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You increase voter turn out if a free AR-15 was handed out everytime you cast a ballot. Everyone voting everyone armed,  US nirvana!

Fuck Ya, Yee ah!

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To be serious for a moment I really feel sympathy for the families that have lost their kid but collectively I feel no sympathy for a society that continues to ignore the general well being of their population and permits these gun policies to continue.  

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1 hour ago, HuronBouy said:

To be serious for a moment I really feel sympathy for the families that have lost their kid but collectively I feel no sympathy for a society that continues to ignore the general well being of their population and permits these gun policies to continue.  

Look around you here, some of these kind folks would rather lose a leg than their guns. This issue isn't going to go away anytime soon. Unfortunately, it's creeping up into Canada.

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3 hours ago, HuronBouy said:

To be serious for a moment I really feel sympathy for the families that have lost their kid but collectively I feel no sympathy for a society that continues to ignore the general well being of their population and permits these gun policies to continue.  

Which gun policies should be discontinued then?

I can think of a few, but your suggestions might be different from mine so the suggestion of just discontinuing policies is kinda meaninglessly open-ended.

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1 minute ago, dogballs Tom said:

Which gun policies should be discontinued then?

I can think of a few, but your suggestions might be different from mine so the suggestion of just discontinuing policies is kinda meaninglessly open-ended.

Care to elucidate which policies you think should be discontinued?

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13 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

Which gun policies should be discontinued then?

I can think of a few, but your suggestions might be different from mine so the suggestion of just discontinuing policies is kinda meaninglessly open-ended.

There is no need for hand guns, semi automatic weapons,  large round magazines....hunting  rifles OK use of your hunting rifle by another in crime you are criminally responsible. Not a fucking chance this will fly in gun land which is why I think that the  thinking in your country is fucked up..... but you asked.    

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1 hour ago, dogballs Tom said:

Which gun policies should be discontinued then?

I can think of a few, but your suggestions might be different from mine so the suggestion of just discontinuing policies is kinda meaninglessly open-ended.

The policy of selling unlimited ammo.  I say follow the Israeli model 25 rounds per person per year. Rounds for target shooting may be purchased but must be used at run ranges.

 

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1 hour ago, HuronBouy said:

There is no need for hand guns, semi automatic weapons,  large round magazines....hunting  rifles OK use of your hunting rifle by another in crime you are criminally responsible. Not a fucking chance this will fly in gun land which is why I think that the  thinking in your country is fucked up..... but you asked.    

Well, OK, but our countries seem to me to be pretty similarly fucked up in the way you mentioned.

After all, the Ruger 10/22 that my wife owns is one of the most popular assault weapons in your country and mine.

What are you doing to see that those are banned and confiscated up there?

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1 hour ago, HuronBouy said:

There is no need for hand guns, semi automatic weapons,  large round magazines....hunting  rifles OK use of your hunting rifle by another in crime you are criminally responsible. Not a fucking chance this will fly in gun land which is why I think that the  thinking in your country is fucked up..... but you asked.    

 

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Decorated US marine, known to have mental health issues, and still allowed to keep his guns.

He was interviewed by police at his home in April after an episode of agitated behaviour that they were told might be post-traumatic stress disorder.

Sheriff Geoff Dean said police had responded to a minor disturbance.

"He was somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally," Sheriff Dean said, but he said he was unaware of a PTSD or mental illness diagnosis.

"Obviously he had something going on in his head that would cause him to do something like this."

The police called in a team of mental health specialists who decided that Long did not qualify to be involuntarily detained for mental health evaluation under state law.

Sheriff Dean added Long obtained the murder weapon — a Glock 21 .45 calibre handgun — legally, but the weapon had an illegal magazine extension..

 

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Well yes they are still being held by some but 

here is what the law says 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-control-rifle-rcmp-1.4606237

It seems that the mounties don't think they have the jurisdiction to enforce (for reasons I do not understand and haven't thought about) so the law although on the books is in limbo.

 

But to generalize to control guns the law limits the size of the magazine if the power of the rifle is determined to be of low pwer like the Rugers. If the rifle is high powered (don't ask me for an example) they are restricted  

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National pre purchase  background checks and automatic confiscation (review-able) for anyone charged with violent crime or under mental health watch.

It's not that bloody hard.

 

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California has red flag laws.  Maybe the clinician that said he wasn't a threat and therefore could keep his guns should be replaced or the state legislature could direct more money into hiring better mental health evaluation in the future?

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

Which gun policies should be discontinued then?

