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VOR Leg 9 Newport to Cardiff

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

Blonde women..Jodi???

no, the guy who had to rush down and change his questions because the finishing order had changed  . . .  or maybe that was the Newport finish. Should look it up, but just finished going through all the arrival vids (thanks Renny) and posts I'd merely skimmed or missed the last few weeks.

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No help there sorry, I tuned out for Newport arrivals annoyed. Cardiff live arrivals. SX will know her, he is a sucker for blondes with English accents.

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Thanks. No biggie, just one of those trivial itches that I'll probably never get around to scratching. 

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On 5/17/2018 at 7:48 AM, southerncross said:

[Ken Read] Any thoughts on the future of the race?

Well, the future of the race is interesting. Obviously, there were some leadership changes within the Race made right at the beginning of this edition. With any leadership change comes question marks, so I really look forward to sitting down with the current Volvo leadership (and hopefully the sponsors too) and seeing how we can help to ensure this great race carries on. There's a lot of us that have a lot of time invested not just in the sailing part of this but in the race itself. There is no doubt that it's a race that you grow to love, and we need this race to continue because it's really still considered the premier offshore race with stops, and we need it for the sport of sailing and for the development that happens because of it.

https://www.sail-world.com/news/205314/Ken-Reads-thoughts-on-the-Volvo-Ocean-Race

Sorry for the bump, but this is just too good to be buried. Read may be talking about development of sails and maybe Farr-designed boats, but the race has done so much more for developing sailors and teams. A Burling/ Tuke team leading a VOR next time would be compelling ;) 

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Still swimming in ketchup, but hadn't seen anyone note this fine scoop by Jonno Turner (is he taking over from Peter Rusch on the VOR news section?) in Gybe Talking ep 12. Jonno got some great quotes from Burling about being a newbie and speed improvements, like having to rely on feel rather than numbers with the wind sheer experienced this leg (Charles had also commented on this, as had Kevin Hall in another context).

 

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11 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

No help there sorry, I tuned out for Newport arrivals annoyed. Cardiff live arrivals. SX will know her, he is a sucker for blondes with English accents.

Jo Pickard 

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Thanks for the find about the boat electronics , Herman

Hope the other electrics are getting the same scrutiny. Can only wish the BoatYard would explain how MAPF's electrical problem was noted then missed in Itajai. 

And, Southern Spars is active in Cardiff, according to this feel-good clip, but wish they'd explain how TTOP's spreader root 'anomaly' escaped the NDT testing in Auckland. The most significant problem, MAPF's mast track, failed two days after leaving Auckland. Surely this deserves more attention, since it had the most impact on the standings.

 

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15 hours ago, stief said:

. A Burling/ Tuke team next time would be compelling ;) 

There must be a real chance of this.  PB is clearly relishing the race and showing he has some tough endurance characteristics that go on top of his short course talent.

In Cardiff, when asked in the quick fire knots questions to name a person he would most like to have on the boat in addition to the existing team he replied " I guess I would have to say Tukes."

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Burling just keeps accomplishing more and more.

Olympic Gold

Americas Cup

Moth World Champion

420 World Champion

........VOR one day?

and he is only 27.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Mambo Kings said:

There must be a real chance of this.  PB is clearly relishing the race and showing he has some tough endurance characteristics that go on top of his short course talent.

In Cardiff, when asked in the quick fire knots questions to name a person he would most like to have on the boat in addition to the existing team he replied " I guess I would have to say Tukes."

Yes. He and Tuke have consistently dropped comments about doing a VOR, at least since Capetown IIRC. And his message has been about how much 'fun' they're having. Interesting that they both see a VOR as a step up from the AC.

JBC would know which vids have even more good quotes http://vor.jbcsystems.com/person/peter-burling.html

Might be fun to imagine a 'dream team.' led by Burling and Tuke, like the Charlie/Mark, Iker /Xabi pairings. B and T have absorbed the TBRU and MAPF know-how, so should recruit Pascal for their nav, get Vila and Cape onshore handling the nav prep, Liz for maintenance ashore or as another Boat Captain from TTOP, Chris N for watch captain from AKZO,  and so on. Colman as OBR would be cool, if Conrad wouldn't see it as a step down.

