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VOR AUCTION - OPPORTUNITIES LOST & STILL THERE?

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2 hours ago, ModernViking said:

Chris is going for another round, Nicolai seems to like the show, and teams up with him.

Not sure Nico will be on board though? Sehested one of top individual contributions amongst all teams so great to see. Akzo Nobel have not unexpectedly let Teapot post race drift off into the sunset hoping everyone forgets their pre-race monumental ingoal.

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56 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Not sure Nico will be on board though? Sehested one of top individual contributions amongst all teams so great to see. Akzo Nobel have not unexpectedly let Teapot post race drift off into the sunset hoping everyone forgets their pre-race monumental ingoal.

I am not sure Sehested is skipper-material, but I do agree that his contributions were/are great.
I hope they are able to reel in a sponsor.

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20 minutes ago, ModernViking said:

I am not sure Sehested is skipper-material, but I do agree that his contributions were/are great.

Modern take your own list of the great ones (who ever they maybe) and then have a look at their first gig as Skipper. It would be quite a funny historical UTube Review.

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2 hours ago, ModernViking said:

I hope they are able to reel in a sponsor.

Nicho is hooked in with Scallywag at present IIRC...

 

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On 9/24/2018 at 9:19 AM, jack_sparrow said:

Not sure Nico will be on board though? Sehested one of top individual contributions amongst all teams so great to see. Akzo Nobel have not unexpectedly let Teapot post race drift off into the sunset hoping everyone forgets their pre-race monumental ingoal.

Not sure that one has finished playing out yet. 

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21 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Short Xmas/Hobart only gig?

Could be... next "The race" is pretty far from a contracts point of view. 

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Remember Pirates of the Caribbean, Cayards VO70 in 2005/06 sponsored by Disney. A year long race marketing window and a movie title with very short marketing window seemed an odd mix despite the bucaneer bit.

Maybe this sponsor space can be refreshed. Enter the series that go for a few years pumped out by content providers like Netflix and Amazon etc so maybe an opportunity door for someone.

Young Brit Sam Goodchild just got some Netflix money to get his Class 40 to the start line of the Route du Rhum. Without he wouldn't made it. Came 2nd in a Qualifier which shows money hard to get if your not French. 4th season of Narcos kicks off in Nov after the start.

 

 

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Not much there other than this and I suspect the Preliminary Notice of Race will be light on interesting stuff like route.

Entries in the IMOCA 60 class are competing for the overall race title while crews racing the VO65s will chase the first ever Youth Challenge Trophy, as a majority of the 10 sailors on the boat will need to be under 30 years of age, with a minimum of three sailors under the age of 26.

Every team in the race, in both IMOCA and VO65 classes, will be required to have female sailors on board through various crew configuration options.

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With T rudders and multi hulls maybe and then  not too many NZ passports.

"The interest now from a Kiwi perspective will be to see if a New Zealand boat and team can be produced with an obvious target being the foiling class, an area where Kiwi technology has been at the forefront of development".

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/107564033/sweeping-changes-confirmed-for-next-volvo-ocean-race

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On 9/26/2018 at 3:28 PM, jack_sparrow said:

 4th season of Narcos kicks off in Nov after the start.

"Nov. 16 to be exact. 

In a parallel 'it's happening in the real world right now', the trial of Joaquin Guzman Loera, the Mexican drug kingpin known as El Chapo, is about to start in Brooklyn, NY under extraordinary secrecy: the jury members will be anonymous and chosen in the judge's chambers; the government is planning to withhold the witnesses' identities until the eve of trial (some of whom are protective custody units in jails, others are in the witness protection program). "

2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

"The interest now from a Kiwi perspective will be to see if a New Zealand boat and team can be produced with an obvious target being the foiling class, an area where Kiwi technology has been at the forefront of development".

 

This is where I see Blair Tuke and Peter Burling (if they can work out the scheduling with the AC and Olympics), maybe Daryl Wislang as part of a NZ crew. 



 

 

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Tip and Shaft have a few more details about the preliminary NOR

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# 1 HOW THE EX VOLVO OCEAN RACE TAKES SHAPE 

The organizers of the now ex Volvo Ocean Race , whose provisional name is Fully Crewed Around the World Race , published Wednesday a preliminary notice of race to be followed on December 11, a final document. Tip & Shaft peeled it. 

A "working document" . 
This preliminary notice of race, drafted in close consultation with representatives of the Imocaclass, its president Antoine Mermod in mind, is above all, according to the latter, a "working document circulated to teams potentially interested in the race. an essential step that will allow us to exchange with more people in the coming weeks in order to reach the final notice of race and the gauge Imoca crew to be unveiled December 11 , date of opening inscriptions " . The closing one will be specified in this final notice of race, we have been informed on the side of the now ex Volvo. 

