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They are restarting the penalty because he crossed the latitude limit while using celestial and DR as his go by.  Dumbest rule ever.  Is it just me or do Don's FB responses sound like this :"It is harsh, but I don't make up the rules"?

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2 hours ago, littlechay said:

Comical indeed. Nothing like a bit of drama :-)  I’d like to read the “grumpy old man” complaint “tweet” by VDH that was referenced in the FB comments!  Which he’ll supposedly “regret sending.”

Wonder where that would be?  (It’s not on his team FB page.)  A radio message from him that someone transcribed and posted somewhere?  Puzzled.

 

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There will be a jury as JL has turned his grumpy text (they are not tweets)  into a formal protest.  Don is too busy right now so he is going to have a think about and meet with himself later. 

 

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6 hours ago, littlechay said:

 Don is too busy right now so he is going to have a think about and meet with himself later. 

 

 

It's too bad there's no laughing emoji.  What a mess.  

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I'm starting to wonder if Kopar might be able to make a move on Uku for third.  That seems more likely than Slats catching VDH.  Not that Slats isn't doing well, but if VDH's rig stays intact I can't see him closing the gap.

Tapio seems to have been cursed to sail upwind for the last 2-3 months.  

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5 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Sail south for a few hours, tack, head north a few hours, head south, etc.  How hard can it be without GPS?

You are not allowing for current.

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On 1/4/2019 at 7:40 AM, jack_sparrow said:

However from this point if Slats maintains his current course of 355 degrees he will be sailing around 10/15 degrees higher than Heede did in the same period so there is a prospect that leverage may increase.

. ....The next 10 days are critical for Slats. He has to sail around 10/15 degrees higher than Heede in the same period plus not slow. The former is doable subject to weather, the last bit will be the hard bit with a doldrums exit still to do.

 Approaching day 3/10 Slatts is doing exactly that..he also may even be over the hump already.

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7 hours ago, spyderpig said:

You are not allowing for current.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted - even so, seems to me he should’ve easily been able to do it sans GPS (VDH should’ve allowed for possible current! :-)  By sailing further south before tacking north...!  )

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17 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Yeah, I realized that after I posted - even so, seems to me he should’ve easily been able to do it sans GPS (VDH should’ve allowed for possible current! :-)  By sailing further south before tacking north...!  )

Only if he knew it was there ;)

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51 minutes ago, littlechay said:

Only if he knew it was there ;)

Fair enough.  I just meant I’m a bit surprised VDH wouldn’t have left just a bit more margin for “error” - which clearly this was on his part.  If, as VDH complained, “Ils exigent une precision comme un GPS”, he should’ve been more careful, IMO.  20*N is, indeed, precise :-)

As we can plainly see, it’s part of an Anglo Master Plan to deny a Gallic victory, at all costs.  That’s what the sages on FB are saying anyway :-) :-)

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1 hour ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Yeah, I realized that after I posted - even so, seems to me he should’ve easily been able to do it sans GPS (VDH should’ve allowed for possible current! :-)  By sailing further south before tacking north...!  )

The rule as it stands is not well written (just like a lot of the NOR). Jean-Luc is right that you need a GPS to be able to serve the penalty. Without it or notification from Race Control you stand every chance of over-serving the penalty. Also adding the 3 hours he was North of the line is ridiculous. The important point is that he is below the line at the end of the penalty period, it matters not a jot where he was in between the start and the end of the penalty period. (Not aimed at you Jud, I just needed say this as the whole penalty thing has put JL in a nasty hole which could cost him a lot of miles).

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1 hour ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

it’s part of an Anglo Master Plan to deny a Gallic victory, at all costs

Yeah, but didn't some bright spark on Facepalm say that Slats was English ?  Haha .... Cloggy victory then.  La victoire des sabots :o   Breaking news, you read it here first !!

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OMG How can I be surprised at this fuck up by GGR.....Oh I can't for I had called this before it happened.  This was a shit manner of penalty applied in a way that a non GPS boat  cannot hope to comply with without extending the penalty even further.