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2 hours ago, Mambo Kings said:

Burling just keeps accomplishing more and more.

Olympic Gold

Americas Cup

Moth World Champion

420 World Champion

........VOR one day?

and he is only 27.

 

 

Yes, he is on a path to outshine Peter Blake.

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1 hour ago, Panoramix said:

Yes, he is on a path to outshine Peter Blake.

No one will EVER outshine Sir Peter Blake.

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5 hours ago, stief said:

Thanks for the find about the boat electronics , Herman

Hope the other electrics are getting the same scrutiny. Can only wish the BoatYard would explain how MAPF's electrical problem was noted then missed in Itajai. 

And, Southern Spars is active in Cardiff, according to this feel-good clip, but wish they'd explain how TTOP's spreader root 'anomaly' escaped the NDT testing in Auckland. The most significant problem, MAPF's mast track, failed two days after leaving Auckland. Surely this deserves more attention, since it had the most impact on the standings.

 

They'll be like Doctors, Stief and bury their mistakes.

But no doubt, like the professionals they are, they'll own them in private and adopt tactics to try and make sure they don't recur.

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4 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

No one will EVER outshine Sir Peter Blake.

Sir Blake didn't win gold at the Olympics, so Olympics + VOR + Jules Verne trophy + America's cup would do it IMHO, Peter Burling is young and might well do this...

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1 minute ago, Panoramix said:

Sir Blake didn't win gold at the Olympics, so Olympics + VOR + Jules Verne trophy + America's cup would do it IMHO, Peter Burling is young and might well do this...

He probably will. I've no doubt Pistol Pete has a huge future in yachting, but "outshine" Sir Peter? 

Sir Peter was so much more than a great sailor. Maybe Pistol Pete will be too. We'll have to wait and see.

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18 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

He probably will. I've no doubt Pistol Pete has a huge future in yachting, but "outshine" Sir Peter? 

Sir Peter was so much more than a great sailor. Maybe Pistol Pete will be too. We'll have to wait and see.

I agree there are so many categories of greatness. 

Paul Elvstrom

Peter Blake

Russell Coutts

Buddy Melges

all greats in their own right .

I think we all agree that PB has a lot of potential at 27.

 

Buddy  was in no rush. He won his gold medal when he was 42 yrs and steered America3 to win the AC when he was 62yrs . When the Wizard of Zenda was Pete's age, the  Whitbread/VOR had not had its first race.  Buddy is a youthful 88 but in order to catch him up, you would also have to win 8 iceboat worlds.  All special in their own way. Russell, Pete and Buddy have all steered for both a gold medal and an AC victory.

 

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1 hour ago, Sailbydate said:

He probably will. I've no doubt Pistol Pete has a huge future in yachting, but "outshine" Sir Peter? 

Sir Peter was so much more than a great sailor. Maybe Pistol Pete will be too. We'll have to wait and see.

Peter Blake is definitely in a separate league, he's got cult status even in France. Very few sailors can shine inshore and offshore and my remark was more a compliment to Burling than a to diminish Sir Blake achievements.

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11 hours ago, stief said:

Yes. He and Tuke have consistently dropped comments about doing a VOR, at least since Capetown IIRC. And his message has been about how much 'fun' they're having. Interesting that they both see a VOR as a step up from the AC.

They're clearly keen to look at a challenge down the track but with their AC responsibilities through to 2021 and beyond they may not make a (?)OR start in 2021.

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Rob Kothe and Yachts & Yachting managed to get Salter's take on breaking the record and the reason(s) they took the southern route. 

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Volvo Ocean Race record: How did AkzoNobel do it?

June 1, 2018

The Volvo Ocean Race boat, the Volvo Ocean 65 was pencilled by Farr Yacht Design in 2012, and seven of these monohulls sailed in both the 2014-15 and 2017-18 Volvo Ocean Races (VOR).

