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List of crew positions for a 40' race boat

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pointy end , middle of the boat , fantasy land and cheque book .

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43 minutes ago, SPORTSCAR said:

Don’t forget Beer Ferry Fairy

corrected

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17 minutes ago, Sail4beer said:

Bilge liner 

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Nice shoes

I'm guessing somebody dropped the car keys down there.......

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Or the bag of weed.

No other reason to be down there at all

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Owners wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Mid said:

pointy end , middle of the boat , fantasy land and cheque book .

You forgot "He-who-looks-at-the-jib-(main)-as-if-he's-actually-thinking."

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5 hours ago, eclipsemullet said:

Anyone got a list of crew positions for a 40' race boat that I could use as a crib?

Don't take this the wrong way and I'm not trying to be snarky but if you have to ask about this you might want to get (or get on) a different boat.

I think it would be really helpful (to you) if we knew why, exactly & precisely why, you are asking.

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Crew positions on a 40fter can vary wildly depending on the boat and how the skipper wants to sail the boat. Assyms or Symmetrics, pedestal or no pedestal, runners or no runners... the list goes on.. all we know for sure is this:

5 hours ago, Mid said:

pointy end , middle of the boat , fantasy land and cheque book .

 

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2 hours ago, VWAP said:

Owners wife

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Send her to the Genital Waxing thread.

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From pointy end to blunt end: 

1. The Guy who does the Owner's Daughter (BOW)

2. The Gorilla (MAST)

3. The Spaghetti Cook (PIT)

4. That Little arrogant Prick who doesn't know Shit about  Sailing (JIB)

5. That Fat Even More arrogant Prick who doesn't know Shit about Sailing (MAIN)

6. The Consigliere (TACTICS) 

7. The One to  Blame if Anything  goes Wrong (HELM)

X. (Onshore) Ghe Guy who Keeps the Checkbook dry (OWNER) 

It all gets mixed up once a spinnaker is about to be set  but I think that'll give you an overall picture. You're welcome. Feel free to post some tits anytime! 

 

 

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4 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Send her to the Genital Waxing thread.

Isn't she the winner of the 2018 Midwest Swingers Championship?

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7 hours ago, VWAP said:

Owners wife

was going to green ya , then I saw the pic :wacko:

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8 hours ago, VWAP said:

Owners wife

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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They say “Many a fine tune played on a old fiddle”

You just need a paper bag and you could be away 

 

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3 hours ago, 10thTonner said:

1 - 8 The Guys who does the Owner's Daughter (BOW)

 

corrected...

 

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10 hours ago, VWAP said:

Owners wife

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proszę wybaczyć mojej wielkiej matce, zapomina, że minęło czterdzieści lat, odkąd była panną Gadansk
 
:)

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A better question: for a 40’ Boat raced (W/L on flat water, random buoys, offshore) with rig/sails (runners, overlapping Genoa’s, symmetric spinnakers, mizzen, staysails, canting keel, daggerboards, foils) for durations of (hours, days, weeks) 

what are typical crew positions.   

 

For Lioness, a CCA yawl, we can race 2-10 depending on the above: we generally don’t use spinnakers, leave the centerboard down, and set more sails, as crew permits. A watch would have 3-5 per, skipper, navigator not included. 

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1 hour ago, Ockaroo said:

A few different positions you can do on a 40' yacht

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I've raced mine solo.

 

I might shut up now...

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11 minutes ago, hoppy said:

I've raced mine solo.

 

I might shut up now...

Clearly intended for double handed racing.

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6 hours ago, Ockaroo said:

A few different positions you can do on a 40' yacht

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I'm calling bullshit on 2nd row, 2nd from the left & it ain't because it's anal & he's licking her feet. Anyone wanna take a guess?

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The crew position list will build itself by breaking down each maneuver and listing the minimum number of crew to perform said maneuver. I am not talking about minimum to do a booze cruise, I am talking minimum to be competitive on the race course. Once you know the minimum, you start adding helpers until you reach the max number allowed by your class and / or rating authority. It will be weight or body count. This method works regardless of the boat.

If you are the crew boss, start building a depth chart.

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11 hours ago, SCANAS said:

I'm calling bullshit on 2nd row, 2nd from the left & it ain't because it's anal & he's licking her feet. Anyone wanna take a guess?

certainly looks like a position only a porn star might have a chance of achieving.

 

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18 minutes ago, hoppy said:

certainly looks like a position only a porn star might have a chance of achieving.

