getting the same kind of empty promises that everybody else has gotten when talking to the NORKs? Tell you what, see whether any real and verifiable agreement actually occurs, -then- start bragging. Right now they're dangling bait and you're biting

-DSK

It wasn’t bragging it was a response to the claim that Kim has Trump by the balls.   When in fact it’s Kim that is making all the concessions.   

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3 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

  When in fact it’s Kim that is making all the concessions.   

It's kind of Un's Family Modus Operandi to initially make what look like concessions and then use them as a pick.  We'll see if Trump's spooked him or not.....

TM, you're in range aren't you?

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1 hour ago, TMSAIL said:

And the hits keep coming.

29 minutes ago, TMSAIL said:

It wasn’t bragging... 

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4 hours ago, mikewof said:

I doubt that Trump is racist like that, nor do I think that he would consciously pander to White Supremacists. But he writes this stuff based on words that are stuck inside his head, probably from spending time around one too many White Supremacists. Then, rather than spending his Presidential hours working on policy, law, learning about the issues of the day, he spends his day like one of us schmucks in Political Anarchy, just writing a bunch of bullshit, and hitting the "send" button without subjecting any of his words to any level of expertise.

Yeah, he's one of us, more or less. But that's not a good thing. A President is supposed to be the smartest, most influential, hardest working person in the room, not some goober who found himself in office due to falling out of a millionaire's vagina.

Agreed, as I said earlier I don't think he's that subtle or motivated. 

But he's surrounded himself with racists and Nazis and wallows in their stink.

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8 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

_______ has a long history of making promises then breaking them, agreeing to something and then changing their mind, and making ludicrous demands so that there is no possibility of constructive negotiation. They are probably the champion drama queens of world diplomacy.

I removed N. Korea from your quote and left a blank.

Who else might fit in that blank?

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6 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Agreed, as I said earlier I don't think he's that subtle or motivated. 

But he's surrounded himself with racists and Nazis and wallows in their stink.

he first used the term in a 2012 tweet

so he either had the racist and nazi thing going on back then, or he has no clue to the correlation

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1 hour ago, hermetic said:
7 hours ago, B.J. Porter said:

Agreed, as I said earlier I don't think he's that subtle or motivated. 

But he's surrounded himself with racists and Nazis and wallows in their stink.

he first used the term in a 2012 tweet

so he either had the racist and nazi thing going on back then, or he has no clue to the correlation

Are you under the impression that some leapards can change their spots? Or more appropriately, that a skunk can change his stripes? Trump has been associated with racism since the beginning of his business career, probably before then except that none of the schools he went to admitted blacks.

-DSK

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2 hours ago, Uncooperative Tom said:
11 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

_______ has a long history of making promises then breaking them, agreeing to something and then changing their mind, and making ludicrous demands so that there is no possibility of constructive negotiation. They are probably the champion drama queens of world diplomacy.

I removed N. Korea from your quote and left a blank.

Who else might fit in that blank?

Hmmm.... that's a toughie

-DSK

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