Amid discussion about a new boat for the next race, in 2021 or thereabouts it had become ‘de riguer’ to call the Volvo Ocean 65 slow and outdated. So, it was somewhat surprising when the Simeon Tienpont skippered Volvo 65 AkzoNobel set a new 602.51 nautical mile 24-hour VOR record suggesting that these boats are no slouches.

Jules Salter, was the navigator aboard Torben Grael’s Volvo 70 Ericsson 4 in the first leg of the 2008 VOR when they rode a strong Atlantic cold front during the Alicante to Cape Town leg 596.6 nm in 24 hours. He is the navigator on AkzoNobel and in Cardiff, and told Rob Kothe how the stars, indeed the race track, aligned.

“The northern route out of Newport was an option all through the build-up to the race,” says Salter. “However, we concluded that the models never quite pick up how weak the wind is up that way over the colder water, with wind shear and the lack of pressure.

“We figured it would be better to go south-east to the Gulf Stream and so it was.

“In fact, the wind was more left shifted and windier when we were still on the right side of the front on the warm side of it.

“Also, the orientation of the wind at the front because the wind was so far left shifted it kept us in the Gulf stream more directly, and it curved to the right, which helped with the Great Circle distance. Normally when you are sailing due east you are cutting through the stream but this time we were in it, it was not really strong but a good flow for most of the 24-hour run did give us a few miles.

“With a perfect wind angle and a long runway, we ripped off the miles quickly with the Gulf stream current adding miles to the 24-hour record. We probably had an average of 2 to 2 ½ knots, so that was 60 miles in the 24 hours.

“I think the key thing was the way the current also affected the sea state, made it smoother water, to begin with, so that helped these boats go fast if you are not digging the bow in.”

How long the Volvo Ocean Race Record stand?

How long this record might stand depends on the boat to replace or join with the Volvo 65 in the 2021 race.

The Volvo Board rejected then CEO Mark Turner’s plans for a one design IMOCA style foiling 60-footer and the new boat decision was pushed into the future – one of the key reasons he resigned in November 2017.

Now with the transfer of ownership to the management group within the VOR, Atlant Ocean Racing Spain headed by Richard Brisius, Johan Salén and Jan Litborn it is possible that there might be two classes with the race.

The successful and very durable Volvo Ocean 65 and another as yet unnamed class – but very possibly the much-loved foiling IMOCA60 as the VOR has already held discussions with the IMOCA Board, about making the IMOCA 60 the new boat.

Having two classes with up to eight Volvo Ocean 65s and say another 8 IMOCA 60s would certainly reinvigorate the race, although it would put strains on many of the current stopover venues.

So interesting times ahead… but it is worth noting that the current IMOCA 60 24 hour record is a much shorter but still healthy 537 nm set by Alex Thompson in January 2017 – though he did achieve this solo.

Still, in that context, the new record by AkzoNobel is hardly shabby and if two classes come to fruition it would certainly set the scene for interesting inter-class competition.

Who holds the outright 24 hour monohull record?

Comanche, Jim Clark and Kristy Hinze-Clark’s 100-footer set the outright 24 hour monohull record in 2015, with a 17-man crew, who after some months of waiting for the perfect weather window lit out from New York and used the same Gulf stream runway used by the VOR 65’s. This fat bottom girl is reputed to be the fastest monohull on the planet.

http://www.yachtsandyachting.co.uk/articles/volvo_ocean_race_record/

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On 5/31/2018 at 4:56 PM, NORBowGirl said:

WiFi should be good in the hotels, while you probably will notice that 4G is unexpectedly slow in Denmark. Them being a flat country and all,  they should only need one fucking huge mast in the centre of the country....but no. It sucks. 

:lol:

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On 5/29/2018 at 8:18 PM, stief said:

I just got home after an 8 hr drive back from Edmonton

Missed a bit of it myself, for the same reason... (road trip to/from Edmonton - conference at the Westin)

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1 hour ago, stief said:

Also applies to the Leg 10 thread 

Good description.

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