Well we can start with the dogballs Amendment.

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One thing I've learned here is that extra-capacity magazines are both unreliable, and for various reasons cause a reduction in accuracy.

 

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Friend of a friend killed.  The degrees of separation got close for me this time.

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28 minutes ago, benwynn said:

Friend of a friend killed.  The degrees of separation got close for me this time.

Niece of a Fox News correspondent was also killed.  50 odd survivors were also at the Vegas shooting.  Everyone is closer to being impacted than they think.

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11 hours ago, HuronBouy said:

Well yes they are still being held by some but 

here is what the law says 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-control-rifle-rcmp-1.4606237

It seems that the mounties don't think they have the jurisdiction to enforce (for reasons I do not understand and haven't thought about) so the law although on the books is in limbo.

From the article:
 

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As many as a million large-capacity rifle magazines that were declared prohibited in 2016 remain in the hands of Canada's gun owners — the fallout of a simmering legal dispute over the RCMP's authority to ban weaponry.

Since the 1960s, owners of the popular 22-calibre Ruger 10/22 long rifle have been able to buy magazines with no limit on the number of rounds they can hold.

That changed in May 2016 when the RCMP, in response to a border-seizure incident, declared as prohibited any 10/22 magazines that can hold more than 10 cartridges.

 

Like I said, our countries seem pretty similarly fucked in the way you mentioned. A million scary magazines on the streets of Canada?
 

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The RCMP say they had not previously imposed any magazine-size restrictions for the Ruger 10/22, in part because of the rifle's lower power. (Recent mass shootings in the U.S. have involved semi-automatic AR-15-style rifles and pistols using more powerful ammunition.)

An internal briefing note for Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale warned in July 2016 about the large numbers of prohibited magazines still at large.

"The 10/22 rifle platform is popular – tens of thousands are estimated to be owned by Canadians," says the document, obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.

"Given the popularity of militarizing these platforms, the number of prohibited 10/22 magazines possessed by businesses and individuals is also likely in the tens of thousands. An accounting of these prohibited magazines is not possible since firearm magazines are not registered."

 

Correction: a million scary and unregistered magazines! California and Connecticut, among other states, are registering and confiscating those. Or trying. It seems gun owners are overwhelmingly Uncooperative with this program, but they're trying.

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"Notwithstanding the steps taken to inform the Canadian public and firearms businesses, it appears that prohibited 10/22 platform magazines continue to be imported into Canada and sold by unqualified businesses and individuals."

Bernardo said the RCMP has misinterpreted the law, putting thousands of law-abiding gun-owners in legal peril.

"How can they just simply wave their magic wand and turn hundreds of thousands of people into felons?" he said. "Where did the police get this power?"

 

It seems to me that your country's ban on squirrel assault weapons isn't working all that well.

We don't yet have a national ban on them, but our state level bans are experiencing pretty much the same result: they've created a bunch of felons where there were none before and that's about it.

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11 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

National pre purchase  background checks and automatic confiscation (review-able) for anyone charged with violent crime or under mental health watch.

It's not that bloody hard.

As discussed elsewhere, if a guy like me wants to own a gun like my wife's squirrel assault weapon in Australia, it is not just hard, it's impossible to do it legally.

On 9/13/2018 at 6:40 AM, dogballs Tom said:
On 9/12/2018 at 6:42 PM, Fah Kiew Tu said:

Tom is right about a More Dogballs Ruger being a Class C firearm here and he's also right that it makes little sense.

And I'm also right that it's a Class D firearm if she puts some of the magazines she owns into it.

Don't act like you're allowed to own squirrel assault weapons if you just follow some rules. By and large, you're not.

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12 hours ago, Fakenews said:

The policy of selling unlimited ammo.  I say follow the Israeli model 25 rounds per person per year. Rounds for target shooting may be purchased but must be used at run ranges.

 

Why do you love global warming so much?

I can and do shoot safely in my yard. Now you want me to fire up the V8 engine in the big, white truck and drive dozens of miles to do it?

This is why grabberz are intolerably meddlesome. Is there some evidence of harm caused by people like me shooting in our yards? No, of course not. The purpose of gun control laws is to punish people for failing to vote TeamD, not to solve any other problem.

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13 hours ago, Sean said:

Care to elucidate which policies you think should be discontinued?

We should be able to buy a suppressor at a store just like we were New Zealanders or something.

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6 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

As discussed elsewhere, if a guy like me wants to own a gun like my wife's squirrel assault weapon in Australia, it is not just hard, it's impossible to do it legally.