I think I remember reading up thread that he would be told when the penalty starts and if so, why then not tell him when he is close to violating it so he can correct and still perform the requirement.

The proper way to have applied this would have been to..Don.....SHUT THE FUCK UP...and let the racer figure it out him or her self.  You know, like they would had to in 19 fucking 68 before they carried YB trackers on board like big brother.  You forced 18 hours on a man who's crime was wanting to talk to loved ones mainly, because he was not in a nice moment.  Fine, be the Ass and give him 18 hours, but in truth, had you done this the proper way it would have been up to 24 as he ensured buffers related to DR and sextant navigation.

I was hard pressed to see how this race could get more embarrassing, but Don has done a fine job to take it down one more notch.  JLH has put on a master class on how to do even a POS race like this and his "reward" is to have some self centered narcissist get to play God in an attempt to shape the outcome of this race.

He should not have called it the GGR, but WWE. 

I know he won't do it, but I would cheer if Heede, first in hand, would get 100 ft from the finish, tack away and tell Done to go fuck himself.

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So is this ridiculous penalty over and done with?

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Sorry for asking, but was the foul this time?  I can’t be fucked to keep up to date with the rule changes all rime. 

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1 hour ago, mad said:

Sorry for asking, but was the foul this time?  I can’t be fucked to keep up to date with the rule changes all rime. 

I believe the 18-hour penalty is because he called his wife on the sat phone after rolling to 150 degrees and damaging his mast, to let her know he wasn't dead.  I thought the penalty enforcement was to be enforced upon reaching 40N, but apparently it was at 20N.  The trouble was that he was required to dip back below 20N for 18 hours after crossing it, and stay below it for 18 hours...  and without being allowed to use GPS, it turned out he spent hours north of 20N, thinking he was serving his penalty, when in fact he wasn't yet.

Anyway...  it's over and done with now.  He can race Slats to the finish straight-up.

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The penalty has been hanging over his head for months. There is only one penalty box I think.

Mom was just quicker than me.

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Tapio appears to be below 46S.  Was that line waived permanently?  I thought it was just temporary for the 2 or 3 boats that were given permission to dive south to avoid storms.

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7 hours ago, spyderpig said:

The rule as it stands is not well written (just like a lot of the NOR). Jean-Luc is right that you need a GPS to be able to serve the penalty. 

Why do you need a GPS? The RO rang him up the other day - said, basically, “hey, dude, you’ll cross 20N at 0010, so then head back south and, using DR, stay below 20N for 18 hrs.” How hard can it be?  VDH basically fucked up by not going far enough south, not giving himself plenty of margin, before turning around, and he didn’t know (he couldn’t have) that there was a current, which carried him above 20N for ~3 hrs.  The way I see it is he should’ve been more cognizant, but probably was tired, it was night, etc.  He fucked up —not majorly— and it’s a stupid penalty, but he did.  I mean, he hasn’t needed a GPS so far to get around and stay out of the “no go” zones in southern S. Pacific...

Anyway...moving on...his problem now really seems to be lack of wind (and compromised mast), as Slats tries to hunt him down.

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5 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Tapio appears to be below 46S.  Was that line waived permanently?  I thought it was just temporary for the 2 or 3 boats that were given permission to dive south to avoid storms.

Looks like you’re right. The RO is probably still asleep in France at the moment (0145), unaware.  

Quick - somebody fire off a text to Tapio - or he’ll be doing the 20N penalty dance later on in the Atlantic too!! :-)

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53 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Looks like you’re right. The RO is probably still asleep in France at the moment (0145), unaware.  

Quick - somebody fire off a text to Tapio - or he’ll be doing the 20N penalty dance later on in the Atlantic too!! :-)

Well, the fact is that these boats are so slow that just requiring them to do 720° circles would be a severe punishment for almost any infraction.  