The Volvo Ocean Race is gone. 
The first thing that strikes us in reading this document is that there is no longer any reference to the Volvo Ocean Race, which gives way to the " Fully Crewed Around the World Race" (FCAWR), a temporary title. When asked about the issue, Race Director Phil Lawrence left it to editor-in-chief of editorial content, Peter Rusch , to answer: "The name of the race has not been announced yet, it is true that will no longer be the Volvo Ocean Race, but Volvo Cars will be a significant partner in the next edition in which he will be very involved . " As Johan Salén, the co-owner of the race, told uslast June, the Swedish group is still a partner of the 2021-2022 edition, which will change its title partner if the owners of the race find one from here. the. 

Two races in one. 
The announcement was made last July : the race will be held on two different media, Imoca and VO65, the latter is intended for under 30 - at least 7 out of 10 maximum of a crew. Why maintain the Farr one-design? "The VO65s have resulted in an incredibly tight race on the last edition, we know that there are potentially teams already interested in running again on these boats , we think they are an interesting option for some teams, " says Peter Rusch. Does this not risk to blur the message?"Personally, I would have preferred that there is only one class , says Antoine Mermod , afterwards , the fact of promoting young people and the mix is also a good thing. I do not really have a say on the subject . " And the president of Imoca to recall that the winner of the FCAWR   will be the winner in Imoca , the first VO65 winning the "Youth Challenge Trophy". 

Crews of five in Imoca. 
The debate to determine the number of team members was visibly lively, it resulted in the number of five team members, including a woman, or six, including four women ... not to mention the OBR (on-board reporter) mandatory, in the end, crews of 6 or 7 people. "It was not an easy discussion, because on the one hand we have teams that have existing boats designed to do solitaire or double, with very little space on board, and on the other side , those who have been doing the Volvo Ocean Race for years and put forward the culture of the race which is basically crewed, and for them, a crew is seven to twelve sailors, explains Antoine Mermod . this compromise to five that was tested onHugo Boss and Malizia this year on the crossing of the Atlantic, they found that it did it . " 

Homogenize the fleet. 
To reach the goal of 10-15 Imoca starting from the 2021-2022 edition , the organizers want a fleet as homogeneous as possible, so as not to discourage teams with boats built specifically for solitaire. This homogeneity goes through the crew gauge , being written on the Imoca side. "We started by rewriting the solo gauge, because it was time to make it more consistent, says the president of Imoca.This version 22, probably final, should be adopted in ten days by the technical committee of the "Imoca, the crew gauge will come out of this one, knowing that a first version will be sent to the technical committee early next week" . 
The difference between the two ? "You will see the broadcast, but as the objective is that the boats made to make the Vendée can be competitive on the next race around the world, we must make sure that the gauge is the least different possible, " says Antoine Mermod . Certain rules are already enacted in the preliminary notice of race: the race will be open to boats launched in 2010 , equipped with foils, equipped with a one-design rigging and a keel in steel. Today, the eligible boats are PRB , SMA and the former Spirit of Hungary if they are equipped with foils and change masts, that of Jörg Riechers (ex Acciona ) and Initiatives-Heart if they change their mast, Saffron of Kairos, Newrest-Art & Windows , Valley Office , Malizia , Hugo Boss , Ucar-Saint-Michel , Charal and the Imoca to come, namely Apivia , Arkea-Paprec , the future Hugo Boss , that of Armel Tripon, maybe one or two more. In total about fifteen boats existing or under construction. 

Budget limitations. 
It is one of the main battlegrounds of Antoine Mermod and Imoca: the "cost control" . For that, several levers exist, beginning with the reduction of the number of stopovers - the final route should be decided "in the summer of 2019" , indicates Peter Rusch. This is already the case, since the preliminary notice of race evokes nine stages maximum ,   against eleven on the last Volvo, including one that did not count in the standings. 
Another possibility: to supervise the development of the boats . "This is an extremely important subject, which is not treated very much in this preliminary notice of race, and the final document will be much more spectacular, " Antoine Mermod promises. For now, the limitations are the number of foils (four maximum) and sails (fourteen, two games), but also the autopilot . "It will be an identical driver for all, provided by the organization, only in compass mode , not in wind mode , says Antoine Mermod.The goal is to limit the costs on this post and to keep the character of the crew Volvo: have a pilot who could better bar a helmsman does not enter the DNA of the race " . In this perspective of "cost control", the president of the class does not refrain from going further: "For the moment, it limits for example to two sets of foils, but why not go to a single pair "We do not forbid anything" . Result of the races on December 11th.