Don't act like you're allowed to own squirrel assault weapons if you just follow some rules. By and large, you're not.

You might not be if you lived here; I can. I know the rules and what they want to know.

I simply don't care to.

As I've said many times over, a hell lf a lot of gun laws make no sense. I'd restrict centrefire rifles to fixed magazines with a max of 5 rounds. Wouldn't stop murders but it'd make mass murders by firearm a lot harder.

People like you deflect, deny and do anything other than address that issue. That's fine. Everyone else will just ignore you.

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1 minute ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:
11 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

As discussed elsewhere, if a guy like me wants to own a gun like my wife's squirrel assault weapon in Australia, it is not just hard, it's impossible to do it legally.

Don't act like you're allowed to own squirrel assault weapons if you just follow some rules. By and large, you're not.

You might not be if you lived here; I can.

Why might I be able to own an assault weapon like that? My reading of your rules is that I would have to have some professional need for it and I don't. Is there something I missed?

3 minutes ago, Fah Kiew Tu said:

As I've said many times over, a hell lf a lot of gun laws make no sense. I'd restrict centrefire rifles to fixed magazines with a max of 5 rounds. Wouldn't stop murders but it'd make mass murders by firearm a lot harder.

To the extent that prohibition programs work, it would make such mass murders harder. So I'd guess "a tiny bit" rather than "a lot" harder since I've observed that they don't work.

That conclusion is backed up by recent and Jocal-approved research:

On 10/22/2018 at 8:26 AM, dogballs Tom said:

You're probably at least a bit familiar with one of his co-authors, a Mr. Hemenway.

They've updated their research, by the way.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27842178

 

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Findings:

In the aggregate, stronger gun policies were associated with decreased rates of firearm homicide, even after adjusting for demographic and sociologic factors. Laws that strengthen background checks and permit-to-purchase seemed to decrease firearm homicide rates. Specific laws directed at firearm trafficking, improving child safety, or the banning of military-style assault weapons were not associated with changes in firearm homicide rates. The evidence for laws restricting guns in public places and leniency in gun carrying was mixed.

 

The bolded part is likely to get them boiled in oil for heresy.

But evidence doesn't matter. People like you deflect, deny and do anything other than address that issue.

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31 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

since I've observed that they (all prohibitions) don't work.

Your observations are Libertarian dogma, right down the line

 

31 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

You're probably at least a bit familiar with one of his co-authors, a Mr. Hemenway.

^^^In for a penny? In for a pound. LMFAO. Hemenway is gold. And Scalia and common women will overrule Hemenway and Winker about AW's.

 

31 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

But evidence doesn't matter.

EVIDENCE?  307 mass shootings so far this year. Evidence matters, which means you're screwed. 

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28 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Haven't you two got enough gun threads to play on?

I wish we had nothing to discuss, bob. We have a gun problem. We are discussing a hot issue, on PA, on a thread where the chaos and violence is being gathered to be discussed. 

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31 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Haven't you two got enough gun threads to play on?

No one had posted in this one for a week until...

On 11/8/2018 at 3:26 AM, Shortforbob said:


FYI, there was already an active thread on the political point of your post.

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2 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

No one had posted in this one for a week until...


FYI, there was already an active thread on the political point of your post.

That's sad..no one had posted for a week...That's because it's been a whole week (5 days) since the last one...don't be a dick Tom..this is a headsup thread not a debate thread.

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8 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

That's because it's been a whole week (5 days) since the last one.

That's not true. I posted about a string of mass shootings during that time period in the relevant thread.

It's just that, like most of our recent mass shootings, no one was actually killed in any of those, so they didn't merit discussion.

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3 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

That's not true. I posted about a string of mass shootings during that time period in the relevant thread.

It's just that, like most of our recent mass shootings, no one was actually killed in any of those, so they didn't merit discussion.

Sadly, as you point out yourself..it's so commonplace it doesn't rate.

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14 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Sadly, as you point out yourself..it's so commonplace it doesn't rate.

Sadly, as your post demonstrates, we can't have an honest discussion about these events in which everyone recognizes that consoling the families of the wounded the next day is VERY different from consoling the families of the dead.

Instead, it's convenient to pretend they're the same thing so as to make "mass" shootings seem more commonplace, generating fear, which generates stupid legislation like the Aussie ban on squirrel assault weapons.

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14 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

But we don't have squirrels in Oz..end of discussion :) 

You have feral cats, foxes and rabbits though. Discussion open :)

Pigs, buffalo, camel, donkey, deer. How can I forget cane toads!