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2 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Why do you need a GPS? The RO rang him up the other day - said, basically, “hey, dude, you’ll cross 20N at 0010, so then head back south and, using DR, stay below 20N for 18 hrs.” How hard can it be?  VDH basically fucked up by not going far enough south, not giving himself plenty of margin, before turning around, and he didn’t know (he couldn’t have) that there was a current, which carried him above 20N for ~3 hrs.  The way I see it is he should’ve been more cognizant, but probably was tired, it was night, etc.  He fucked up —not majorly— and it’s a stupid penalty, but he did.  I mean, he hasn’t needed a GPS so far to get around and stay out of the “no go” zones in southern S. Pacific...

Anyway...moving on...his problem now really seems to be lack of wind (and compromised mast), as Slats tries to hunt him down.

See, the hiccup in that logic is that the RO "rang up" the competitor to tell him, within a very close distance", time to turn south.  Now, You're on a boat, not GPS, no way to know, in that moment were you are...exactly, and yet you turn south.

How far south.  At what angle?  maybe it is night and no stars so it is all DR....maybe you get a sight (if you are sharp), but still have to go to DR.  You sail south.

Can you see the lines on the ocean?

You sail south as best you can with a broken mast.  You look at a watch, you gauge the average speed, you turn back thinking...Current speed, time heading south, (was my course good?) and head back thinking you are ticking off a penalty (one that is bullshit).

The RO told him when to start, the RO is watching his course, the RO has the ability to then tell him....no...stop..you are not done.  he does not.

Do not throw this on a man who has sailed a few thousand miles, after getting pitchpoled and repairing a mast and sailing a few thousand more, and say "you didn't need a GPS"...when the POS RO told him when to start.

If his penalty is vacated and it's back to a one on race, then I'll still put money on the old man.

btw, from past reading, the RO was apt to tell boats if they were going to hit the no go zone so your point there is not quite correct.  The rest of it, he had good weather support and knew where to put his boat when.

Don fucked up...not Heede.

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50 minutes ago, bucc5062 said:


Don fucked  is a fuck up...not Heede.

FIFY

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9 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Looks like you’re right. The RO is probably still asleep in France at the moment (0145), unaware.  

Quick - somebody fire off a text to Tapio - or he’ll be doing the 20N penalty dance later on in the Atlantic too!! :-)

By the time Tapio reaches 20N all other boats are at home. Will Don still bother with penalties and will somebody be still following Tapio's slow progress?

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7 hours ago, Joakim said:

By the time Tapio reaches 20N all other boats are at home. Will Don still bother with penalties and will somebody be still following Tapio's slow progress?

In yesterday's skipper updates, Don indicated that Tapio has wondered if he might break the record for slowest circumnavigation.  I'm not sure if he's serious or not, nor whether Tapio actually said something like that (versus Don speculating that Tapio must be thinking that, or something along those lines).  Since the whole race is a novelty anyway, I find the question interesting.  It's a difficult "record" to define...  I assume we'd have to be talking about a solo record starting and finishing in Europe without using the Panama Canal...  and either truly nonstop or at least with no assistance or landfall during stoppages.  Something along those lines..  Similar to the rules to be ratified for the "fastest solo non-stop circumnavigation" record, just on the slow end instead.  Anyone have any idea what the record would be?

The slowest I can find are RKJ on Suhali at 313 days Eastabout, and Wilfried Erdmann on Kathena Nui Westabout in 343 days (2000-2001).  I found slower circumnavigations, but they seem to all be with stops and/or crewed and/or not on what I understand to be a qualifying route (but perhaps I'm wrong about what qualifies a route).

So...  has anyone done a qualifying solo non-stop voyage Eastabout SLOWER than Suhali?  Or in either direction slower than Kathena Nui?  Just how slow would Tapio have to be in order to claim the distinction?  (And...  does he have enough food to do it?)