 

Stormy and Trump?

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14 hours ago, SCANAS said:

I'm calling bullshit on 2nd row, 2nd from the left & it ain't because it's anal & he's licking her feet. Anyone wanna take a guess?

I think your answers are all wrong.

It's because no women ever wants her mans feet next to her head during intimacy. 

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In-fucker, out-fucker, down-fucker, up-fucker, and three random fuckers.

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20 hours ago, ExOmo said:

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Water Ballast. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, P_Wop said:

In-fucker, out-fucker, down-fucker, up-fucker, and three random fuckers.

Is this crew positions on the boat or sex-positions posted?:wacko::lol:

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10 hours ago, Que said:

Water Ballast. 

 

 

You forgot temporary

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A friend of mine lumps the entire afterguard into the category of "Vegetable Bin."

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6 hours ago, Gutterblack said:

Down here the main crew positions are arsehole, shithead, useless cunt and fuckwit on the bow

Isn't that backwards?

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1 hour ago, Landloc said:

Long time ago, I found the attached descriptions for a J109. YMMMV. And thanks to whoever ( from Boston area, I think) put this together.

 

J109 Positions and Roles.doc

That's excellent and detailed, even down to which pair of hands is supposed to run the lazy sheet free.

Belies the tradition that bowmen on sprit boats don't have anything to do except kick back in the Barcalounger and text insults to their fellow bowmen on other boats.

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42 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

That's excellent and detailed, even down to which pair of hands is supposed to run the lazy sheet free.

Belies the tradition that bowmen on sprit boats don't have anything to do except kick back in the Barcalounger and text insults to their fellow bowmen on other boats.

FB- Doug

 

Agreed an excellent, and thorough description. On the Soverel 27 we launch the kite from the main hatch, so slight difference there, and a bit smaller boat, so lesser loads than the 109.

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On 5/27/2018 at 8:11 PM, Snaggletooth said:
proszę wybaczyć mojej wielkiej matce, zapomina, że minęło czterdzieści lat, odkąd była panną Gadansk
 
:)

that's the first thing you've ever said that I understood.

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On 5/27/2018 at 4:43 AM, eclipsemullet said:

Anyone got a list of crew positions for a 40' race boat that I could use as a crib?

Back in the early days of SA, people would come here for information and get answers other than all the crap above.   Sorry 'bout my friends here.    I think a basic answer for a 40'er crew would look like this:

 

Bow (foredeck)

Mid-bow / mast 

Pit (cockpit area, puts sails up-down)

Kite trim - jib trim

"offside trim" (helper for above)

mainsheet

Helm 

running backstays

sewer (goes below to take down kite, fetch beers)

That's 9.   Thats how we sail our 40'er.   In general.  

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Actually the Ditch Bitch gets the kite down and the beers up

Don’t ask me how I know...

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4 hours ago, 1sailor said:

Back in the early days of SA, people would come here for information and get answers other than all the crap above.   Sorry 'bout my friends here.    I think a basic answer for a 40'er crew would look like this:

 

Bow (foredeck)

Mid-bow / mast 

Pit (cockpit area, puts sails up-down)

Kite trim - jib trim

"offside trim" (helper for above)

mainsheet

Helm 

running backstays

sewer (goes below to take down kite, fetch beers)

That's 9.   Thats how we sail our 40'er.   In general.  

Seems that "mast" is mostly "assistant bow" these days as winch farms have gone the way of the dodo.  Pit is key -- have often had pit (who frequently has nothing to do on free legs except pass drinks) call strategy and tactics -- they can see the technodata and have some time (outside of mark roundings and gybes) to look outside the boat.  Trim and Offside Trim, mast, driver and runners make sense.  Runners should probably be your most experienced/knowledgeable crew, but my experience is that it's often filled with newbies).  All jobs (except driver and main) responsibilities usually become "sit on the high side and think heavy thoughts" for much of the race.

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2 hours ago, Que said:

 All jobs (except driver and main) responsibilities usually become "sit on the high side and think heavy thoughts" for much of the race.

Plum Bob Squarre Panttes?

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12 hours ago, 1sailor said:

Back in the early days of SA, people would come here for information and get answers other than all the crap above.   Sorry 'bout my friends here.  ...     ...     ...

 

Yeah, we're not the men our forefathers were.

OTOH no tits were posted so I feel the exchange has been relatively fair

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9 hours ago, Que said:

 Runners should probably be your most experienced/knowledgeable crew, but my experience is that it's often filled with newbies). 