You're a Melbourne latte sipping idiot Mel.

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58 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

That's not true. I posted about a string of mass shootings during that time period in the relevant thread.

You sure did, LIKE A REGULAR SICKO. You are minimizing 307 different and terrible shootings, just in 2018.  This deal is getting  bad bad bad.

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It's just that, like most of our recent mass shootings, no one was actually killed in any of those, so they didn't merit discussion.

This is your new OCD bit, you have streamed it for a week or so.

 

RIDE THE LIBERTARIAN UNICORN OVER THE COLOSTOMY BAG fifty cents 

For other recreation, you are marginalizing this fellow by shamelessly using his photo too.  Go Tom Ray, I just love this place.

AW damage in high schooler.jpg

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14 minutes ago, VOA said:

Who is the kid you're exploiting Jo?

He's lying about me again. I think he got it here:

On 10/30/2018 at 12:08 PM, badlatitude said:

We will never run out of politically convenient 15-year-old victims.

qJw76eW.jpg

 

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1 hour ago, dogballs Tom said:

Sadly, as your post demonstrates, we can't have an honest discussion about these events in which everyone recognizes that consoling the families of the wounded the next day is VERY different from consoling the families of the dead.

Instead, it's convenient to pretend they're the same thing so as to make "mass" shootings seem more commonplace, generating fear, which generates stupid legislation like the Aussie ban on squirrel assault weapons.

Horses for courses Tom, we like our gun laws by and large...why would we want to run the risk of becoming as out of control as the USA? Would you be happy if we had laws (or lack of them) like yours? And a victim roll like yours?Leave our laws out of it.

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18 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

He's lying about me again. I think he got it here:

 

That kids damage mostly looks like stab and slash, he wouldn't be walking if that was all gunshot wounds

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19 minutes ago, VOA said:

That kids damage mostly looks like stab and slash, he wouldn't be walking if that was all gunshot wounds

It's Anthony Borges.you moron.took 5 bullets at Parkland. Why don't you look things up before making nasty racist insinuations.

Anthony Borges
Shot at age 15. Barricaded a door to a classroom to protect other students, saving as many as 20 lives. Was the last of the injured to leave the hospital.

I was in the hospital for like two months. I wasn’t bored — the pain wouldn’t let me get distracted. It was all over my body, not just where I’d been shot. Imagine that someone stabbed you with a knife and wouldn’t take it out, would just push it in.

The physical therapy is helping a lot. A lot of the exercises are like the things you do before a soccer game. Still, I can’t feel my left foot. I’ve gotten skinnier, and when I stand up, I have trouble breathing. The goal is just to be able to move my entire body normally. I can’t run, and I want to run. I’m doing homeschooling now. I’m not sure when I’ll go back to school. I don’t want to; I don’t feel safe. I don’t talk about it with anybody — I get really upset. I can’t talk about it with my friends. I did what I had to do — that’s why I don’t like being called a hero. I want people to remember what happened as a miracle, from God.

 

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10 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

It's Anthony Borges.you moron.took 5 bullets at Parkland. Why don't you look things up before making nasty racist insinuations.

Anthony Borges
Shot at age 15. Barricaded a door to a classroom to protect other students, saving as many as 20 lives. Was the last of the injured to leave the hospital.

I was in the hospital for like two months. I wasn’t bored — the pain wouldn’t let me get distracted. It was all over my body, not just where I’d been shot. Imagine that someone stabbed you with a knife and wouldn’t take it out, would just push it in.

The physical therapy is helping a lot. A lot of the exercises are like the things you do before a soccer game. Still, I can’t feel my left foot. I’ve gotten skinnier, and when I stand up, I have trouble breathing. The goal is just to be able to move my entire body normally. I can’t run, and I want to run. I’m doing homeschooling now. I’m not sure when I’ll go back to school. I don’t want to; I don’t feel safe. I don’t talk about it with anybody — I get really upset. I can’t talk about it with my friends. I did what I had to do — that’s why I don’t like being called a hero. I want people to remember what happened as a miracle, from God.

 

Please, hi-light what I said that was racist. 

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19 minutes ago, VOA said:

Please, hi-light what I said was racist.

insinuation..stab and slash..knife fights..the kids a fucking hero..a real one. How about you retract your ignorant remark?

And the poor little sods parents had to "go fund me" to pay his hospital bills..fucking USA.

Honestly, how can you 2A people look at that photo and not agree to meet half way?

