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VOR Leg 11 Gothenburg to The Hague

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1 minute ago, Loose Cannon said:

Is 3D tracker more accurate / less latent?

 

For me it looks like it..

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4 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

This race finished in Gothenburg with a 3 way tie decider necessary.

This leg has delivered in spades doing and with no procession that in reality simply kills audience participation.

That is now examplified to the extent I'm thinking my writing the Dong off 4 hours ago could end up being a very stupid call.

Why Jack! 

But don't jinx DF...

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

This race finished in Gothenburg with a 3 way tie decider necessary.

This leg has delivered in spades doing and with no procession that in reality simply kills audience participation.

This race has never been more exciting than right now!

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It's all coming together like two opposing freight trains! 

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3 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

If Pascal pulls this off, whatever he is being paid is not enough. And Charles will have aged a decade.

Just to have the confidence to make this move is incredible!  DF has shown  confidence in sailing their own race this entire leg. 

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54 minutes ago, Admirals said:

No currents, boat position from 07:00 UTC... 

Check the race experts tweet, My routing seems to be ok for the West VS East routing. Also a couple of minutes delta. 

 De Tweet bekijken van @RaceExperts:

 

 

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Looks like I'm going to be double tasking tonight. VOR on one screen and England v Panama on the other.

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My computer tells me DF will run out of gas before they can cross in front of Mapfre (At NAM22) , Brunel needs to find a couple of yards yet.

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1 minute ago, terrafirma said:

Surprised Brunel didn't cover when Mapfre went.?

This! 

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1 hour ago, Diva39 said:

Well I do. As descrpied earlier, Brunel has 40 miles to go, with 10 knots (or less) of wind wind straight in the ass (lots of gyping), while DF has 60 miles to go with 15-17 knots broad reach.

Race experts gree with you now...

What a finish!

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Mapfre now metering 15 kts TWS. That's a nice surprice, that might keep the western fleet in the game. :)

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1 minute ago, maartenvr said:

brunel wants to clear the next tss;mapfre won't

yup.  and Akzo will cover Mapfre...

 

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12 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

This race finished in Gothenburg with a 3 way "tie breaker" decider necessary, by default.

This leg has delivered in spades doing that so far and with no procession at the end, that in reality simply kills audience participation for any sporting event.

That "tie breaker" leg interest  is now magnified to the extent I'm thinking my writing the Dong off 4 hours ago could end up being a very fucking stupid call.

Noise of Sparrow giving himself an uppercut.

 

7 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

Why Jack! 

But don't jinx DF...

Desperado a "two word" question but a complex answer.

In "three words" for those already on the podium and the outcome of this "tie breaker" leg.

"Effort put in."

Highly subjective I know but the Dong is not top of my list in that regard, particularly having regard to their resources compared to other teams.

Flame away and Shang will take me off his Xmas card list for saying that.

 

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2 minutes ago, paps49 said:

Breeze is equalising.

systems tend to move west to east so the eastern boats now end up in what the western boats had earlier.

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3 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

 

Desperado a "two word" question but a complex answer.

In "three words" for those already on the podium and the outcome of this "tie breaker" leg.

"Effort put in."

Highly subjective I know but the Dong is not top of my list in that regard, particularly having regard to their resources compared to other teams.

Flame away and Shang will take me off his Xmas card list for saying that.

 

I don't know how you concluded that (lack of effort compared the resources) because I saw and heard a very committed, hard working , cohesive, talented, crew. But we shall see and can leave all that got another day. Let's just admire what is going on with these boats right now,

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9 minutes ago, paps49 said:

Breeze is equalising.

Seems like! ... came earlier than I expected .... but the western fleet still has to gybe several times.

With the actual course (ignore the TSS), Mapfre's line cross DF's line around 10 miles north of NAME 22 ..... juuuust enough to make it, if they keep same speed.

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4 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

With who? 

Race experts. But as noted above things seem too have equalized now bet E and W.

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23 minutes ago, Diva39 said:

This race has never been more exciting than right now!

Except for that whole 2 min victory in Wellington, or the overtake into Cape Town, Or... well it is actually pretty exciting, never mind Lolz

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Just down to the timing. DF nearly had it there for a moment. 

This is still an astounding race.  There is an F1 race in France shortly. There is no way it will be as exciting.

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5 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

I don't know how you concluded that (lack of effort compared the resources) because I saw and heard a very committed, hard working , cohesive, talented, crew. 

I didn't say or imply lack of effort. Your words and your words only. My three words to your two word question were; effort put in, nothing more nothing less.

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

I didn't say or imply lack of effort. Your words and your words only.

Ok: "effort put in". 

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Intense finish.! Still surprised Brunel didn't cover Mapfre. Dongfeng surely not? :o

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1 minute ago, despacio avenue said:

Wonder where DF would be now in relation to the W boats if DF had gone W? 

Navigated boatspeed away. 

If I were writing the summary for each boat. DF's would be not trusting the crew to out sail everyone elsw. 

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Just now, despacio avenue said:

Wonder where DF would be now in relation to the W boats if DF had gone W? 

Well, they led after the Norway mark, then slowly dropped behind, to the point where their only chance was the inshore option. Conditions really didn’t change much for the outsiders,

so, I’d guess they’d be with  VS11 now.

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1 minute ago, Miffy said:

Navigated boatspeed away. 

If I were writing the summary for each boat. DF's would be not trusting the crew to out sail everyone elsw. 

Can't finish.

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4 minutes ago, Francis Vaughan said:

There is an F1 race in France shortly. There is no way it will be as exciting.