Never understood why people feel the most experienced crew should do the runners, this seems a waste of experience.

Typically it's a purely mechanical operation which can be easily trained, with the main trimmer asking for adjustments as required (and thereby supply the necessary knowledge). In many ways its a perfect newbie job.

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On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 12:43 PM, 10thTonner said:

From pointy end to blunt end: 

1. The Guy who does the Owner's Daughter (BOW)

2. The Gorilla (MAST)

3. The Spaghetti Cook (PIT)

4. That Little arrogant Prick who doesn't know Shit about  Sailing (JIB)

5. That Fat Even More arrogant Prick who doesn't know Shit about Sailing (MAIN)

6. The Consigliere (TACTICS) 

7. The One to  Blame if Anything  goes Wrong (HELM)

X. (Onshore) Ghe Guy who Keeps the Checkbook dry (OWNER) 

It all gets mixed up once a spinnaker is about to be set  but I think that'll give you an overall picture. You're welcome. Feel free to post some tits anytime! 

 

 

One of the funniest things I've read.  Well done sir!

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1 hour ago, JohnMB said:

Never understood why people feel the most experienced crew should do the runners, this seems a waste of experience.

It's not runner trim that concerns me, it's the transitions.  I like to avoid situations where lack of anticipation of a pending change results in a severe "panic".  The boat cannot tack or gybe without good coordination between the main/helm/runner -- any hesitation (or an override/delayed release/runner wrapped around the end of the boom/spaghetti in the cockpit/or any number of newbie mistakes) causes things to go pear shaped.  Light air?  Sure...Main can offer direction.  Heavy air?  Main is busy and can't come to the phone.

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6 minutes ago, Que said:

It's not runner trim that concerns me, it's the transitions.  I like to avoid situations where lack of anticipation of a pending change results in a severe "panic".  The boat cannot tack or gybe without good coordination between the main/helm/runner -- any hesitation (or an override/delayed release/runner wrapped around the end of the boom/spaghetti in the cockpit/or any number of newbie mistakes) causes things to go pear shaped.  Light air?  Sure...Main can offer direction.  Heavy air?  Main is busy and can't come to the phone.

Taking a newbie out in heavy air and trying to train them will always be a mistake. Getting a newbie properly trained with enough experience not to mess up in heavy air doesn't require getting them to be the most experienced person in the boat. It needs a fairly well contained set of skills, which can be developed early in someones crewing career.

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15 hours ago, 1sailor said:

Back in the early days of SA, people would come here for information and get answers other than all the crap above.   Sorry 'bout my friends here.    I think a basic answer for a 40'er crew would look like this:

 

Bow (foredeck)

Mid-bow / mast 

Pit (cockpit area, puts sails up-down)

Kite trim - jib trim

"offside trim" (helper for above)

mainsheet

Helm 

running backstays

sewer (goes below to take down kite, fetch beers)

That's 9.   Thats how we sail our 40'er.   In general.  

So that's for one 40 footer.  On ours, there is no possible way for 1 person alone to handle runners.  The winches are 8 feet apart, and the coordination on the runners is the only thing that keeps the mast up during tacks and gybes.

 

That's the problem with the question as posed, it gives no details on the type of boat.  "40 footer" covers an extremely broad range of boats, from Class 40's which are regularly single or double handed, to 80's cruiser racers, to J/boats with sprits, to...

Doing 'round the cans on an ILC 40, we need 14.

Bow

Mast

Pit

Sewer

Trim 1

Trim 2

Trim 3

Trim 4 / Pit assist

Runner 1

Runner 2

Helm

Main 1

Main 2

Tactics

At the end of an hour long, 3 lap race in 10 kntos, all 14 are spent.

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On 5/29/2018 at 11:24 AM, Steam Flyer said:

That's excellent and detailed, even down to which pair of hands is supposed to run the lazy sheet free.

Belies the tradition that bowmen on sprit boats don't have anything to do except kick back in the Barcalounger and text insults to their fellow bowmen on other boats.

FB- Doug

we do that too. 

17 hours ago, 1sailor said:

Back in the early days of SA, people would come here for information and get answers other than all the crap above.   Sorry 'bout my friends here.    

nah it's always been a pretty good mix of useless cunts, dumbasses, and a few gems of knowledge. 

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Ok, i was talking about the standard crew of seven on a standard 40 foot cruiser racer with a symmetric spin, doing short (less than a day) regattas.