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Here is the PR piece from IMOCA backing up the above post from stief. Stief translating is a pain so thanks.

https://www.imoca.org/en/news/2090-details-revealed-about-the-crewed-round-the-world-race-aboard-imocas.htm

Interesting bits. 

The King is Dead..Long Live the King

Volvo holding race naming rights is dead...best thing to happen to the race IMO and would have been a sticking point in transfer negotiations seeing Volvo Cars still writing cheques. Hopefully the race can be funded without needing a naming rights sponsor and where that clearly has been a teams sponsor impedinent for nearly two decades. Current title is "Fully Crewed Around the World Race" (FCAWR)..that is a mouthful. Actual race title will be one to watch with some French money sniffing versus it being a "cleanskin" like the VG.

Friction in the Kitchen?

The investment to date in the VO65, albeit it originally designed only to have a two edition life and unlike its predecessor having little value outside the race, was always going to be a sticking point in any marriage with IMOCA. Bit like the Brady Bunch and the blended family. It has been dealt with as a Youth class and not competing for the main prize. The question still remains though on the risk it plays in diluting the event and confusing sponsors.

Antoine Mermod, President of the IMOCA class has been far more forthcoming than the Swedes where he says;  "Personally, I would have preferred that there is only one class , however the fact of promoting young people and the mix is also a good thing, I do not really have a say on the subject".

The compromise on crew numbers for a crewed and shorthanded single platform was settled at five excluding OBR for the 60 footers.  As expected there is a quota of at least one woman and it will be possible to take a crew of six, as long as there are at least four women on board. That sounds very squeezy.

The VOR's platform of maximising not reducing stopovers with the rent a boat concept was also going to be a sticking point on account of the additional cost burdan. This appears to be settled with nine legs invisaged versus the twelve in the last edition.

The Where and When

So far it is revealed that at least one stopover will occur in the following countries: South America, Australia/New Zealand, Asia, the United States and Europe. This appears to answer the question about China but treats Australia and New Zealand as one not two stopovers? This could prove interesting with the inclusion of China and consequential leg distances. 

By indicating  the event will start from Alicante in late Autumn and  finish early in the Autumn of 2022 indicates it will entail longer stopover times and in less places. This would appear to address costs  attached to compressed stopover times and where there is no Boatyard resource to draw upon. This obviously will push the latter half of the Southern Ocean leg to occur later in the summer/autumn season not earlier as many probably would prefer. The In Port Race concept will also continue.

The Two in One Boat and How Many

Only IMOCA 60's  launched after 2010 will be admitted and they will have to be fitted with foils and a standard OD wing mast and keel. That would indicate a pool of up to eighteen boats to chose from including those modified and pending new builds.

Mermod is very bullish about numbers saying “Our aim is to bring together a fleet of between ten and fifteen IMOCAs for this event. “We are working hand in hand with the various teams". 

Limitations appear to be fluid at this point with foils (four maximum) and sails (fourteen, two sets) and with more detailed design aspects to follow. To accommodate the crewed philosophy and compromise on crew numbers, an autopilot will be allowed but restricted to compass mode only, not wind mode. This will free up one person for sail changes but probably offer not much more than that.

Still a Watch this Space Race

Until such time as the fine design detail, the course and team announcements start to trickle through, it is very much still a case of watch this space.

 

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“Our aim is to bring together a fleet of between ten and fifteen IMOCAs for this event,” announced Antoine Mermod. “We are working hand in hand with the various teams. Everyone is getting very excited and that should pay off.”

I haven't been following developments much re a next version of the VOR, because I just can't imagine any of the Imoca sailors I know actually wanting to technically de-tune and modify their lightweight boats to meet the projected requirements and to sail with such a big and heavy load of crew and provisions, way more weight than they were designed to carry, that they will be plowing furrows in the sea. The info published so far makes it all sound like a gung ho politically correct "inclusive" wonder event, even including the "compulsory youth" and "token woman" part!

The answer to "controlling costs", assuming no title sponsor with a load of cash appears on the scene, could be to get all these "young sailors" and "token women", to stump up a few 10s of grand each to pay for a position?   Oops.... that idea has already been done, its called a "Challenge".

Can anyone here list all the current "eligible" Imoca skipper/teams (other than Alex and HB), who are seriously committed to doing this race if it ever happens? I guess some of them must have? but as I say I haven't been following the gossip on this.
Also is Atlant Ocean Racing    http://atlant.studio-ca.se/   and Brisius, still the organiser? Nothing much on their website.