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1 hour ago, Your Mom said:

In yesterday's skipper updates, Don indicated that Tapio has wondered if he might break the record for slowest circumnavigation.  I'm not sure if he's serious or not, nor whether Tapio actually said something like that (versus Don speculating that Tapio must be thinking that, or something along those lines).  Since the whole race is a novelty anyway, I find the question interesting.  It's a difficult "record" to define...  I assume we'd have to be talking about a solo record starting and finishing in Europe without using the Panama Canal...  and either truly nonstop or at least with no assistance or landfall during stoppages.  Something along those lines..  Similar to the rules to be ratified for the "fastest solo non-stop circumnavigation" record, just on the slow end instead.  Anyone have any idea what the record would be?

The slowest I can find are RKJ on Suhali at 313 days Eastabout, and Wilfried Erdmann on Kathena Nui Westabout in 343 days (2000-2001).  I found slower circumnavigations, but they seem to all be with stops and/or crewed and/or not on what I understand to be a qualifying route (but perhaps I'm wrong about what qualifies a route).

So...  has anyone done a qualifying solo non-stop voyage Eastabout SLOWER than Suhali?  Or in either direction slower than Kathena Nui?  Just how slow would Tapio have to be in order to claim the distinction?  (And...  does he have enough food to do it?)

Well, I doubt he's even in the running for that "award".  For example, I started sailing in the 1970's and haven't made it even a third of the way around yet.

And then, there is always Reed Stowe, who was accompanied by his Parmesan Cheeseball, so I guess that wasn't single-handed.  

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19 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Well, I doubt he's even in the running for that "award".  For example, I started sailing in the 1970's and haven't made it even a third of the way around yet.

And then, there is always Reed Stowe, who was accompanied by his Parmesan Cheeseball, so I guess that wasn't single-handed.  

Hence the need to qualify with the same standards as a fastest "solo nonstop circumnavigation".  I assume you haven't been going nonstop since the 70s.  ;)

Has anyone done it slower, solo nonstop, than RKJ and Erdmann?

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I set about swimming around the world. Unfortunately I abandoned after getting a cramp after 100 metres, actually only 50m because I waded the first 50. Anyway if it helps my calculations were 3-5 years with antifouling, 4-6 without.

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20 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Why do you need a GPS? The RO rang him up the other day - said, basically, “hey, dude, you’ll cross 20N at 0010, so then head back south and, using DR, stay below 20N for 18 hrs.” How hard can it be?  VDH basically fucked up by not going far enough south, not giving himself plenty of margin, before turning around, and he didn’t know (he couldn’t have) that there was a current, which carried him above 20N for ~3 hrs.  The way I see it is he should’ve been more cognizant, but probably was tired, it was night, etc.  He fucked up —not majorly— and it’s a stupid penalty, but he did.  I mean, he hasn’t needed a GPS so far to get around and stay out of the “no go” zones in southern S. Pacific...

Anyway...moving on...his problem now really seems to be lack of wind (and compromised mast), as Slats tries to hunt him down.

This is all a storm in a teacup. The rule is shit. It should have read something along the lines of "on passing 20N the vessel shall loiter in the area before again passing South to North across 20N after 18 hours have passed, and within 40NM of the original point". This would allow the competitor to tack back and forth across the line as JL was doing and result in exactly the same time penalty without requiring such precise navigation. 

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20 hours ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Looks like you’re right. The RO is probably still asleep in France at the moment (0145), unaware.  

Quick - somebody fire off a text to Tapio - or he’ll be doing the 20N penalty dance later on in the Atlantic too!! :-)

Picking up on Tapio again, I wonder why he’s still below the no-go zone line/latitude - and why no mention of it.  I dug back a few days on GGR FB site and saw no mention of him being given an allowance (as Istvan was earlier, to avoid a storm).

Am I missing something?  Tracker inaccurate?

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13 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Picking up on Tapio again, I wonder why he’s still below the no-go zone line/latitude - and why no mention of it.  I dug back a few days on GGR FB site and saw no mention of him being given an allowance (as Istvan was earlier, to avoid a storm).