On boats like these, you don't really need a sever rat. If short on crew, bow and pit can share the duties of the mastman (and the rat), and the main trimmer will happily call tactics. Oh, and the owner may drive. That leaves a crew of five as an absolute minimum for casual handicap racing. If runners are present, the owner/driver usuallly operates them himself so he has nobody to blame if the stick comes down... Roight, here we go: 

Bow (Mast)

Pit (Mast+, Spin Guy Trimmer)

Jib (Spin Sheet Trimmer)

Main (Tactics)

Helm (Runners, Checkbook)

 

Sportsyachts of that size are a different beast altogether. 

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5 hours ago, JohnMB said:

Never understood why people feel the most experienced crew should do the runners, this seems a waste of experience.

Typically it's a purely mechanical operation which can be easily trained, with the main trimmer asking for adjustments as required (and thereby supply the necessary knowledge). In many ways its a perfect newbie job.

Not on a fractional rig boat with a reasonably healthy sail plan.  The runner operator is sitting next to the driver and working the power in and out of the headsail in sync w/ the driver and the waves.  Lots of quiet talk.  Runner person usually has the topmast control to depower the main as well in sync w/ main trimmer.  So, a busy person who knows the targets with lots of control over pointing and boat speed.  

On mast head rigs, its just grind it on and keep the rig from pumping.  Different breed o' cat.

As for the "mechanical" part, had newbies back there who have nearly caused boat wrecks by overrides or not getting runners cleared.  The runner person can control the timing of jibes and tack, usually in a bad way, unless they are racing the boat in their heads and thinking forward.  

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We're making this very difficult.

There's the mouthy prick at the front who keeps tangling shit up, and all the cunts at the back who are making his life difficult.

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We raced with 5 on the Soverel 27 tonight, think we got 3rd.  1) Bow, 2) Pit, which all halyards lead to, so no need for mast person, 3&4) 2 of us trimming genoa and spin and 5) helm. It was light air, so perfect number, and weight for a light air boat.   When it blows much over 15, we need two more people to help with the strings, and for rail meat.

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6 hours ago, Left Shift said:

Not on a fractional rig boat with a reasonably healthy sail plan.  The runner operator is sitting next to the driver and working the power in and out of the headsail in sync w/ the driver and the waves.  Lots of quiet talk.  Runner person usually has the topmast control to depower the main as well in sync w/ main trimmer.  So, a busy person who knows the targets with lots of control over pointing and boat speed.  

On mast head rigs, its just grind it on and keep the rig from pumping.  Different breed o' cat.

As for the "mechanical" part, had newbies back there who have nearly caused boat wrecks by overrides or not getting runners cleared.  The runner person can control the timing of jibes and tack, usually in a bad way, unless they are racing the boat in their heads and thinking forward.  

Yep Yep Yep

Gotta keep the rig up and make the driver look good, not a place for a newb.

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6 minutes ago, Blizzard said:

I'm kinda new, but I found this by accident...

 

nice find...

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On 5/30/2018 at 8:25 AM, 1sailor said:

Back in the early days of SA, people would come here for information and get answers other than all the crap above.   Sorry 'bout my friends here.    I think a basic answer for a 40'er crew would look like this:

 

Bow (foredeck)

Mid-bow / mast 

Pit (cockpit area, puts sails up-down)

Kite trim - jib trim

"offside trim" (helper for above)

mainsheet

Helm 

running backstays

sewer (goes below to take down kite, fetch beers)

That's 9.   Thats how we sail our 40'er.   In general.  

+ Naviguesser

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17 hours ago, Left Shift said:

Not on a fractional rig boat with a reasonably healthy sail plan.  The runner operator is sitting next to the driver and working the power in and out of the headsail in sync w/ the driver and the waves.  Lots of quiet talk.  Runner person usually has the topmast control to depower the main as well in sync w/ main trimmer.  So, a busy person who knows the targets with lots of control over pointing and boat speed.  

On mast head rigs, its just grind it on and keep the rig from pumping.  Different breed o' cat.

As for the "mechanical" part, had newbies back there who have nearly caused boat wrecks by overrides or not getting runners cleared.  The runner person can control the timing of jibes and tack, usually in a bad way, unless they are racing the boat in their heads and thinking forward.  

Fair enough, I have much more experience on masthead rigs.

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On 5/28/2018 at 12:18 AM, ExOmo said:

Don't forget the ballast

 

Ballast.jpg

and the 1 open can is a sprite? Priorities.