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2 hours ago, VOA said:

That kids damage mostly looks like stab and slash, he wouldn't be walking if that was all gunshot wounds

He is a Parkland High school survivor. Those wounds are all by gunshot.

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21 minutes ago, badlatitude said:
2 hours ago, VOA said:

That kids damage mostly looks like stab and slash, he wouldn't be walking if that was all gunshot wounds

He is a Parkland High school survivor. Those wounds are all by gunshot.

Yep

And there was a high school shooting incident not far from my home this morning.

2 hours ago, Shortforbob said:
2 hours ago, VOA said:

Please, hi-light what I said was racist.

insinuation..stab and slash..knife fights..the kids a fucking hero..a real one. How about you retract your ignorant remark?

And the poor little sods parents had to "go fund me" to pay his hospital bills..fucking USA.

Honestly, how can you 2A people look at that photo and not agree to meet half way?

It's a depressingly common (apparently around 30%) belief that black people who don't know their place deserve to get shot or stabbed.

And as for how they can't, some people are both stupid and mean-spirited, and proud of it. It may be genetic, it certainly runs in families.

-DSK

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3 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:
3 hours ago, VOA said:

Who is the kid you're exploiting Jo?

He's lying about me again. I think he got it here:

RIDE THE LIBERTARIAN UNICORN OVER THE COLOSTOMY BAG fifty cents 

Here is where you used the image. One of us is a liar.

 

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Mlk and LBJ and Pooplius go into a bar...

Tom and MLK and LBJ.JPG

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3 hours ago, VOA said:

That kids damage mostly looks like stab and slash, he wouldn't be walking if that was all gunshot wounds

The photo shows one of 101 gunshot survivors who were photographed and interviewed. I saw the (disgusting and inspiring) piece long before the others.

"72 years of School Shootings, and Those Who Survived Them."   https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-39671754/gunshot-survivors-bare-all-for-photographer

I dare Tom to watch this 2 minute video. Tom has no right to use the shot is his campaign to minimize gunshot survivors. IT IS THE MOVE OF A DOUCHE and a second offense. Just sayin'.

AW damage in high schooler.jpg

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39 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

It's a depressingly common (apparently around 30%) belief that black people who don't know their place deserve to get shot or stabbed.

 

Seems to be a lot of that in the  black communities of Baltimore, Chicago, and Detroit.

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15 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Seems to be a lot of that in the  black communities of Baltimore, Chicago, and Detroit.

Um, add St. Louis and Tallahassee, too.

There is a known cure. After work in several sites in Chicago, other cities are reaching out to this guy. Other countries are, too.

He whomps on epidemics, with success over cholera, TB, and AIDS in Uganda, Ghana, Tanzania, and  Brundi. Harvard Injury (via Daniel Webster) gave him the nod for stuff he did in the USA, in inner cities. Pretty cool. 

 http://cureviolence.org/post/cv-video/gary-slutkin-at-tedmed-2013/

CV3-Gary Skutkin, of Cure Violence.jpg

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30 minutes ago, Saorsa said:

Seems to be a lot of that in the  black communities of Baltimore, Chicago, and Detroit.

So it's OK for you, too?

-DSK

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7 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

So it's OK for you, too?

-DSK

Nope, just not much seems to be getting done.

 

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44 minutes ago, Saorsa said:
1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

It's a depressingly common (apparently around 30%) belief that black people who don't know their place deserve to get shot or stabbed.

 

Seems to be a lot of that in the  black communities of Baltimore, Chicago, and Detroit.

6 minutes ago, Saorsa said:
13 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

So it's OK for you, too?

 

Nope, just not much seems to be getting done.

 

So why mention it? Seems to have very little relevance, except to excuse your own shitty attitude and hate

-DSK

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7 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

So why mention it? Seems to have very little relevance, except to excuse your own shitty attitude and hate

-DSK

he needs the attention

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53 minutes ago, jocal505 said:

Um, add St. Louis and Tallahassee, too.

There is a known cure. After work in several sites in Chicago, other cities are reaching out to this guy. Other countries are, too.

He whomps on epidemics, with success over cholera, TB, and AIDS in Uganda, Ghana, Tanzania, and  Brundi. Harvard Injury (via Daniel Webster) gave him the nod for stuff he did in the USA, in inner cities. Pretty cool. 

 http://cureviolence.org/post/cv-video/gary-slutkin-at-tedmed-2013/

CV3-Gary Skutkin, of Cure Violence.jpg

Maybe one day he’ll find a cure for smallpox. Don’t forget smallpox. 