Am I missing something?  Tracker inaccurate?

The no-go-zone was lifted for the Tapio's Ark (weekly satellite call) because of an approaching storm. Later storm vanished. And only "now" he has crossed the forbidden line.
Only the RO knows if the no-no-zone was lifted only for that storm or generally. I see the Ark being too slow and as such a safety risk for itself, sooner Tapio gets away better.
 
0800Z 4.8 knots was likely his record since Hobart.

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53 minutes ago, littlechay said:

This is all a storm in a teacup. The rule is shit. It should have read something along the lines of "on passing 20N the vessel shall loiter in the area before again passing South to North across 20N after 18 hours have passed, and within 40NM of the original point". This would allow the competitor to tack back and forth across the line as JL was doing and result in exactly the same time penalty without requiring such precise navigation. 

Could have stopped right there.

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3 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Hence the need to qualify with the same standards as a fastest "solo nonstop circumnavigation".  I assume you haven't been going nonstop since the 70s.  ;)

Has anyone done it slower, solo nonstop, than RKJ and Erdmann?

As far as I can tell, these tubs have been pretty much stopped for most of the trip.  How else do you explain an average of 3.5 knots across the south pacific. 

On the other hand, according to my doctor, except for that one regrettable defibrillator incident, I have indeed been going non-stop since the 70's.  

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

I set about swimming around the world. Unfortunately I abandoned after getting a cramp after 100 metres, actually only 50m because I waded the first 50. Anyway if it helps my calculations were 3-5 years with antifouling, 4-6 without.

You might need more anti-fouling than the average bloke.

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4 hours ago, Your Mom said:

You might need more anti-fouling than the average bloke.

If anti-fouling was painted on Jack it would immediately slough off saying ' Jack has his unique formula of fouling and does not need us'.  I would also contest his statement for I swear I read once he was some crazy ass long distance swimmer...or was that staysail?  Hard to keep up with these curmudgeons   You do give an idea to having the GGR being swimmers going round the world with a GGR boat as support.  The main issue might be that the swimmer would be having to slow down and wait for the boat to catch up to them.

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17 hours ago, Texcom said:

The no-go-zone was lifted for the Tapio's Ark (weekly satellite call) because of an approaching storm. Later storm vanished. And only "now" he has crossed the forbidden line.
Only the RO knows if the no-no-zone was lifted only for that storm or generally. I see the Ark being too slow and as such a safety risk for itself, sooner Tapio gets away better.
 
0800Z 4.8 knots was likely his record since Hobart.

Now they're advising Tapio to get North as fast as he can to avoid the next storm.  They've got him zig-zagging S-N while storm after storm come along, when he really just needs to get to Cape Horn and get out of harm's way.

One tough thing with 4ksb's is that since you can only do 100 nm per day, you have to start routing away from these storms when they're still 4 days away...  which means the forecast may well be wrong.  He could easily spend a day gaining 100 nm to the North only to discover tomorrow that the storm is going to run him over anyway.

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18 hours ago, Your Mom said:

You might need more anti-fouling than the average bloke.

Wot you on about. I have too run around in the shower to get wet.

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2 hours ago, r.finn said:

VDH is serving a week long sentence.  Terrible.

Funny maths. Nose to tail now low 600's. Leverage to Slats around 200. Then the new funny math is how far is old guy from getting fast easting = oodles before Slats. Unless stick falls down the old guy at least 4 days on the piss before the cloggie appppears at the finish.

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11 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Funny maths. Nose to tail now low 600's. Leverage to Slats around 200. Then the new funny math is how far is old from getting fast easting = oodles before Slats. Unless stick falls down the old guy at least 4 days on the piss before the cloggie appppears at the finish.

If VDH didn't have a compromised mast, I wouldn't see a problem.  Hopefully this "time to reflect" for him also results in better mast reinforcement.  