 

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On 5/31/2018 at 2:31 AM, Expat Canuck said:

Doing 'round the cans on an ILC 40, we need 14.

Bow

Mast

Pit

Sewer

Trim 1

Trim 2

Trim 3

Trim 4 / Pit assist

Runner 1

Runner 2

Helm

Main 1

Main 2

Tactics

At the end of an hour long, 3 lap race in 10 kntos, all 14 are spent.

Seriously? 14 on a fucking 40ft 90s era racer?

Do you have traffic lights or designated waves for people movements when tracking?

I start feeling crowded when we occasionally race with 13 on a modern 46ft.

I'm sure hauling all that lard around the course in 10kn does wonders for performance as well.

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On ‎5‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 7:26 AM, JohnMB said:

Never understood why people feel the most experienced crew should do the runners,

...because doing it wrong, or not doing it at the right time, puts the rig in the water....?

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19 hours ago, Gorn FRANTIC!! said:

Seriously? 14 on a fucking 40ft 90s era racer?

Do you have traffic lights or designated waves for people movements when tracking?

I start feeling crowded when we occasionally race with 13 on a modern 46ft.

I'm sure hauling all that lard around the course in 10kn does wonders for performance as well.

 

Like he said, the runner winches are 8 feet apart.  Some modern, technical boats, do require that many, to be properly sailed.

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For the J125...it depends...

 

Offshore 5-6 people. Everyone is a driver and everyone is a trimmer. 

inshore/middle distance

Tactics

Helm

Main

Headsail Trim

Headsail Trim

Pit

Mast

Bow

Floater(optional)

Pit Assist(optional)

Midbow(optional)

 

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13 minutes ago, sledracr said:

...because doing it wrong, or not doing it at the right time, puts the rig in the water....?

really that needs 'The MOST EXPERIENCED" person on the boat to be doing it.

rather than them training people, driving, trimming? Is that how you roll, most experienced person always on runners? Its something I've heard said a lot more than I've seen in action.

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1 minute ago, JohnMB said:

really that needs 'The MOST EXPERIENCED" person on the boat to be doing it.

rather than them training people, driving, trimming? Is that how you roll, most experienced person always on runners? Its something I've heard said a lot more than I've seen in action.

Perhaps better stated that "one of the most" experienced.

Depending on the boat (i.e. "R" boat) , can be the Owner/helm if tiller and narrow enough cockpit to reach both, with tiller between knees, or a good afterguard task for the tactician/navigator which has less physical effort required in the tack, than the sheets and more need for timing and care. 

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37 minutes ago, JohnMB said:

really that needs 'The MOST EXPERIENCED" person on the boat to be doing it.

Doesn't need to be THE MOST EXPERIENCED.  Does need to be someone who knows their shit. 

Not a newbie.

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26 minutes ago, sledracr said:

Doesn't need to be THE MOST EXPERIENCED.  Does need to be someone who knows their shit. 

Not a newbie.

On 5/29/2018 at 11:51 PM, Que said:

 Runners should probably be your most experienced/knowledgeable crew, but my experience is that it's often filled with newbies).

I still stand by my original comment, which is what you responded to, and it seems that you agree that is doesn't need to be the most experienced crew.

On 5/30/2018 at 9:26 AM, JohnMB said:

Never understood why people feel the most experienced crew should do the runners, this seems a waste of experience.

 

 

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  Windy W/L 
1- Tactics (checkstays)
2- Driver 
3 -Main 
4- On Side Trim 
5- Off Side Trim 
6- Rail Meat 
7- Pit 
8- Squirrel
9- Mast 
10- Bow
   

 

Random Leg
1- Driver 
2- Main & Tactics
3- On Side Trim 
4- Off Side Trim 
5 -Rail Meat & Checkstays 
6- Pit 
7- Squirrel
8- Mast 
9- Bow
   
 

Offshore 150 miles and over 

1 -Driver 
2 -Main & Tactics
3- On Side Trim 
4- Off Side Trim 
5 -Pit & Checkstays 
6- Bow
   
  Offshore Great Team 
1- Driver 
2 -Driver 
3- Driver 
4 -Driver 
5 -Driver 

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3 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

Like he said, the runner winches are 8 feet apart.  Some modern, technical boats, do require that many, to be properly sailed.

Bullshit, no way in hell you need 4 front sail trimmers and 2 main trimmers for around the cans racing. That's 3 spots can be free'd up instantly, no problem with have 2 doing runners, combine 1 of them into a tactical role and theres a 4th person you can go without.

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