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Just now, Sean said:

Maybe one day he’ll find a cure for smallpox. Don’t forget smallpox. 

I messed him up on the Ebola scare.  I cured that the day after the election, way back when.  

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

So why mention it? Seems to have very little relevance, except to excuse your own shitty attitude and hate

-DSK

Yeah, little black kids are irrelevant to you racists.

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A buddy of mine from Cal compiled this. Its point is that gun carnage isn't just fatal. In fact, fatalities are dwarfed by injuries.

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3 hours ago, Saorsa said:

Yeah, little black kids are irrelevant to you racists.

??? Do tell

-DSK

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1 hour ago, Steam Flyer said:

??? Do tell

-DSK

The Minister is just ministering. He cares about little black kids about as much as Shitstain cares about the deficit.

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3 hours ago, Olsonist said:

A buddy of mine from Cal compiled this. Its point is that gun carnage isn't just fatal. In fact, fatalities are dwarfed by injuries.

image.png.62424cd69fe57a79201df6524e5aaef9.png

I find that the injury-to-death ratio is often postulated as 6:1. 

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On 11/8/2018 at 12:35 PM, Shortforbob said:

National pre purchase  background checks and automatic confiscation (review-able) for anyone charged with violent crime or under mental health watch.

It's not that bloody hard.

Uhhhh, that pretty much already exists.

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2 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Uhhhh, that pretty much already exists.

But not pursued at times it seemed.  

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Just now, mad said:

But not pursued at times it seemed.  

It's not pursued on purpose, because of the people Jeffreaux supports. For example the bar of "too mentally unwell to own a gun" is quite high - it requires you to be declared unwell by the courts or too have been involuntarily committed. Those are not small hurdles. In the US we default too "own a gun". That's the way Jeffreaux and dogballs want it. They just bullshit about the cost, because they are assholes (and now dogballs will bump that thread like a fucking psycho)

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4 minutes ago, mad said:
8 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Uhhhh, that pretty much already exists.

But not pursued at times it seemed

Correct, and this is the issue.  This was not a failure of gun laws or lack thereof.  It was an issue with enforcement of existing laws.  California HAS in place a Gun Violence Restraining Order Law (GVRO or Red Flag law).  Police were called to evaluate him and both the LE and mental health experts all declined to petition to have his gunz removed.  They could and SHOULD have done so.  

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6 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

no, no it doesn't. At least to those standards. Are you pretending to be a US citizen?

It does.  The standards are just not enforced.

And yes, surprisingly I was allowed to vote on Tuesday - so I must be a US citizen.  UNless you're claiming that non-citizens can now vote.

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5 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

It's not pursued on purpose, because of the people Jeffreaux supports. For example the bar of "too mentally unwell to own a gun" is quite high - it requires you to be declared unwell by the courts or too have been involuntarily committed. Those are not small hurdles. In the US we default too "own a gun". That's the way Jeffreaux and dogballs want it. They just bullshit about the cost, because they are assholes (and now dogballs will bump that thread like a fucking psycho)

No, actually the lack of enforcement of these GVROs and other mental health issues are most often because of the people YOU support.  The liberals cry bloody fucking murder the moment it appears that some psycho's privacy rights are infringed upon.

YOU own this latest shooting.  

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3 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

No, actually the lack of enforcement of these GVROs and other mental health issues are most often because of the people YOU support.  The liberals cry bloody fucking murder the moment it appears that some psycho's privacy rights are infringed upon.

YOU own this latest shooting.  

Are there any stats for how many they do stop using the current laws?

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10 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Correct, and this is the issue.  This was not a failure of gun laws or lack thereof.  It was an issue with enforcement of existing laws.  California HAS in place a Gun Violence Restraining Order Law (GVRO or Red Flag law).  Police were called to evaluate him and both the LE and mental health experts all declined to petition to have his gunz removed.  They could and SHOULD have done so.  

and why not? I suspect money had something to do with it..taxpayers money to be precise. 

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9 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

YOU own this latest shooting.  

You and dogballs are the motherfuckers that say you need your high capacity mags, you lousy piece of ignorant government teat sucking shit. fucksticks mag was banned until the NRA and others sued.

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

and why not? I suspect money had something to do with it..taxpayers money to be precise. 

jeffreaux is just deflecting. he's a dishonest piece of shit.

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11 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

No, actually the lack of enforcement of these GVROs and other mental health issues are most often because of the people YOU support.  The liberals cry bloody fucking murder the moment it appears that some psycho's privacy rights are infringed upon.