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The latest tweets suggest Tapio has had trouble with water ingress in his forward compartment.  Between that and the barnacles, I really fear for his safety.  He seriously needs to get around Cape Horn before he gets run over by a huge storm.  His boatspeed is too slow to do much avoidance, and the longer he's there, the more it's simply pushing luck.  I'm pondering the physics of a little boat covered in barnacles with water forward in large seas, and I'm having trouble envisioning any results better than the boat burying its bow, turning sideways, and rolling over.

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1 hour ago, Your Mom said:

The latest tweets suggest Tapio has had trouble with water ingress in his forward compartment.  Between that and the barnacles, I really fear for his safety. 

547755342_CaptureTapio.PNG.8064509e5c266b997410526021057621.PNGI can see why you might be concerned Mom.

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On 1/9/2019 at 4:19 AM, r.finn said:

If VDH didn't have a compromised mast, I wouldn't see a problem.  Hopefully this "time to reflect" for him also results in better mast reinforcement.  

Didn’t VDH choose a light weight shorter mast as part of his refit ?

 

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2 hours ago, Third Reef said:

Didn’t VDH choose a light weight shorter mast as part of his refit ?

 

Recall Don talking about thinner section in the video with his mate who bought the old mast...was extolling wisdom of that choice back then, but that may have been more about reduced length.

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4 hours ago, Third Reef said:

Didn’t VDH choose a light weight shorter mast as part of his refit ?

 

Better. Replaced a new one with a shorter one after a rethink. Don't know of any wall thickness difference.

There have been two Rustler 36 pitchpoles in this race, guess which one survived. 

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4 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Mark now closing fast.  Restart 2K miles from the finish.  Bring it on!

Not according funny math

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From the 1000 mile lead VHD held when Slats rounded Cape Horn almost 6 weeks ago, the big lead has dropped so slowly to the present 200 miles despite Slats gaining with better wind most all of that time. The change took that long even with VDH doing the ridiculous penalty.  It appears the tide will turn to help VDH now, hard to be sure with the fickle winds, but what a different experience to watch the crawl of the modest boats allowing Slats to tick down the lead over so many weeks.  The new world created by the IMOCA / VOR / Ultimes sees the boats covering between half to the whole planet in that time!  The "new normal" fast paced boats amplify the conditions to make us accustomed to much quicker changes in the racing distances.  The languid pace of this lap provides a perspective from the past. In that regard, the sailors of the GGR 2018 are accomplishing its goal.

Meanwhile, over at the Longue Route, it is great to see Suzanne Huber-Curphey follow Moitessier to round the Cape of Good Hope a second time to save her soul.  Another perspective from the GGR 1968.

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1 hour ago, tama_manu said:

The new world created by the IMOCA / VOR / Ultimes sees the boats covering between half to the whole planet in that time!   The languid pace of this lap provides a perspective from the past. In that regard, the sailors of the GGR 2018 are accomplishing their goal.

Languid ain’t all bad.  (And, realistically, it’s probably the kind of boat that most of us can afford.)

(This is actually a great philosophical book.)

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Nah,  go the "old guy".

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3 hours ago, tama_manu said:

The new world created by the IMOCA / VOR / Ultimes sees the boats covering between half to the whole planet in that time!  The "new normal" fast paced boats amplify the conditions to make us accustomed to much quicker changes in the racing distances.  The languid pace of this lap provides a perspective from the past. In that regard, the sailors of the GGR 2018

The English language picks up the difference too.

Like if given the choice what do people chose a "fast" or a "slow" death? Or for those unlucky enough to get a manner of death choice will they wish for one involving excitement or boredom? If slow can be atractive how many prople decant their red wine versus those that just chug it down? Would you prefer to be regarded as "prompt and fleet of mind" or "tardy and retarded"? In the battlefield which bullets would you like to come out of the barrel of that gun, the "rapid firing high volocity" or "intermittent slow" ones? Why is there the term "double quick" but not "double slow" or "red hot" but not "blue cold"?