Never mind that foot ball thing some people talk about....

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Red boats one two at the finish. Don't think the Bananas can do it.

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And now they're gybing back again to cross ahead of Brunel.

Edit: But Brunel gybe away to deny them that opportunity

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2 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Navigated boatspeed away. 

If I were writing the summary for each boat. DF's would be not trusting the crew to out sail everyone elsw. 

What do you mean by "navigated the boat speed away"?

As to your hypo summary, I tend to agree, except  you don't mean all the boats, just Brunel and Mapre?

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7 minutes ago, Hwyl said:

Here's the tidal currents

So just on 2 knots running with DF. About matches their speed advantage. Looks like just not quite enough. So so so close.

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7 minutes ago, mdeh said:

Looks like that delay by TB to gybe earlier has just payed off?

Not really - Mapfre just gybed in front of Akzo, who still seems to lead Brunel.

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4 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

Wonder where DF would be now in relation to the W boats if DF had gone W? 

Behind Mapfre and where they have been at most of the leg trigger points and at the time the split happened. Charles went for the dice thinking Xabi was going with him. Xabi bailed right. We will know who was right pretty soon.

 

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3 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

What do you mean by "navigated the boat speed away"?

As to your hypo summary, I tend to agree, except  you don't mean all the boats, just Brunel and Mapre?

 

I think the leg into Cape Town, Melbourne, and this one - nav makes call to go divergent option. I don't remember if DF still has any speed advantage compared to MAPFRE, but it isn't using the boat speed adv. 

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Brunel and Mapfre just gybed (Mapfre once again) - the match race is on!

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Brutal gbbefest fest again. Gob smacked at the depths of endurance being shown once again, just for a few degrees advantage. 

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I'm not convinced Charles went left b c he thought Xabi would or that Xabi deliberately faked Charles out. Blair Tuke sure sounded convincingly bummed. We may never know. 

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sadly, brunel should have gybed right at the end of the earlier TSS, now they have given mapfre a chance to get in front,

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2 minutes ago, mdeh said:

Just curious? Do the Western group know where the Easterners are now?

They will in about 30 mins

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1 minute ago, mdeh said:

Just curious? Do the Western group know where the Easterners are now?

they will know @ 1pm  and had the position @ 7am

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The trackers are struggling under the load, please don't crap out now.

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4 minutes ago, Admirals said:

Brunel and Mapfre feel they have Dongfeng in the bag and need more practice....... they better be right.

All three boats have terrible VMG, could these 3 match racing each other give DF the opportunity they need. 

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1 hour ago, random said:

Yeah of course, no satellites anymore are there.  They disappear into the fucking twilight zone?

Great to hear they GPS enabled your wheels.

Any chance you can get them to pick up your drool instead of depositing it here??

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1 minute ago, BozoC said:

they will know @ 1pm  and had the position @ 7am

Surprice waiting ..... :o

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Mapfre will force Brunel's hand soon nowhere to go and will end up locked behind the Spanish

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3 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Mapfre will force Brunel's hand soon nowhere to go and will end up locked behind the Spanish

AC nav vs AC driver? 

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Mapfre gybes directly in front of Brunel.   Oh no...Brunel held on too long before the first gybe and they are running out of race track now

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20 minutes ago, despacio avenue said:

I'm not convinced Charles went left b c he thought Xabi would or that Xabi deliberately faked Charles out. Blair Tuke sure sounded convincingly bummed. We may never know

Not sure about that. It was the nav call that determines the entire race outcome. Will be the first thing the 1st Red boat home nav says, who ever it is, when they get dockside. 

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Surprised Volvo haven't gone live with commentary.  Even if the helo is refueling, they can cover/discuss the tracker, satellite feeds from the boats, etc.  Come on guys, this is your moment!

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2 minutes ago, Mambo Kings said:

Mapfre gybes directly in front of Brunel.   Oh no...Brunel held on too long before the first gybe and they are running out of race track now

But Akzo can now gybe to windward of Mapfre, to steal their wind.

...... they didn't! :(

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Well this is it. Drag race in. 

Last time Brunel ground Mapfre down. Not quite the same conditions, but if I were Mapfre, it would not be far from my thoughts.

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1 minute ago, Diva39 said:

But Akzo can now gybe to windward of Mapfre, to steal their wind.

i dont think akzo can get to mapfre but it looks like they get brunel

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Make that 3:0 for England.

I cannot understand why Brunel were slow to gybe after the initial TSS. Burling won the final race of the AC by gybing inside of Oracle, so he should know better.

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That’s a respectful place to gybe by Akzo.  

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2 minutes ago, TheDragon said:

Burling won the final race of the AC by gybing inside of Oracle, so he should know better.

Now this thread is getting really loopy.

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2 minutes ago, paps49 said:

Put Burling on the helm with a bag of wizz and let him go.

0.6 mile is a lot to make up with only 30 miles to go

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Seems Mapfre can now reach the layline to NAM 22, with no more gybing - but with same speed as DF, they will cross exactly at the same time.

And they dont even know!

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2 minutes ago, TheDragon said:

Make that 3:0 for England.

I cannot understand why Brunel were slow to gybe after the initial TSS. Burling won the final race of the AC by gybing inside of Oracle, so he should know better.

My thoughts exactly, if there was more wind inside, tactics dictate that you guns as soon as you can clear the east end of the tss, and tube back later in more breeze.  It is just a bonus that you are supposed to be lifted as you head east.   But then again I am on my couch with a warm cup of tea and slept last night, and the night before....

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