YOU own this latest shooting.  

No..people that refuse to pay more tax to help the mentally ill own this. People that refuse to consider a genuinely affordable health care system own this. This guy like many other vets had known problems..people like you wont pay the price for your overseas exursions with first class assistance for those with PTSD..you wont pay for mental healthcare, you wont pay for social programs for early intervention for troubled teens, you wont pay..so others do.

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1 minute ago, Shortforbob said:

No..people that refuse to pay more tax to help the mentally ill own this. People that refuse to consider a genuinely affordable health care system own this. This guy like many other vets had known problems..people like you wont pay the price for your overseas exursions with first class assistance for those with PTSD..you wont pay for mental healthcare, you wont pay for social programs for early intervention for troubled teens, you wont pay..so others do.

Wait so it is a mental health issue and not a gun issue? This is news to EVERYONE I tell you.

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9 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

You and dogballs are the motherfuckers that say you need your high capacity mags, you lousy piece of ignorant government teat sucking shit. fucksticks mag was banned until the NRA and others sued.

Have you considered asking your doctor for a Lorazepam Rx?  It might help you.

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30 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

No, actually the lack of enforcement of these GVROs and other mental health issues are most often because of the people YOU support.  The liberals cry bloody fucking murder the moment it appears that some psycho's privacy rights are infringed upon.

YOU own this latest shooting.  

I'm a liberal and this is news to me. Do you have some reliable cites to back this up? While you're at it, you can meditate on this NRA position piece which slow walks GVROs (red flag laws) and this CA Assembly vote on AB 1014.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180928/new-report-on-california-gun-violence-restraining-order-law

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5 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

No..people that refuse to pay more tax to help the mentally ill own this. People that refuse to consider a genuinely affordable health care system own this. This guy like many other vets had known problems..people like you wont pay the price for your overseas exursions with first class assistance for those with PTSD..you wont pay for mental healthcare, you wont pay for social programs for early intervention for troubled teens, you wont pay..so others do.

WHo is this "You"???  I have been an advocate for better mental health funding for as long as I've been here on this board.  

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41 minutes ago, Not guilty said:

Wait so it is a mental health issue and not a gun issue? This is news to EVERYONE I tell you.

Partly you are actually right for a change..the guns are a symptom.

The number of dangerously unstable people in the USA is a symptom..add these together.

There's something deeply wrong with the mindset of many Americans. Look deeper into your culture.

Other countries have high gun ownership but they dont have these mass shootings..why?

What is it that makes some sane or otherwise americans turn turn to a gun to solve their real or imaginary problems?

Your culture prizes individual "rights" above social cohesion, it prizes wealth above wellbeing, it promises you that "anyone can be anything" yet fails to deliver the means for everyone to be an achiever.

It demonizes collectivism.

It plays upon patriotism and a militaristic mindest.

Even you higher education is linked to the military.

Your politicians fail to DO THEIR JOB..ie work for the wellbeing of all Americans.

I don't know the answer, controlling the guns is only a band aid..it won't fix your sadness and violent reactions when things don't work out for the individual.

 

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How long did you spend in the US to conduct your in depth study of the American people? Have you been there?

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9 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Partly you are actually right for a change..the guns are a symptom.

The number of dangerously unstable people in the USA is a symptom..add these together.

There's something deeply wrong with the mindset of many Americans. Look deeper into your culture.

Other countries have high gun ownership but they dont have these mass shootings..why?

What is it that makes some sane or otherwise americans turn turn to a gun to solve their real or imaginary problems?

Your culture prizes individual "rights" above social cohesion, it prizes wealth above wellbeing, it promises you that "anyone can be anything" yet fails to deliver the means for everyone to be an achiever.

It demonizes collectivism.

Your politicians fail to DO THEIR JOB..ie work for the wellbeing of all Americans.

I don't know the answer, controlling the guns is only a band aid..it won't fix your sadness and violent reactions when things don't work out for the individual.

 

See all that you wrote is not a mental illness. That is the American Spirit! People can be whatever they want and we don't need government handouts. CA has all the rules in the world regarding guns and it didn't stop him. America is just too big and too diverse to follow any other country plans. It simply doesn't work. People from the south are too different than people from the north and people from the west are too different from people from the east. You simply can not compare America to another country.

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39 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

Partly you are actually right for a change..the guns are a symptom.

The number of dangerously unstable people in the USA is a symptom..add these together.

There's something deeply wrong with the mindset of many Americans. Look deeper into your culture.