 

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10 hours ago, staysail said:

I haven't been following developments much re a next version of the VOR, because I just can't imagine any of the Imoca sailors I know actually wanting to technically de-tune and modify their lightweight boats to meet the projected requirements and to sail with such a big and heavy load of crew and provisions, way more weight than they were designed to carry, that they will be plowing furrows in the sea. The info published so far makes it all sound like a gung ho politically correct "inclusive" wonder event, even including the "compulsory youth" and "token woman" part!

It is hard to argue that, however the confusing thing is nearly all the owners/skippers voted for it and the organisation sounds very bullish about it.

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PS. We might see some pushback from IMOCA if China does get a stopover as forecast without having one or more teams. The length of race course, extra cost and tighter TWA's that produces might deter even the willing.

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13 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

It is hard to argue that, however the confusing thing is nearly all the owners/skippers voted for it and the organisation sounds very bullish about it.

I think they all voted that way with no intention of doing it themselves but hoping their competitors for the VG would go for it, ruin their boats, and leave the field for the main event better for them with their specialised, lightweight, single-hander optimised, machine! Anyway, I remain very confused and unconvinced. Also it escapes me why anyone should downvote you for that particular post Jack?  Belay the last part, either my pc or the SA website made it look like a downvote at first. Now it looks like a "Like".

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I see at the Yacht Racing Forum in Lorient the week after next, on on Day 2 Richard Brisius is speaking to "What future for the Volvo Ocean Race?"

Can't keep hiding forever and will have to come up with something meaningfull.

 

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

I see at the Yacht Racing Forum in Lorient the week after next, on on Day 2 Richard Brisius is speaking to "What future for the Volvo Ocean Race?"

Can't keep hiding forever and will have to come up with something meaningfull.

 

A shame the forum is immediately who’re the World Sailing Conference in Sarasota. Can’t attend both. Will be interesting to hear what Richard has to say. They need to get info out there soon.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

I see at the Yacht Racing Forum in Lorient the week after next, on on Day 2 Richard Brisius is speaking to "What future for the Volvo Ocean Race?"

Can't keep hiding forever and will have to come up with something meaningfull.

 

I checked out the Yacht Racing Forum website about an hour ago and did a "select all" on the program page (which was terribly badly laid out and almost unreadable) and pasted all into a word file so I could actually read it sensibly. I was slightly confused as there are two programs for Monday; presumably they run in parallel and you have to choose which things you want to attend and can't attend everything. I think the program I found with all the names include has since been replaced on the site as I cant find the same page again, and it is now clear on the site, which now carries a much simplified program page, that the Monday has two parallel programs, but the names of all the people have disappeared.
Anyway, for anyone interested I attach my version, with the names highlighted, as a pdf.

I notice the attendance fee for a delegate is 400 euros, although presumably the contributors get in free? Shame as I will be near Lorient at that time and would like to hear what is said but not at 400e!

It would be interesting to learn who will be stumping up the cash for RB and his sidekicks to attend as that would be a clue as to who, if anyone, is currently paying the overheads and outgoings to keep this VOR show alive! Presumably he/Atlant is getting some sort of "retainer" from Volvo or somebody?

The timing seems a little odd to me because on those specific dates the R de R boats all have to be getting to Saint Malo to be there for the opening of the Villiage on the 24th, so the commitments of the foremost Ocean racing teams in France may be more on a winter delivery trip rather that attending a conference!

CONFERENCE PROGRAM 2018.pdf

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

I see at the Yacht Racing Forum in Lorient the week after next, on on Day 2 Richard Brisius is speaking to "What future for the Volvo Ocean Race?"

Can't keep hiding forever and will have to come up with something meaningfull.

 

Don’t hold your breath. 

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12 hours ago, staysail said:

. I was slightly confused as there are two programs for Monday; presumably they run in parallel and you have to choose which things you want to attend and can't attend everything.

It would be interesting to learn who will be stumping up the cash for RB and his sidekicks to attend as that would be a clue as to who, if anyone, is currently paying the overheads and outgoings to keep this VOR show alive! Presumably he/Atlant is getting some sort of "retainer" from Volvo or somebody?

The timing seems a little odd to me because on those specific dates the R de R boats all have to be getting to Saint Malo to be there for the opening of the Villiage on the 24th, so the commitments of the foremost Ocean racing teams in France may be more on a winter delivery trip rather that attending a conference!

CONFERENCE PROGRAM 2018.pdfl

There is normally a technical program, and a wider sport of Sailing program. It generally works,  but sometimes you just have to choose. 

I have gone to a few and always found them useful... but I have always been in a program or company where someone else pays for the ticket, though I have had to sing for my supper on a couple of occasions. 

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