Tama if convention is going to be turned on its head and this race is going to be "holding on to it downhill" going beyond the novelty.stage, then maybe I will have to read Aldous Huxley's Brave New World backwards to understand why.

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

In the battlefield which bullets would you like to come out of the barrel of that gun, the "rapid firing high volocity" or "intermittent slow" ones?

Rodney Dangerfield used to say that in his old neighborhood, the tough guys didn't shoot you; they inserted the bullets manually.  If I'm the victim, I'm going with high velocity...

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Funny guy. He also said his neighbourhood was so tough, that when he put his hand in some cement he felt another hand.

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Just saw on a thread in main forum, Robin Davies is overdue into Falmouth. Not good 

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Story on GGR Facebook page now.

Doesn't sound good for the guy. Always seemed a decent sort on the livestreams with the fucking idiot who runs this.... occurrence. 

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That is not very good in that small postcode and in pretty benign conditions as reported. They are in fact the ones that catch even the most experienced SH out.

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7 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

That is not very good in that small postcode and in pretty benign conditions as reported. They are in fact the ones that catch even the most experienced SH out.

Very very busy area for shipping. 

 

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12 minutes ago, Icedtea said:

Very very busy area for shipping. 

 

Stats don't favour that. Falling off through complacency is the biggest threat for SH's. I hope not. He seemed like a very decent and experienced fellow you would like to know.

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Again with his experience I would not favour a run down over a onboard incident. I hope we are speaking hypothetical and this works out. However the time line looks very depressing.

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

Again with his experience I would not favour a run down over a onboard incident. I hope we are speaking hypothetical and this works out. However the time line looks very depressing.

Agreed. 

 

Also imagine he would have been well within VHF range of other vessels.

Can't say I feel good about this one

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13 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

@sidmon started a seperate RD thread.

 

Icedtea crossposted here a couple hours after I put that up...

 

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It is understood that Davie, who is from St Agnes in Cornwall,  doesn’t have AIS or an EPIRB, and just a hand-held VHF radio. He does have a liferaft, complete with GPS and a spare VHF.
Read more at https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/news/alert-issued-overdue-british-solo-sailor-robin-davie-68556#IfWeT5jxsIHiac7k.99

The luddite GGR mindset proves just a bit problematic once more.  

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2 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

It is understood that Davie, who is from St Agnes in Cornwall,  doesn’t have AIS or an EPIRB, and just a hand-held VHF radio. He does have a liferaft, complete with GPS and a spare VHF.
Read more at https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/news/alert-issued-overdue-british-solo-sailor-robin-davie-68556#IfWeT5jxsIHiac7k.99

The luddite GGR mindset proves just a bit problematic once more.  

I wouldn't assume luddite here.  From personal experience, this can sometimes be a $ problem.   

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12 minutes ago, r.finn said:

I wouldn't assume luddite here.  From personal experience, this can sometimes be a $ problem.   

Money can certainly be a issue.  No argument there.  But...he just did a complete refit including a new mast and new rigging.  Adding AIS would be a rounding error on that project.  And if there is any place on the planet that having AIS would be valuable for a single-hander it would be on slow sailboat crossing the English Channel.

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4 hours ago, Left Shift said:

Money can certainly be a issue.  No argument there.  But...he just did a complete refit including a new mast and new rigging.  Adding AIS would be a rounding error on that project.  And if there is any place on the planet that having AIS would be valuable for a single-hander it would be on slow sailboat crossing the English Channel.

He’s been “found” (just checked in via VHF).  A bit overdue, is all.  But people love jumping to conclusions (lost, Luddite, etc).  Sheesh.   

As you were. :-)

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Well he is going to be well suited to this race.

I wonder if he just dropped off somewhere and got on the piss for a few days? 

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Back to our regular program.  VDH/Slats delta now 185 Nm .... not allowing for the funny math.

And VDH now on his supposedly fragile port tack with Slats gaining 23Nm on him last 24 Hrs.