Other countries have high gun ownership but they dont have these mass shootings..why?

What is it that makes some sane or otherwise americans turn turn to a gun to solve their real or imaginary problems?

Your culture prizes individual "rights" above social cohesion, it prizes wealth above wellbeing, it promises you that "anyone can be anything" yet fails to deliver the means for everyone to be an achiever.

It demonizes collectivism.

It plays upon patriotism and a militaristic mindest.

Even you higher education is linked to the military.

Your politicians fail to DO THEIR JOB..ie work for the wellbeing of all Americans.

I don't know the answer, controlling the guns is only a band aid..it won't fix your sadness and violent reactions when things don't work out for the individual.

 

Meli you are partly correct in some of your observations. Let me comment on some of them:

yes I believe there is something deeply wrong with our current culture. We have become polarized to the point that the other side is the enemy. When someone is your enemy and you actually hate everything about them, it becomes easier for the whackos to snap and to kill them because they victims have been dehumanized. 

as to what our culture prizes, you are partially correct. We do prize individual rights over the collective. But the lack of social cohesion is a relatively recent phenomena. It used to be we could have violent disagreements but the thread that held us together was pride in the nation, your state, your community, your neighborhood, your church, etc. now nationalism is a dirty word. What has happened IMHO is that our society has become all about the self. We’ve fractured into tribes and very little ties us to the nation or to each other anymore. It’s actually discouraged and mocked in many places now to fly the US flag or to take pride in the nation or show overt love of the country.

Once upon a time - it was patriotism that made us lookout for the collective good.  We were willing to sacrice some of our selfishness for the betterment of the nation. Not so much now. It’s just pure selfishness. 

Collectivism isn’t so much demonized as it is seen as someone taking advantage of the system and not pulling their weight. 

How is our higher education “linked” to the military??  That just doesn’t even make sense. 

Your last paragraph is the most salient as you are 100% correct that controlling guns is a poor bandaid for address the sadness and rage that seems to be gripping our culture. I have been saying that for years now and it’s nice you and some others like jocal are finally coming around to the truth. We need to address why people so readily turn to violence to resolve disputes or to vent their sadness and disappointments. THAT is where the focus needs to be and chasing this prohibition style tack is doing nothing but delaying the real effort needed. 

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'just another shooting'; that about sums things up. ain't that a B.

gawd bless 'murica

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Have you considered asking your doctor for a Lorazepam Rx?  It might help you.

Have you thought about a .50 caliber blank suppository? maybe a slow release of lead?

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53 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

yes I believe there is something deeply wrong with our current culture. We have become polarized to the point that the other side is the enemy. When someone is your enemy and you actually hate everything about them, it becomes easier for the whackos to snap and to kill them because they victims have been dehumanized. 

like, I dunno, some clueless assbag ranting about the "libs" every chance he gets?

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2 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

...    ...    ... Once upon a time - it was patriotism that made us lookout for the collective good.  We were willing to sacrice some of our selfishness for the betterment of the nation. Not so much now. It’s just pure selfishness. ...    ...    ...

Maybe patriotism, but also a sense of stewardship, a sense of belonging in place & people, and the recognition that with the "collective good" we all do better when we all do better.

There have always been a few people who are more selfish, but this has been looked down on. Now it's the standard. Stupid, too. People used to realize the TV commercials are not always true

-DSK

 

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2 hours ago, Steam Flyer said:

Maybe patriotism, but also a sense of stewardship, a sense of belonging in place & people, and the recognition that with the "collective good" we all do better when we all do better.

There have always been a few people who are more selfish, but this has been looked down on. Now it's the standard. Stupid, too. People used to realize the TV commercials are not always true

-DSK

 

Totally agree with that. 

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3 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Have you thought about a .50 caliber blank suppository? maybe a slow release of lead?

See. Such anger. Have you talked to your doctor yet?  They are supposedly doing amazing things with psychotropic meds these days. 

In fact I’ve heard Ketamine is the new wonder drug for what seems to have afflicted you.  Just saying. 

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3 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

like, I dunno, some clueless assbag ranting about the "libs" every chance he gets?

Ranting about libs every chance I get???  Really?  I’ve gone numerous posts where I haven’t mentioned libs at all. Are you projecting?  Would you like to compare numbers of posts of yours ranting about cons vs me ranting about libs?  I’ll take that bet. A hundy says I win.  

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12 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

You and dogballs are the motherfuckers that say you need your high capacity mags

I don't think I said that. It's just the one that came on the gun.

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What would you have me do with it?

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