 

Go Mark!!

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If Slats gets into the same weather system as VDH he can make it a close call. So in 4 days we will know with the low coming from the US.

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Slats had been using the desalinator in the grab bag for a week without a penalty. Has this been allowed all the time or has the rules been relaxed once again?

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2 hours ago, Laser1 said:

Back to our regular program.  VDH/Slats delta now 185 Nm .... not allowing for the funny math.

Without funny math your delta is a meaningless number. As you don't believe me start watching their 24 hr Tracker VMG numbers next week. You will get a shock.

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Uku might not make much progress in the next several days.  Kopar is going to close fast and might even be able to go right by...  Upwind the whole way if he heads for Rio, but upwind in breeze is still faster than what Uku's got.

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19 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Well he is going to be well suited to this race.

I wonder if he just dropped off somewhere and got on the piss for a few days? 

Or got lost. Lost his reading glasses and couldn't read the vernier on his octant. 

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8 hours ago, Joakim said:

Slats had been using the desalinator in the grab bag for a week without a penalty. Has this been allowed all the time or has the rules been relaxed once again?

That’s an interesting point because it looked like captain coconut had been using his D/S for most of the trip when he did a you tube interview on his return.

 

 

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1 hour ago, littlechay said:

his octant. 

Now there’s a REAL classic race idea! :-)

Or how about going really, really retro/classic, and using only an ancient Arab kamal for navigation - taking inspiration from the ancient Arab spice and slave trade ocean sailing routes - a race in two legs, from Zanzibar to Oman, and Oman to Calicut, the major historical Indian port for the ancient Arab sailors’ spice trade...

Think of the imagery...think Sinbad in “A Thousand And One Arabian Nights”...the RO in a silk turban and those baggy Arabian-style genie pants, a curved golden sword tucked in a sash around his waist giving race updates on FB sitting cross-legged under a palm tree...we can do this!

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8 hours ago, Joakim said:

Slats had been using the desalinator in the grab bag for a week without a penalty. Has this been allowed all the time or has the rules been relaxed once again?

Using gear out of the grab bag apparently never was an issue as opposed to opening the sealed safety pack containing all the electronic goodies.

It also is not mentioned anywhere in the sailing instructions so no rules needed relaxing.

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24 minutes ago, Jud - s/v Sputnik said:

Now there’s a REAL classic race idea! :-)

Or how about going really, really retro/classic, and using only an ancient Arab kamal for navigation - taking inspiration from the ancient Arab spice and slave trade ocean sailing routes - a race in two legs, from Zanzibar to Oman, and Oman to Calicut, the major historical Indian port for the ancient Arab sailors’ spice trade...

Think of the imagery...think Sinbad in “A Thousand And One Arabian Nights”...the RO in a silk turban and those baggy Arabian-style genie pants, a curved golden sword tucked in a sash around his waist giving race updates on FB sitting cross-legged under a palm tree...we can do this!

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And boats built from reeds and pitch :) 

 

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My weekly or is it weakly look at this event as my interest is now quite weak!

Anyway just for the hell of it I grabbed a GRIB (PWE) and ran four routing simulations with Heede's polar at 85,90,95 and 100% verses Slatts at 100%. At 85 and 90% Slatts has a potential passing lane by taking a bit of a shortcut but otherwise JL is comfortable. Provided Heede has a reasonably repair he will not have to back off in light and moderate conditions very much however in heavier conditions he will have to be very careful especially on the wounded side. His last Iridium text said that the wind is on the bad side and that he is going East to try to get onto the other tack. Those maneouvers will obviously cost him and put him closer to Slatts route. However that is something akin to a classic covering move putting himself between the opposition and the mark. So how many % is he down? I would say that provided the stick stays vertical in the heavier stuff he will not be off the pace much in the light stuff so overall just a few .. say 5% down?  Comments? 

Note: Current positions are well to the SW of the area shown in the screenshot.

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